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What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:56 pm

What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?


By Tom Coleman


It's the question that's on the lips of nearly every Cardiff fan.

The former Bristol City star came on for the last three minutes of Saturday's defeat. For a match of this magnitude, that simply wasn't enough game time for a player the Bluebirds paid £10m for.

Hopes were high that Reid could make the step up to the Premier League when he signed in the summer, but he's not made an impression great enough to truly justify his price tag - although, in fairness, he's not really been given an adequate opportunity to show us what he can do.

That was demonstrated against Fulham when first Warnock didn't pick him, then chose Ward and Rhys Healey ahead of him as the first two substitution picks.

Decisions that raised eyebrows amongst a lot of Bluebirds fans, some of whom feel Reid is being given a raw deal.

Having previously made 14 starts this season, Reid hasn't been in a Cardiff City starting line-up since the defeat away to Wolves back in March, and there's a strange reluctance from Warnock to throw him in when it matters most.

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:57 pm

Bobby Reid averages a goal or assist every 207 minutes this season.

No Cardiff player has a better goal contribution to minute ratio.

Bobby Reid: 207mins
Victor Camarasa: 285mins
Callum Paterson: 399mins

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:59 pm

The barely-seen Cardiff City partnership that must be picked to give Bluebirds a shot at Premier League survival -


Tuesday 30th April 2019



Cardiff City have reached win or bust point.

Nothing short of two victories from their final games against Crystal Palace and Manchester United will do if they are to have any hope of preserving their Premier League status.

Even then it's dependent upon Brighton dropping points, but Cardiff can only deal with what's in their own control.

Desperate times require desperate measures. That means a change of mindset from Neil Warnock following the ultra cautious approach against Fulham which culminated in a demoralising 1-0 loss against a team who were there to be taken apart.

Bluebirds fans would rather see their team fall 4-2 by giving it a right old go in these last two matches than meekly succumb as they did at Craven Cottage, having only chosen to throw bodies forward in the closing minutes when they were already a goal behind.

Too little when the game had already gone, that sort of thing.

Ultimately, Cardiff need goals from somewhere. They have been scoreless in four of their last five matches - Brighton being the notable exception - and the time has probably come for Warnock to gamble.

I'm not sure pairing your two most talented strikers together actually constitutes a gamble. But in terms of out and out ability, Kenneth Zohore and Bobby Reid are a level above the other front-runners on Cardiff's books.


That being the case, surely those two need to be thrown in from here on in, told they are playing pretty much for the 90 minutes in each of these remaining fixtures and let loose on the Palace and Man Utd back fours.

It may not work. There is not a jot of evidence to suggest it will. But are the alternatives of Oumar Niasse, Danny Ward and Rhys Healey genuinely better options than the potential Zohore and Reid bring to the party?

That's the point. We know Niasse works hard, that Ward did as well as could be expected during a brief cameo at Fulham.

But given the stakes, and the near impossible situation Cardiff find themselves in, this is about picking your best players, not who's trained hardest or might run furthest over 90 minutes.

Zohore and Reid have talent in abundance. We've seen it in Bluebirds colours, albeit far too sporadically. And that gives us a thirst for more.

Bringing out that undoubted ability and goal threat in key relegation deciders represents the best hope Cardiff have of scoring goals and staying up, in my opinion.

When you consider it was only a couple of years ago that Zohore was the subject of a £20m bid, and Reid was brought on board for £10m just 12 months afterwards, it's actually eye-opening they have barely been paired together this season.

Yet look back at the stats and you'll find they have only been in the same starting line-up twice.

Once was against Everton, when Cardiff crashed 0-3 at home. The other was at Wolves, when a lopsided Bluebirds XI lacking any width conceded two goals early on and it was game over.


But even on those occasions they weren't really a proper two up front, because Warnock hasn't gone in for that approach.

Being the wily old managerial fox that he is, Warnock has quite rightly set up Cardiff to be hard to beat this season as he has attempted to mitigate against the superior quality of the opposition.

That has been totally understandable for the most part.

More often than not Cardiff have lined up in a fluid 4-2-3-1 formation, with the wide men working their socks off to track back and help out the overstretched defence.

The game plan, particularly away from home, has been to try to keep it at 0-0 until half-time, carry that on, then win the game in the closing quarter if the opportunity arises.

Whilst limited and doubtless infuriating for some Cardiff fans, these pragmatic tactics have been necessary to keep the Bluebirds in the hunt when most pundits expected them to have faltered by this stage.

