‘ Money should now be available ‘

Cardiff City Players so far loaned out this January and all big earners doing nothing

With Gary Madine Confirmed to Sheffield United

Lee Tomlin to Peterborough


And looking like Anthony Pilkington to Ipswich Town

And still a few more to go out.


In My Opinion:

There can No excuses regarding money to pay wages and even without these players going out, with the big money City have and are receiving for being in the Premier League, we should be strengthening anyway if Cardiff want to stay up in the Premier League.


I know there are those who say we should not spend etc but if relegated we are not guaranteed to return, No club ever are and it won’t encourage our support to keep backing our club in such massive numbers .

I have no issue with us spending big wages on a loan signing.

I appreciate we will need to give decent wages for decent players but Warnock brought Medine and Tomlin to the club and decided not to use them, chucking wages at someone else may just put us in the same situation with players on big wages not wanted.

I have no issue with us spending big wages on a loan signing.

I appreciate we will need to give decent wages for decent players but Warnock brought Medine and Tomlin to the club and decided not to use them, chucking wages at someone else may just put us in the same situation with players on big wages not wanted.

Luke, if we can’t trust our manager with money/ signings then really your saying Warnock should not be our manager?

I have no issue with us spending big wages on a loan signing.

I appreciate we will need to give decent wages for decent players but Warnock brought Medine and Tomlin to the club and decided not to use them, chucking wages at someone else may just put us in the same situation with players on big wages not wanted.

Luke, if we can’t trust our manager with money/ signings then really your saying Warnock should not be our manager?

He might not be saying that. He might be pointing out that Warnock, like all top managers, makes errors of judgement on occasions, but on the balance of everything that Wanock has done he may still like him to be our manager.

I have no issue with us spending big wages on a loan signing.

I appreciate we will need to give decent wages for decent players but Warnock brought Medine and Tomlin to the club and decided not to use them, chucking wages at someone else may just put us in the same situation with players on big wages not wanted.

Luke, if we can’t trust our manager with money/ signings then really your saying Warnock should not be our manager?

No doubt about it for me his biggest weakness was over the summer in the transfer market at this level he looks lost but I think he has more qualities to benefit the team though and I think he should be our manager.

But my point is that people have been going on about Medine and Tomlins wages and they were players Warnock wanted, I assume they are still in contract next season. If we sign someone permanently, come next summer we have Medine, Tomlins and the new signings wages to pay then no doubt people will complain about the wages being to much if we did go down.

Im not one of the people who have moaned about Medine and Tomlins wages mind and agree and we need reinforcements. However I don't think the club need an excuse, so far in my opinion the club is doing things the right way

Warnock record of signing expensive player is very poor. Madine, Tomlin, Murphy and Reid both mot doing very well and yet to prove their worth. So Warnock spending big money I am not sure.

Warnock record of signing expensive player is very poor. Madine, Tomlin, Murphy and Reid both mot doing very well and yet to prove their worth. So Warnock spending big money I am not sure.

Murphy and Reid were both players people were happy to sign. As were tomlin and Madine.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Warnock record of signing expensive player is very poor. Madine, Tomlin, Murphy and Reid both mot doing very well and yet to prove their worth. So Warnock spending big money I am not sure.

Murphy and Reid were both players people were happy to sign. As were tomlin and Madine.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Murphy is doing well, and as you say hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Many above are very negative, everything considered Warnock has done well in the transfer market way better than any other Manager in recent history and has got us promoted and out of the relegation zone on a shoestring !!!

Warnock record of signing expensive player is very poor. Madine, Tomlin, Murphy and Reid both mot doing very well and yet to prove their worth. So Warnock spending big money I am not sure.

Murphy and Reid were both players people were happy to sign. As were tomlin and Madine.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

That's because they thought he would play them (Murphy aside).

I don't have a big issue with Reid as a player, I actually quite like him but he doesn't seem to fit and the priority should have been other positions.

Annis, I think you are right in saying there should be money available for players.

Whilst we are all armchair expert managers, recruitment of players is never a sure-fire thing. There have been a lot higher profile managers than NW who have have big-money transfers blow up in their faces. Any such transfer is only as good as the player's attitude and commitment to their new club. If we look at Tomlin, he can with all the tools already in the bag, trouble was he could not keep control on the size of the bag, that was no fault of Warnock's, in fact he managed the promotion inspite of his start signing spending more time in McDs than on the training ground.

Madine however is a little difficult to get your head around, I think he was quite some way done NW's target list last January and I must confess, came as a surprise to me given most of his Bolton goals last season had come from the penalty spot. He will go down as Neil's worst signing especially with the money involved.

So here we are all spending more time on Football forums than doing our own job waiting for the first "White Smoke" to appear over the CCS. I just hope we don't end up doing another Madine.

PLEASE NEIL & CO GET A WIGGLE ON !!!!

Warnock can't hide now no excuses.

