POLL: LEEDS V VILLA 'GOALS'

There has been some interesting fall-out and much recrimination after Sunday's controversial meeting between two of Cardiff City supporters favourite teams (not) Leeds United and Aston Villa

Clearly the biggest talking point was the Leeds goal that led to Marcelo Bielsa demanding his team let Villa 'walk' the ball into the Leeds net straight from the restart

Was that right or wrong?

didn't really cost Leeds anything.
would Bielsa have still done it if the GD between them and SUFC was only 3 or 4 though ?

Yes for me.

I don't get why Leeds gifted them that goal, there was definitely a bit of 'public relations' going on there.

Any other game they wouldn't have done it IMO. They just knew there was nothing on it and it would look good after spygate.

There was nothing wrong with the goal, Villa players fault for stopping, I reckon even the most ardent Villa fan would agree with that.

If it was us id have been more pissed off with our own players for not playing the whistle.

For me, the goal should have stood as it did and Villa were very lucky that Bielsa insisted the ball be allowed to be 'walked' into the Leeds goal straight from the restart

Jonathan Kodja was injured in a run-of-the-mill midfield tackle that was not a head injury, was not deemed a 'foul' by the referee and for which he did not consider the need to stop the game immediately

Leeds hesitated but rightly in my opinion, carried on the game as Villa made assumptions, stopped playing and decided to referee the game themselves. In fact, Leeds probably saw it as yet another Villa 'ploy' after they'd been diving around all through the game

I think players are taking the proverbial with this 'unwritten rule' on occasion and maybe even turning it into another 'tactic' when they lose the ball

The game is played to the whistle, Villa got caught out and should have paid the price; and probably would had Leeds had any realistic chance of automatic promotion at that point

It was a strange (somewhat exciting) game between two teams that could well meet again in the play-off final and it boiled over more than once...

Not withstanding Patrick Bamford's pathetic actions to get El Ghazi sent off, Villa were once again in 'cheating' mode throughout the game; and City supporters won't be too surprised to hear the a certain Jack Grealish (mainly kept in Kalvin Phillips' pocket) was the worst...again!

I thought Leeds were the better team on the day. They have some decent players (most chances created in The Championship but only 13th highest scorers ) but lack a striker that can help Bamford a little more often than they do

For me, Adomah has a 'goal' to his name that should never be but thankfully it won't really effect the league itself

Yes for me.

I don't get why Leeds gifted them that goal, there was definitely a bit of 'public relations' going on there.

Any other game they wouldn't have done it IMO. They just knew there was nothing on it and it would look good after spygate.

There was nothing wrong with the goal, Villa players fault for stopping, I reckon even the most ardent Villa fan would agree with that.

If it was us id have been more pissed off with our own players for not playing the whistle.

Leeds did nothing wrong regarding the laws of the game. However, a few minutes earlier, they had asked for the ball to be put out of play while Villa were attacking and a Leeds player was down. Villa put the ball out. For the goal, the Leeds player slowed down to walking pace and made as if he was putting it into touch. He then played a through ball instead.

As for a Dean Smith side being cheats, the irony is of course in abundance when the person claiming it is a supporter of Neil warnock. Grealish was also kicked to pieces again, or as Dean Smith put its, used for target practice.

The game should not be stopped unless its a clear head injury or serious looking incident and only by ref! Teams should play on otherwise get teams having players going down with false injury as opponent is attacking? How many times did it happen to us as we were attacking....

Yes for me.

I don't get why Leeds gifted them that goal, there was definitely a bit of 'public relations' going on there.

Any other game they wouldn't have done it IMO. They just knew there was nothing on it and it would look good after spygate.

There was nothing wrong with the goal, Villa players fault for stopping, I reckon even the most ardent Villa fan would agree with that.

If it was us id have been more pissed off with our own players for not playing the whistle.

Leeds did nothing wrong regarding the laws of the game. However, a few minutes earlier, they had asked for the ball to be put out of play while Villa were attacking and a Leeds player was down. Villa put the ball out. For the goal, the Leeds player slowed down to walking pace and made as if he was putting it into touch. He then played a through ball instead.

As for a Dean Smith side being cheats, the irony is of course in abundance when the person claiming it is a supporter of Neil warnock. Grealish was also kicked to pieces again, or as Dean Smith put its, used for target practice.

I suppose that does change things (Leeds asking for ball to be put out minutes earlier), I wasn't aware of that.

I don't think iv ever called a Dean Smith side cheats BTW.

The game should not be stopped unless its a clear head injury or serious looking incident and only by ref! Teams should play on otherwise get teams having players going down with false injury as opponent is attacking? How many times did it happen to us as we were attacking....

I 100% agree. When our player kicked the ball out, our fans went mad at him. However, if one team asked for it, they should then be expected to return the compliment. Hence their manager instructing his players to give us the goal back.

