Mid way point - good enough?

Exactly half the season gone, and 15 points in the bag. Anyone feel 30 points would be enough. Personally, I think the chances are that 30 points would almost certainly mean relegation. We are going to need a better second half if we want to play PL football next season. I don't think Huddersfield will avoid relegation, and then I think any two from Brighton, Palace, Newcastle, Southampton, Burnley, Fulham and ourselves will join them.

Anyone think 30 points will be enough, and does anyone think any of the teams I mentioned will pull clear of the battle, and be replaced by someone I have not mentioned?

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I agree that 30 points will almost certainly not be enough.

I don’t think it will be much more to get survival, maybe 34/35. We’ll need an away win and a couple of away points along with continuing with our relatively stable home record.

I feel it is essential we bring in a striker, and a defender would be important as well.

I didn’t expect us to be outside the bottom three halfway through the season, so that’s a big positive.

We’re still in with a fighting chance.

My gut feeling is it will be Huddersfield, Burnley and either us or Fulham.

10 wins and 4 draws I’d be happy with,just short at halfway.Going to be awful tight but doable.
Can’t afford a slip up against our rivals.

I agree that 30 points will almost certainly not be enough.

I don’t think it will be much more to get survival, maybe 34/35. We’ll need an away win and a couple of away points along with continuing with our relatively stable home record.

I feel it is essential we bring in a striker, and a defender would be important as well.

I didn’t expect us to be outside the bottom three halfway through the season, so that’s a big positive.

We’re still in with a fighting chance.

My gut feeling is it will be Huddersfield, Burnley and either us or Fulham.

That is the way I see things. I think 35/36 points will be right on the relegation line, just above or just below. I would hope 38 points would be more than enough. We need a couple of wins away from home, but not looking too close to one at the minute. January transfers could be the difference.

What worries me is that we have played the majority of our relegation rivals at home already. I think picking up the same amount of points in the second half of the season will be difficult.

If you'd offered us to be 3 ponts above relegation at the start we would of snapped your hand off.

Yes we had some decent home games but also some tough away games we could win at Fulham Newcastle Southampton Burnley.

The attitude and sprite of the players and management will mean we'll be in it to the end.

If you'd offered us to be 3 ponts above relegation at the start we would of snapped your hand off.

Yes we had some decent home games but also some tough away games we could win at Fulham Newcastle Southampton Burnley.

The attitude and sprite of the players and management will mean we'll be in it to the end.

I agree BUT I feel it will be more difficult. A couple of fresh faces in January will hopefully make a difference.

Other teams around us will strengthen so if we dont strengthen significantly and get in the real quality we are currently missing then we will sink fast and be relegated at the end of the season no doubt.

If we can pick up 8 points on the road and 12 at home , tough I know but we must try and get points from away games at Fulham,Saints,Burnley and Newcastle , home games against Huddersfield,B’mouth,Palace plus some draws.
that will put us on 35 meaning Burnley need to get 24 points which is trebling their current amount of points with Fulham or Huddersfield needing excess of 25 points approx 8 wins which is about 4 times the amount of games they have won at halfway stage !
We just have to take our chances and not give any stupid goals away ....... come on City !

If we can pick up 8 points on the road and 12 at home , tough I know but we must try and get points from away games at Fulham,Saints,Burnley and Newcastle , home games against Huddersfield,B’mouth,Palace plus some draws.
that will put us on 35 meaning Burnley need to get 24 points which is trebling their current amount of points with Fulham or Huddersfield needing excess of 25 points approx 8 wins which is about 4 times the amount of games they have won at halfway stage !
We just have to take our chances and not give any stupid goals away ....... come on City !

I'm inclined to agree,was looking at the table today,hoping we could sneak a win,which would have given us a five point gap to 18th, which would have been great,but happy where we are atm,let's hope we get the striker and defender we patently need,but if the season ended now,I'd be well happy

Looks like some of us think around 35 points will be just about enough then. Means our results need to improve by 25% in the second half of the season. Not easy, but certainly not impossible. We are in with a shout, let's hope Mr Warnock can do some first class wheeling and dealing over the next couple of weeks.

To get to 35 points the teams below us need to get 25, 24 and 23 more points respectively, from 19 matches. That's mid-table form and i don't think they're capable of it. Not impossible, but thats double/more than double what they got in the 1st 19 matches. We're doing fine, i don't think we'll need 35, i really think anything over 30 might be enough

One important point that nobody has mentioned yet.

