' BACK TO OUR BAD OLD WAYS. '

' BACK TO OUR BAD OLD WAYS. '

Defensive wise, that was shocking last night, how manga couldn't get rid of the ball for the first goal and the second goal was comedy gold, we actually had an attacking free kick 40 yards out which bennet couldn't clear the first defender, the ball came out to the half way line where we had 3 against 1 and they still scored.

That's the third time we've conceded 5 at home and it's all too familier in the way we collapse defensively, what are they doing in training??? because many of these goals are basic school boy errors. I've said on this forum many times that warnock is way out of his depth in this league and last night was more proof of that, it was watfords biggest ever win since they've been in the premier league. Why did he bring morrison straight back into the side when in the last two games the back four have only conceded 1 goal?? why change murphy for hoiliet???

At home we have only led at half time ONCE this season, that is pathetic and tells me that warnock sets us up far too negative and allows the opposition to come onto us far too easily. I think we will need 38 points to stay up this season, after last night another 13 points seems a lifetime away.

When you come under pressure from superior opposition, you make mistakes. The 5 goal games expose it.
You can’t coach quality into a player.

Our defence has now conceded more goals than Huddersfield, says it all really. There have just been too many needless capitulations like last night. It's frankly unprofessional at home to get rolled over 1 v 5. I also think the decision to give the team a holiday over the past week was completely wrong too. A lack of sharpness and concentration all over the pitch was evident because the team have not been at it for the past week. Having a FA cup run helps teams to stay sharp, we missed having a game last week. Warnock's attitude to this competition is short sighted.

When you come under pressure from superior opposition, you make mistakes. The 5 goal games expose it.
You can’t coach quality into a player.

I'll agree with you about our lack of quality (camarasa is the only one we've got) but we are always coming under pressure because we lie back far too deep inviting teams onto us, at home we should at least be in the opponents faces.

Our defence has now conceded more goals than Huddersfield, says it all really. There have just been too many needless capitulations like last night. It's frankly unprofessional at home to get rolled over 1 v 5. I also think the decision to give the team a holiday over the past week was completely wrong too. A lack of sharpness and concentration all over the pitch was evident because the team have not been at it for the past week. Having a FA cup run helps teams to stay sharp, we missed having a game last week. Warnock's attitude to this competition is short sighted.

Totally agree with you.

I just hope that this is not the game that defines our season. Sometimes you can look back and say that everything stemmed from one particular game. I hope not everything is down hill from here, especially after we just had a couple of decent results. Was always going to be tough, things just got even tougher. Still hopeful we can get that 17th place but it will not be easy. Every game and every point is crucial, we cannot survive with performances like this.

Bamba and Manga were head and shoulders better than Morrison and Bennett.

Morrison is a clown and should not be anywhere near our team, he is NO captain, an absolute joker

Like Warnock hasn't done and amazing job with this squad so far.

Let's be honest, most of our starting 11 would struggle to get in alot of championship teams. Warnock has worked miracles this season, but last night he got it drastically wrong.

Bamba and Manga were head and shoulders better than Morrison and Bennett.

Morrison is a clown and should not be anywhere near our team, he is NO captain, an absolute joker

Morrison was even taking the long throws into the box last night, surely he should be in the box trying to get on the end of these.???

Having had our hopes boosted by previous back to back wins, this puts as back to earth with a bump.

The big question is will NW see what he did was wrong and revert back to previous side and not put in Morrison who lets be fair contribution last night was nil? Yes could still have lost as watford are very good side but at least wouldn't be open to the justified critism hes getting for changing side for no apparent reason... if he doesn't revert back my optimism for staying up will disappear as feel we will struggle to win anymore games.

The big question is will NW see what he did was wrong and revert back to previous side and not put in Morrison who lets be fair contribution last night was nil? Yes could still have lost as watford are very good side but at least wouldn't be open to the justified critism hes getting for changing side for no apparent reason... if he doesn't revert back my optimism for staying up will disappear as feel we will struggle to win anymore games.

Alan, it's the way we are losing these games that worries me, we go a goal behind and the whole structure of the team seems to go down the pan, we can see this, surely the coaching staff can as well and if so why aren't they changing things before the games gone???

