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Massive call to make for Neil Warnock on Saturday

Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:41 pm

After the performances of the team today how does he fit Arter and Camarasa back into the starting 11?

Nobody deserves to lose there place but we need them both back in the team.

We cant lose Gunnarsson and in fairness the front 4 who played today should start again and develop in that system as we looked dangerous going forward.

I think Arter should Replace Ralls even though he was very good today.

Camarasa is a harder choice because wherever you fit him in takes somebody else out of position

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:44 pm

thomasblue wrote:After the performances of the team today how does he fit Arter and Camarasa back into the starting 11?

Nobody deserves to lose there place but we need them both back in the team.

We cant lose Gunnarsson and in fairness the front 4 who played today should start again and develop in that system as we looked dangerous going forward.

I think Arter should Replace Ralls even though he was very good today.

Camarasa is a harder choice because wherever you fit him in takes somebody else out of position


I think at times Gunnarsson looked out of his depth, even though he had a solid game some of his decisions and defending were questionable, not taking away from the overall performance at all

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:57 pm

Arter will come in for Ralls, as good as Ralls was today.

Think he’ll find a place for Camarasa, but it’s difficult to work out where.

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:05 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:Arter will come in for Ralls, as good as Ralls was today.

Think he’ll find a place for Camarasa, but it’s difficult to work out where.


The only place I can see is Patterson dropping and Reid going out on the right. I think that will be a mistake but Camarasa has to play imo

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:21 pm

Camarasa for Paterson

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:23 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:Arter will come in for Ralls, as good as Ralls was today.

Think he’ll find a place for Camarasa, but it’s difficult to work out where.


Arter go cover Gunnars role and Camarasa to come in for Ralls I guess ?

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:52 pm

Etheridge

Peltier
Manga
Bamba
Bennett

Arter
Gunnarsson

Murphy
Camarasa

Reid
Niasse

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:04 am

snoopystorm wrote:
thomasblue wrote:After the performances of the team today how does he fit Arter and Camarasa back into the starting 11?

Nobody deserves to lose there place but we need them both back in the team.

We cant lose Gunnarsson and in fairness the front 4 who played today should start again and develop in that system as we looked dangerous going forward.

I think Arter should Replace Ralls even though he was very good today.

Camarasa is a harder choice because wherever you fit him in takes somebody else out of position


I think at times Gunnarsson looked out of his depth, even though he had a solid game some of his decisions and defending were questionable, not taking away from the overall performance at all


First half he struggled, but grew into the game.

For me Arter comes in for Ralls (no fault of Ralls) and Camarasa for Murphy just because its away.

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:48 am

Patterson needs to stay on, he gets everywhere and epitomises the team spirit which gets us points.

Gunnerson and Ralls are probably the weakest in the team.

However, I'd remain unchanged in the first 11 for Saturday and make some early changes.
Gunnerson can run his heart out for 60 minutes then bring on Arter.

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:58 am

Paterson to stay he wins a lot of headers that Reid and Niasse feed off .....Arter for Gunnars and Camarasa for Murphy for me

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:50 am

4 more wins and the odd draw and we are over the finish line. We have taken some big hits but the bluebird family have stood strong.
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Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:01 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:Arter will come in for Ralls, as good as Ralls was today.

Think he’ll find a place for Camarasa, but it’s difficult to work out where.


I liked Gunnar when he came back from his injury but he looked sloppy yesterday. He's played alot why not bench him ?

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:03 am

BlueMoon1974 wrote:4 more wins and the odd draw and we are over the finish line. We have taken some big hits but the bluebird family have stood strong.



This, this and a million times this. Dunno if Arter is that defensive but fook it. :ayatollah:

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:54 pm

Not sure this formation will work away.

I would like the 532 we used v Arsenal.

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:31 pm

snoopystorm wrote:
thomasblue wrote:After the performances of the team today how does he fit Arter and Camarasa back into the starting 11?

Nobody deserves to lose there place but we need them both back in the team.

We cant lose Gunnarsson and in fairness the front 4 who played today should start again and develop in that system as we looked dangerous going forward.

I think Arter should Replace Ralls even though he was very good today.

Camarasa is a harder choice because wherever you fit him in takes somebody else out of position


I think at times Gunnarsson looked out of his depth, even though he had a solid game some of his decisions and defending were questionable, not taking away from the overall performance at all


I have to say I see where you are coming from with 'Gunnar' and although I thought he battled well for the team, he did make a couple of glaring errors and was left behind by the Bournemouth attack on a few occasions

It's a tough one for the manager on Saturday but it will be tough for anyone to be left out after the Bournemouth performance and I wouldn't be too surprised to see the same side start the game at least :thumbright:

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:41 pm

Sven wrote:
snoopystorm wrote:
thomasblue wrote:After the performances of the team today how does he fit Arter and Camarasa back into the starting 11?