The problem, of course, has been the Bluebirds being forced to chase a game when they go behind. Hence the frenzied finale to the Fulham match when Cardiff suddenly looked so dangerous you wondered why they hadn't gone for the jugular from the off.

But Fulham has gone and the dynamic has changed again. Because the remaining matches genuinely are must-win, and not just a cliche, Cardiff do have to alter something.

Given the defence has to stay the same, and Aron Gunnarson, Harry Arter and Victor Camarasa need to be in the midfield, that change needs to be further forward.


Would it really weaken the team to leave out Niasse and Junior Hoilett, and pick Zohore, Reid and Nathaniel Mendez-Laing as a proper front three, backed up by a midfield prepared to play a little further up the field?

Many would think the exact opposite, that it would greatly strengthen it.

Zohore and Reid haven't been given the opportunity yet to click together as a proper pairing, it may be Warnock has seen something in training that he's not entirely comfortable with.

Again, though, we've moved beyond that. This is about putting the eggs in one short-term basket to try to achieve the improbable task of avoiding relegation and picking your best players gives you a better chance of succeeding in that aim.

You look at the different strengths of Zohore and Reid, one full of pace and power, the other more nimble and skillful, and feel it could be the perfect partnership.

Zohore divides Cardiff fans. Some think he is comfortably the best centre-forward option, others contend he doesn't work hard enough and has already had enough chances under Warnock.

But do six Premier League starts really constitute enough opportunities this season?

Reid has had 14 starts and managed four goals to Zohore's one. But, for whatever reason, he hasn't clicked properly yet either. The decision to send on Ward and Healey ahead of the £10m man to try to rescue the Fulham game, with Cardiff's Premier League fate at stake, was a mind-boggling one for many fans.

Reid has played as a lone striker, as a 10 and out wide. What we don't seem to have had too often is him flitting around a main striker, certainly not next to Zohore, dropping grenades together in and around the opposition penalty box with the pace and panache they could bring to Cardiff's front line.

Zohore-Reid was the dream pairing for many Cardiff fans at the start of the season. There may be two last chances for that to yet work, even if deep down you sense the moment has gone.

Mendez-Laing looks the most threatening of the wide men. Those three in tandem up front, backed by Camarasa's probing just behind, could actually be the winning ticket Warnock needs.


There's nothing to be lost here, only everything to gain, because Cardiff are pretty much down anyway. At least give yourselves every opportunity of achieving the great escape by picking your best players, even if everything is still reliant upon Brighton losing to Arsenal and Manchester City.

Tell Zohore and Reid the goal onus, and Cardiff's Premier League fate, is upon them and that they'll be supported by a more adventurous game plan. Give them the chance to thrive upon that responsibility.

They might, just might, deliver. They certainly each have the potential to. And that for me has to be the key thing here. Pick the potential in the hope it comes out when it matters most.

Something needs to change because the Fat Lady has cleared her throat, even if the notes are not yet fully formed.

In 180 minutes of football, what was always meant to be Cardiff's first-choice front pairing, yet rarely has been, might, just might, deliver the most unlikely of Premier League dreams.
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Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:16 pm

Forever Blue wrote:Bobby Reid averages a goal or assist every 207 minutes this season.

No Cardiff player has a better goal contribution to minute ratio.

Bobby Reid: 207mins
Victor Camarasa: 285mins
Callum Paterson: 399mins



Do we score more points when he plays or less ????

Anyone got the points with and points without Reid stats ???

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:51 pm

Yes he's not only one its been a theme all season of subs after 80 mins with no time to make impact but players still get slated on here by fans for doing nothing when coming on? :roll:

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:15 pm

Personally I like him, never a lone striker but always impressed me as a number 10.

When we signed him he didn't come across as a wanrock type player. If in doubt Wanrock goes physical and in the end Reid was never going to get much game time.

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:46 pm

2blue2handle wrote:Personally I like him, never a loan striker but always impressed me as a number 10.

When we signed him he didn't come across as a wanrock type player. If in doubt Wanrock goes physical and in the end Reid was never going to get much game time.




Agree but physical failed time & time again first with Paterson then niasse, some games cried out for different approach like playing Reid / ward ect

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:30 pm

Should have been given more game time,than what he has to date .

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:52 pm

TopCat CCFC wrote:Should have been given more game time,than what he has to date .

