OGS: CARDIFF CITY FANS FEEING VINDICATED

Manchester United lost to Manchester City and Cardiff City fans are all saying the same thing about Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
By Ben James



Thursday 25th April 2019


The former Bluebirds boss fell to his seventh defeat in nine games with Manchester United


Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's Manchester United fell to yet another defeat last night, being outclassed by local rivals Manchester City 2-0 at Old Trafford.

The defeat was United's seventh loss in their last nine fixtures and only serves to highlight the rot the club find themselves in currently - which might seem like a familiar scenario to Cardiff City fans who endured Solskjaer's miserable tenure in south Wales.

The Norwegian didn't even last a year in Cardiff - being sacked mere months after overseeing the club's relegation from the Premier League in 2014.

So it came as a surprise to loyal Bluebirds to see Solskjaer land the Old Trafford hot-seat on a permanent basis after his failure in Cardiff and many warned he was destined to fail there, too.

Solskjaer started well in the Old Trafford job, with United fans singing his name and demanding he was handed the post full-time.

But it has begun to go horribly wrong, United's top four hopes have taken a knock... and Cardiff fans feel they have been completely vindicated with their warnings.

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If you look at a few of those fixtures, you'd expect some defeats in there, even including the two Wolves games, so a little unfair to say it's a totally shocking run, much the same as when he started where apart from Spurs and PSG away, you'd expect Man United's team to sweep aside some of the teams they were facing, which they duly did.

The one thing I can't warm to with OGS is that he still has it in him to smile to the cameras after a humiliating defeat. It's as if he relies on charming everyone to give himself more time before people realise his tactics are truely appalling.

After a big defeat you want your manager snarling and demanding more, OGS to me appears too happy to throw his arms up, smile and tell a sorry tale of what you just witnessed.

Sure he'll rotate the "underperforming" players out of the team, but then he'll rotate them back in again.

United aspired to play Pep's "passing carousel" football, instead they're about to witness Ole's "tactical carousel".

Ole, I have always said a very nice person, but a disastrous manager for us, spent the most money ever and relegated us and took us on a terrible run in the Championship.

Started well at United, but 7 defeats from United's last 9 games, worse run for United since 1962, that for me is a awful.

It's like watching a football episode of the apprentice. You watch the cock-ups and the inappropriate smiling after some heavy defeats, you can see he's having a go but hasn't really got what it takes to be a professional Manager, and you just wait to see how long it is before he hears those words, "you've been fired".

They should have tried harder for Poch, they need a complete rebuild, surely they aren't really going to let Ole waste more money on the wrong players, as Roy Keene said they are in a right mess, and it's going to take a good three windows to put right even with a decent proven Manager.

Ole, I have always said a very nice person, but a disastrous manager for us, spent the most money ever and relegated us and took us on a terrible run in the Championship.

Started well at United, but 7 defeats from United's last 9 games, worse run for United since 1962, that for me is a awful.

he wasnt very good for us given..but spent the most..?

The manager is not the issue at that club, the manager will never have real power while those players are there - it’s the opposite to when Ferguson was in charge.

Those players chucked Mourinho under the bus, and will do the same to Ole and the next one after that.

The manager is not the issue at that club, the manager will never have real power while those players are there - it’s the opposite to when Ferguson was in charge.

Those players chucked Mourinho under the bus, and will do the same to Ole and the next one after that.

I do agree, but will add appointing him when they did seemed a bit erm crazy .

I doubt anyone else would have jumped in and gazumped them after 10 games and even if someone else did show interest I don't think he wants to be anywhere else while he stands a chance of keeping the manutd job..its clearly his dream job ?

The manager is not the issue at that club, the manager will never have real power while those players are there - it’s the opposite to when Ferguson was in charge.

Those players chucked Mourinho under the bus, and will do the same to Ole and the next one after that.

I agree, the issues run far deeper than on the pitch performances.
You watch Pogba angle for a move soon especially if they don’t make the top four and the Champions League.
As good as he can be he’s the first player to get rid of imo.

Ole, I have always said a very nice person, but a disastrous manager for us, spent the most money ever and relegated us and took us on a terrible run in the Championship.

Started well at United, but 7 defeats from United's last 9 games, worse run for United since 1962, that for me is a awful.

he wasnt very good for us given..but spent the most..?