There are currently 3 teams (plus Southampton if they lose tonight), that will have to do even better than us over the 2nd half of the season despite having been worse than us for the 1st half.

That too, is a big ask.

We have also improved significantly in terms of points per game. In the first 9 games we got only 3 points, in the last 10 games we've got 10 points. A couple of additional, unexpected, wins might get us back on to an overall 1 point a game average which will give us 38 points and more than enough for us to stay up.

I agree that a lot will depend on how/if we strengthen but I honestly believe that the togetherness stands us in a better position than 2013/14.

Over the last 10 years the average points after 19 games for the team in 17th place is 17 but this season the team in 15th place only has 17 so this is wide open and any of the bottom 6-7 could find themselves in the bottom 3 after 38 games.

The average number of points for the 17th place team after 38 games in the last 10 years is 37 points but surely it will be less than that this season so for me I think 33 points will do it.So we will need to do better in the 2nd half of the season but maybe not that much better and signing a decent striker could be the ticket to doing just that.

For the record the other worst team in PL History, Derby County, had just 7 points at this stage.

Well you can just look at the table. Yes it's good enough. This season could be a record low for staying up. I think we will end up on 35. Which is just see us clear.

Over the last 10 years the average points after 19 games for the team in 17th place is 17 but this season the team in 15th place only has 17 so this is wide open and any of the bottom 6-7 could find themselves in the bottom 3 after 38 games.

The average number of points for the 17th place team after 38 games in the last 10 years is 37 points but surely it will be less than that this season so for me I think 33 points will do it.So we will need to do better in the 2nd half of the season but maybe not that much better and signing a decent striker could be the ticket to doing just that.

For the record the other worst team in PL History, Derby County, had just 7 points at this stage.

Good points made by you and piledriver which I guess some of us had not taken into account. May well mean that even the 35 points I thought would be needed is a bit more than what is actually required. Like you have all said, the teams below us have to improve even more than us, and when you sit down and do the calculations not easy for them either. Going to be tough but interesting.

I don't think it will be enough but as others have said its been a very low points total all around. I think someone will push up the league from the bottom, potentially Fulham if they spend well but no doubt someone will drop down, maybe Brighton.

We just need to keep doing what we have and turn some of those disappointing results from mistakes into more points.

I don't think it will be enough but as others have said its been a very low points total all around. I think someone will push up the league from the bottom, potentially Fulham if they spend well but no doubt someone will drop down, maybe Brighton.

We just need to keep doing what we have and turn some of those disappointing results from mistakes into more points.

My biggest worry is our all round lack of quality. Been trying to think how many of our players we can say are true PL quality. I could only really come up with 3, possibly 4. Have we been punching above our weight so far this season? Camarasa looks like he may be only here for a short while, and I would rate him as one of that small group. I feel, like many others, we may need at least 3 more in next month to give us a real good chance of still being here next season.

At the end of the season I think the points we should have taken against Huddersfield away and beating Burnley at home will prove to haunt us. I can’t see how we will get enough points to stay up.

I don't think it will be enough but as others have said its been a very low points total all around. I think someone will push up the league from the bottom, potentially Fulham if they spend well but no doubt someone will drop down, maybe Brighton.

We just need to keep doing what we have and turn some of those disappointing results from mistakes into more points.

My biggest worry is our all round lack of quality. Been trying to think how many of our players we can say are true PL quality. I could only really come up with 3, possibly 4. Have we been punching above our weight so far this season? Camarasa looks like he may be only here for a short while, and I would rate him as one of that small group. I feel, like many others, we may need at least 3 more in next month to give us a real good chance of still being here next season.

True but then I think maybe we underestimate some of our players as well. I look at some squads and teams we have played and I think look at their players how can we compete then we play them and I think we'll they aint as good as I thought or we matched them easier than expected. If we can get a first team Right Back, Defensive midfielder and a striker I think we will have a great chance but if not we will just have to battle for every point with what we have.

I don't think it will be enough but as others have said its been a very low points total all around. I think someone will push up the league from the bottom, potentially Fulham if they spend well but no doubt someone will drop down, maybe Brighton.

We just need to keep doing what we have and turn some of those disappointing results from mistakes into more points.

