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Mon May 06, 2019 5:35 am
I believe our fight to stay in the Premiership was lost when Tan didn’t invest in a striker in the Summer transfer window, Vincent Tan deliberately didn’t back Warnock in the Summer, where other clubs were showing statements of intent, Cardiff dithered and left it to late, Troy deeney at that time was available and was unhappy at Watford,he was Warnock’s type of player player as well as Rondon at Newcastle , but Tan would not back Warnock with the £30 million or was it Warnock’s bargain basement loan signings and Canny free transfers.
Tan was hoping Warnock could get players here on the cheap on loan, whatever it was, no strikers came, the Summer transfer clock had run out of time,Tan believed that Warnock would keep us up, whatever it took, we were left with no Striker, Warnock using a defender Callum Patterson as a striker, this took the piss for me ! We were back in the promised land, this time I thought we would stay in top flight football for years to come. Fans paying and giving their all of hard earned cash to get to away games, wherever it was, Independently, myself on night matches booking up hotels and train tickets to get to wherever it was, Brighton, Arsenal, Manchester City,and many other away matches on organised coaches, we all put an incredible effort in and we created that backing and atmosphere for our beloved “Cardiff City,”
I was proud we were in the Premier league and was so excited and we sung our hearts out wherever we went, it was very special,and enjoyable. However it seemed we lacked quality and I had the feeling for the first time, we didn’t have the quality
we were blown away by established Premier clubs ,and we showed no fight.We had a Championship side playing World class teams, this was down to lack of preparation, an example would be Wolves and Watford, preparing for the season ahead with quality signings. Cardiff got found out and we struggled on till the January transfer window, then a new name got branded about the club a Nantes FC Argentinian footballer Emilanio Sala,he looked quality at a cost of £30 million, Wow ! I thought finally Tan is backing Warnock, then the awful tragic news hit all Cardiff fans,with Emilano Sala’s plane had crashed into the sea and Emilano couldn’t be found, eventually we had the news that his body had been found, Emilano’s family had suffered so much pain and our brilliant fans felt their pain showing amazing tributes,we cried with them. A terrible time for all involved,
The remainder of the season Cardiff limped on with a loan signing from Everton “Oumar Niasse” his return of goals was slow and scoring one goal, Warnock’s selections were sometimes bizarre, even after a winning a match, he changed the side the next game, this must have been unsettling for the team, it showed no consistency and also are results showed the same, now it felt we were fighting the relegation drop,we won at Brighton and hope came back, but then a defeat at Burnley and another luck lustre and another odd selection by Warnock give us another defeat, now I thought relegation to the Championship was finally inevitable,I arrived at our home match against Crystal Palace, like other City fans who went to Fulham I felt deflated and worn out from our long hard season ,all City fans had been through the ringer, it felt strange at our final home game,I couldn’t get going, I think I felt emotionally drained and extremely let down by the club for not showing ambition at the start of the season.
I like many of other loyal City fans give everything emotionally, home and away, I believe Vincent Tan has not backed our fans and he is not the right owner to reestablish and sustain Cardiff City as a top flight football club.
Mon May 06, 2019 6:33 am
Total bollocks
Sounds like a petulant teenager
Me me me
Tan HAS become one of our best owners ffs
Mon May 06, 2019 6:58 am
Let us down by clearing our debt off and making us a more stable club Jog on mate
Mon May 06, 2019 7:14 am
There has been some shite posted this season. However, I must say you have outdone anything put up this year, congratulations!!!! How you can say Tan hasn't backed the club is beyond rational thinking! He has put us on a stable financial footing and now we are relegated we won't feel the brunt of extortionate wages pulling the club further into the mire. In actual fact, I believe we are in a perfect position (with the acquisition of a couple of midfield generals) to bounce straight back up! You also conveniently failed to mention Fulham in your diatribe of shite - they will be feeling the hurt of their overspending for sure! Tan made a huge mistake when he first took over the club! He's held his hands up and admitted his errors and has put his money where his mouth is. The end to the season is disappointing and I see many reasons for our relegation, including as you mention inconsistent side selection, the failure to bring in a striker at the start of the season, bad refereeing decisions and of course the horrific situation with Sala! None of these can be directly attributed to Tan!
Mon May 06, 2019 7:18 am
Clueless....let’s hope we come back stronger this time, almost free of debt, same strong team as before with bobby Reid, Murphy and Cunningham, who is very good at championship level. Need two midfielders and we are all good
Mon May 06, 2019 7:28 am
Tan has done a superb job investing and clearing the debt that we incurred with the last idiot we had
My opinion is if we can keep the nucleus of this squad together and if Warnock stays he plays the flair players instead of dour football the future is bright.
Mon May 06, 2019 7:28 am
Lol definitely funniest post of the season.
Mon May 06, 2019 8:36 am
Nonsense, he bought Reid and didn't spent all his budget.
Mon May 06, 2019 8:51 am
troobloo3339 wrote:Total bollocks
Sounds like a petulant teenager
Me me me
Tan HAS become one of our best owners ffs
I notice you rarely post these days trooblue but that was well said and spot on
Mon May 06, 2019 9:21 am
troobloo3339 wrote:Total bollocks
Sounds like a petulant teenager
Me me me
Tan HAS become one of our best owners ffs
Agree with troobloo. This has to be in the running for most stupid post of the year.
Mon May 06, 2019 10:23 am
Juicy boll... with a cough in between.
Mon May 06, 2019 10:28 am
Didn’t NW say at one time, that he had to stop VT offering to spend silly money on certain players, that NW didn’t think were worth the money.
Mon May 06, 2019 10:52 am
noisycat wrote:Didn’t NW say at one time, that he had to stop VT offering to spend silly money on certain players, that NW didn’t think were worth the money.
yes he did , its down to warnock lack of ability to find a striker last summer
Mon May 06, 2019 12:12 pm
Clubfortyfourer wrote:I believe our fight to stay in the Premiership was lost when Tan didn’t invest in a striker in the Summer transfer window, Vincent Tan deliberately didn’t back Warnock in the Summer, where other clubs were showing statements of intent, Cardiff dithered and left it to late, Troy deeney at that time was available and was unhappy at Watford,he was Warnock’s type of player player as well as Rondon at Newcastle , but Tan would not back Warnock with the £30 million or was it Warnock’s bargain basement loan signings and Canny free transfers.
Tan was hoping Warnock could get players here on the cheap on loan, whatever it was, no strikers came, the Summer transfer clock had run out of time,Tan believed that Warnock would keep us up, whatever it took, we were left with no Striker, Warnock using a defender Callum Patterson as a striker, this took the piss for me ! We were back in the promised land, this time I thought we would stay in top flight football for years to come. Fans paying and giving their all of hard earned cash to get to away games, wherever it was, Independently, myself on night matches booking up hotels and train tickets to get to wherever it was, Brighton, Arsenal, Manchester City,and many other away matches on organised coaches, we all put an incredible effort in and we created that backing and atmosphere for our beloved “Cardiff City,”
I was proud we were in the Premier league and was so excited and we sung our hearts out wherever we went, it was very special,and enjoyable. However it seemed we lacked quality and I had the feeling for the first time, we didn’t have the quality
we were blown away by established Premier clubs ,and we showed no fight.We had a Championship side playing World class teams, this was down to lack of preparation, an example would be Wolves and Watford, preparing for the season ahead with quality signings. Cardiff got found out and we struggled on till the January transfer window, then a new name got branded about the club a Nantes FC Argentinian footballer Emilanio Sala,he looked quality at a cost of £30 million, Wow ! I thought finally Tan is backing Warnock, then the awful tragic news hit all Cardiff fans,with Emilano Sala’s plane had crashed into the sea and Emilano couldn’t be found, eventually we had the news that his body had been found, Emilano’s family had suffered so much pain and our brilliant fans felt their pain showing amazing tributes,we cried with them. A terrible time for all involved,
The remainder of the season Cardiff limped on with a loan signing from Everton “Oumar Niasse” his return of goals was slow and scoring one goal, Warnock’s selections were sometimes bizarre, even after a winning a match, he changed the side the next game, this must have been unsettling for the team, it showed no consistency and also are results showed the same, now it felt we were fighting the relegation drop,we won at Brighton and hope came back, but then a defeat at Burnley and another luck lustre and another odd selection by Warnock give us another defeat, now I thought relegation to the Championship was finally inevitable,I arrived at our home match against Crystal Palace, like other City fans who went to Fulham I felt deflated and worn out from our long hard season ,all City fans had been through the ringer, it felt strange at our final home game,I couldn’t get going, I think I felt emotionally drained and extremely let down by the club for not showing ambition at the start of the season.
I like many of other loyal City fans give everything emotionally, home and away, I believe Vincent Tan has not backed our fans and he is not the right owner to reestablish and sustain Cardiff City as a top flight football club.
you said you were not renewing...pouting..
the only question here is are you polythene ,acrylic or PVC.
Mon May 06, 2019 12:22 pm
Try to get your facts right before spouting utter bollocks.
£30m for Sala?
And if Niasse scored a goal I must have been asleep when it happened.
Mon May 06, 2019 12:42 pm
Perhaps he means the total cost for ES was £30 including wages etc.
Mon May 06, 2019 1:49 pm
That should be £30 million, not 30 quid.
Mon May 06, 2019 3:20 pm
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:troobloo3339 wrote:Total bollocks
Sounds like a petulant teenager
Me me me
Tan HAS become one of our best owners ffs
I notice you rarely post these days trooblue but that was well said and spot on

