' Cardiff have gained zero points '

Cardiff City have gained zero points si far from the Top 8 clubs with just United left to play .

Thats Zero points from 45 points.

I have to be honest I was expecting us to get at least 4-6pts jut a couple of shocks from these 16 games.

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can see fulham trying to stop us getting any points..... got to be on top form that day!

can see fulham trying to stop us getting any points..... got to be on top form that day!

We have to get 3pts from them, any less and our faint hopes will disappear fast

Personally I don't think Wanrock writing them off at the strart of the season helped. Could say he was being realistic or managing expectations but I think it gave players a place to hide in some games.

might want us to join them

Shame is we've had chances in several games to get points but poor defending and of course bad refereeing have cost us! Teams around us have managed something from top sides and thats the difference now....

Cardiff City have gained zero points si far from the Top 8 clubs with just United left to play .

Thats Zero points from 45 points.

I have to be honest I was expecting us to get at least 4-6pts jut a couple of shocks from these 16 games.

We’ve become more streetwise as the season progressed. The irony is a point or three vs Man U will in all reality make a dismal return a survival in the top flight.

Thought we were unlucky against Chelsea and Arsenal at home.

The defeats against City and Liverpool were always going to happen.

Bad timing when we played United at home, due to their new manager just coming in.

Spurs away could have been different if Ralls wasn’t sent off, we were doing ok up to then. At home against them, we started badly and that cost us.

Wouldn’t be surprised if got a point at Old Trafford.

We have been unlucky in certain games but we also make our own luck... the games we have sat back and clumsily given goals away is crazy.
Man Utd at home was the worst timing ever. We were always going to take a hiding then. Chelsea and Arsenal we could have got at least a point. Arsenal away we could have had point, and spurs at Wembley if junior had bit more balls would have scored when he was basically in the line.....

This for me is not the issue, the issue was the other games we could have targeted more cleverly... Huddersfield, Newcastle, Burnley home (criminal how we lost that) ...these were the games we needed more confidence

We have been unlucky in certain games but we also make our own luck... the games we have sat back and clumsily given goals away is crazy.
Man Utd at home was the worst timing ever. We were always going to take a hiding then. Chelsea and Arsenal we could have got at least a point. Arsenal away we could have had point, and spurs at Wembley if junior had bit more balls would have scored when he was basically in the line.....

This for me is not the issue, the issue was the other games we could have targeted more cleverly... Huddersfield, Newcastle, Burnley home (criminal how we lost that) ...these were the games we needed more confidence

Whoops I have posted a similar thread just now without realising; could you combine?

Pointless stat as the seasons not over. We have gained points against wolves and Leicester who could be top 8.

Big 6 is a diffrent matter but if we get relegated that won’t be what’s to blame for it. More like not being able to beat the likes of Huddersfield and Burnley.

can see fulham trying to stop us getting any points..... got to be on top form that day!

Harder game than people are making out tbh.

That's what we have missed, the odd result (shock) taking something away from the so called big boys. In our first season in the prem, we beat Man C and drew with Man u. We've had some good results this season and proved we can compete at this level, and one or two results against the top teams would have made all the difference.

Burnley drew away at Chelsea last night

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We have been unlucky in certain games but we also make our own luck... the games we have sat back and clumsily given goals away is crazy.
Man Utd at home was the worst timing ever. We were always going to take a hiding then. Chelsea and Arsenal we could have got at least a point. Arsenal away we could have had point, and spurs at Wembley if junior had bit more balls would have scored when he was basically in the line.....

This for me is not the issue, the issue was the other games we could have targeted more cleverly... Huddersfield, Newcastle, Burnley home (criminal how we lost that) ...these were the games we needed more confidence

Ryan, you make your own luck and over the season it always evens out

We messed up v Newcastle/Huddersfield/Burnley etc

Cardiff City have gained zero points si far from the Top 8 clubs with just United left to play .

Thats Zero points from 45 points.

I have to be honest I was expecting us to get at least 4-6pts jut a couple of shocks from these 16 games.

We’ve become more streetwise as the season progressed. The irony is a point or three vs Man U will in all reality make a dismal return a survival in the top flight.

Huw, we've battled harder and stop conceding so many goals, but still zero pints.

From day one we needed far better quality players

We need in my opinion to win our remaining three games or win two and draw one

Pointless stat as the seasons not over. We have gained points against wolves and Leicester who could be top 8.

