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Callum Patterson

Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:00 pm

Where does he fit into the team ?

Re: Callum Patterson

Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:15 pm

Vincent Man wrote:Where does he fit into the team ?

Number 10 or reserve striker I’d say.

Re: Callum Patterson

Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:53 pm

Up front with Reid playing of him. Will score 35+ between them if they both stay fit.

Re: Callum Patterson

Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:55 pm

Anywhere he's asked to. And he'll do a job there too. Chuck him goal bet he wouldn't be half bad.

Re: Callum Patterson

Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:38 pm

I struggle to see him as a first choice player to be honest but one of those who can fit in anywhere with little problem.

Re: Callum Patterson

Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:36 pm

2blue2handle wrote:I struggle to see him as a first choice player to be honest but one of those who can fit in anywhere with little problem.

Hthats a fair point. Always handy to have one in the squad.

Re: Callum Patterson

Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:45 pm

Midfield

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:36 am

He’s now a utility player.

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:40 am

I still think he would be a great right back which has been a problem position for sometime. Otherwise as stated above he can do a job anywhere.

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:26 am

It's a shame, at this point in his career he probably needs a run of games in one position. I can't think of any position he would be first choice though.

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:30 am

up front as a target man, heading the ball onto either danny ward or bobby reid.

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:03 am

Can play anywhere (maybe that's a problem for him - but not for us).

I'd have him up front as the one who jumps for everything, makes a nuisance of himself, and knocks on for others to feed off.
Patterson alongside Reid , with Murphy / Mendez. That's an option for us.

We have lots of other options as well. I think Callum is more of a specialist type player now - brought in to do a specific job for part of the match. Which is something he has done very well. A nice problem to have

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:33 am

Ive thought if he could play in one position consistently it maybe as a midfielder or holding player. His problem maybe his positional discipline and he would need a run of games in that position, something that could be tried preseason but I don't think we have the time to be testing it in the championship.

As for upfront, no for me. Yes he works and gets a few flicks here and there but his general hold up play just isn't good enough for that role.

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:45 am

I just can't see him as a starter this season unless he can satisfy Warnock that defensively he's good enmough to play full back.

As others have said, he's just not good enough to play upfront. Not only is his hold up play poor but he hasn't got the pace to stretch the back four meaning that our play becomes very compressed and we struggle to break forward.

It's a shame because he certainly has the knack of scoring and his aerial ability would be much more valuable in the Championship.

So if he is going to play it would be as fullback for me (thats the position we bought him for) or possibly as one of the central 3 midfielders.

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:57 am

I disagree completely .
Everything you say is true, and yet I'd put him in the starting line somewhere as my first choice on the sheet for the simple reason that he's a match winner - one of those players who tends to make the difference on important occasions despite any apparent technical deficiencies , and you can't buy that !

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:42 pm

SirJimmySchoular wrote:I disagree completely .
Everything you say is true, and yet I'd put him in the starting line somewhere as my first choice on the sheet for the simple reason that he's a match winner - one of those players who tends to make the difference on important occasions despite any apparent technical deficiencies , and you can't buy that !


So where would you put him assuming everyone is fit?

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:34 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
SirJimmySchoular wrote:I disagree completely .
Everything you say is true, and yet I'd put him in the starting line somewhere as my first choice on the sheet for the simple reason that he's a match winner - one of those players who tends to make the difference on important occasions despite any apparent technical deficiencies , and you can't buy that !


So where would you put him assuming everyone is fit?


Exactly that’s why barring injuries he’s a utility player for me.
What he definitely is not is a centre forward. He’ll get a few goals and a few headers but it’s plain to see he’s not a striker.
Saying that, I like him and his spirit.

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:58 pm

OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
SirJimmySchoular wrote:I disagree completely .
Everything you say is true, and yet I'd put him in the starting line somewhere as my first choice on the sheet for the simple reason that he's a match winner - one of those players who tends to make the difference on important occasions despite any apparent technical deficiencies , and you can't buy that !


So where would you put him assuming everyone is fit?


Exactly that’s why barring injuries he’s a utility player for me.
What he definitely is not is a centre forward. He’ll get a few goals and a few headers but it’s plain to see he’s not a striker.
Saying that, I like him and his spirit.


Same, I think we may seen him play more away from home.

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:19 pm

OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
SirJimmySchoular wrote:I disagree completely .
Everything you say is true, and yet I'd put him in the starting line somewhere as my first choice on the sheet for the simple reason that he's a match winner - one of those players who tends to make the difference on important occasions despite any apparent technical deficiencies , and you can't buy that !


So where would you put him assuming everyone is fit?


