“ What has changed? “

Another terrible performance and result tonight. Everton weren’t great, and were very much beatable.

Yet before these two games, we were playing really well and had a couple of great results.

So what has changed since then? It’s mostly the same players in the team.

The manager will rightly take much of the blame, not for only for his tactics, but it’s his job to keep the momentum going during the break - he failed.

Changed a winning team needlessly

Another terrible performance and result tonight. Everton weren’t great, and were very much beatable.

Yet before these two games, we were playing really well and had a couple of great results.

So what has changed since then? It’s mostly the same players in the team.

The manager will rightly take much of the blame, not for only for his tactics, but it’s his job to keep the momentum going during the break - he failed.

Nothing for me we didn’t play that well in the games we won Bournemouth maybe

We don’t have a given right to beat established premier league clubs even at home

No doubt there’s a massive gulf in quality been evident all season

If I was being totally harsh I’d say we are lacking in centre midfield. It's not the same without Camarasa in there in my honest opinion. We have no one to carry the ball; evidenced by Gunnarsons two rash shots today which he should have carried but didn't

Neil doing what he can to get his favourites in the team.

Too many changes

Playing favourites over form

Players out of position

90s tactics

Poor team selection

Poor substitutions

Championship mentality

Drop Morrison

Changed a winning team needlessly

This.

Prior to Morrison's absence, the defence line-up was always Manga-Morrison-Bamba-Bennett/Cunningham. While throughout the season the debate over whether Paterson is a natural right-back or not, the underlying question remains as to whether Manga is a right-back - to put it in simple terms: no. He hasn't got the explosive speed for it nor the mobility and even someone like Peltier really outshone him (not to say that Peliter isn't great, but he isn't everyone's cup of tea).
The quality of Manga I believe is still there, there have been times this season he has shown that (e.g. against Crystal Palace) and he looked far more comfortable in the centre-back role. Not perfect but in my opinion better suited than Morrison.
In my opinion, I would rather Bacuna or Paterson at right-back. Although I am aware that Paterson isn't a natural right-back, I would still rather him there as he is better suited for it.

During Morrison's absence, this was the case: Peltier-Manga-Bamba-Bennett. That back four isn't one which catches people's eyes but it is one which is capable of fulfilling the basic roles that defenders are expected to fulfill.

We don't need to field a team of stars to survive in the Premier League, we need to field a team that is capable of performing the basics: teams that get relegated from this league are teams who are prone to mistakes. Do the basics and you'll exploit the opposition.

Neil doing what he can to get his favourites in the team.

This is exactly the problem, 3 games we looked solid, decent and it’s no coincidence Morrison was out, he’s been rushed back and we have conceded 8! It’s as if he needs to shoehorn certain players in on times.

Another terrible performance and result tonight. Everton weren’t great, and were very much beatable.

Yet before these two games, we were playing really well and had a couple of great results.

So what has changed since then? It’s mostly the same players in the team.

The manager will rightly take much of the blame, not for only for his tactics, but it’s his job to keep the momentum going during the break - he failed.

Umm let me think, Sean Morrison in, defence basically fecked, togetherness gone as soon as he sets foot on the pitch. Off the pitch finger wagging with agents has painted a darker picture and out of adversity we are facing more adversity with outbursts from the manager slagging off players. Team spirit gone and primarily due to a manager who hasn’t got a fecking clue in the premier league tinkering out of desperation. Yes they may have needed a break post Soton, but the duration of it has wrecked us. Warnock and Morrison get lost, you are inept.

Neil doing what he can to get his favourites in the team.

This is exactly the problem, 3 games we looked solid, decent and it’s no coincidence Morrison was out, he’s been rushed back and we have conceded 8! It’s as if he needs to shoehorn certain players in on times.

Seems to have posted twice apologies

2 games prior forced change at centre back and new captain, leader.
Last 2 games Morrison back concede 8 goals and captain
The boys have no confidence in him, Neil sticks with him .
Why? Bluebirds til I die

That 2 week break came at tottaly the wrong time and needless changes to a solid defence. Since Warnock changed it we've conceded 8 goals.