There can No excuses regarding money to pay wages and even without these players going out, with the big money City have and are receiving for being in the Premier League, we should be strengthening anyway if Cardiff want to stay up in the Premier League.


I know there are those who say we should not spend etc but if relegated we are not guaranteed to return, No club ever are and it won’t encourage our support to keep backing our club in such massive numbers .

You are right in that there can be no excuses but the problem may not be what we offering in terms of finance.

Take the Clyne example for instance. There doesn't seem to be any indication from the player, us, Liverpool or Bournemouth that money was an issue. It's just simply that better players don't want to be dragged into a relegation dogfight when they have an easier option elsewhere. We could have offered Clyne any amount of money but my guess is that he wanted to prove himself with a better/more established club with a view to his longer term value.

Similarly, even if we meet all of Sala's demands for wages, fee, etc., he may not want to uproot his family into a strange country and play in a struggling team as it may adversely affect his longer term prospects of attaining a more lucrative, longer term move.

I understand the concerns people have expressed regarding Warnock's success in signing players for big money but to be honest it's a bit disingenuous as his other signings of Bamba, Hoilett, etc., have been pretty good and it's still all about spotting a player whether they cost money or not.

If there's no money being released by tan it just shows he's really give up on us,I've always been one of the ones to back him up and give him a chance to redeem himself. If he don't and we go down whilst he relies on warnock for miracles he will lose my respect and support.

[quote="tylorstown18891"]If there's no money being released by tan it just shows he's really give up on us,I've always been one of the ones to back him up and give him a chance to redeem himself. If he don't and we go down whilst he relies on warnock for miracles he will lose my respect and support.[/quote



Redeem himself ???!!!!!!

Do you realise how much he's put into the club ? Without him, we'd be down the pan.

If there's no money being released by tan it just shows he's really give up on us,I've always been one of the ones to back him up and give him a chance to redeem himself. If he don't and we go down whilst he relies on warnock for miracles he will lose my respect and support.[/quote



Redeem himself ???!!!!!!

Do you realise how much he's put into the club ? Without him, we'd be down the pan.

Mate, he fooloshly lost it, he now got most part of it back and the publicity he lives for.

Freebies and loans is more likely anyone who thinks we are going to spend 20million is hoping tbh as tans still chansing his money back clearly by cutting costs whci has been going on for a few years now

I have no doubt Warnock would love to go out and buy a few top quality players. I would love to go out and buy myself a new Aston Martin. Unfortunately, there is that little matter of having enough money to buy what you want. As I have said before, Tan has told us his ambitions as far as CCFC is concerned, and Warnock won't get anywhere near the sort of money that some fans on here have talked about, and Tan has made it clear he won't be throwing big money at the club and hoping a gamble pays off. Not sure why so many fans choose not to believe what Warnock and Tan have said, they have both been up front as far as finances are concerned. There should be a bit to play around with as and when we loan out or sell players, but I would be surprised if we spend much more than £12m - £15 in total during this transfer window.

If there's no money being released by tan it just shows he's really give up on us,I've always been one of the ones to back him up and give him a chance to redeem himself. If he don't and we go down whilst he relies on warnock for miracles he will lose my respect and support.[/quote



Redeem himself ???!!!!!!

Do you realise how much he's put into the club ? Without him, we'd be down the pan.

Mate, he fooloshly lost it, he now got most part of it back and the publicity he lives for.

very unlucky maybe but not foolish. I think a lot of chairmen would have trusted their manager to be doing his best for the club..

we have a great chance to stay in the premier league vinnie should back the manager as much as he can we done the hard bit getting there NOW we must DO OUR BEST TO STAY THERE the riches are fantastic as we all know come on city

we have a great chance to stay in the premier league vinnie should back the manager as much as he can we done the hard bit getting there NOW we must DO OUR BEST TO STAY THERE the riches are fantastic as we all know come on city

The time to buy was in the summer, he didn't spent all hid budget oddly.

If there's no money being released by tan it just shows he's really give up on us,I've always been one of the ones to back him up and give him a chance to redeem himself. If he don't and we go down whilst he relies on warnock for miracles he will lose my respect and support.[/quote



Redeem himself ???!!!!!!

Do you realise how much he's put into the club ? Without him, we'd be down the pan.

Mate, he fooloshly lost it, he now got most part of it back and the publicity he lives for.

Only gets his money back if sells club for 100m+ as we all know he's taken nothing out of club as what he's loaned to club is being converted to shares so only recoups it from sale of club providing he gets formentioned 100m otherwise probably lose few million .

If there's no money being released by tan it just shows he's really give up on us,I've always been one of the ones to back him up and give him a chance to redeem himself. If he don't and we go down whilst he relies on warnock for miracles he will lose my respect and support.[/quote



Redeem himself ???!!!!!!

Do you realise how much he's put into the club ? Without him, we'd be down the pan.