Nobody deserves to lose there place but we need them both back in the team.

We cant lose Gunnarsson and in fairness the front 4 who played today should start again and develop in that system as we looked dangerous going forward.

I think Arter should Replace Ralls even though he was very good today.

Camarasa is a harder choice because wherever you fit him in takes somebody else out of position


I think at times Gunnarsson looked out of his depth, even though he had a solid game some of his decisions and defending were questionable, not taking away from the overall performance at all


I have to say I see where you are coming from with 'Gunnar' and although I thought he battled well for the team, he did make a couple of glaring errors and was left behind by the Bournemouth attack on a few occasions

It's a tough one for the manager on Saturday but it will be tough for anyone to be left out after the Bournemouth performance and I wouldn't be too surprised to see the same side start the game at least :thumbright:



When you think that arguably our best midfielder Arter can’t even get into Bouremouth’s 25 it’s no surprise really. I though Gunnar tried really hard as one of two midfielders.

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:59 pm

On FIFA 19, Arter is the best rated so he has to be picked.

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:37 pm

maccydee wrote:
Sven wrote:
snoopystorm wrote:
thomasblue wrote:After the performances of the team today how does he fit Arter and Camarasa back into the starting 11?

Nobody deserves to lose there place but we need them both back in the team.

We cant lose Gunnarsson and in fairness the front 4 who played today should start again and develop in that system as we looked dangerous going forward.

I think Arter should Replace Ralls even though he was very good today.

Camarasa is a harder choice because wherever you fit him in takes somebody else out of position


I think at times Gunnarsson looked out of his depth, even though he had a solid game some of his decisions and defending were questionable, not taking away from the overall performance at all


I have to say I see where you are coming from with 'Gunnar' and although I thought he battled well for the team, he did make a couple of glaring errors and was left behind by the Bournemouth attack on a few occasions

It's a tough one for the manager on Saturday but it will be tough for anyone to be left out after the Bournemouth performance and I wouldn't be too surprised to see the same side start the game at least :thumbright:



When you think that arguably our best midfielder Arter can’t even get into Bouremouth’s 25 it’s no surprise really. I though Gunnar tried really hard as one of two midfielders.


I dont think Arter is not making the Bournemouth squad because he is not good enough, I think it is because he doesn't suit the way they play

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:43 pm

Llan_Blue wrote:Etheridge

Peltier
Manga
Bamba
Bennett

Arter
Gunnarsson

Murphy
Camarasa

Reid
Niasse

Agree

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:56 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Llan_Blue wrote:Etheridge

Peltier
Manga
Bamba
Bennett

Arter
Gunnarsson

Murphy
Camarasa

Reid
Niasse

Agree


The problem with this lineup is what shape will they take.

Reid is obviously better playing behind a main striker as proven in the last 2 games. Neither he or Camarasa are suited to playing wide right. So 442 is out of the question as is 433.

Possibly a xmas tree 4321 formation with both Reid and Camarasa behind Niasse in open roles but that leaves no wingers so Murphy wouldn't suit the formation.

I cant see that team working without giving up major qualities of the players chosen

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:00 pm

I would go 4321 and give our midfield a bit more bite allowing Reid and Camarasa to supply Niasse

Etheridge

Peltier
Manga
Bamba
Bennett

Ralls
Gunnarsson
Arter

Reid
Camarasa

Niasse

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:10 pm

Don't change a winning team when it's just getting momentum and balance.
You don't just pick your best eleven players, there's more to it than that.

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:32 pm

SirJimmySchoular wrote:Don't change a winning team when it's just getting momentum and balance.
You don't just pick your best eleven players, there's more to it than that.


How can you not play our best 2 midfielders who are fit and have had a rest ?
Best 11 every game for me regardless of how loyal or likeable they are.

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:36 pm

thomasblue wrote:I would go 4321 and give our midfield a bit more bite allowing Reid and Camarasa to supply Niasse

Etheridge

Peltier
Manga
Bamba
Bennett

Ralls
Gunnarsson
Arter

Reid
Camarasa

Niasse


Where’s the width?

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:46 pm

maccydee wrote:
thomasblue wrote:I would go 4321 and give our midfield a bit more bite allowing Reid and Camarasa to supply Niasse

Etheridge

Peltier
Manga
Bamba
Bennett

Ralls
Gunnarsson
Arter

Reid
Camarasa

Niasse


Where’s the width?