If reid and murphy had more game time the goal difference would be worse than what it is now.
We have been overrun in midfield as it is.
Its allright writing columns and posting on social media but thats a fact.
where would you play reid,behind the centre forward.
That takes one out of the 5 man midfield.
I believe both were bought with a return to the championship in mind.
Now I believe reid will be an asset and murphy will be sold.
we have been hit by injuries to arter ralls paterson and bamba
Thats the reason we are going down well not quite yet

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:21 pm

stickywicket wrote:
TopCat CCFC wrote:Should have been given more game time,than what he has to date .

If reid and murphy had more game time the goal difference would be worse than what it is now.
We have been overrun in midfield as it is.
Its allright writing columns and posting on social media but thats a fact.
where would you play reid,behind the centre forward.
That takes one out of the 5 man midfield.
I believe both were bought with a return to the championship in mind.
Now I believe reid will be an asset and murphy will be sold.
we have been hit by injuries to arter ralls paterson and bamba
Thats the reason we are going down well not quite yet



agree, its easy to say he should have been given more game time but where ? along with most i do feel a bit sorry for Bobby, i think he was bought to play a similar but slightly more attacking role to the one victor plays and signing Victor at the el;eventh hour put paid to that..he looks pretty decent in all fairness and its a pity we are so short of quality everywhere else to be able to forfeit one of our more defensive players to include him..but it is what it is..

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:43 pm

stickywicket wrote:
TopCat CCFC wrote:Should have been given more game time,than what he has to date .

If reid and murphy had more game time the goal difference would be worse than what it is now.
We have been overrun in midfield as it is.
Its allright writing columns and posting on social media but thats a fact.
where would you play reid,behind the centre forward.
That takes one out of the 5 man midfield.
I believe both were bought with a return to the championship in mind.
Now I believe reid will be an asset and murphy will be sold.
we have been hit by injuries to arter ralls paterson and bamba
Thats the reason we are going down well not quite yet


If Reid and Murphy were playing we would be scoring more are goal difference is already shit so who cares

Every game we sit back making teams like Fulham look like Brazil passing round the back we never really test the oppositions defence with only 1 upfront then we slag niasse off because he’s not doing anything even though he’s the only one attacking with no support
There’s a reason why warnock has failed so many times in the prem because his tactics do not work

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Wed May 01, 2019 12:06 am

rhblue wrote:
stickywicket wrote:
TopCat CCFC wrote:Should have been given more game time,than what he has to date .

If reid and murphy had more game time the goal difference would be worse than what it is now.
We have been overrun in midfield as it is.
Its allright writing columns and posting on social media but thats a fact.
where would you play reid,behind the centre forward.
That takes one out of the 5 man midfield.
I believe both were bought with a return to the championship in mind.
Now I believe reid will be an asset and murphy will be sold.
we have been hit by injuries to arter ralls paterson and bamba
Thats the reason we are going down well not quite yet


If Reid and Murphy were playing we would be scoring more are goal difference is already shit so who cares

Every game we sit back making teams like Fulham look like Brazil passing round the back we never really test the oppositions defence with only 1 upfront then we slag niasse off because he’s not doing anything even though he’s the only one attacking with no support
There’s a reason why warnock has failed so many times in the prem because his tactics do not work



or maybe the four teams he has managed in the premier league were all favourites to be relegated.?
notts county ffs, i bet there were brazilians and argentinians everywhere hanging by their phones waiting for that phone call.

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Wed May 01, 2019 12:06 am

rhblue wrote:
stickywicket wrote:
TopCat CCFC wrote:Should have been given more game time,than what he has to date .

If reid and murphy had more game time the goal difference would be worse than what it is now.
We have been overrun in midfield as it is.
Its allright writing columns and posting on social media but thats a fact.
where would you play reid,behind the centre forward.
That takes one out of the 5 man midfield.
I believe both were bought with a return to the championship in mind.
Now I believe reid will be an asset and murphy will be sold.
we have been hit by injuries to arter ralls paterson and bamba
Thats the reason we are going down well not quite yet


If Reid and Murphy were playing we would be scoring more are goal difference is already shit so who cares

Every game we sit back making teams like Fulham look like Brazil passing round the back we never really test the oppositions defence with only 1 upfront then we slag niasse off because he’s not doing anything even though he’s the only one attacking with no support
There’s a reason why warnock has failed so many times in the prem because his tactics do not work



or maybe the four teams he has managed in the premier league were all favourites to be relegated.?
notts county ffs, i bet there were brazilians and argentinians everywhere hanging by their phones waiting for that phone call.

