How can a club like Burnley be more successful than us?

It's so annoying.

They average 20k gates, sign Championship players such as Ashley Barnes, yet have comfortably survived another season in the Prem.

What have they got that we haven't?

We work just as hard, fight for every ball, have a similar manager.

What's gone wrong?

It's so annoying.

They average 20k gates, sign Championship players such as Ashley Barnes, yet have comfortably survived another season in the Prem.

What have they got that we haven't?

We work just as hard, fight for every ball, have a similar manager.

What's gone wrong?

They came back down and up again

We needed few more players and we would of stayed up

Not much between us

Famous old club, founding Lge members and twice Lge Champions..

They have better players, twice proven against us this season. Ditto Bournemouth and Watford.

It's so annoying.

They average 20k gates, sign Championship players such as Ashley Barnes, yet have comfortably survived another season in the Prem.

What have they got that we haven't?

We work just as hard, fight for every ball, have a similar manager.

What's gone wrong?

Are you suggesting we have signed Premier League quality players?

OURS is a Championship side!

It's so annoying.

They average 20k gates, sign Championship players such as Ashley Barnes, yet have comfortably survived another season in the Prem.

What have they got that we haven't?

We work just as hard, fight for every ball, have a similar manager.

What's gone wrong?

Are you suggesting we have signed Premier League quality players?

OURS is a Championship side!

If you look through Burnley's squad they signed all their players from the Championship as well.

And Huddersfield managed to survive last season as well.

Have we been relegated???

I can see his point. They were at the cusp of European football and are beating sides in the top six on a regular basis despite a slightly poorer run this season...and without any real shining stars or household names. This combined with a drab stadium and area gives it a feel of they surely cannot be better than us!!!

Having said that I truly believe with our transfer and wage structure in place and a more modern stadium than most with an option to increase to 60000 in the future that we are on the edge of something truly special happening with ccfc over the next decade. We are on the right path despite what may or may not happen at the close of this season

Famous old club, founding Lge members and twice Lge Champions..

They have better players, twice proven against us this season. Ditto Bournemouth and Watford.

If they hadn’t dropped Hart when they did I think they would have gone down. Ironically, an old keeper of ours in outstanding form saved them......

It's so annoying.

They average 20k gates, sign Championship players such as Ashley Barnes, yet have comfortably survived another season in the Prem.

What have they got that we haven't?

We work just as hard, fight for every ball, have a similar manager.

What's gone wrong?

I get the frustration but they have been outspending us for a few years now...and its how football is sometimes ,how many clubs could have said the same about ourselves last season ?

We were an average championship side when we got promoted. Sean Dyche good manager.

Comfortable Only with 4 games left bit luck we could have been with 2 games keft hardly big gap between us.... they've also got a very good manager who plays to teams strengths

Comfortable Only with 4 games left bit luck we could have been with 2 games keft hardly big gap between us.... they've also got a very good manager who plays to teams strengths

hmmm
well they tried doing it differently 1st half of the season..

Comfortable Only with 4 games left bit luck we could have been with 2 games keft hardly big gap between us.... they've also got a very good manager who plays to teams strengths

Totally agree with Pemroke allen Plus the quality in the premiership is much better now than it was when Burnley and Bournemouth were first promoted.... Both Burnley and Bournemouth have struggled at somepoint this season though with Burnley, they have played to their strengths and the majority of their players have premiership experience, whereas ours do not... We are much bigger club than Burnley, Bournemouth, Watford, Palace and Southampton, our support shows this, though we have to be honest in that as a club, we are not in a position to get to the levels of mid table without decent investment in quality players.... If we stay up then all behind the scenes must get in some quality personel to comete at this level... If we go down then hopefully Warnock will stay and we will show the peg sellers, yet again, there is only 1 team in Wales

Comfortable Only with 4 games left bit luck we could have been with 2 games keft hardly big gap between us.... they've also got a very good manager who plays to teams strengths

Totally agree with Pemroke allen Plus the quality in the premiership is much better now than it was when Burnley and Bournemouth were first promoted.... Both Burnley and Bournemouth have struggled at somepoint this season though with Burnley, they have played to their strengths and the majority of their players have premiership experience, whereas ours do not... We are much bigger club than Burnley, Bournemouth, Watford, Palace and Southampton, our support shows this, though we have to be honest in that as a club, we are not in a position to get to the levels of mid table without decent investment in quality players.... If we stay up then all behind the scenes must get in some quality personel to comete at this level... If we go down then hopefully Warnock will stay and we will show the peg sellers, yet again, there is only 1 team in Wales

It's so annoying.