He signed a few players who probably weren’t on a small wage at the time - Pilkington, Fabio, Kenwyne Jones, Tom Adeyemi, Bruno Manga, Sean Morrison, Macheda, Le Fondre, Dikagcoi, Javi Guerra, Zaha, Cala etc. Some of them would’ve come with signing fees too so although none of them cost £9m like Cornelius, some of them might’ve been on a bigger wage than him.

The manager is not the issue at that club, the manager will never have real power while those players are there - it’s the opposite to when Ferguson was in charge.

Those players chucked Mourinho under the bus, and will do the same to Ole and the next one after that.

It's true the players have let the club down, but the right Manager could change five of those players a season until all the rotten apples are gone, they needed a proper manager in now for the start of the next window to start the rebuild.

Ole sent us back at least three seasons, and he will do the same to them, we were lucky that Warnock was able to sort out the mess he made so quickly !!!

I can't stand the bloke.

What he did here was terrible. I don't think we were in the relegation places when he arrived?

Then the signings he made were awful, the three Norwegians Berget, Daehli and Eikram cost about £2m each and were hopeless. Kenwynne Jones was Ok. Fabio was OK. Cala was not very good, although he did scored two goals in seven appearences that season, not sure if he was a OGS signing though? Zaha on loan was useless apart from one cross away to WBA!


Then after we got relegated he brought in Manga and Morrison (who, to be fair, have been excellent. And Le Fondre, Adeyemi, Burgstaller, Guerra, Pilkington, Dikgacoi, Macheda and Gabbidon. With the exception of Pilkington they were all failures. We used 38 players in the League that season and another 5 in the Cups. Adeyemi and Le Fondre went out on loan to see out their contracts, all the rest went for nothing. He set us back about 4 years in his short spell here.

Just wait to see how much damage he will do when he's given money to spend at Man U, the failures will still be there , they'll just cost a lot more.

A lot of people on here thought he deserved the job full time after his start. For me it was always just about the initial reaction after mourinho.

I said it from the start they should move heaven and earth for Poch on a long term deal and start rebuilding. The squad needs a mass overhaul.

Ole, I have always said a very nice person, but a disastrous manager for us, spent the most money ever and relegated us and took us on a terrible run in the Championship.

Started well at United, but 7 defeats from United's last 9 games, worse run for United since 1962, that for me is a awful.

he wasnt very good for us given..but spent the most..?

He signed a few players who probably weren’t on a small wage at the time - Pilkington, Fabio, Kenwyne Jones, Tom Adeyemi, Bruno Manga, Sean Morrison, Macheda, Le Fondre, Dikagcoi, Javi Guerra, Zaha, Cala etc. Some of them would’ve come with signing fees too so although none of them cost £9m like Cornelius, some of them might’ve been on a bigger wage than him.

bloody hell you think some of them might have been on more than the 45k a week cornelious was on ?

im fully aware of who we signed and who left and the huge difference in expenditure...OGS might be lots of things but spent the most NO..not close

Ole, I have always said a very nice person, but a disastrous manager for us, spent the most money ever and relegated us and took us on a terrible run in the Championship.

Started well at United, but 7 defeats from United's last 9 games, worse run for United since 1962, that for me is a awful.

he wasnt very good for us given..but spent the most..?

He signed a few players who probably weren’t on a small wage at the time - Pilkington, Fabio, Kenwyne Jones, Tom Adeyemi, Bruno Manga, Sean Morrison, Macheda, Le Fondre, Dikagcoi, Javi Guerra, Zaha, Cala etc. Some of them would’ve come with signing fees too so although none of them cost £9m like Cornelius, some of them might’ve been on a bigger wage than him.

bloody hell you think some of them might have been on more than the 45k a week cornelious was on ?

im fully aware of who we signed and who left and the huge difference in expenditure...OGS might be lots of things but spent the most NO..not close

You’re misreading it. Nobody said that they were on more than Cornelius but if you add all of them up then undoubtedly yes they would be on more than 45k. I can’t imagine Zaha or Kenwyne being far off 45k per week when they were with us. Pilkington cost £1m and was on wages so high we struggled to offload him even as recent as last season (not 45k but high for a championship player). Morrison cost £3m. Le Fondre cost £3m. Manga was apparently £5m+ and thats not including their wages. The managers who came after Ole (Slade and Trollope) didn’t spend anywhere near that much either and Warnock didn’t spend that much until this season, only, Warnock actually improved the side. Solskjaer spent that much and we still saw ourselves getting worse.