Not enough good posters on here anymore
I still have a look
But cant be arsed to post much anymore
Stickies are same old same old
And lots of repeated topics on too many threads
Mon May 06, 2019 3:23 pm
If anyone has let down the fans it’s Warnock and his recruitment team? Tan has given him over 70m in his time and his money buys have been substandard or he hasn’t played them ? Tomlin, Madine, Smithies, Cunningham, Murphy,Reid,Ward, Bacuna, Bogle and of course Sala? He is much better in the free transfer and loans department so I’d only give him the money he makes selling players?
Mon May 06, 2019 7:21 pm
Nothing to do with Tan and I have zero respect for the bloke
Mon May 06, 2019 7:51 pm
Utter bullshit. Tan, dalman and choo are improving next season on season learning their trade, tan has been low key this season which Iv been pleased with, as compared to other seasons when the focus has been on him, the focus is now on the team and NW, we will improve again next season as a club good times ahead.
Mon May 06, 2019 9:56 pm
Yes I did mean £ £30 million)
Usual deluded suspects who think their Super-fans,The point I was making is that Cardiff city were too slow to sign anyone in the Summer transfer window , so why didn’t Tan buy Troy Deeney when he was available ? Tan owns the purse strings not Warnock ?
Mon May 06, 2019 10:03 pm
Clubfortyfourer wrote:Yes I did mean £ £30 million)
Usual deluded suspects who think their Super-fans,The point I was making is that Cardiff city were too slow to sign anyone in the Summer transfer window , so why didn’t Tan buy Troy Deeney when he was available ? Tan owns the purse strings not Warnock ?
Because troy deany said he was not going anywhere! Think that may be season he didn't go anywhere plus you don't simply say we want to sighn you so pop into your car and sighn on dotted line can think of several other reasons why he didn't go anywhere and to us in particular
Mon May 06, 2019 10:13 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Clubfortyfourer wrote:Yes I did mean £ £30 million)
Usual deluded suspects who think their Super-fans,The point I was making is that Cardiff city were too slow to sign anyone in the Summer transfer window , so why didn’t Tan buy Troy Deeney when he was available ? Tan owns the purse strings not Warnock ?
Because troy deany said he was not going anywhere! Think that may be season he didn't go anywhere plus you don't simply say we want to sighn you so pop into your car and sighn on dotted line can think of several other reasons why he didn't go anywhere and to us in particular

