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dogfound wrote:last weeks news and last weeks quotes , only someone has added Aton Villa into it..
Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:57 am
Sven wrote:dogfound wrote:last weeks news and last weeks quotes , only someone has added Aton Villa into it..
Yep!
Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:04 pm
dogfound wrote:Sven wrote:dogfound wrote:last weeks news and last weeks quotes , only someone has added Aton Villa into it..
Yep!
I don't like these type articles where the writer is trying to tie previous comments to a current situation as if they were said in response to the situation and not the general answer given to what looks like a question and answer interview...not sure if people would prefer Delph/ Brendan Rogers type answers which were a pack of lies..
Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:27 pm
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:06 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Liverpool apparently want him now.
I'd say anything less than £15m and we should keep him. Much as his lack of loyalty is quite apparent he won't stop trying because that'd devalue him, so he can put up with it till his contract expires. He didn't mind getting his high wages or being showcased in the premiership by us so now he can best improve his career by playing well for us in the championship .
Anything above that figure , get rid of him and buy a good replacement for a bit less money. We mustn't give him away though because if nothing else he's a financial asset and if you want a goalkeeper who can play in the premiership it'll cost you a lot of money.
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:20 pm
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:21 pm
WelshPatriot wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Liverpool apparently want him now.
I'd say anything less than £15m and we should keep him. Much as his lack of loyalty is quite apparent he won't stop trying because that'd devalue him, so he can put up with it till his contract expires. He didn't mind getting his high wages or being showcased in the premiership by us so now he can best improve his career by playing well for us in the championship .
Anything above that figure , get rid of him and buy a good replacement for a bit less money. We mustn't give him away though because if nothing else he's a financial asset and if you want a goalkeeper who can play in the premiership it'll cost you a lot of money.
What lack.of loyalty has he shown??
Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:18 pm
Bluebird Warrior wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Liverpool apparently want him now.
I'd say anything less than £15m and we should keep him. Much as his lack of loyalty is quite apparent he won't stop trying because that'd devalue him, so he can put up with it till his contract expires. He didn't mind getting his high wages or being showcased in the premiership by us so now he can best improve his career by playing well for us in the championship .
Anything above that figure , get rid of him and buy a good replacement for a bit less money. We mustn't give him away though because if nothing else he's a financial asset and if you want a goalkeeper who can play in the premiership it'll cost you a lot of money.
What lack.of loyalty has he shown??
Was just thinking the same. All he said was he wants to play in the premier league which I assume every player does. If he didn't turn up to training or handed in a transfer request then id say that's a lack of loyalty to the club, fans, and manager but he hasn't.
Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:39 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Liverpool apparently want him now.
I'd say anything less than £15m and we should keep him. Much as his lack of loyalty is quite apparent he won't stop trying because that'd devalue him, so he can put up with it till his contract expires. He didn't mind getting his high wages or being showcased in the premiership by us so now he can best improve his career by playing well for us in the championship .
Anything above that figure , get rid of him and buy a good replacement for a bit less money. We mustn't give him away though because if nothing else he's a financial asset and if you want a goalkeeper who can play in the premiership it'll cost you a lot of money.
Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:14 am
WelshPatriot wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Liverpool apparently want him now.
I'd say anything less than £15m and we should keep him. Much as his lack of loyalty is quite apparent he won't stop trying because that'd devalue him, so he can put up with it till his contract expires. He didn't mind getting his high wages or being showcased in the premiership by us so now he can best improve his career by playing well for us in the championship .
Anything above that figure , get rid of him and buy a good replacement for a bit less money. We mustn't give him away though because if nothing else he's a financial asset and if you want a goalkeeper who can play in the premiership it'll cost you a lot of money.
What lack.of loyalty has he shown??
Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:04 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Liverpool apparently want him now.
I'd say anything less than £15m and we should keep him. Much as his lack of loyalty is quite apparent he won't stop trying because that'd devalue him, so he can put up with it till his contract expires. He didn't mind getting his high wages or being showcased in the premiership by us so now he can best improve his career by playing well for us in the championship .
Anything above that figure , get rid of him and buy a good replacement for a bit less money. We mustn't give him away though because if nothing else he's a financial asset and if you want a goalkeeper who can play in the premiership it'll cost you a lot of money.
What lack.of loyalty has he shown??
Depends on your view of these matters. I'm old fashioned enough to think that a player might show a bit of loyalty to the club and fans who gave him opportunities he didn't get elsewhere.
I'm realistic enough to understand that this is a lesser factor these days than it used to be, but I haven't got to like it.