Exactly that’s why barring injuries he’s a utility player for me.
What he definitely is not is a centre forward. He’ll get a few goals and a few headers but it’s plain to see he’s not a striker.
Saying that, I like him and his spirit.


I agree that he is not a striker. Having said that, he has scored more goals than Zohore during the last two seasons. I think we will see Zohore as our number one striker this season, but I would also think that this will be his last opportunity to show that he can score goals, and that his goals over a 4 month period a few years back are not just a flash in the pan.

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:38 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
SirJimmySchoular wrote:I disagree completely .
Everything you say is true, and yet I'd put him in the starting line somewhere as my first choice on the sheet for the simple reason that he's a match winner - one of those players who tends to make the difference on important occasions despite any apparent technical deficiencies , and you can't buy that !


So where would you put him assuming everyone is fit?


Exactly that’s why barring injuries he’s a utility player for me.
What he definitely is not is a centre forward. He’ll get a few goals and a few headers but it’s plain to see he’s not a striker.
Saying that, I like him and his spirit.


I agree that he is not a striker. Having said that, he has scored more goals than Zohore during the last two seasons. I think we will see Zohore as our number one striker this season, but I would also think that this will be his last opportunity to show that he can score goals, and that his goals over a 4 month period a few years back are not just a flash in the pan.


I think that shows we need more from a striker than goals, imo we looked much better with Niasse upfront bringing others into play with no goals than we did with Patterson upfront scoring goals.

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:46 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
SirJimmySchoular wrote:I disagree completely .
Everything you say is true, and yet I'd put him in the starting line somewhere as my first choice on the sheet for the simple reason that he's a match winner - one of those players who tends to make the difference on important occasions despite any apparent technical deficiencies , and you can't buy that !


So where would you put him assuming everyone is fit?



I think probably midfield, but as has been pointed out he can play anywhere. I know what you're saying though - he wouldn't displace anyone on fottballing ability so it'd be a tough call, but he adds something else to the whole team

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:01 pm

SirJimmySchoular wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
SirJimmySchoular wrote:I disagree completely .
Everything you say is true, and yet I'd put him in the starting line somewhere as my first choice on the sheet for the simple reason that he's a match winner - one of those players who tends to make the difference on important occasions despite any apparent technical deficiencies , and you can't buy that !


So where would you put him assuming everyone is fit?



I think probably midfield, but as has been pointed out he can play anywhere. I know what you're saying though - he wouldn't displace anyone on fottballing ability so it'd be a tough call, but he adds something else to the whole team


He rarely let's anyone down that's for sure.

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:49 pm

He is not a full back, I watched him play right back for Scotland at Albania and he was twisted and turned inside and out. Within the first 10 minutes, he got booked and he didn't have the defensive positioning or agility to be able to twist from one way to the other to deal with their tricky winger jinking inside and out. I was amazed he managed to stay on the pitch, especially after pole axing their keeper when attacking a corner! I love him, but he simply can't defend!

Finding his position is a tricky one. He can't defend, he isn't technically good enough to play midfield, he doesn't have the pace or dribbling ability to play on the wing and he struggles to hold the ball up as a striker. He's much better attacking the box from deep, so I don't see him being able to play any other position apart from a second striker, winning the flick ons and using his energy and determination to put defenders under pressure and create openings. I think for us at the level we are playing at, Paterson will always be an impact player to throw on against tiring defenders when we need a goal. I've never seen a player like him. He will have a go in any position and give his all, I love him and he will probably score some more goals and win us lots more points again this season.

However, I just can't see Callum Paterson being anything more than an effective, versatile player for a Neil Warnock Championship team. Obviously, he will be crucial for us this season, he's suited to our style of getting the ball into the final third quickly, getting balls into the box, fighting, scraping, outworking the opponents, picking up the second balls, winning challenges, leaving everything on the pitch. He lifts the team, his attitude is infectious, he's a fans favourite because we all know however well or however badly he plays, he will never give less than 100%.

But sadly, as a footballer, he is limited. I think Paterson has learnt to use his attributes to his very best to achieve what he has for us so far. There will be a time when Paterson is playing for a different manager who won't play him to his strengths, and then I fear his limitations will get drastically exposed. But right now, Paterson's strengths strongly suit the style of a Neil Warnock team. I'm sure wherever he's asked to play, he will have another good season with us and significantly contribute.

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:55 pm

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:He is not a full back, I watched him play right back for Scotland at Albania and he was twisted and turned inside and out. Within the first 10 minutes, he got booked and he didn't have the defensive positioning or agility to be able to twist from one way to the other to deal with their tricky winger jinking inside and out. I was amazed he managed to stay on the pitch, especially after pole axing their keeper when attacking a corner! I love him, but he simply can't defend!