Got to laugh at these people who say sign a particulat player or bring in some new manager. Does'nt seem to cross their minds that not every player and manager is desperate to come to Cardiff City.
Mon May 06, 2019 10:20 pm
After the Malky / Moody fiasco there's a reason Dalman and Choo are where they are; but we look like rank amateurs in conducting transfers, and having the McKay sons' on the payroll while flying over our record signing on best mates' budget airways does not suggest improvement.
We could use a director of football; someone with real knowledge of the game, to give us better long term direction in football recruitment. This would help with bringing in players at youth level who might actually one day be in with a shout of breaking into the first team on a regular basis.
Vincent Tan has on the whole been a slow learner, but has always tried to advance the club.
Mon May 06, 2019 11:30 pm
Clubfortyfourer wrote:Yes I did mean £ £30 million)
Usual deluded suspects who think their Super-fans,The point I was making is that Cardiff city were too slow to sign anyone in the Summer transfer window , so why didn’t Tan buy Troy Deeney when he was available ? Tan owns the purse strings not Warnock ?
why ?
because Watford were not that keen in selling him.
wanted at least 15 mill should they sell him
has 2 years of a 100k a week contract left which we would at least have to equal.
and that's before whether or not he was prepared to move after 9 years living in the London area.
it really isn't the 2nd hand car section of ebay.
Mon May 06, 2019 11:54 pm
BAMBA CREW wrote:Nothing to do with Tan and I have zero respect for the bloke
Zero respect for the man, who has singlehandedly kept this club afloat financially

