Strikers at the Club

Just asking for a debate really, I don't profess to be a Football expert but do you think as a Club we have an issue with developing our Strikers. Are we failing them? Are they all as bad/disasters as people think? We have not had a striker score 20 goals in a season since Jay Bothroyd in 2010/11. Under 5 different managers, in all those seasons I think the best we have had is Kenwyne on 13.

We have had loads of Strikers come through the door here, many with fantastic records before they arrive then they come here and careers goes to pot.

Do you think the Club would benefit from bringing in a top quality striker coach, are the strikers being failed on the training ground? Or is it just that our style of play since the Jones days means we just don't play to the style of a goalscoring striker? Thoughts?

As you say at the end, we don't play that sort of football. We do score goals but it's spread round the whole team including defenders and similarly forward players are expected to tackle back so we can't have anyone goal hanging and the mindset is to get it into the net any way you can rather than feed a striker with chances.

As you say at the end, we don't play that sort of football. We do score goals but it's spread round the whole team including defenders and similarly forward players are expected to tackle back so we can't have anyone goal hanging and the mindset is to get it into the net any way you can rather than feed a striker with chances.

Think that's probs right, if not a bit concerning.

Not to have had a striker score more than 13 goals in the last 8 seasons is a poor return when you look at the money that's been pumped into the position.

As you say at the end, we don't play that sort of football. We do score goals but it's spread round the whole team including defenders and similarly forward players are expected to tackle back so we can't have anyone goal hanging and the mindset is to get it into the net any way you can rather than feed a striker with chances.

Think that's probs right, if not a bit concerning.

Not to have had a striker score more than 13 goals in the last 8 seasons is a poor return when you look at the money that's been pumped into the position.

When you look at the managers in that time they are not renowned for their attacking philosophy so as they say could have messi and still be lucky for him to score 15 goals in season. Untill we have a progressive young manager we will never have 15+ goal scorer even if they are good enough to achieve it.

I think you will find that there are only a handful of top clubs that have a 20 goal a season striker, any club out of the top few don't have one either


Mohamed Salah
Liverpool
17 Goals scored

Sergio Agüero
Man City
17 Goals scored

Harry Kane
Tottenham
15 Goals scored

Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
Arsenal
15 Goals scored

Eden Hazard
Chelsea
12 Goals scored

Raheem Sterling
Man City
12 Goals scored

Sadio Mané
Liverpool
12 Goals scored

Paul Pogba
Man Utd
11 Goals scored

Son Heung-Min
Tottenham
11 Goals scored

Alexandre Lacazette
Arsenal
10

I think you will find that there are only a handful of top clubs that have a 20 goal a season striker, any club out of the top few don't have one either


Mohamed Salah
Liverpool
17 Goals scored

Sergio Agüero
Man City
17 Goals scored

Harry Kane
Tottenham
15 Goals scored

Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
Arsenal
15 Goals scored

Eden Hazard
Chelsea
12 Goals scored

Raheem Sterling
Man City
12 Goals scored

Sadio Mané
Liverpool
12 Goals scored

Paul Pogba
Man Utd
11 Goals scored

Son Heung-Min
Tottenham
11 Goals scored

Alexandre Lacazette
Arsenal
10

I'm not talking about the Premier League per se, I'm talking about us as a Club in general since Dave Jones left.

The fact we havnt had a striker score more than 13 goals in a season since 10/11 is poor when you look at the money spent on the position.

But as I alluded to and others seem to agree its more to do with our style of play

As you say at the end, we don't play that sort of football. We do score goals but it's spread round the whole team including defenders and similarly forward players are expected to tackle back so we can't have anyone goal hanging and the mindset is to get it into the net any way you can rather than feed a striker with chances.

Think that's probs right, if not a bit concerning.

Not to have had a striker score more than 13 goals in the last 8 seasons is a poor return when you look at the money that's been pumped into the position.

When you look at the managers in that time they are not renowned for their attacking philosophy so as they say could have messi and still be lucky for him to score 15 goals in season. Untill we have a progressive young manager we will never have 15+ goal scorer even if they are good enough to achieve it.

Think that's probably about right Allan

Have any of the strikers we've signed since Dave Jones left ever scored 20+ goals in one season though out their carrer?
Apart from Kenny Miller in Scotland or Earnie who was passed it when he returned.
I think Nicky Maynard was the only proven regular goal scorer at the level we signed them for.