They average 20k gates, sign Championship players such as Ashley Barnes, yet have comfortably survived another season in the Prem.

What have they got that we haven't?

We work just as hard, fight for every ball, have a similar manager.

What's gone wrong?

Not Welsh?

Don't have Warnock as a manager?

Get treated fairer by the referees because of the above?

We had three penalty decisions turned down the last time we played them FFS, we weren't given a fair chance !!!

Comfortable Only with 4 games left bit luck we could have been with 2 games keft hardly big gap between us.... they've also got a very good manager who plays to teams strengths

hmmm
well they tried doing it differently 1st half of the season..

Yes your right but unlike our manager he changed it because he saw mistake ? and now have better record over 15 games than most in league!

It's so annoying.

They average 20k gates, sign Championship players such as Ashley Barnes, yet have comfortably survived another season in the Prem.

What have they got that we haven't?

We work just as hard, fight for every ball, have a similar manager.

What's gone wrong?

Are you suggesting we have signed Premier League quality players?

OURS is a Championship side!

Actually, for the next 10 days at least, ours is a Premier League side

Comfortable Only with 4 games left bit luck we could have been with 2 games keft hardly big gap between us.... they've also got a very good manager who plays to teams strengths

hmmm
well they tried doing it differently 1st half of the season..

Yes your right but unlike our manager he changed it because he saw mistake ? and now have better record over 15 games than most in league!

you do realise that the 1st half i reffered too that they were trying to pass it around thinking they were better than what they are..and then reverted to something pretty similar to ourselves ?

so we should go the other way perhaps ...

Its a stupid question. You could just as easily question why a club like Spurs can be more successful than one like Newcastle or how can a club like Bournemouth be more succsessful than a club like Leeds?

Its a stupid question. You could just as easily question why a club like Spurs can be more successful than one like Newcastle or how can a club like Bournemouth be more succsessful than a club like Leeds?

your correct but its something I used to think frequently watching the likes of Wimbledon, notts county . luton, Oldham etc etc reach the top flight while we always seemed to be one decent year followed by 4 or 5 crap years..

Burnley ain't no flash in the pan they've had 56 seasons in the top flight.

Comfortable Only with 4 games left bit luck we could have been with 2 games keft hardly big gap between us.... they've also got a very good manager who plays to teams strengths

hmmm
well they tried doing it differently 1st half of the season..

Yes your right but unlike our manager he changed it because he saw mistake ? and now have better record over 15 games than most in league!

you do realise that the 1st half i reffered too that they were trying to pass it around thinking they were better than what they are..and then reverted to something pretty similar to ourselves ?

so we should go the other way perhaps ...

it doesnt matter how they played or what they went back to the fact is dyche changed way team was playing because it wasn't working? Yes nw as done miracles to get us this far but guess you are satisfied way we've played especially Saturday? Because we've played same way all season and looks like be relegated.... if dyche hadn't changed probably they would be relegated and yes maybe playing with more flair could got us results we Will never know because didnt try it did we?

This is their line up for the Man city game. Who of our stating line up would get in their team, probably Arter at a push. I can't see Camarasa being tough enough for Dyche.


1Heaton
2Lowton
5Tarkowski
6Mee
3Taylor
13Hendrick
18Westwood
4Cork
31McNeil
10Barnes
11Wood

Probably Bruno, but we had him bizarrely at No 3 CB for most of the season

As a previous poster commented, they were relegated with Dyche in charge at the first attempt in 2014/2015 with 33 points, 5 from safety.

Faith was kept in Dyche and he took them straight back up where I believe the difference has been 'Premier League Experience' for the manager and players. They now know how to get results in this league.