The big question is will NW see what he did was wrong and revert back to previous side and not put in Morrison who lets be fair contribution last night was nil? Yes could still have lost as watford are very good side but at least wouldn't be open to the justified critism hes getting for changing side for no apparent reason... if he doesn't revert back my optimism for staying up will disappear as feel we will struggle to win anymore games.

Alan, it's the way we are losing these games that worries me, we go a goal behind and the whole structure of the team seems to go down the pan, we can see this, surely the coaching staff can as well and if so why aren't they changing things before the games gone???

Like all managers NW as set substitutions in players and Times although did change that last night, but tbh it was to irrelevant as game was lost long before that as we looked confused hesitant in defences all night compared to previous couple games and only matter of time before they scored in 2nd half ! They simply changed tactics and game over as we had no answer to them. Don't think Pen decision would changed result they were to good for us

' BACK TO OUR BAD OLD WAYS. '

Defensive wise, that was shocking last night, how manga couldn't get rid of the ball for the first goal and the second goal was comedy gold, we actually had an attacking free kick 40 yards out which bennet couldn't clear the first defender, the ball came out to the half way line where we had 3 against 1 and they still scored.

That's the third time we've conceded 5 at home and it's all too familier in the way we collapse defensively, what are they doing in training??? because many of these goals are basic school boy errors. I've said on this forum many times that warnock is way out of his depth in this league and last night was more proof of that, it was watfords biggest ever win since they've been in the premier league. Why did he bring morrison straight back into the side when in the last two games the back four have only conceded 1 goal?? why change murphy for hoiliet???

At home we have only led at half time ONCE this season, that is pathetic and tells me that warnock sets us up far too negative and allows the opposition to come onto us far too easily. I think we will need 38 points to stay up this season, after last night another 13 points seems a lifetime away.

tells you...well it tells me we are not very good and our manager unlike those living with the fairies ,knows this.

' BACK TO OUR BAD OLD WAYS. '

Defensive wise, that was shocking last night, how manga couldn't get rid of the ball for the first goal and the second goal was comedy gold, we actually had an attacking free kick 40 yards out which bennet couldn't clear the first defender, the ball came out to the half way line where we had 3 against 1 and they still scored.

That's the third time we've conceded 5 at home and it's all too familier in the way we collapse defensively, what are they doing in training??? because many of these goals are basic school boy errors. I've said on this forum many times that warnock is way out of his depth in this league and last night was more proof of that, it was watfords biggest ever win since they've been in the premier league. Why did he bring morrison straight back into the side when in the last two games the back four have only conceded 1 goal?? why change murphy for hoiliet???

At home we have only led at half time ONCE this season, that is pathetic and tells me that warnock sets us up far too negative and allows the opposition to come onto us far too easily. I think we will need 38 points to stay up this season, after last night another 13 points seems a lifetime away.

tells you...well it tells me we are not very good and our manager unlike those living with the fairies ,knows this.

Fair point, although i do expect a "warnock team" to at least give it a go, make things difficult for opponents, be in their faces etc, not roll over and collapse.

Our defence has now conceded more goals than Huddersfield, says it all really. There have just been too many needless capitulations like last night. It's frankly unprofessional at home to get rolled over 1 v 5. I also think the decision to give the team a holiday over the past week was completely wrong too. A lack of sharpness and concentration all over the pitch was evident because the team have not been at it for the past week. Having a FA cup run helps teams to stay sharp, we missed having a game last week. Warnock's attitude to this competition is short sighted.

That we have conceded more than Huddersfield is incredible.

If Bacuna was bought as a full back then he needs to play there and last night was a chance to do that if Peltier was injured without disrupting the defence too much but Warnock has to find a way of shoehorning Morrison into the team so that instead of just one alteration to the back four we now have two, with Morrison returning and Bruno going to right back where he has shown all season he is completely unsuited.

If Bacuna was not bought as a full back then what was the point in getting him at all?

Forgetting the Sala transfer for a moment it was another abysmal transfer window because from about October onwards it should have been clear to everybody except a blind man that we not only needed a proper right back but definitely another centre half as well.