Finding his position is a tricky one. He can't defend, he isn't technically good enough to play midfield, he doesn't have the pace or dribbling ability to play on the wing and he struggles to hold the ball up as a striker. He's much better attacking the box from deep, so I don't see him being able to play any other position apart from a second striker, winning the flick ons and using his energy and determination to put defenders under pressure and create openings. I think for us at the level we are playing at, Paterson will always be an impact player to throw on against tiring defenders when we need a goal. I've never seen a player like him. He will have a go in any position and give his all, I love him and he will probably score some more goals and win us lots more points again this season.

However, I just can't see Callum Paterson being anything more than an effective, versatile player for a Neil Warnock Championship team. Obviously, he will be crucial for us this season, he's suited to our style of getting the ball into the final third quickly, getting balls into the box, fighting, scraping, outworking the opponents, picking up the second balls, winning challenges, leaving everything on the pitch. He lifts the team, his attitude is infectious, he's a fans favourite because we all know however well or however badly he plays, he will never give less than 100%.

But sadly, as a footballer, he is limited. I think Paterson has learnt to use his attributes to his very best to achieve what he has for us so far. There will be a time when Paterson is playing for a different manager who won't play him to his strengths, and then I fear his limitations will get drastically exposed. But right now, Paterson's strengths strongly suit the style of a Neil Warnock team. I'm sure wherever he's asked to play, he will have another good season with us and significantly contribute.


Agree about getting turned inside out, he had the same problem last season when he played infront of Peltier a few times.

I think he could do a similar job to Ralls it Gunner in time but I don't think we have the time for him to learn and make the mistakes.

Re: Callum Patterson

Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:17 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
SirJimmySchoular wrote:I disagree completely .
Everything you say is true, and yet I'd put him in the starting line somewhere as my first choice on the sheet for the simple reason that he's a match winner - one of those players who tends to make the difference on important occasions despite any apparent technical deficiencies , and you can't buy that !


So where would you put him assuming everyone is fit?


Exactly that’s why barring injuries he’s a utility player for me.
What he definitely is not is a centre forward. He’ll get a few goals and a few headers but it’s plain to see he’s not a striker.
Saying that, I like him and his spirit.


I agree that he is not a striker. Having said that, he has scored more goals than Zohore during the last two seasons. I think we will see Zohore as our number one striker this season, but I would also think that this will be his last opportunity to show that he can score goals, and that his goals over a 4 month period a few years back are not just a flash in the pan.


I think that shows we need more from a striker than goals, imo we looked much better with Niasse upfront bringing others into play with no goals than we did with Patterson upfront scoring goals.


We need more from strikers than just goals, but ultimately you usually sign strikers to get your team goals. Not going to win games without goals, and last season in the PL only Huddersfield scored less than us. No surprise that the three teams who scored the least amount of goals in the PL last season will be playing in the Championship this season.

Re: Callum Patterson

Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:01 pm

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:He is not a full back, I watched him play right back for Scotland at Albania and he was twisted and turned inside and out. Within the first 10 minutes, he got booked and he didn't have the defensive positioning or agility to be able to twist from one way to the other to deal with their tricky winger jinking inside and out. I was amazed he managed to stay on the pitch, especially after pole axing their keeper when attacking a corner! I love him, but he simply can't defend!

Finding his position is a tricky one. He can't defend, he isn't technically good enough to play midfield, he doesn't have the pace or dribbling ability to play on the wing and he struggles to hold the ball up as a striker. He's much better attacking the box from deep, so I don't see him being able to play any other position apart from a second striker, winning the flick ons and using his energy and determination to put defenders under pressure and create openings. I think for us at the level we are playing at, Paterson will always be an impact player to throw on against tiring defenders when we need a goal. I've never seen a player like him. He will have a go in any position and give his all, I love him and he will probably score some more goals and win us lots more points again this season.

However, I just can't see Callum Paterson being anything more than an effective, versatile player for a Neil Warnock Championship team. Obviously, he will be crucial for us this season, he's suited to our style of getting the ball into the final third quickly, getting balls into the box, fighting, scraping, outworking the opponents, picking up the second balls, winning challenges, leaving everything on the pitch. He lifts the team, his attitude is infectious, he's a fans favourite because we all know however well or however badly he plays, he will never give less than 100%.

But sadly, as a footballer, he is limited. I think Paterson has learnt to use his attributes to his very best to achieve what he has for us so far. There will be a time when Paterson is playing for a different manager who won't play him to his strengths, and then I fear his limitations will get drastically exposed. But right now, Paterson's strengths strongly suit the style of a Neil Warnock team. I'm sure wherever he's asked to play, he will have another good season with us and significantly contribute.



Very well put !
I think you've assessed and described the position regarding Callum perfectly there.