This could happen to us if we keep faith in NW and go back up next season or even if we go back up quickly with another manager.

I really do think that many on here have a distorted, somewhat bias view of our club's standing. As mentioned earlier, just look at how many seasons Burnley have spent in the top flight compared to us. Yes the potential is there but that doesn't make us a bigger club. And look at recruitment for instance. Southampton have a fantastic record of developing young players. Cardiff City bigger than them ? No way !

Ive often wondered the same, look at Bournemouth - a tiny ground, a small catchment area. I guess players can commute from London.

We are a capital city , 360k in the city plus 1 million in the surrounding area. Large new stadium, great facilities, have had near capacity crowds this season and last .

So it's just down to spending a little bit more money, we have the manager and coaching staff (what they have done this year is beyond amazing) I think in the first part of the season we seemed a little in awe of the opponent and lacked match nous - as we have seen from various cheats down here over the season.

Burnley, Stoke, Bournemouth etc all small teams that rely on the sky money to compete - take the sky money away - and rely on crowds etc - and they'd be in League 2

I think you can forget the distant past for both. What makes them better in recent and current times needs to look back at both teams last unsuccessful stint in the top flight. They came down as a much more sustainable outfit than we were and they've built on that but we're better this time than last time we were relegated. We were a car crash last time.and if Russell Slade gets any credit it is that he kept us in the championship.

That's all short term and it will come to an end for Burnley as it has for many before them. The longer your there, the more entrenched the costs the harder it is to adjust when the inevitable happens. There's no divine right of any city to premier league football as we've seen with Leeds. Biggest single club city by a country mile and getting on for 20 years since their fall from grace. Generally though the more successful clubs are based in the bigger cities.

Burnley has actually fallen in population in the last 10 years. In the 20 year period that were currently in the middle of Cardiff is predicted to grow a hundred thousand. That growth is bigger than Burnley and in the end it will tell. I've no doubt if your able to look back at the next 20 years in general we will have been more successful.

Ive often wondered the same, look at Bournemouth - a tiny ground, a small catchment area. I guess players can commute from London.

We are a capital city , 360k in the city plus 1 million in the surrounding area. Large new stadium, great facilities, have had near capacity crowds this season and last .

So it's just down to spending a little bit more money, we have the manager and coaching staff (what they have done this year is beyond amazing) I think in the first part of the season we seemed a little in awe of the opponent and lacked match nous - as we have seen from various cheats down here over the season.

Burnley, Stoke, Bournemouth etc all small teams that rely on the sky money to compete - take the sky money away - and rely on crowds etc - and they'd be in League 2

I sort of agree with what your saying but Stoke are a pretty big club and Bournemouth is a big conurbation that just has no history at all of supporting its local football club. Even Burnley get crowds of 20k which is remarkable out of a population 80k. That's like us getting 80k every week just from Cardiff. In this day and age however it will limit their prospects long term.

Ive often wondered the same, look at Bournemouth - a tiny ground, a small catchment area. I guess players can commute from London.

We are a capital city , 360k in the city plus 1 million in the surrounding area. Large new stadium, great facilities, have had near capacity crowds this season and last .

So it's just down to spending a little bit more money, we have the manager and coaching staff (what they have done this year is beyond amazing) I think in the first part of the season we seemed a little in awe of the opponent and lacked match nous - as we have seen from various cheats down here over the season.

Burnley, Stoke, Bournemouth etc all small teams that rely on the sky money to compete - take the sky money away - and rely on crowds etc - and they'd be in League 2

I sort of agree with what your saying but Stoke are a pretty big club and Bournemouth is a big conurbation that just has no history at all of supporting its local football club. Even Burnley get crowds of 20k which is remarkable out of a population 80k. That's like us getting 80k every week just from Cardiff. In this day and age however it will limit their prospects long term.

They were dire up to December but changed it...that’s the difference. They decided to actually get at sides and tightened up at the back.

We have conceded some pretty pathetic goals, couldn’t score from set piece and stopped attacking.... 3 cardinal sins that would have saved us otherwise