So, expenditure that doesn’t pay off ends up being more expensive (as you have to rebuild) in contrast to expenditure that pays off more. Cornelius aside, the successful managers we’ve had (Malky and Warnock) spent money but all in all it generally paid off. Certainly a lot more than Ole’s expenditure. Depends how you look at it

The manager is not the issue at that club, the manager will never have real power while those players are there - it’s the opposite to when Ferguson was in charge.

Those players chucked Mourinho under the bus, and will do the same to Ole and the next one after that.

I agree, the issues run far deeper than on the pitch performances.
You watch Pogba angle for a move soon especially if they don’t make the top four and the Champions League.
As good as he can be he’s the first player to get rid of imo.

Perfectly put ogeb, pogba was the instigator in mourning sacking,trouble maker,and huge ego

Ole, I have always said a very nice person, but a disastrous manager for us, spent the most money ever and relegated us and took us on a terrible run in the Championship.

Started well at United, but 7 defeats from United's last 9 games, worse run for United since 1962, that for me is a awful.

he wasnt very good for us given..but spent the most..?

He signed a few players who probably weren’t on a small wage at the time - Pilkington, Fabio, Kenwyne Jones, Tom Adeyemi, Bruno Manga, Sean Morrison, Macheda, Le Fondre, Dikagcoi, Javi Guerra, Zaha, Cala etc. Some of them would’ve come with signing fees too so although none of them cost £9m like Cornelius, some of them might’ve been on a bigger wage than him.

bloody hell you think some of them might have been on more than the 45k a week cornelious was on ?

im fully aware of who we signed and who left and the huge difference in expenditure...OGS might be lots of things but spent the most NO..not close

You’re misreading it. Nobody said that they were on more than Cornelius but if you add all of them up then undoubtedly yes they would be on more than 45k. I can’t imagine Zaha or Kenwyne being far off 45k per week when they were with us. Pilkington cost £1m and was on wages so high we struggled to offload him even as recent as last season (not 45k but high for a championship player). Morrison cost £3m. Le Fondre cost £3m. Manga was apparently £5m+ and thats not including their wages. The managers who came after Ole (Slade and Trollope) didn’t spend anywhere near that much either and Warnock didn’t spend that much until this season, only, Warnock actually improved the side. Solskjaer spent that much and we still saw ourselves getting worse.

So, expenditure that doesn’t pay off ends up being more expensive (as you have to rebuild) in contrast to expenditure that pays off more. Cornelius aside, the successful managers we’ve had (Malky and Warnock) spent money but all in all it generally paid off. Certainly a lot more than Ole’s expenditure. Depends how you look at it

I did not misread anything...some of them might have been on bigger wages than him.is what you said..

reality 25 mill came in that summer on transfers 11 mill went out..

the players leaving/retiring were on far superior wages to those who left

and the squad increased by 1.

Ole, I have always said a very nice person, but a disastrous manager for us, spent the most money ever and relegated us and took us on a terrible run in the Championship.

Started well at United, but 7 defeats from United's last 9 games, worse run for United since 1962, that for me is a awful.

he wasnt very good for us given..but spent the most..?

He signed a few players who probably weren’t on a small wage at the time - Pilkington, Fabio, Kenwyne Jones, Tom Adeyemi, Bruno Manga, Sean Morrison, Macheda, Le Fondre, Dikagcoi, Javi Guerra, Zaha, Cala etc. Some of them would’ve come with signing fees too so although none of them cost £9m like Cornelius, some of them might’ve been on a bigger wage than him.

bloody hell you think some of them might have been on more than the 45k a week cornelious was on ?

im fully aware of who we signed and who left and the huge difference in expenditure...OGS might be lots of things but spent the most NO..not close

You’re misreading it. Nobody said that they were on more than Cornelius but if you add all of them up then undoubtedly yes they would be on more than 45k. I can’t imagine Zaha or Kenwyne being far off 45k per week when they were with us. Pilkington cost £1m and was on wages so high we struggled to offload him even as recent as last season (not 45k but high for a championship player). Morrison cost £3m. Le Fondre cost £3m. Manga was apparently £5m+ and thats not including their wages. The managers who came after Ole (Slade and Trollope) didn’t spend anywhere near that much either and Warnock didn’t spend that much until this season, only, Warnock actually improved the side. Solskjaer spent that much and we still saw ourselves getting worse.