By law it was a goal but the Leeds player definitely slowed and feigned to put the ball out resulting in the Villa players slowing down expecting that to happen.
Unsporting conduct and it was right that Villa we’re allowed to score.

On another note - what about Bamford? The cheating tw*t should be banned.

IMO it had to stand, the ref didn't think it was a foul and of course everyone is taught to play to the whistle.

Ive only seen it a couple of times but I thought it was a bit presumptuous he was going to put it out just because he slowed down. If he was pretending he was going to kick it out then that's pretty low.

Of course the goal should have stood and AV denied an equaliser.

Players play to the whistle. The rules are clear.

Morales have no relevance

By law it was a goal but the Leeds player definitely slowed and feigned to put the ball out resulting in the Villa players slowing down expecting that to happen.
Unsporting conduct and it was right that Villa we’re allowed to score.

On another note - what about Bamford? The cheating tw*t should be banned.

not only is the dive embarrassing he has actually got hold of EL Ghazi from behind which makes him turn around..


anyone not seen it.....https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pa ... &FORM=VIRE

IMO it had to stand, the ref didn't think it was a foul and of course everyone is taught to play to the whistle.

Ive only seen it a couple of times but I thought it was a bit presumptuous he was going to put it out just because he slowed down. If he was pretending he was going to kick it out then that's pretty low.

play more or less stopped , the ref really should have blown up then and not just allowed Leeds to think f it and pick the pace up again.. had Leeds continued at some sort of pace and intent throughout fair enough

IMO it had to stand, the ref didn't think it was a foul and of course everyone is taught to play to the whistle.

Ive only seen it a couple of times but I thought it was a bit presumptuous he was going to put it out just because he slowed down. If he was pretending he was going to kick it out then that's pretty low.

play more or less stopped , the ref really should have blown up then and not just allowed Leeds to think f it and pick the pace up again.. had Leeds continued at some sort of pace and intent throughout fair enough

Play to the whistle; it’s not a difficult concept but there again some footballers aren’t the brightest

IMO it had to stand, the ref didn't think it was a foul and of course everyone is taught to play to the whistle.

Ive only seen it a couple of times but I thought it was a bit presumptuous he was going to put it out just because he slowed down. If he was pretending he was going to kick it out then that's pretty low.

play more or less stopped , the ref really should have blown up then and not just allowed Leeds to think f it and pick the pace up again.. had Leeds continued at some sort of pace and intent throughout fair enough

Play to the whistle; it’s not a difficult concept but there again some footballers aren’t the brightest

sportsmanship is a pretty easy concept to understand too..in this case both the Leeds manager and some of his players have a grasp of right from wrong..as did the Villa player that knocked it out for an injury a couple of mind before..

IMO it had to stand, the ref didn't think it was a foul and of course everyone is taught to play to the whistle.

Ive only seen it a couple of times but I thought it was a bit presumptuous he was going to put it out just because he slowed down. If he was pretending he was going to kick it out then that's pretty low.

play more or less stopped , the ref really should have blown up then and not just allowed Leeds to think f it and pick the pace up again.. had Leeds continued at some sort of pace and intent throughout fair enough

Play to the whistle; it’s not a difficult concept but there again some footballers aren’t the brightest

sportsmanship is a pretty easy concept to understand too..in this case both the Leeds manager and some of his players have a grasp of right from wrong..

IMO it had to stand, the ref didn't think it was a foul and of course everyone is taught to play to the whistle.

Ive only seen it a couple of times but I thought it was a bit presumptuous he was going to put it out just because he slowed down. If he was pretending he was going to kick it out then that's pretty low.

play more or less stopped , the ref really should have blown up then and not just allowed Leeds to think f it and pick the pace up again.. had Leeds continued at some sort of pace and intent throughout fair enough

Play to the whistle; it’s not a difficult concept but there again some footballers aren’t the brightest

I don't think you fully understand what the issue is.

Villa players did not stop because they were waiting for the ref to blow his whistle. They stopped because Leeds stopped and shaped to play the ball out. As professionals, in hindsight, they were probably guilty of switching off but I don't think that anyone, anywhere has ever pretended to be putting the ball out for fair play and then started playing again.

IMO it had to stand, the ref didn't think it was a foul and of course everyone is taught to play to the whistle.

Ive only seen it a couple of times but I thought it was a bit presumptuous he was going to put it out just because he slowed down. If he was pretending he was going to kick it out then that's pretty low.

play more or less stopped , the ref really should have blown up then and not just allowed Leeds to think f it and pick the pace up again.. had Leeds continued at some sort of pace and intent throughout fair enough

Play to the whistle; it’s not a difficult concept but there again some footballers aren’t the brightest

I don't think you fully understand what the issue is.

Villa players did not stop because they were waiting for the ref to blow his whistle. They stopped because Leeds stopped and shaped to play the ball out. As professionals, in hindsight, they were probably guilty of switching off but I don't think that anyone, anywhere has ever pretended to be putting the ball out for fair play and then started playing again.