Big 6 is a diffrent matter but if we get relegated that won’t be what’s to blame for it. More like not being able to beat the likes of Huddersfield and Burnley.

It does mean something as to gain Zero, points to a struggling team.

It seems all the other teams have had 'lucky' results - I dont think we have had any luck whatsoever (yet).
Fulham will be in for a tough game on Saturday and again even if we draw it isnt over, it all depends on Brightons results today and on Saturday.

Remember its not the dog in the fight - its the fight in the dog. Should be an interesting week of football ahead

“This is nonsense”, top 8 positions are changing all the time before the Wolves v Brighton game “Wolves were 7 th place” and Everton beating Man Utd 4-0 moved Everton into 7th and Wolves into 10th place. Cardif have beaten Wolves at the Cardiff City Stadium this season 2-1 there for taking 3 points off a top 8 side.

Pointless stat as the seasons not over. We have gained points against wolves and Leicester who could be top 8.

Big 6 is a diffrent matter but if we get relegated that won’t be what’s to blame for it. More like not being able to beat the likes of Huddersfield and Burnley.

It does mean something as to gain Zero, points to a struggling team.

It means nothing we have thrown away points against teams around us. Beat Huddersfield both times another 4 points beat Burnley at home another 3. Theirfore we would be safe also much more important as they are more like 6 point swings in such games. You can write of the top 6 and just take any points as a bonus. You should be able to get to 11 or 12 wins from the other games you play and if you do then you will stay up.

The top 8 bit as I have already said is idiotic as the seasons not over and we have beaten both Leicester and Wolves who could well finish in it.

Cardiff City have gained zero points si far from the Top 8 clubs with just United left to play .

Thats Zero points from 45 points.

I have to be honest I was expecting us to get at least 4-6pts jut a couple of shocks from these 16 games.

We’ve become more streetwise as the season progressed. The irony is a point or three vs Man U will in all reality make a dismal return a survival in the top flight.

Huw, we've battled harder and stop conceding so many goals, but still zero pints.

From day one we needed far better quality players

We need in my opinion to win our remaining three games or win two and draw one

You're original point regarding not getting anything against the top sides is a good one and I think Warnock learned late in the season (probably after the Spurs home game) that if he plays our top eleven we have a chance. Both Arsenal games were missed opportunities as were the away games at Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool.

Since he started picking the best team against the top sides the performances, if not results, have been much better. Chelsea (played well and should have had at least a point if not 3), Liverpool and Man City (both only 2-0 losses and we looked compact).

However, I think the biggest problems are both games against Newcastle, Huddersfield and Burnley. Ironically apart from those we've done quite well against teams around us but those 6 games, even if we'd got 9 of the 18 points available, rather than the 3 that we did get, we would be virtually safe now.

As for what we now need; that's solely down to what Brighton do tonight and on Saturday. If they win either of those then it's going to be tough and we'll probably need 3 wins or a minimum of 2 wins and a draw as you say.

However, if Spurs and Newcastle beat Brighton then it wouldn't be too biased to say that a win and a draw could do it for us as I just can't see Brighton getting a point against Arsenal (A) or Man City (H).

Whatever happens, City really need to beat Fulham to maintain momentum and certainly not lose. At least we would be going to be still in with a shout going into the last 2 games at worst this time then

Pointless stat as the seasons not over. We have gained points against wolves and Leicester who could be top 8.

Big 6 is a diffrent matter but if we get relegated that won’t be what’s to blame for it. More like not being able to beat the likes of Huddersfield and Burnley.

It does mean something as to gain Zero, points to a struggling team.

It means nothing we have thrown away points against teams around us. Beat Huddersfield both times another 4 points beat Burnley at home another 3. Theirfore we would be safe also much more important as they are more like 6 point swings in such games. You can write of the top 6 and just take any points as a bonus. You should be able to get to 11 or 12 wins from the other games you play and if you do then you will stay up.

The top 8 bit as I have already said is idiotic as the seasons not over and we have beaten both Leicester and Wolves who could well finish in it.

So getting ZERO points from the 45 points available means nothing ok

Pointless stat as the seasons not over. We have gained points against wolves and Leicester who could be top 8.

Big 6 is a diffrent matter but if we get relegated that won’t be what’s to blame for it. More like not being able to beat the likes of Huddersfield and Burnley.

It does mean something as to gain Zero, points to a struggling team.