So, expenditure that doesn’t pay off ends up being more expensive (as you have to rebuild) in contrast to expenditure that pays off more. Cornelius aside, the successful managers we’ve had (Malky and Warnock) spent money but all in all it generally paid off. Certainly a lot more than Ole’s expenditure. Depends how you look at it

I did not misread anything...some of them might have been on bigger wages than him.is what you said..

reality 25 mill came in that summer on transfers 11 mill went out..

the players leaving/retiring were on far superior wages to those who left

and the squad increased by 1.

Yes I said it but you’re not understanding what I meant. I didn’t mean any single players were on a bigger wage, I meant some of them (accumulated) would’ve been on a bigger wage.

And yes, on paper, we spent less but look at who we signed:
Eikrem
Daehli
Zaha
Kenwyne
Fabio
Berget
Burgstaller
Le Fondre
Dikagcoi
Guerra
Macheda
Adeyemi
Morrison
Manga
Gabbidon
Pilkington
Apart from Morrison, Manga and Pilkington, every single one of those players flopped or should’ve/could’ve done better. So on paper it would’ve been cheaper but we didn’t spend much less but certainly didn’t progress at all whereas Malky spent money and progressed.

Plus, I don’t know this but I can only imagine Ole was on a bigger wage than the other managers we had.

Ole, I have always said a very nice person, but a disastrous manager for us, spent the most money ever and relegated us and took us on a terrible run in the Championship.

Started well at United, but 7 defeats from United's last 9 games, worse run for United since 1962, that for me is a awful.

he wasnt very good for us given..but spent the most..?

He signed a few players who probably weren’t on a small wage at the time - Pilkington, Fabio, Kenwyne Jones, Tom Adeyemi, Bruno Manga, Sean Morrison, Macheda, Le Fondre, Dikagcoi, Javi Guerra, Zaha, Cala etc. Some of them would’ve come with signing fees too so although none of them cost £9m like Cornelius, some of them might’ve been on a bigger wage than him.

bloody hell you think some of them might have been on more than the 45k a week cornelious was on ?

im fully aware of who we signed and who left and the huge difference in expenditure...OGS might be lots of things but spent the most NO..not close

You’re misreading it. Nobody said that they were on more than Cornelius but if you add all of them up then undoubtedly yes they would be on more than 45k. I can’t imagine Zaha or Kenwyne being far off 45k per week when they were with us. Pilkington cost £1m and was on wages so high we struggled to offload him even as recent as last season (not 45k but high for a championship player). Morrison cost £3m. Le Fondre cost £3m. Manga was apparently £5m+ and thats not including their wages. The managers who came after Ole (Slade and Trollope) didn’t spend anywhere near that much either and Warnock didn’t spend that much until this season, only, Warnock actually improved the side. Solskjaer spent that much and we still saw ourselves getting worse.

So, expenditure that doesn’t pay off ends up being more expensive (as you have to rebuild) in contrast to expenditure that pays off more. Cornelius aside, the successful managers we’ve had (Malky and Warnock) spent money but all in all it generally paid off. Certainly a lot more than Ole’s expenditure. Depends how you look at it

I did not misread anything...some of them might have been on bigger wages than him.is what you said..

reality 25 mill came in that summer on transfers 11 mill went out..

the players leaving/retiring were on far superior wages to those who left

and the squad increased by 1.

Yes I said it but you’re not understanding what I meant. I didn’t mean any single players were on a bigger wage, I meant some of them (accumulated) would’ve been on a bigger wage.