I'm not Pelts biggest fan but he had his best game against Southampton and then he got dropped!

Makes no sense!

Warnock is human he makes mistakes.

We haven't the quality and need to play smart to win games. We haven't created again as we have two championship DCM's. He wants to play (IMO) 4231 but hasn't the ammunition.

We lose every game in the middle as we play with two winger (whoever we pick) who really don't win their battle as they are also championship.

Sol and Manga are our only players who look comfortable in the premier league but he pushes Manga to right back to accommodate Morrison who hasn't looked very comfortable at any point this season, its all a bit quick for him.

We have two loan players who look a step up but for whatever reason one was on the bench and the other is as robust as a chocolate teapot.

On paper we should be bottom, keep on picking Morrison and we may end up there.

Yes blame our inept defence but please dont forget how poor our midfield and attack was tonight now this is going to be a big test for Tan and Delmar,how much do they want to keep City in the Premiership,if they are sufficiently ambitious they have to get rid of Warnock anbd his team and do everything they can to find and bring in a coaching team who know how to handle the Premiership,i fear that Warnock has been allowed to create so much damage that we will go down eventually but surely to goodness we must not sleepwalk out of the best league in world football

Another terrible performance and result tonight. Everton weren’t great, and were very much beatable.

Yet before these two games, we were playing really well and had a couple of great results.

So what has changed since then? It’s mostly the same players in the team.

The manager will rightly take much of the blame, not for only for his tactics, but it’s his job to keep the momentum going during the break - he failed.

Nothing for me we didn’t play that well in the games we won Bournemouth maybe

We don’t have a given right to beat established premier league clubs even at home

No doubt there’s a massive gulf in quality been evident all season

If I was being totally harsh I’d say we are lacking inc enter midfield, not the same without camarasa in there in my honest opinion we have no one to carry the ball evident by gunnarsons two rash shots today should have carried but didnt

You’ve got to be kidding !?

A whole load has changed including CB partnership, formations and other personnel. The manager is changing too much, too often and the players look confused and disjointed.

Why so many changes when we were getting the types of results we need ?

The problem over the last 2 games is pretty obvious to see and fix

1. Morrison is not fit and should not be playing

2. Manga and Bamba are the best centre back partnership we have at the club and need to start.

3. Play a proper right back at right back.

4. Bacuna is not good enough at this level to compete with world class players, Arter and Gunnar are far superior and should play EVERY game unless injured.

5. Reid and Niasse should play as a pair upfront going forward

We just can't pass

Players won't take players on

Defenders read our long ball everytime

The unbelievable team picked against Watford was the change. Why oh why change a winning team

The interview with Warnock that Annis posted highlights that Warnock has been forced into wholesale changes due to a bug going around the squad. As Pelts is struggling to keep his food down, then it could be a Norovirus type bug, aka winter vomiting virus, which saps your energy levels. This could explain the omission of players over the last two games who always put in an energetic performance.

Interview with Warnock after the Watford game :-

1) Bobby Reid and Lee Peltier ok?

“Yes I think so. Pelts is probably the worst one. He ate something yesterday and hopefully he doesn’t bring it back up today!”

2) How are you looking ahead of tomorrow’s game?

“We’ve got a bit of a bug going round. One or two lads haven’t been in for a few days. You just don’t know with them, they can clear up overnight and it depends if they can eat stuff. Victor’s training now. I don’t really know about him yet, but he’s looking on song and back to normal. We’ve just got a few decisions to make. We’ve got two tough games with Wolves away on Saturday so I’ll be thinking about that as well with my selection because one or two lads have played a lot of games.”

3) Would Morrison have started if Peltier was fit?

“No he wouldn’t have. We worked on that on Friday but as soon as Pelts went down, I asked Mozza if he’d give us an hour and he ended up playing the full game.”

What has changed? Warnock lost the plot, that’s what.

Changed a winning team needlessly

A lot to be said on that, in hindsight I bet he wish he didn't cancel the warm weather training camp now the whole team seem distant on the pitch,we concede,heads down nobody balling at another player,I'm leaning towards some kind of rift in the changing room,perhaps with camerasa involved, just my opinion of course,but imho something isn't right

We played ok - but basic errors.
We dont have the ball and when we do get it back - we lose it again within 10 seconds.