I'd have expected those who fucked it up on the field but still received the unqualified support of the fans to now rally round and repay that by getting promoted, but in some cases that doesn't seem to be happening .
Again, this seems to be the nature of the modern game so I'm not going too nuts about it, but to be perfectly honest I increasingly wonder what the point is in supporting a club is if it's all just a question of money for players and the clubs with the money just buy a bunch of mercenary players to win every competition .
Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:42 pm
dogfound wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Liverpool apparently want him now.
I'd say anything less than £15m and we should keep him. Much as his lack of loyalty is quite apparent he won't stop trying because that'd devalue him, so he can put up with it till his contract expires. He didn't mind getting his high wages or being showcased in the premiership by us so now he can best improve his career by playing well for us in the championship .
Anything above that figure , get rid of him and buy a good replacement for a bit less money. We mustn't give him away though because if nothing else he's a financial asset and if you want a goalkeeper who can play in the premiership it'll cost you a lot of money.
What lack.of loyalty has he shown??
Depends on your view of these matters. I'm old fashioned enough to think that a player might show a bit of loyalty to the club and fans who gave him opportunities he didn't get elsewhere.
I'm realistic enough to understand that this is a lesser factor these days than it used to be, but I haven't got to like it.
I'd have expected those who fucked it up on the field but still received the unqualified support of the fans to now rally round and repay that by getting promoted, but in some cases that doesn't seem to be happening .
Again, this seems to be the nature of the modern game so I'm not going too nuts about it, but to be perfectly honest I increasingly wonder what the point is in supporting a club is if it's all just a question of money for players and the clubs with the money just buy a bunch of mercenary players to win every competition .
nothing to do with your age or the modern game its how football and most other sports have always been...
I don't get this im an old man and remember things were so different when clearly they were not..
personally I remember Toshack going to Liverpool...it wasn't because the housing was better in Toxteth or for the weather..and anyone that's taken the trouble to look further back will notice we didn't have 11 boys from south east Wales in the 1927 cup winning team either....all that's changed is the amounts of money have got bigger..
Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:53 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:dogfound wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Liverpool apparently want him now.
I'd say anything less than £15m and we should keep him. Much as his lack of loyalty is quite apparent he won't stop trying because that'd devalue him, so he can put up with it till his contract expires. He didn't mind getting his high wages or being showcased in the premiership by us so now he can best improve his career by playing well for us in the championship .
Anything above that figure , get rid of him and buy a good replacement for a bit less money. We mustn't give him away though because if nothing else he's a financial asset and if you want a goalkeeper who can play in the premiership it'll cost you a lot of money.
What lack.of loyalty has he shown??
Depends on your view of these matters. I'm old fashioned enough to think that a player might show a bit of loyalty to the club and fans who gave him opportunities he didn't get elsewhere.
I'm realistic enough to understand that this is a lesser factor these days than it used to be, but I haven't got to like it.
I'd have expected those who fucked it up on the field but still received the unqualified support of the fans to now rally round and repay that by getting promoted, but in some cases that doesn't seem to be happening .
Again, this seems to be the nature of the modern game so I'm not going too nuts about it, but to be perfectly honest I increasingly wonder what the point is in supporting a club is if it's all just a question of money for players and the clubs with the money just buy a bunch of mercenary players to win every competition .
nothing to do with your age or the modern game its how football and most other sports have always been...
I don't get this im an old man and remember things were so different when clearly they were not..
personally I remember Toshack going to Liverpool...it wasn't because the housing was better in Toxteth or for the weather..and anyone that's taken the trouble to look further back will notice we didn't have 11 boys from south east Wales in the 1927 cup winning team either....all that's changed is the amounts of money have got bigger..
Oddly enough I was going to say that I've never quite forgiven Toshack for leaving. I think he probably got a house in the Wirral rather than Toxteth actually, but I don't know.
I disagree with your view, although it's a perfectly rational and accurate one in many ways. I can certainly remember Sir Stanley Matthews refusing moves to glamour clubs for big money though, and Billy Wright saying with Wolves despite offers from Inter Galactica and Fray Bentos etc, so my view isn't entirely eccentric.
No one can really blame a player for cashing in as much as possible upon what is, after all, a short career - especially in these days when kids of 29 are considered over the hill, but at the same time something is lost in that process. If there's no particular commitment to a club beyond the money and career development, why do we support Cardiff City instead of Real Madrid ?
I think the loyalty I speak of - which does sometimes exist - is a thing which we cannot expect , but is a thing we appreciate immensely when it happens. In my view it's worth more than money by a bloody long way but I appreciate that's easy to say in the real world.
Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:08 pm
SirJimmySchoular wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Liverpool apparently want him now.
I'd say anything less than £15m and we should keep him. Much as his lack of loyalty is quite apparent he won't stop trying because that'd devalue him, so he can put up with it till his contract expires. He didn't mind getting his high wages or being showcased in the premiership by us so now he can best improve his career by playing well for us in the championship .
Anything above that figure , get rid of him and buy a good replacement for a bit less money. We mustn't give him away though because if nothing else he's a financial asset and if you want a goalkeeper who can play in the premiership it'll cost you a lot of money.
What lack.of loyalty has he shown??
Depends on your view of these matters. I'm old fashioned enough to think that a player might show a bit of loyalty to the club and fans who gave him opportunities he didn't get elsewhere.
I'm realistic enough to understand that this is a lesser factor these days than it used to be, but I haven't got to like it.
I'd have expected those who fucked it up on the field but still received the unqualified support of the fans to now rally round and repay that by getting promoted, but in some cases that doesn't seem to be happening .
Again, this seems to be the nature of the modern game so I'm not going too nuts about it, but to be perfectly honest I increasingly wonder what the point is in supporting a club is if it's all just a question of money for players and the clubs with the money just buy a bunch of mercenary players to win every competition .
Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:19 pm
dogfound wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:dogfound wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Liverpool apparently want him now.
I'd say anything less than £15m and we should keep him. Much as his lack of loyalty is quite apparent he won't stop trying because that'd devalue him, so he can put up with it till his contract expires. He didn't mind getting his high wages or being showcased in the premiership by us so now he can best improve his career by playing well for us in the championship .
Anything above that figure , get rid of him and buy a good replacement for a bit less money. We mustn't give him away though because if nothing else he's a financial asset and if you want a goalkeeper who can play in the premiership it'll cost you a lot of money.
What lack.of loyalty has he shown??
Depends on your view of these matters. I'm old fashioned enough to think that a player might show a bit of loyalty to the club and fans who gave him opportunities he didn't get elsewhere.
I'm realistic enough to understand that this is a lesser factor these days than it used to be, but I haven't got to like it.
I'd have expected those who fucked it up on the field but still received the unqualified support of the fans to now rally round and repay that by getting promoted, but in some cases that doesn't seem to be happening .
Again, this seems to be the nature of the modern game so I'm not going too nuts about it, but to be perfectly honest I increasingly wonder what the point is in supporting a club is if it's all just a question of money for players and the clubs with the money just buy a bunch of mercenary players to win every competition .
nothing to do with your age or the modern game its how football and most other sports have always been...
I don't get this im an old man and remember things were so different when clearly they were not..
personally I remember Toshack going to Liverpool...it wasn't because the housing was better in Toxteth or for the weather..and anyone that's taken the trouble to look further back will notice we didn't have 11 boys from south east Wales in the 1927 cup winning team either....all that's changed is the amounts of money have got bigger..
Oddly enough I was going to say that I've never quite forgiven Toshack for leaving. I think he probably got a house in the Wirral rather than Toxteth actually, but I don't know.
I disagree with your view, although it's a perfectly rational and accurate one in many ways. I can certainly remember Sir Stanley Matthews refusing moves to glamour clubs for big money though, and Billy Wright saying with Wolves despite offers from Inter Galactica and Fray Bentos etc, so my view isn't entirely eccentric.
No one can really blame a player for cashing in as much as possible upon what is, after all, a short career - especially in these days when kids of 29 are considered over the hill, but at the same time something is lost in that process. If there's no particular commitment to a club beyond the money and career development, why do we support Cardiff City instead of Real Madrid ?
I think the loyalty I speak of - which does sometimes exist - is a thing which we cannot expect , but is a thing we appreciate immensely when it happens. In my view it's worth more than money by a bloody long way but I appreciate that's easy to say in the real world.
loyalty.....will the club be offering stuart o keefe a new contract.....or will he have to find another club..
will the club continue being loyal to our under 23s giving them endless contracts to play at that level until they get fed up ?
how much loyalty was Trollope given.....its two ways....
yes it would be nice to have 11 local loyal boys...but going on what our academy produces we would be watching them in the conference....and during this window we will be signing some players from clubs whose message board equivalents of you will be saying lack loyalty..
Etheridge...…….was given a chance by Walsall , did well and came here...so where does loyalty start and end...at your local club ?..your first pro club ?..or at a given point { where we are at the time } on the ladder