And yes, on paper, we spent less but look at who we signed:
Eikrem
Daehli
Zaha
Kenwyne
Fabio
Berget
Burgstaller
Le Fondre
Dikagcoi
Guerra
Macheda
Adeyemi
Morrison
Manga
Gabbidon
Pilkington
Apart from Morrison, Manga and Pilkington, every single one of those players flopped or should’ve/could’ve done better. So on paper it would’ve been cheaper but we didn’t spend much less but certainly didn’t progress at all whereas Malky spent money and progressed.

Plus, I don’t know this but I can only imagine Ole was on a bigger wage than the other managers we had.

You can pick holes in any manager.

Malky spent the best part of £21 million on this lot

Cornelius
Kim
Velikonja
Odemwingie
Brayford
Maynard

Notwithstanding wages. None paid off.


That's on top of everything else he spent on some dubious signings.

Give it a few years and you will probably have people doing the same to Warnock.

Things didn't work out here for Ole, imo he wasn't given enough time and the board were to blame for allowing him to make the signings but not the time to implement his pholosophy.

BTW, Burgstaller has had an outstanding career since, and Guerra went back to La Liga and banged goals in for fun. Zaha is a quality player, we were right to question take a chance loan on him.

It didn't work out but I don't get why done cardiff fans want to crucify him at any given chance.

Ole, I have always said a very nice person, but a disastrous manager for us, spent the most money ever and relegated us and took us on a terrible run in the Championship.

Started well at United, but 7 defeats from United's last 9 games, worse run for United since 1962, that for me is a awful.

he wasnt very good for us given..but spent the most..?

He signed a few players who probably weren’t on a small wage at the time - Pilkington, Fabio, Kenwyne Jones, Tom Adeyemi, Bruno Manga, Sean Morrison, Macheda, Le Fondre, Dikagcoi, Javi Guerra, Zaha, Cala etc. Some of them would’ve come with signing fees too so although none of them cost £9m like Cornelius, some of them might’ve been on a bigger wage than him.

bloody hell you think some of them might have been on more than the 45k a week cornelious was on ?

im fully aware of who we signed and who left and the huge difference in expenditure...OGS might be lots of things but spent the most NO..not close

You’re misreading it. Nobody said that they were on more than Cornelius but if you add all of them up then undoubtedly yes they would be on more than 45k. I can’t imagine Zaha or Kenwyne being far off 45k per week when they were with us. Pilkington cost £1m and was on wages so high we struggled to offload him even as recent as last season (not 45k but high for a championship player). Morrison cost £3m. Le Fondre cost £3m. Manga was apparently £5m+ and thats not including their wages. The managers who came after Ole (Slade and Trollope) didn’t spend anywhere near that much either and Warnock didn’t spend that much until this season, only, Warnock actually improved the side. Solskjaer spent that much and we still saw ourselves getting worse.

So, expenditure that doesn’t pay off ends up being more expensive (as you have to rebuild) in contrast to expenditure that pays off more. Cornelius aside, the successful managers we’ve had (Malky and Warnock) spent money but all in all it generally paid off. Certainly a lot more than Ole’s expenditure. Depends how you look at it

I did not misread anything...some of them might have been on bigger wages than him.is what you said..

reality 25 mill came in that summer on transfers 11 mill went out..

the players leaving/retiring were on far superior wages to those who left

and the squad increased by 1.

Yes I said it but you’re not understanding what I meant. I didn’t mean any single players were on a bigger wage, I meant some of them (accumulated) would’ve been on a bigger wage.

And yes, on paper, we spent less but look at who we signed:
Eikrem
Daehli
Zaha
Kenwyne
Fabio
Berget
Burgstaller
Le Fondre
Dikagcoi
Guerra
Macheda
Adeyemi
Morrison
Manga
Gabbidon
Pilkington
Apart from Morrison, Manga and Pilkington, every single one of those players flopped or should’ve/could’ve done better. So on paper it would’ve been cheaper but we didn’t spend much less but certainly didn’t progress at all whereas Malky spent money and progressed.

Plus, I don’t know this but I can only imagine Ole was on a bigger wage than the other managers we had.

You can pick holes in any manager.

Malky spent the best part of £21 million on this lot

Cornelius
Kim
Velikonja
Odemwingie
Brayford
Maynard

Notwithstanding wages. None paid off.


That's on top of everything else he spent on some dubious signings.

Give it a few years and you will probably have people doing the same to Warnock.