Exactly
That's why I said in the original post he has a massive decision to make.
We need both imo but it is going to come at a price one way or the other. Either in playing someone out of position, dropping someone harshly or changing shape

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:37 am

thomasblue wrote:
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Don't change a winning team when it's just getting momentum and balance.
You don't just pick your best eleven players, there's more to it than that.


How can you not play our best 2 midfielders who are fit and have had a rest ?
Best 11 every game for me regardless of how loyal or likeable they are.



It's not because they're loyal or likeable, it's because they've got a rhythm going and so you don't want to interrupt that as long as it's still working. That's a pretty widely accepted thing. It's not a question of dropping Harry or Victor. They'd be on the bench if possible and of course they'd be worked back in at the right moment because I certainly agree that they're probably our two best players, and in general terms they're obviously included in the first team.
Same reason that you don't put a substitute on just before a free kick or a corner.
Irrespective of individual abilities, I expect you'd agree that the overall performance of the team in the last two games was the best we've seen this season, so I'd recommend keeping that going until it becomes necessary to alter it, ( which it will )

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:07 am

Start the same team as nobody deserves to be dropped. Both good options from the bench though and may get back in the team over Gunner and Ralls in the coming weeks. Please keep the same formation though don’t change it about just to get people back in the team.

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:34 am

thomasblue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Llan_Blue wrote:Etheridge

Peltier
Manga
Bamba
Bennett

Arter
Gunnarsson

Murphy
Camarasa

Reid
Niasse

Agree


The problem with this lineup is what shape will they take.

Reid is obviously better playing behind a main striker as proven in the last 2 games. Neither he or Camarasa are suited to playing wide right. So 442 is out of the question as is 433.

Possibly a xmas tree 4321 formation with both Reid and Camarasa behind Niasse in open roles but that leaves no wingers so Murphy wouldn't suit the formation.

I cant see that team working without giving up major qualities of the players chosen

Camarasa has played outwide loads of games this season.

Camarasa on the right Murphy on the left.

Niasse upfront with Reid playing off him.

With Camarasa and Niasse in the same team I think we can go up another level. Niasse was making brilliant runs all game and he was either not seen or given a shit ball a lot of the time.

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:41 am

Llan_Blue wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Llan_Blue wrote:Etheridge

Peltier
Manga
Bamba
Bennett

Arter
Gunnarsson

Murphy
Camarasa

Reid
Niasse

Agree


The problem with this lineup is what shape will they take.

Reid is obviously better playing behind a main striker as proven in the last 2 games. Neither he or Camarasa are suited to playing wide right. So 442 is out of the question as is 433.

Possibly a xmas tree 4321 formation with both Reid and Camarasa behind Niasse in open roles but that leaves no wingers so Murphy wouldn't suit the formation.

I cant see that team working without giving up major qualities of the players chosen

Camarasa has played outwide loads of games this season.

Camarasa on the right Murphy on the left.

Niasse upfront with Reid playing off him.

With Camarasa and Niasse in the same team I think we can go up another level. Niasse was making brilliant runs all game and he was either not seen or given a shit ball a lot of the time.


He did play out on the right but it happened to be his most ineffective games for us . As soon as he went back in his natural position he excelled. Same for Bobby Reid, he was poor out on the right and its mo coincidence his best two games have come when hes played behind a striker in a free role.
Neither are suited to the right hand side in our team

Re: Massive call to make for Warnock saturday

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:03 am

SirJimmySchoular wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Don't change a winning team when it's just getting momentum and balance.
You don't just pick your best eleven players, there's more to it than that.


How can you not play our best 2 midfielders who are fit and have had a rest ?
Best 11 every game for me regardless of how loyal or likeable they are.



It's not because they're loyal or likeable, it's because they've got a rhythm going and so you don't want to interrupt that as long as it's still working. That's a pretty widely accepted thing. It's not a question of dropping Harry or Victor. They'd be on the bench if possible and of course they'd be worked back in at the right moment because I certainly agree that they're probably our two best players, and in general terms they're obviously included in the first team.
Same reason that you don't put a substitute on just before a free kick or a corner.
Irrespective of individual abilities, I expect you'd agree that the overall performance of the team in the last two games was the best we've seen this season, so I'd recommend keeping that going until it becomes necessary to alter it, ( which it will )


Totally with this
The past two performances have arguably been our better ones this season
I’m just worried if we change it just to accomodate the others we would revert to a more containing game which as we know doesn’t really suit us

The past two performances especially on Saturday has given me great hope that we’ll stay up , so why change it