VAR

How people can object to var is beyond me, I'll take an occasional stop start sequence in football over that missed penalty any day of the week.

How people can object to var is beyond me, I'll take an occasional stop start sequence in football over that missed penalty any day of the week.

Apparently var would have shown initial contact was outside box? Just someone on five lives opinion so possibly pen wouldn't have been given.. and shouldn't have needed var last night it was that obvious

Initial contact could have been on the half way line mate it's irrelevant, if it continues into the box it's a pen. And yeah it was obvious that's why VAR is being put in place, to sort out the clear and obvious ones that the refs for whatever reason mess up.

At the end of the day. The sums of money involved, the fall out so great that wrong decisions are no longer an option. Sure var will get some wrong too. But I'll bet it's less than what happens now.
Much smaller sports use similar technology successfully

Initial contact could have been on the half way line mate it's irrelevant, if it continues into the box it's a pen. And yeah it was obvious that's why VAR is being put in place, to sort out the clear and obvious ones that the refs for whatever reason mess up.

Yes but the same thing applies to var as to a ref? Its down to interpretation one var official could say outside box another could say inside. You saw it happen several times in world cup.! Would love to see the reaction of players and crowd to the incident last week where man c scored but var was looking at incident 45 sec ealier in man c area! Luckily it decided no pen and goal stood but if went other way god knows reaction of man c.....

Can’t wait for it to happen.

Mistakes will be made at first but there will be more correct decisions than there are now.

Anyone who doesn’t want it are dinosaurs and need to get into the 21st Century.

Yes but the same thing applies to var as to a ref? Its down to interpretation one var official could say outside box another could say inside. You saw it happen several times in world cup.! Would love to see the reaction of players and crowd to the incident last week where man c scored but var was looking at incident 45 sec ealier in man c area! Luckily it decided no pen and goal stood but if went other way god knows reaction of man c.....

If you're watching it back on a slow mo camera with the ability to freeze frame, finding out if something is inside or outside the box is going to be a hell of a lot easier than with the naked eye so not sure what you're getting at there...

The ref in the City vs watford game went over to warnock and admitted that after watching it back he got it wrong, in other words if he'd been able to watch it back and make a better informed decision with better view of the foul he would have given a pen. I imagine it's same with the fulham handball, ref didn't see it in real time but on watching it back he would have been better informed to make a decision. (Not that I'm complaining so much about that one for obvious reasons).

Like someone mentioned of course there will still be errors, but in a day and age where jobs are lost and lives changed when teams are relegated and promoted, refs should have the tools to make sure they get every chance to make the most informed decision possible.

Yes but the same thing applies to var as to a ref? Its down to interpretation one var official could say outside box another could say inside. You saw it happen several times in world cup.! Would love to see the reaction of players and crowd to the incident last week where man c scored but var was looking at incident 45 sec ealier in man c area! Luckily it decided no pen and goal stood but if went other way god knows reaction of man c.....

If you're watching it back on a slow mo camera with the ability to freeze frame, finding out if something is inside or outside the box is going to be a hell of a lot easier than with the naked eye so not sure what you're getting at there...

The ref in the City vs watford game went over to warnock and admitted that after watching it back he got it wrong, in other words if he'd been able to watch it back and make a better informed decision with better view of the foul he would have given a pen. I imagine it's same with the fulham handball, ref didn't see it in real time but on watching it back he would have been better informed to make a decision. (Not that I'm complaining so much about that one for obvious reasons).

Like someone mentioned of course there will still be errors, but in a day and age where jobs are lost and lives changed when teams are relegated and promoted, refs should have the tools to make sure they get every chance to make the most informed decision possible.

Getting fact that the incident started outside box so a var official could as easily say incident outside box as youve said errors happen dont they? And seriously did ref need to look at the incident on tv to know he was wrong? Hes 10yds away looking at it he was only person in stadium who did not see it was a penalty! As people saud shouldn't be refereeing if cannot see it!! As for var in general hope advocates of it say same when their team gets relegated because var spotted an innocuous handball ect ect as you say could cost manager his job and cost club 100m

Initial contact could have been on the half way line mate it's irrelevant, if it continues into the box it's a pen. And yeah it was obvious that's why VAR is being put in place, to sort out the clear and obvious ones that the refs for whatever reason mess up.

Absolutely wrong. a penalty is only awarded when a foul occurs in the penalty area!

WHU - Would have had 1 goal chalked off on Friday night .

Initial contact could have been on the half way line mate it's irrelevant, if it continues into the box it's a pen. And yeah it was obvious that's why VAR is being put in place, to sort out the clear and obvious ones that the refs for whatever reason mess up.

Absolutely wrong. a penalty is only awarded when a foul occurs in the penalty area!

Gov the point of this post is var is about opinion same as refs opinion other night ! var if used could quite easily have said outside box if thats case fans will still have same debate as we are now about decision being wrong by ref, not a fan of var debate is part if football and var does work both ways l? Said other week man c scored but 45secs before that there was incident in other area var ruled no pen but what's the reaction to it if gave pen for debatable incident and rule out goal?