Things didn't work out here for Ole, imo he wasn't given enough time and the board were to blame for allowing him to make the signings but not the time to implement his pholosophy.

BTW, Burgstaller has had an outstanding career since, and Guerra went back to La Liga and banged goals in for fun. Zaha is a quality player, we were right to question take a chance loan on him.

It didn't work out but I don't get why done cardiff fans want to crucify him at any given chance.

Well I liked Malky and Ole so I don’t know why you think I want to crucify them? It was wrong what Malky did after he left but everyone makes mistakes and as for Ole, no amount of time would’ve allowed him to succeed, he was not used to a club of our stature, he played the best part of his club at a far far superior club and managed a team at a far far inferior division. Cardiff City was unknown terrain for him.

Yes, Burgstaller has had a good career since but the point was, he didn’t here. And a number of players didn’t until he left so you can put that down to the manager too. IMO, Kimbo did well here, he took a while to get into the groove but when he did, he was a good player. As for Maynard, he started off well but got an injury very early into his career with us. A-Corn was undoubtedly a massive mistake - however, i’m not 100% sure about this but I don’t believe he was “Malky’s signing”. Odemwingie also did well at every club before us and I think he did well after he left us and obviously Velikonja - what the hell happened there? And Brayford too.

I agree you can pick out holes in managers and people are already doing it with Warnock now (Reid, Smithies) but the point I’m trying to make is that 85% of Solskjaer signings were awful and had little to no impact whereas the other managers whom spent close to the same amount had nowhere near that many bad signings.

I suppose what I’m saying is although Velikonja or A-Corn were bad, Malky also made good signings such as Tommy Smith, Cowie, Gestede who were all cheap or free and played roles in helping us go up but none of Ole’s cheap signings paid off and the only 3 that did were £1m, £3m and £5m+

Ole, I have always said a very nice person, but a disastrous manager for us, spent the most money ever and relegated us and took us on a terrible run in the Championship.

Started well at United, but 7 defeats from United's last 9 games, worse run for United since 1962, that for me is a awful.

he wasnt very good for us given..but spent the most..?

He signed a few players who probably weren’t on a small wage at the time - Pilkington, Fabio, Kenwyne Jones, Tom Adeyemi, Bruno Manga, Sean Morrison, Macheda, Le Fondre, Dikagcoi, Javi Guerra, Zaha, Cala etc. Some of them would’ve come with signing fees too so although none of them cost £9m like Cornelius, some of them might’ve been on a bigger wage than him.

bloody hell you think some of them might have been on more than the 45k a week cornelious was on ?

im fully aware of who we signed and who left and the huge difference in expenditure...OGS might be lots of things but spent the most NO..not close

You’re misreading it. Nobody said that they were on more than Cornelius but if you add all of them up then undoubtedly yes they would be on more than 45k. I can’t imagine Zaha or Kenwyne being far off 45k per week when they were with us. Pilkington cost £1m and was on wages so high we struggled to offload him even as recent as last season (not 45k but high for a championship player). Morrison cost £3m. Le Fondre cost £3m. Manga was apparently £5m+ and thats not including their wages. The managers who came after Ole (Slade and Trollope) didn’t spend anywhere near that much either and Warnock didn’t spend that much until this season, only, Warnock actually improved the side. Solskjaer spent that much and we still saw ourselves getting worse.

So, expenditure that doesn’t pay off ends up being more expensive (as you have to rebuild) in contrast to expenditure that pays off more. Cornelius aside, the successful managers we’ve had (Malky and Warnock) spent money but all in all it generally paid off. Certainly a lot more than Ole’s expenditure. Depends how you look at it

I did not misread anything...some of them might have been on bigger wages than him.is what you said..

reality 25 mill came in that summer on transfers 11 mill went out..

the players leaving/retiring were on far superior wages to those who left

and the squad increased by 1.

Yes I said it but you’re not understanding what I meant. I didn’t mean any single players were on a bigger wage, I meant some of them (accumulated) would’ve been on a bigger wage.