My biggest worry is our all round lack of quality. Been trying to think how many of our players we can say are true PL quality. I could only really come up with 3, possibly 4. Have we been punching above our weight so far this season? Camarasa looks like he may be only here for a short while, and I would rate him as one of that small group. I feel, like many others, we may need at least 3 more in next month to give us a real good chance of still being here next season.

True but then I think maybe we underestimate some of our players as well. I look at some squads and teams we have played and I think look at their players how can we compete then we play them and I think we'll they aint as good as I thought or we matched them easier than expected. If we can get a first team Right Back, Defensive midfielder and a striker I think we will have a great chance but if not we will just have to battle for every point with what we have.

Agree with that. I think we can guarantee the players will give 100%, and I think the fans will as well. At least we are all pulling in the same direction this time, anything is possible.

Get that striker in or get Ken fit and we may just get enough points, we are not that far off teams around us or bottom half just need to take our chances when they come.

At the end of the season I think the points we should have taken against Huddersfield away and beating Burnley at home will prove to haunt us. I can’t see how we will get enough points to stay up.

If we end up going down by just a point or two, I think a lot of players and fans will look back at those two games and be quite gutted. Little things in just two games could end up meaning so much.
I'm staying positive for once, I think we can just about do it.

These are the points I think we will get

Leicester City (a) 0 points
Tottenham Hotspur (h) 0 points
Huddersfield Town (h) 3 points
Newcastle United (a) 1 point
Arsenal (a) 0 points
Bournemouth (h) 3 points
Southampton (a) 1 point
Watford (h) 3 points
Everton (h) 1 point
Wolves (a) 1 point
West Ham United (h) 1 point
Brighton (a) 1 point
Chelsea (h) 0 points
Manchester City (a) 0 points
Burnley (a) 1 point
Liverpool (h) 0 points
Fulham (a) 3 points
Crystal Palace (h) 3 points
Manchester United (a) 0 points

That would give us 37 points and no real shocks in there for me (and I'm sure there will be a couple of extra, unexpected points somewhere). I do think it's doable especially if we get a striker.

These are the points I think we will get

Leicester City (a) 0 points
Tottenham Hotspur (h) 0 points
Huddersfield Town (h) 3 points
Newcastle United (a) 1 point
Arsenal (a) 0 points
Bournemouth (h) 3 points
Southampton (a) 1 point
Watford (h) 3 points
Everton (h) 1 point
Wolves (a) 1 point
West Ham United (h) 1 point
Brighton (a) 1 point
Chelsea (h) 0 points
Manchester City (a) 0 points
Burnley (a) 1 point
Liverpool (h) 0 points
Fulham (a) 3 points
Crystal Palace (h) 3 points
Manchester United (a) 0 points

That would give us 37 points and no real shocks in there for me (and I'm sure there will be a couple of extra, unexpected points somewhere). I do think it's doable especially if we get a striker.

They look reasonable forecasts to me, and 37 points should do the trick. I expect one or two of your wins will end up in defeats or draws, but the law of averages will hopefully mean we will compensate with a win or two that we could'nt have expected. Looking back on other predictions, I would take 37 points all day long.

Yep just about hopefully. Think we will beat teams at home people don't expect maybe Everton, even Liverpool or Chelse especiallya as Liverpool could be bottling it by then. Think anyone else is beatable at home. A sneaky 2 wins away needed Burnley and maybe Saints/Fulham or Toon. It's certainly possible to stay up still

We have to pick our away games that we should set up offensively i would have thought palace was one of them but we set up defensivly granted we nicked a point by the luck of the woodwork twice we could run out of chances to win an away game we have to earmark fulham shampton burnley newcastle brighton as our only games we can go for it

At the end of the season I think the points we should have taken against Huddersfield away and beating Burnley at home will prove to haunt us. I can’t see how we will get enough points to stay up.

If we end up going down by just a point or two, I think a lot of players and fans will look back at those two games and be quite gutted. Little things in just two games could end up meaning so much.
I'm staying positive for once, I think we can just about do it.

I'm sure every club in and around the bottom will be thinking the same and have simular situations.

33 points will be enough possibly less. Don’t think Fulham will get more than 25 tops can’t see Burnley making past 30 either.

Anyway I think we will fine as I did before the season started as their are a lot of crap teams in this league and we will be better than at least 3 of them.

Let’s be honest we should of beat Arsenal, Burnley and Newcastle at home, hopefully those dropped points won’t define the season.