They had 3 shots on target and score 3 times, I dont recall us having one shot on target.

Reid ran his socks off. Bennett made a couple of mistakes and all players were guilty of sloppy passes - or maybe Everton were good at closing us down. Im not sure why though, and why we cant adopt the same tactics / fitness levels.

I guess it's just that we are ring rusty when it comes to the PL and we wont get an extra second on the ball.

It matters not - we win lose and draw together. We get promoted and relegated together. Dont break the spirit of the team or the club - if that happens , it all becomes very fragmented.

Think of it as a challenge - not life or death

Whats changed well simply by putting in Morrison the dynamics of the team as changed bamba & manga have no confidence in Morrison and it shows! Now that's affecting way we play and unless NW reverts back to pre watford we got no chance staying up as shown against a poor Everton we couldn't muster a shot on target, our Southampton team would I'm sure have won tonight.

We played ok - but basic errors.
We dont have the ball and when we do get it back - we lose it again within 10 seconds.

They had 3 shots on target and score 3 times, I dont recall us having one shot on target.

Reid ran his socks off. Bennett made a couple of mistakes and all players were guilty of sloppy passes - or maybe Everton were good at closing us down. Im not sure why though, and why we cant adopt the same tactics / fitness levels.

I guess it's just that we are ring rusty when it comes to the PL and we wont get an extra second on the ball.

It matters not - we win lose and draw together. We get promoted and relegated together. Dont break the spirit of the team or the club - if that happens , it all becomes very fragmented.

Think of it as a challenge - not life or death

sort of agree with lots.

I do not understand the phrase...and why we can not adopt the same tactics and fitness levels though ..its not you, its a theme whenever we lose.. we are not as good technically to adopt the same tactics and therefore spend 2/3 rds of the game playing without the ball. its frustrating and draining for the players and nothing to do with being less fit.


for some reason there has to be blame.

very few posters seem willing to accept that 10 mill players are not as good as 30 mill players. and its all down to...tactics, passing more in training, a certain player, selection, the manager generally. a plan B...its not lack of quality and we quite simply are not as good its something you can put right and therefore someones fault for not putting it right..

should we stay up the very same people will then want us to spend oodles of cash..

why if its so simple to turn a decent championship team into one that can compete in the prem do we need to ever spend money ?

Paterson Camerasa Arter Ralls & Pelts will hopefully come in the side

I am not a doom mongerbefore anyone starts.
I put it down to Warnocks team selection and tactics, it is so obvious that Morrison coming back has changed things in defence,put that with dropping Arter and hisusual slagging of players i.e Victor the recipe for dissaster starts to take shape.
I love Neil one of our best managers my favourite along with May but i feel if we want to start about thinking about staying up something has to change fast.
Neil does not need this pressure what with things that have gone on, so take a step back sir Neil and relax on the farm.
And my solution would be to give big Sam the job untill end of season on say 500k and a 1million bonus if he keeps us up, he does like the sign of money,and known for fire saving.

Manga,Bamba or Morrison centre of defence. Manga not a right back . Morrison seems short on fitness and match awareness.

We kept on giving the ball away last night against a poor everton team

DROP MORRISON

Can't believe what I'm reading from most on here, all blaming Morrison, for two losses, he was one of the better players last night! Suddenly Peltier, is a great player, when he's been at best, average over the last two seasons. It's obvious that many in the team have dropped their levels of performance, which could be down to the bug flying around or complacency, we are giving the ball away too easily and creating chances for the opposition, we need to get back to basics and become a difficult team to score against and then try to snatch something from there. What really annoyes me, is that we win the ball, then instead of holding it and looking for the pass, its lumped forward, we are just creating our own pressure.

What really annoyes me, is that we win the ball, then instead of holding it and looking for the pass, its lumped forward, we are just creating our own pressure.

But that's exactly the difference with having Morrison at CB and the Manga/Bamba partnership.

Manga and Bamba can play with the ball at their feet, Morrison can't and it then effects the whole set-up as we revert to long humps forward that rarely reach another City player's feet.