[quote="pembroke allan"]The big question is will NW see what he did was wrong and revert back to previous side and not put in Morrison who lets be fair contribution last night was nil? Yes could still have lost as watford are very good side but at least wouldn't be open to the justified critism hes getting for changing side for no apparent reason... if he doesn't revert back my optimism for staying up will disappear as feel we will struggle to win anymore games.[/quote

I'm certain he won't. You can almost guarantee that Morrison will be in the team that starts on Tuesday.

I will be absolutely gobsmacked if Warnock drops him.

The big question is will NW see what he did was wrong and revert back to previous side and not put in Morrison who lets be fair contribution last night was nil? Yes could still have lost as watford are very good side but at least wouldn't be open to the justified critism hes getting for changing side for no apparent reason... if he doesn't revert back my optimism for staying up will disappear as feel we will struggle to win anymore games.[/quote

I'm certain he won't. You can almost guarantee that Morrison will be in the team that starts on Tuesday.

I will be absolutely gobsmacked if Warnock drops him.

David you could see the confusion and hesitancy at the back from the start? This was not present in previous 5 games that Morrison didn't play! Can only draw one conclusion to that fact, like said can anyone say he contributed anything useful to the team last night?

PEMBROKE ALLAN

could not agree more with you, totally shambolic at the back with morrissons inclusion surely neil and his staff could see it was back to panic stations and who's marking who stare's from each other as if they where saying it was your fault not mine, my heart sank at last nights lineup Morrison disrupting the back, no fighting gunners, and no reid , i new this 2 week break would f.ck up out momentum , our momw tum was built up last season playing 2 games a week i don' t think the prem fixtures are suiting us Friday sunday saturday lunch or early e evening games etc, in the championship it was a regular repeat sat afternoon tuesday night.

' BACK TO OUR BAD OLD WAYS. '

Defensive wise, that was shocking last night, how manga couldn't get rid of the ball for the first goal and the second goal was comedy gold, we actually had an attacking free kick 40 yards out which bennet couldn't clear the first defender, the ball came out to the half way line where we had 3 against 1 and they still scored.

That's the third time we've conceded 5 at home and it's all too familier in the way we collapse defensively, what are they doing in training??? because many of these goals are basic school boy errors. I've said on this forum many times that warnock is way out of his depth in this league and last night was more proof of that, it was watfords biggest ever win since they've been in the premier league. Why did he bring morrison straight back into the side when in the last two games the back four have only conceded 1 goal?? why change murphy for hoiliet???

At home we have only led at half time ONCE this season, that is pathetic and tells me that warnock sets us up far too negative and allows the opposition to come onto us far too easily. I think we will need 38 points to stay up this season, after last night another 13 points seems a lifetime away.

tells you...well it tells me we are not very good and our manager unlike those living with the fairies ,knows this.

Fair point, although i do expect a "warnock team" to at least give it a go, make things difficult for opponents, be in their faces etc, not roll over and collapse.

the second goal killed us...yes they were technically better but we were in that game until that goal..then you start taking risks and get shredded ,its whats happened every time we open up a little and have tried to get back into a game.


the whole reaction has been way over the top.. they{the players } did try we scored late, had attacks.

Our defence has now conceded more goals than Huddersfield, says it all really. There have just been too many needless capitulations like last night. It's frankly unprofessional at home to get rolled over 1 v 5. I also think the decision to give the team a holiday over the past week was completely wrong too. A lack of sharpness and concentration all over the pitch was evident because the team have not been at it for the past week. Having a FA cup run helps teams to stay sharp, we missed having a game last week. Warnock's attitude to this competition is short sighted.

Totally agree with you.

Me too,should have gone warm weather training instead,and stop feckin messing around with selection,blind faith in Morrison could cost us,Arter is simply not an attacking midfielder, the sooner camarasa is fit,the better too,we have missed him.

I just hope that this is not the game that defines our season. Sometimes you can look back and say that everything stemmed from one particular game. I hope not everything is down hill from here, especially after we just had a couple of decent results. Was always going to be tough, things just got even tougher. Still hopeful we can get that 17th place but it will not be easy. Every game and every point is crucial, we cannot survive with performances like this.

For me the Southampton game was going to define our season. Last minute winner, 3rd good performance in a row, Peltier outstanding, Back 5 solid, forward players becoming available. High hopes for Watford until NW pressed the reset button an hour before ko
I've got no idea what to expect on Tuesday now