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Wed May 01, 2019 8:51 am

Fulham have conceded the most goals in the premier league , we are fighting for survival, it took us 80 mins to get a shot on target , there has been games this season when we haven’t even got a single shot on target , surely there is something wrong .

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Wed May 01, 2019 10:15 am

Vincent Man wrote:Fulham have conceded the most goals in the premier league , we are fighting for survival, it took us 80 mins to get a shot on target , there has been games this season when we haven’t even got a single shot on target , surely there is something wrong .



Fulham are much improved since Scott Parker took charge losing by 2 goals to man city, by 1 goal to Chelsea and Liverpool and have just won 3 on the spin without conceding..
things change...and games change when a goal is scored.

Motivation, when your already doing what you think is your b

Wed May 01, 2019 10:28 am

Some big decisions this week for Neil.

But only he knows what goes on in training and if that is where his decisions are made - then the players need to show they are up for it in training.

Motivation , when you are already doing what you think is your best is hard to maintain. Players need direction, coaching and need to be clear in the way they are talked to - exactly what is expected of them (I think).

They are all fantastic players - to be playing at this level really is as good as it gets, so getting in a positive frame of mind can sometimes be the hardest part of it.

Re: Motivation, when your already doing what you think is yo

Wed May 01, 2019 10:50 am

ReesWestonSuperMare wrote:Some big decisions this week for Neil.

But only he knows what goes on in training and if that is where his decisions are made - then the players need to show they are up for it in training.

Motivation , when you are already doing what you think is your best is hard to maintain. Players need direction, coaching and need to be clear in the way they are talked to - exactly what is expected of them (I think).

They are all fantastic players - to be playing at this level really is as good as it gets, so getting in a positive frame of mind can sometimes be the hardest part of it.


Agree and the decisions this week will be critical for many reasons :thumbup:

I've heard it said that we don't now whether we would have been better or worse off had the likes of Reid and others been given more of a chance; but the simple fact is that no matter how well we have done in terms of somewhat exceeding expectations this season, we are still in the relegation zone and simply have to score goals, if we are to produce the miracle of survival

Personally, I would like to see a bold approach versus Palace with a positive 'give it a go' line-up that could cause problems for the Palace defence and Reid/Zohore partnership from the start may be the best option that sees the Bluebirds hang on in there for a final game decider with an already sold out (away support) ManUre

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Wed May 01, 2019 11:33 am

Ken is not the answer v Palace or anybody else. We need to sell Ken, Danny Ward, let Niasse return to Everton and then invest in a brand new frontline for next season whatever league we are in

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Wed May 01, 2019 11:47 am

Charlie Harper wrote:Ken is not the answer v Palace or anybody else. We need to sell Ken, Danny Ward, let Niasse return to Everton and then invest in a brand new frontline for next season whatever league we are in

Normally, I'd agree but (for me) Niasse is no longer the answer and we need a 'lump' up top with a decent fleet-footed player alongside him

Beyond that, the options (in the absence of Callum Paterson) are exceptionally limited

Tell Zohore (quietly) this is the 'Last Chance Saloon' and if he let's us down again he will be out in the summer. For all I hoped he would 'come good', he has pretty much done the opposite and (injury aside) failed to show any sign that he will be the man to lead the front-line next season, no matter what division we are in

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Wed May 01, 2019 12:08 pm

How many chances we giving him Sven? It seems to me he dodges games :x

Re: What on earth is going on with Bobby Reid?

Wed May 01, 2019 12:12 pm

Sven wrote:
Charlie Harper wrote:Ken is not the answer v Palace or anybody else. We need to sell Ken, Danny Ward, let Niasse return to Everton and then invest in a brand new frontline for next season whatever league we are in

Normally, I'd agree but (for me) Niasse is no longer the answer and we need a 'lump' up top with a decent fleet-footed player alongside him

Beyond that, the options (in the absence of Callum Paterson) are exceptionally limited

Tell Zohore (quietly) this is the 'Last Chance Saloon' and if he let's us down again he will be out in the summer. For all I hoped he would 'come good', he has pretty much done the opposite and (injury aside) failed to show any sign that he will be the man to lead the front-line next season, no matter what division we are in



Impossible to know which way he will go, but we definitely need to try something else and go for it as we have nothing to lose, and it will give the players two last chances to impress, again it's going to be another interesting Summer seeing how many players he bombs out ???