Is it a red thing? Not being funny,just curious

I just wondered when the division amongst fans will heal regards VT,or if for some the wound will stay infected,as long as he is in charge? I had my doubts when he did the colour change,but he has put that right,we ,well I,have enjoyed our flirt with the prem,in our blue,as I said I would at the start of the season,and tan has ,for me at least,gone a long way to build bridges.
Tue May 07, 2019 12:09 am
Steve Zodiak wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Clubfortyfourer wrote:Yes I did mean £ £30 million)
Usual deluded suspects who think their Super-fans,The point I was making is that Cardiff city were too slow to sign anyone in the Summer transfer window , so why didn’t Tan buy Troy Deeney when he was available ? Tan owns the purse strings not Warnock ?
Because troy deany said he was not going anywhere! Think that may be season he didn't go anywhere plus you don't simply say we want to sighn you so pop into your car and sighn on dotted line can think of several other reasons why he didn't go anywhere and to us in particular

Got to laugh at these people who say sign a particulat player or bring in some new manager. Does'nt seem to cross their minds that not every player and manager is desperate to come to Cardiff City.
Exactly Steve! We get linked to every available player with bids in for them all? Only trouble is can only have so many players in a squad so unfortunately we reject them all!
Tue May 07, 2019 5:51 am
bluesince62 wrote:BAMBA CREW wrote:Nothing to do with Tan and I have zero respect for the bloke
Zero respect for the man, who has singlehandedly kept this club afloat financially

Is it a red thing? Not being funny,just curious

I just wondered when the division amongst fans will heal regards VT,or if for some the wound will stay infected,as long as he is in charge? I had my doubts when he did the colour change,but he has put that right,we ,well I,have enjoyed our flirt with the prem,in our blue,as I said I would at the start of the season,and tan has ,for me at least,gone a long way to build bridges.

100% a rebrand thing. Maybe zero respect is a stretch, at least he eventually listened to reason. 5% respect for that, 0% for the fan advisors that told him to crack on with it. That's more like it.
Tue May 07, 2019 8:27 am
BAMBA CREW wrote:bluesince62 wrote:BAMBA CREW wrote:Nothing to do with Tan and I have zero respect for the bloke
Zero respect for the man, who has singlehandedly kept this club afloat financially

Is it a red thing? Not being funny,just curious

I just wondered when the division amongst fans will heal regards VT,or if for some the wound will stay infected,as long as he is in charge? I had my doubts when he did the colour change,but he has put that right,we ,well I,have enjoyed our flirt with the prem,in our blue,as I said I would at the start of the season,and tan has ,for me at least,gone a long way to build bridges.

100% a rebrand thing. Maybe zero respect is a stretch, at least he eventually listened to reason. 5% respect for that, 0% for the fan advisors that told him to crack on with it. That's more like it.
I was told many times he was advised NOT to go ahead with the rebrand.
I well believe that because during that horrid time most of the management at the club showed an uncomfortable face to it all. Only him and Steve Borley showed any signs of loving the red. One or two fans went along with it for their own enjoyment but their opinions don't matter now as they don't follow the club anymore.
Anyway back to the OP and has Tan let us down? I also have no respect for the guy but I'm finding it difficult to blame him for our relegation. Only question I have is could he have funded that striker we needed? The money I heard that was available was simple not enough to bring in that player. Was it Tan putting that limitation on it or was he advised he had offered enough? Guess we will never know.
One thing I will conclude is I believe he is not the guy to take us further. His CV of 2 promotions 2 immediate relegations shows that. Do i blame him for it all? Not really if his first experience of the Premier is anything to go by. However you look at it I just don't think he is the guy to take that risk and dig into his pockets to ensure we survive in the Premier if ever we get back there.
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