And yes, on paper, we spent less but look at who we signed:
Eikrem
Daehli
Zaha
Kenwyne
Fabio
Berget
Burgstaller
Le Fondre
Dikagcoi
Guerra
Macheda
Adeyemi
Morrison
Manga
Gabbidon
Pilkington
Apart from Morrison, Manga and Pilkington, every single one of those players flopped or should’ve/could’ve done better. So on paper it would’ve been cheaper but we didn’t spend much less but certainly didn’t progress at all whereas Malky spent money and progressed.

Plus, I don’t know this but I can only imagine Ole was on a bigger wage than the other managers we had.

You can pick holes in any manager.

Malky spent the best part of £21 million on this lot

Cornelius
Kim
Velikonja
Odemwingie
Brayford
Maynard

Notwithstanding wages. None paid off.


That's on top of everything else he spent on some dubious signings.

Give it a few years and you will probably have people doing the same to Warnock.

Things didn't work out here for Ole, imo he wasn't given enough time and the board were to blame for allowing him to make the signings but not the time to implement his pholosophy.

BTW, Burgstaller has had an outstanding career since, and Guerra went back to La Liga and banged goals in for fun. Zaha is a quality player, we were right to question take a chance loan on him.

It didn't work out but I don't get why done cardiff fans want to crucify him at any given chance.

Well I liked Malky and Ole so I don’t know why you think I want to crucify them? It was wrong what Malky did after he left but everyone makes mistakes and as for Ole, no amount of time would’ve allowed him to succeed, he was not used to a club of our stature, he played the best part of his club at a far far superior club and managed a team at a far far inferior division. Cardiff City was unknown terrain for him.

Yes, Burgstaller has had a good career since but the point was, he didn’t here. And a number of players didn’t until he left so you can put that down to the manager too. IMO, Kimbo did well here, he took a while to get into the groove but when he did, he was a good player. As for Maynard, he started off well but got an injury very early into his career with us. A-Corn was undoubtedly a massive mistake - however, i’m not 100% sure about this but I don’t believe he was “Malky’s signing”. Odemwingie also did well at every club before us and I think he did well after he left us and obviously Velikonja - what the hell happened there? And Brayford too.

I agree you can pick out holes in managers and people are already doing it with Warnock now (Reid, Smithies) but the point I’m trying to make is that 85% of Solskjaer signings were awful and had little to no impact whereas the other managers whom spent close to the same amount had nowhere near that many bad signings.

I suppose what I’m saying is although Velikonja or A-Corn were bad, Malky also made good signings such as Tommy Smith, Cowie, Gestede who were all cheap or free and played roles in helping us go up but none of Ole’s cheap signings paid off and the only 3 that did were £1m, £3m and £5m+

Have to agree to disagree.

If you go through Malkys signings you will find at least half were poor or made little impact act here.

And about the same with OGS signings.

The difference being Malky took us up and Ole took us down.

However, OGS walked into a broken club that was a sinking ship and as I said, IMO not given the time needed to implement a philosophy.

Only time will tell whether he succeeds at UTD, my feeling is given time he will.

Ole, I have always said a very nice person, but a disastrous manager for us, spent the most money ever and relegated us and took us on a terrible run in the Championship.

Started well at United, but 7 defeats from United's last 9 games, worse run for United since 1962, that for me is a awful.

he wasnt very good for us given..but spent the most..?

He signed a few players who probably weren’t on a small wage at the time - Pilkington, Fabio, Kenwyne Jones, Tom Adeyemi, Bruno Manga, Sean Morrison, Macheda, Le Fondre, Dikagcoi, Javi Guerra, Zaha, Cala etc. Some of them would’ve come with signing fees too so although none of them cost £9m like Cornelius, some of them might’ve been on a bigger wage than him.

bloody hell you think some of them might have been on more than the 45k a week cornelious was on ?

im fully aware of who we signed and who left and the huge difference in expenditure...OGS might be lots of things but spent the most NO..not close

You’re misreading it. Nobody said that they were on more than Cornelius but if you add all of them up then undoubtedly yes they would be on more than 45k. I can’t imagine Zaha or Kenwyne being far off 45k per week when they were with us. Pilkington cost £1m and was on wages so high we struggled to offload him even as recent as last season (not 45k but high for a championship player). Morrison cost £3m. Le Fondre cost £3m. Manga was apparently £5m+ and thats not including their wages. The managers who came after Ole (Slade and Trollope) didn’t spend anywhere near that much either and Warnock didn’t spend that much until this season, only, Warnock actually improved the side. Solskjaer spent that much and we still saw ourselves getting worse.