Mate, he fooloshly lost it, he now got most part of it back and the publicity he lives for.

Only gets his money back if sells club for 100m+ as we all know he's taken nothing out of club as what he's loaned to club is being converted to shares so only recoups it from sale of club providing he gets formentioned 100m otherwise probably lose few million .

He needs to sell at 150 milion to get his money back hes put 150 in

This happens every window complete meltdown because we haven’t signed messi in the first few days. Trust in the managegemnt and the club who got us to the prem and at the moment are not doing a bad job of keeping us there. I have no doubt it’s difficult to get right player right price without breaking a structure that works.

Yes we might need to shell out, but over the odds or held to ransom? Not for me look what happened last time. It will come have some patience.

In that case his only chance of getting his money back is for the club to stay in the premier league.

100% agree mate we need to stay in the prem this season and build from there

This happens every window complete meltdown because we haven’t signed messi in the first few days. Trust in the managegemnt and the club who got us to the prem and at the moment are not doing a bad job of keeping us there. I have no doubt it’s difficult to get right player right price without breaking a structure that works.

Yes we might need to shell out, but over the odds or held to ransom? Not for me look what happened last time. It will come have some patience.

We are signing Messi?

Like Tomlin and Reid not sure he fits.

It's not just a case of the PL saying here is a £100m, and Tan then splashing out £20m there and £15m here on new players. He also has wages to pay, agents fees to cover, plus all the normal expenses that any business owner will be aware of such as business rates, taxes, insurances and numerous other expenses. If just a quarter of that £100m is paid in salaries, we are already close to being in debt before a penny is spent on buying players or paying the day to day running costs of the club. If I remember correctly, the last set of published figures showed the club being £80m in debt, and completely reliant on Tan for payrolling the club. Not sure what the present debt is as I think he may have converted some of that debt into shares, but you can bet that it is still a huge amount. Plenty of money for being in the PL, but the costs go up as well. Take a look at the profits/losses the PL clubs made last time, most would not have made a huge dent in our debts, and if Tan had not carried out his debt conversions, would have been no more than loose change. If it was easy to make big profits by running a PL club, I am sure Tan would be getting a lot of offers from all over the world. He is a businessman who will take calculated risks, he will not be thinking as a fan as he had probably never heard of this club until he was asked to step in and save it.

100% agree mate we need to stay in the prem this season and build from there

It's not just a case of the PL saying here is a £100m, and Tan then splashing out £20m there and £15m here on new players. He also has wages to pay, agents fees to cover, plus all the normal expenses that any business owner will be aware of such as business rates, taxes, insurances and numerous other expenses. If just a quarter of that £100m is paid in salaries, we are already close to being in debt before a penny is spent on buying players or paying the day to day running costs of the club. If I remember correctly, the last set of published figures showed the club being £80m in debt, and completely reliant on Tan for payrolling the club. Not sure what the present debt is as I think he may have converted some of that debt into shares, but you can bet that it is still a huge amount. Plenty of money for being in the PL, but the costs go up as well. Take a look at the profits/losses the PL clubs made last time, most would not have made a huge dent in our debts, and if Tan had not carried out his debt conversions, would have been no more than loose change. If it was easy to make big profits by running a PL club, I am sure Tan would be getting a lot of offers from all over the world. He is a businessman who will take calculated risks, he will not be thinking as a fan as he had probably never heard of this club until he was asked to step in and save it.

Correct.

Annis should know better as he used to bemoan the debt we got in.

Financial irresponsibility now will get us back there.

It's not just a case of the PL saying here is a £100m, and Tan then splashing out £20m there and £15m here on new players. He also has wages to pay, agents fees to cover, plus all the normal expenses that any business owner will be aware of such as business rates, taxes, insurances and numerous other expenses. If just a quarter of that £100m is paid in salaries, we are already close to being in debt before a penny is spent on buying players or paying the day to day running costs of the club. If I remember correctly, the last set of published figures showed the club being £80m in debt, and completely reliant on Tan for payrolling the club. Not sure what the present debt is as I think he may have converted some of that debt into shares, but you can bet that it is still a huge amount. Plenty of money for being in the PL, but the costs go up as well. Take a look at the profits/losses the PL clubs made last time, most would not have made a huge dent in our debts, and if Tan had not carried out his debt conversions, would have been no more than loose change. If it was easy to make big profits by running a PL club, I am sure Tan would be getting a lot of offers from all over the world. He is a businessman who will take calculated risks, he will not be thinking as a fan as he had probably never heard of this club until he was asked to step in and save it.

good sensible post but unfortunately it will fall on deaf ears with quite a few.. the fact is that many of those screaming spend are also those that in between windows beat the debt drum the hardest. on this very thread you have one poster claiming the debt was caused by Tan himself being foolish and another saying he can only redeem himself by spending more money a claim which no doubt he will repeat in the summer. some people will not be happy until he is replaced by someone worse..