Have any of the strikers we've signed since Dave Jones left ever scored 20+ goals in one season though out their carrer?
Apart from Kenny Miller in Scotland or Earnie who was passed it when he returned.
I think Nicky Maynard was the only proven regular goal scorer at the level we signed them for.

We have signed to many to think of them all but yeah, off the top of my head Gestede, Frazer, Helguson, Cornelius, Le Fondre, Doyle, Javi Guerra, Lambert, Reid, there's probably more.

As you say at the end, we don't play that sort of football. We do score goals but it's spread round the whole team including defenders and similarly forward players are expected to tackle back so we can't have anyone goal hanging and the mindset is to get it into the net any way you can rather than feed a striker with chances.

Think that's probs right, if not a bit concerning.

Not to have had a striker score more than 13 goals in the last 8 seasons is a poor return when you look at the money that's been pumped into the position.

When you look at the managers in that time they are not renowned for their attacking philosophy so as they say could have messi and still be lucky for him to score 15 goals in season. Untill we have a progressive young manager we will never have 15+ goal scorer even if they are good enough to achieve it.

Think that's probably about right Allan

We've had Strikers better than some who score 20+ for lesser teams. Last promotion team think we had 6 players score ten goals or more which is crazy..

Have any of the strikers we've signed since Dave Jones left ever scored 20+ goals in one season though out their carrer?
Apart from Kenny Miller in Scotland or Earnie who was passed it when he returned.
I think Nicky Maynard was the only proven regular goal scorer at the level we signed them for.

We have signed to many to think of them all but yeah, off the top of my head Gestede, Frazer, Helguson, Cornelius, Le Fondre, Doyle, Javi Guerra, Lambert, Reid, there's probably more.

If you look at them Rudy scored 20 once, Frazer has never managed 20 in a season, Helguson's best return was 16, Doyle and Le Fondre were only prolific in the lower leagues. Conrnelius and Gurerra were never really given a chance. Lambert was passed it. Reid would benifit from more starts but you cant pay 10m and expect him to be scoring regular at this level.

As you say at the end, we don't play that sort of football. We do score goals but it's spread round the whole team including defenders and similarly forward players are expected to tackle back so we can't have anyone goal hanging and the mindset is to get it into the net any way you can rather than feed a striker with chances.

Think that's probs right, if not a bit concerning.

Not to have had a striker score more than 13 goals in the last 8 seasons is a poor return when you look at the money that's been pumped into the position.

When you look at the managers in that time they are not renowned for their attacking philosophy so as they say could have messi and still be lucky for him to score 15 goals in season. Untill we have a progressive young manager we will never have 15+ goal scorer even if they are good enough to achieve it.

Yeah but progressive young managers need progressive young players who cost anything up to £50 m each to bring in, and we haven't got that sort of money. The clever thing that's been done is to get this far with what we've got, and of course that means playing a kind of football which doesn't involve too much individual brilliance.
Progressive young manager playing attractive football without a lot of money gets you mid table Championship at best.

Have any of the strikers we've signed since Dave Jones left ever scored 20+ goals in one season though out their carrer?
Apart from Kenny Miller in Scotland or Earnie who was passed it when he returned.
I think Nicky Maynard was the only proven regular goal scorer at the level we signed them for.

We have signed to many to think of them all but yeah, off the top of my head Gestede, Frazer, Helguson, Cornelius, Le Fondre, Doyle, Javi Guerra, Lambert, Reid, there's probably more.

If you look at them Rudy scored 20 once, Frazer has never managed 20 in a season, Helguson's best return was 16, Doyle and Le Fondre were only prolific in the lower leagues. Conrnelius and Gurerra were never really given a chance. Lambert was passed it. Reid would benifit from more starts but you cant pay 10m and expect him to be scoring regular at this level.

Frazer scored 20 at Royal Antwerp and Helgusson did with Watford, I'm not disputing the levels, just replying to you're question.

I started the thread as I thiught it might be a good debate away from the norm, we have signed a shit load of strikers since 10/11 and the best return we have had is 13 goals, that includes two promotion seasons. I just wondered if people thought that pointed to a bigger problem within our coaching set up but out of those that have replied most seem to put it down to our style of play, I think I tend to agree.