I'm not sure player intended for the other one to go on and score? yes they slowed down as to put ball out and the pass looked half hearted as Leeds player called for it! But instead of passing he should have just kicked it out play saved a lot of aggravation and banford a 2 match ban as red card rescinded and he's been charged with decepting ref ban will follow

No from me.

Remember when Leroy Fer did it for Norwich against us last time we were in this league? Referee disallowed it on that occasion.

Sportsmanship means that, thankfully, most players do the right thing in these situations.

Yes, only because the injured Aston Villa player did not go down holding his head, hense no head injury and so you have to play on until the whistle is blown. so at the end of the day that gifted promotion to Sheffield Utd BUT Leeds should have won that game. Some may say about sportsmanship but until the whistle is blown you carry on. Because the referee is in control in that situation.

It’s a very clever tactic, perfected by Leeds. Feign putting the ball out, suck the oppo in..nip on and score.

You could see it on Janssens face..”idiots - all those hours in training”.

IMO it had to stand, the ref didn't think it was a foul and of course everyone is taught to play to the whistle.

Ive only seen it a couple of times but I thought it was a bit presumptuous he was going to put it out just because he slowed down. If he was pretending he was going to kick it out then that's pretty low.

play more or less stopped , the ref really should have blown up then and not just allowed Leeds to think f it and pick the pace up again.. had Leeds continued at some sort of pace and intent throughout fair enough

Play to the whistle; it’s not a difficult concept but there again some footballers aren’t the brightest

I don't think you fully understand what the issue is.

Villa players did not stop because they were waiting for the ref to blow his whistle. They stopped because Leeds stopped and shaped to play the ball out. As professionals, in hindsight, they were probably guilty of switching off but I don't think that anyone, anywhere has ever pretended to be putting the ball out for fair play and then started playing again.

I'm not sure player intended for the other one to go on and score? yes they slowed down as to put ball out and the pass looked half hearted as Leeds player called for it! But instead of passing he should have just kicked it out play saved a lot of aggravation and banford a 2 match ban as red card rescinded and he's been charged with decepting ref ban will follow

That's exactly how I see it now (with the benefit of TV replays).

The Leeds player didn't know what to do. He is a young lad and the crowd were bawling at him to carry on. I think he slowed down intending to put the ball out and then played it forward so that he wasn't upsetting anybody and a more senior player could then take the responsibility.

You often see in these situations that the ball doesn't go out straight away.

IMO it had to stand, the ref didn't think it was a foul and of course everyone is taught to play to the whistle.

Ive only seen it a couple of times but I thought it was a bit presumptuous he was going to put it out just because he slowed down. If he was pretending he was going to kick it out then that's pretty low.

play more or less stopped , the ref really should have blown up then and not just allowed Leeds to think f it and pick the pace up again.. had Leeds continued at some sort of pace and intent throughout fair enough

Play to the whistle; it’s not a difficult concept but there again some footballers aren’t the brightest

I don't think you fully understand what the issue is.

Villa players did not stop because they were waiting for the ref to blow his whistle. They stopped because Leeds stopped and shaped to play the ball out. As professionals, in hindsight, they were probably guilty of switching off but I don't think that anyone, anywhere has ever pretended to be putting the ball out for fair play and then started playing again.

I'm not sure player intended for the other one to go on and score? yes they slowed down as to put ball out and the pass looked half hearted as Leeds player called for it! But instead of passing he should have just kicked it out play saved a lot of aggravation and banford a 2 match ban as red card rescinded and he's been charged with decepting ref ban will follow

That's exactly how I see it now (with the benefit of TV replays).

The Leeds player didn't know what to do. He is a young lad and the crowd were bawling at him to carry on. I think he slowed down intending to put the ball out and then played it forward so that he wasn't upsetting anybody and a more senior player could then take the responsibility.

You often see in these situations that the ball doesn't go out straight away.

Yes player doesnt want the aggro from fans or team mates! But hopefully after this players will not kick ball out unless its really necessary as is the General rule?

Yes, only because the injured Aston Villa player did not go down holding his head, hense no head injury and so you have to play on until the whistle is blown. so at the end of the day that gifted promotion to Sheffield Utd BUT Leeds should have won that game. Some may say about sportsmanship but until the whistle is blown you carry on. Because the referee is in control in that situation.

Sheff already promoted b 4 games played !
unless Leeds managed to get a 13 goal deficit overturned in 2 games providing sheff didnt get a point in their 2 games. So didnt gift them promotion other than losing last 2 games

Yes, only because the injured Aston Villa player did not go down holding his head, hense no head injury and so you have to play on until the whistle is blown. so at the end of the day that gifted promotion to Sheffield Utd BUT Leeds should have won that game. Some may say about sportsmanship but until the whistle is blown you carry on. Because the referee is in control in that situation.

well we have kicked the ball out this season on numerous occasions. write to Warnock and complain about us being sporting..
im sure it will be a first for him..