Initial contact could have been on the half way line mate it's irrelevant, if it continues into the box it's a pen. And yeah it was obvious that's why VAR is being put in place, to sort out the clear and obvious ones that the refs for whatever reason mess up.

Absolutely wrong. a penalty is only awarded when a foul occurs in the penalty area!

Initial contact could have been on the half way line mate it's irrelevant, if it continues into the box it's a pen. And yeah it was obvious that's why VAR is being put in place, to sort out the clear and obvious ones that the refs for whatever reason mess up.

Initial contact could have been on the half way line mate it's irrelevant, if it continues into the box it's a pen. And yeah it was obvious that's why VAR is being put in place, to sort out the clear and obvious ones that the refs for whatever reason mess up.

Absolutely wrong. a penalty is only awarded when a foul occurs in the penalty area!

Initial contact could have been on the half way line mate it's irrelevant, if it continues into the box it's a pen. And yeah it was obvious that's why VAR is being put in place, to sort out the clear and obvious ones that the refs for whatever reason mess up.

So your saying var would not call foul outside area you 100% positive they will always say pen? And take look at var decision for 2nd real pen tonight whos making decisions ref or var? Ref 3yds away and var told him player fell over from touching defenders shoe lace!

Initial contact could have been on the half way line mate it's irrelevant, if it continues into the box it's a pen. And yeah it was obvious that's why VAR is being put in place, to sort out the clear and obvious ones that the refs for whatever reason mess up.

Absolutely wrong. a penalty is only awarded when a foul occurs in the penalty area!

Initial contact could have been on the half way line mate it's irrelevant, if it continues into the box it's a pen. And yeah it was obvious that's why VAR is being put in place, to sort out the clear and obvious ones that the refs for whatever reason mess up.

So your saying var would not call foul outside area you 100% positive they will always say pen? And take look at var decision for 2nd real pen tonight whos making decisions ref or var? Ref 3yds away and var told him player fell over from touching defenders shoe lace!

what are you on about pal I'm saying if the contact continues into the box it's a pen, I wasn't even mentioning VAR in the bit I underlined.. I didn't watch the Real game so can't comment on that incident, but I will say it's ALWAYS the ref that makes the decisions if that answers your question? VAR has a criteria it uses to bring things to attention to ref, ref makes decisions?

If you have referee's making wrong decisions after consulting VAR it's shit refereeing not VAR's fault

Initial contact could have been on the half way line mate it's irrelevant, if it continues into the box it's a pen. And yeah it was obvious that's why VAR is being put in place, to sort out the clear and obvious ones that the refs for whatever reason mess up.

Absolutely wrong. a penalty is only awarded when a foul occurs in the penalty area!

Yep. Its where the first contact is made

Will probably ruin football as I know it, all this stop start nonsense but only sometimes, still regular mistakes in games. A huge no for me. Yes it may have effected the game but its no excuse for falling apart.

How people can object to var is beyond me, I'll take an occasional stop start sequence in football over that missed penalty any day of the week.

Will you say that when (as recently) a 'clear' decision could go against us?

I'm against VAR in the main; the game has managed without it until now and only the Sky paymasters are really pushing for it in their increasing efforts to 'control' the game, how it's played and (worse) who is welcome into 'their club'

Referees are no different to players; they make 'honest' errors and that is part and parcel of the real game of football rather than the contrived!

Initial contact could have been on the half way line mate it's irrelevant, if it continues into the box it's a pen. And yeah it was obvious that's why VAR is being put in place, to sort out the clear and obvious ones that the refs for whatever reason mess up.

Absolutely wrong. a penalty is only awarded when a foul occurs in the penalty area!

Initial contact could have been on the half way line mate it's irrelevant, if it continues into the box it's a pen. And yeah it was obvious that's why VAR is being put in place, to sort out the clear and obvious ones that the refs for whatever reason mess up.

So your saying var would not call foul outside area you 100% positive they will always say pen? And take look at var decision for 2nd real pen tonight whos making decisions ref or var? Ref 3yds away and var told him player fell over from touching defenders shoe lace!

what are you on about pal I'm saying if the contact continues into the box it's a pen, I wasn't even mentioning VAR in the bit I underlined.. I didn't watch the Real game so can't comment on that incident, but I will say it's ALWAYS the ref that makes the decisions if that answers your question? VAR has a criteria it uses to bring things to attention to ref, ref makes decisions?

If you have referee's making wrong decisions after consulting VAR it's shit refereeing not VAR's fault

There are lots of examples of the ref not giving pen in situation we are discussing! As for refs making wrong decision after var whos to say ref is wrong ? Like said all decisions are a matter of perspective! Wether its a var official or the ref, as for var making decisions if ref does not give pen but var looks at it
But ref doesn't review incident on screen it as to be var who says its s pen ect rct again plenty of incidents to support fact var do make decisions not ref.!
And yes maybe by letter of the law its a pen if incident carries on in pen area but its not always given and var wont change that .