It means nothing we have thrown away points against teams around us. Beat Huddersfield both times another 4 points beat Burnley at home another 3. Theirfore we would be safe also much more important as they are more like 6 point swings in such games. You can write of the top 6 and just take any points as a bonus. You should be able to get to 11 or 12 wins from the other games you play and if you do then you will stay up.

The top 8 bit as I have already said is idiotic as the seasons not over and we have beaten both Leicester and Wolves who could well finish in it.

So getting ZERO points from the 45 points available means nothing ok

Annis its well known that if can get points off top 6 clubs that can mean difference between staying up and going down? Our rivals have gained something from them and its the difference now.....

Pointless stat as the seasons not over. We have gained points against wolves and Leicester who could be top 8.

Big 6 is a diffrent matter but if we get relegated that won’t be what’s to blame for it. More like not being able to beat the likes of Huddersfield and Burnley.

It does mean something as to gain Zero, points to a struggling team.

It means nothing we have thrown away points against teams around us. Beat Huddersfield both times another 4 points beat Burnley at home another 3. Theirfore we would be safe also much more important as they are more like 6 point swings in such games. You can write of the top 6 and just take any points as a bonus. You should be able to get to 11 or 12 wins from the other games you play and if you do then you will stay up.

The top 8 bit as I have already said is idiotic as the seasons not over and we have beaten both Leicester and Wolves who could well finish in it.

So getting ZERO points from the 45 points available means nothing ok

Annis its well known that if can get points off top 6 clubs that can mean difference between staying up and going down? Our rivals have gained something from them and its the difference now.....

Spot on Allan

Cardiff City have gained zero points si far from the Top 8 clubs with just United left to play .

Thats Zero points from 45 points.

I have to be honest I was expecting us to get at least 4-6pts jut a couple of shocks from these 16 games.

come off it mate most people thought we would be down by xmas and some thought we might not get much more than 6 points in total..

Cardiff City have gained zero points si far from the Top 8 clubs with just United left to play .

Thats Zero points from 45 points.

I have to be honest I was expecting us to get at least 4-6pts jut a couple of shocks from these 16 games.

come off it mate most people thought we would be down by xmas and some thought we might not get much more than 6 points in total..

With a Championship squad from day one we hardly had a chance to stay up, but I am showing how badly, ZERO we did against the top 8 clubs, which in the past most clubs near the bottom always get some points of them.

But you’re original point of taking Zero points off the top 8 is wrong.wolves were 7th and we beat Wolves 2-1 at home.
We have had a hell of a season with the tragedy of Emilio Sala, the slow response of our club when Troy Deeny was available and Rondon at that time I believe they were valued at £30 million in the Summer transfer window.Troy Deeny was available and would have been perfect for Cardiff but Tan didn’t want to pay out £30 million. We struggled on till the next transfer window with loan signings, Camerassa a great loan signing,we are still in the fight with all remaining games and 9 possible points to play for.

Any Points teams take off the " Top 6 " is a bonus in this League - Just take a look how well ALL 6 have done in Europe this season .The other 2 could be any teams .

As long as we stay up - I Will be happy

Pointless stat as the seasons not over. We have gained points against wolves and Leicester who could be top 8.

Big 6 is a diffrent matter but if we get relegated that won’t be what’s to blame for it. More like not being able to beat the likes of Huddersfield and Burnley.

It does mean something as to gain Zero, points to a struggling team.

It means nothing we have thrown away points against teams around us. Beat Huddersfield both times another 4 points beat Burnley at home another 3. Theirfore we would be safe also much more important as they are more like 6 point swings in such games. You can write of the top 6 and just take any points as a bonus. You should be able to get to 11 or 12 wins from the other games you play and if you do then you will stay up.

The top 8 bit as I have already said is idiotic as the seasons not over and we have beaten both Leicester and Wolves who could well finish in it.

So getting ZERO points from the 45 points available means nothing ok

Your talking rubbish their are 12 games against top 6 teams so 36 points. If from the other 26 games you can’t get to 12 wins plus a few draws to get to the 38 points that will always guarantee safety then you don’t deserve to stay in the league it that simple. The top 8 talk was utter nonsense as the season wasn’t finished and we have beaten both Leicester and Wolves. Beating the teams around you is the most important W thing to stay up as it’s a 6 point swing. We have nobody to blame but ourselves if we go down given we dropped 4 points against Huddersfield and picked up zero against Burnley. Like I have already said change those results and we would be safe. Who is easier to beat Burnley or Man City?