So, expenditure that doesn’t pay off ends up being more expensive (as you have to rebuild) in contrast to expenditure that pays off more. Cornelius aside, the successful managers we’ve had (Malky and Warnock) spent money but all in all it generally paid off. Certainly a lot more than Ole’s expenditure. Depends how you look at it

I did not misread anything...some of them might have been on bigger wages than him.is what you said..

reality 25 mill came in that summer on transfers 11 mill went out..

the players leaving/retiring were on far superior wages to those who left

and the squad increased by 1.

Yes I said it but you’re not understanding what I meant. I didn’t mean any single players were on a bigger wage, I meant some of them (accumulated) would’ve been on a bigger wage.

And yes, on paper, we spent less but look at who we signed:
Eikrem
Daehli
Zaha
Kenwyne
Fabio
Berget
Burgstaller
Le Fondre
Dikagcoi
Guerra
Macheda
Adeyemi
Morrison
Manga
Gabbidon
Pilkington
Apart from Morrison, Manga and Pilkington, every single one of those players flopped or should’ve/could’ve done better. So on paper it would’ve been cheaper but we didn’t spend much less but certainly didn’t progress at all whereas Malky spent money and progressed.

Plus, I don’t know this but I can only imagine Ole was on a bigger wage than the other managers we had.

You can pick holes in any manager.

Malky spent the best part of £21 million on this lot

Cornelius
Kim
Velikonja
Odemwingie
Brayford
Maynard

Notwithstanding wages. None paid off.


That's on top of everything else he spent on some dubious signings.

Give it a few years and you will probably have people doing the same to Warnock.

Things didn't work out here for Ole, imo he wasn't given enough time and the board were to blame for allowing him to make the signings but not the time to implement his pholosophy.

BTW, Burgstaller has had an outstanding career since, and Guerra went back to La Liga and banged goals in for fun. Zaha is a quality player, we were right to question take a chance loan on him.

It didn't work out but I don't get why done cardiff fans want to crucify him at any given chance.

Well I liked Malky and Ole so I don’t know why you think I want to crucify them? It was wrong what Malky did after he left but everyone makes mistakes and as for Ole, no amount of time would’ve allowed him to succeed, he was not used to a club of our stature, he played the best part of his club at a far far superior club and managed a team at a far far inferior division. Cardiff City was unknown terrain for him.

Yes, Burgstaller has had a good career since but the point was, he didn’t here. And a number of players didn’t until he left so you can put that down to the manager too. IMO, Kimbo did well here, he took a while to get into the groove but when he did, he was a good player. As for Maynard, he started off well but got an injury very early into his career with us. A-Corn was undoubtedly a massive mistake - however, i’m not 100% sure about this but I don’t believe he was “Malky’s signing”. Odemwingie also did well at every club before us and I think he did well after he left us and obviously Velikonja - what the hell happened there? And Brayford too.

I agree you can pick out holes in managers and people are already doing it with Warnock now (Reid, Smithies) but the point I’m trying to make is that 85% of Solskjaer signings were awful and had little to no impact whereas the other managers whom spent close to the same amount had nowhere near that many bad signings.

I suppose what I’m saying is although Velikonja or A-Corn were bad, Malky also made good signings such as Tommy Smith, Cowie, Gestede who were all cheap or free and played roles in helping us go up but none of Ole’s cheap signings paid off and the only 3 that did were £1m, £3m and £5m+

Have to agree to disagree.

If you go through Malkys signings you will find at least half were poor or made little impact act here.

And about the same with OGS signings.

The difference being Malky took us up and Ole took us down.

However, OGS walked into a broken club that was a sinking ship and as I said, IMO not given the time needed to implement a philosophy.

Only time will tell whether he succeeds at UTD, my feeling is given time he will.

You're right; he'll get both the time and support he needs at Man Utd

He is seen as 'one of their own' and was clearly 'picked' ahead of a lot of others once the decision to sack 'The Special One' was made

OGS clearly has the support of the Man Utd hierarchy and rated above certain others that might include the current manager of Wales