Clubs ambition

surely we should of invested more in summer on premier league players and strengthen again in January too try and keep us in the league rather than trying to scrape survival by spending peanuts ye I know Fulham have spent loads and they bottom but if you bought quality proven players we would have a better chance. And don't say we building for next year for when we go down because we might not get promoted again if we go down i for one is disappointed with clubs ambition and poor signings apart from arter and camarasa

Last time we went down, so many of our supporters went missing as well.
Ok they blamed the red.
Even last Christmas, 18k against PNE when everyone was on holidays.
So knowing how fickle our fan base is, can the club really afford to gamble?

Clubs ambition is to be self sufficient and debt free and work within our means while being competitive if anyone is expecting the club just going to splash the cash all of a sudden in 20+ signings on a regular basis are going to be disappointed.

At end of the day how can the likes of Fulham and other teams spent £100'm plus where as we struggling even tho we got bigger and better attendances every week

At end of the day how can the likes of Fulham and other teams spent £100'm plus where as we struggling even tho we got bigger and better attendances every week

First of all Shahid Khan is worth 7.4 billion and Tan is now only worth 820 million now according to wiki and Khan has much more money to splash that’s why and they’re bottom of the table which tells you that it doesn’t guarantee anything while we are above the drop zone on peanuts.

We're going down at this rate absolute rubbish same old lump up to Paterson clearly ain't working we were much better with Ward and Reid in team

At end of the day how can the likes of Fulham and other teams spent £100'm plus where as we struggling even tho we got bigger and better attendances every week

First of all Shahid Khan is worth 7.4 billion and Tan is now only worth 820 million now according to wiki and Khan has much more money to splash that’s why and they’re bottom of the table which tells you that it doesn’t guarantee anything while we are above the drop zone on peanuts.

People keep using Fulham as an example of a club that's spent a huge amount and are struggling badly and that is understandable and correct.

However nobody mentions Wolves who have also just been promoted and spent a huge amount - so far it's not done them badly has it?

If the money is spent correctly by an astute manager on quality players then it's bound to benefit any club.

Fulham's problem like any club that spends big and gets relegated will be FFP if they don't manage to get promoted again before the parachute payments run out but you can have at least one season in the Championship paying big wages and transfer fees (eg West Ham and Newcastle in recent years) in an attempt to bounce straight back.

What you musn't do though is employ a clown like OGS when you get relegated, allow him to sign players on ludicrous contracts and then after seven games of the season change the entire philosophy of the club to from trying to get promoted straight back to severe cost cutting and the employment of a manager like Slade.

At end of the day how can the likes of Fulham and other teams spent £100'm plus where as we struggling even tho we got bigger and better attendances every week

First of all Shahid Khan is worth 7.4 billion and Tan is now only worth 820 million now according to wiki and Khan has much more money to splash that’s why and they’re bottom of the table which tells you that it doesn’t guarantee anything while we are above the drop zone on peanuts.

ONLY £820 million? Wow! He's a pauper!

Tan just can't spend anymore on the club, purse strings need to tightened as he's only got 820 million in the bank, hard times.

At end of the day how can the likes of Fulham and other teams spent £100'm plus where as we struggling even tho we got bigger and better attendances every week

First of all Shahid Khan is worth 7.4 billion and Tan is now only worth 820 million now according to wiki and Khan has much more money to splash that’s why and they’re bottom of the table which tells you that it doesn’t guarantee anything while we are above the drop zone on peanuts.

People keep using Fulham as an example of a club that's spent a huge amount and are struggling badly and that is understandable and correct.

However nobody mentions Wolves who have also just been promoted and spent a huge amount - so far it's not done them badly has it?

If the money is spent correctly by an astute manager on quality players then it's bound to benefit any club.

Fulham's problem like any club that spends big and gets relegated will be FFP if they don't manage to get promoted again before the parachute payments run out but you can have at least one season in the Championship paying big wages and transfer fees (eg West Ham and Newcastle in recent years) in an attempt to bounce straight back.

What you musn't do though is employ a clown like OGS when you get relegated, allow him to sign players on ludicrous contracts and then after seven games of the season change the entire philosophy of the club to from trying to get promoted straight back to severe cost cutting and the employment of a manager like Slade.

Great post and very accurate.

What should also now be obvious to any fan not wearing the thickest of rose coloured spectacles is that the hierarchy at our club have no medium to long term ambition other than to seek the most financially lucrative exit strategy by choking the investment required to grow the playing strength of the club.

At end of the day how can the likes of Fulham and other teams spent £100'm plus where as we struggling even tho we got bigger and better attendances every week

First of all Shahid Khan is worth 7.4 billion and Tan is now only worth 820 million now according to wiki and Khan has much more money to splash that’s why and they’re bottom of the table which tells you that it doesn’t guarantee anything while we are above the drop zone on peanuts.

This and you previous post.

At end of the day how can the likes of Fulham and other teams spent £100'm plus where as we struggling even tho we got bigger and better attendances every week

First of all Shahid Khan is worth 7.4 billion and Tan is now only worth 820 million now according to wiki and Khan has much more money to splash that’s why and they’re bottom of the table which tells you that it doesn’t guarantee anything while we are above the drop zone on peanuts.

This and you previous post.

I agree with Rydogs first post on this thread. The club and Tan have clearly stated their ambitions, and while that may not sit comfortably with many fans, it is better than facing potential winding up orders or court cases for unpaid tax bills which was something that was happening a bit too often not that long ago.

At end of the day how can the likes of Fulham and other teams spent £100'm plus where as we struggling even tho we got bigger and better attendances every week

First of all Shahid Khan is worth 7.4 billion and Tan is now only worth 820 million now according to wiki and Khan has much more money to splash that’s why and they’re bottom of the table which tells you that it doesn’t guarantee anything while we are above the drop zone on peanuts.

your bestest ever post ry

At end of the day how can the likes of Fulham and other teams spent £100'm plus where as we struggling even tho we got bigger and better attendances every week

First of all Shahid Khan is worth 7.4 billion and Tan is now only worth 820 million now according to wiki and Khan has much more money to splash that’s why and they’re bottom of the table which tells you that it doesn’t guarantee anything while we are above the drop zone on peanuts.

People keep using Fulham as an example of a club that's spent a huge amount and are struggling badly and that is understandable and correct.

However nobody mentions Wolves who have also just been promoted and spent a huge amount - so far it's not done them badly has it?

If the money is spent correctly by an astute manager on quality players then it's bound to benefit any club.

Fulham's problem like any club that spends big and gets relegated will be FFP if they don't manage to get promoted again before the parachute payments run out but you can have at least one season in the Championship paying big wages and transfer fees (eg West Ham and Newcastle in recent years) in an attempt to bounce straight back.

What you musn't do though is employ a clown like OGS when you get relegated, allow him to sign players on ludicrous contracts and then after seven games of the season change the entire philosophy of the club to from trying to get promoted straight back to severe cost cutting and the employment of a manager like Slade.

Wolves sold many millions of £££s woth of players and they've spent around maybe 35m more than us net! Yes wages are very high but they've also getting good players on the cheap due to clubs agent, also they have set out their ambitions and are willing to pay to achieve it.

At end of the day how can the likes of Fulham and other teams spent £100'm plus where as we struggling even tho we got bigger and better attendances every week

First of all Shahid Khan is worth 7.4 billion and Tan is now only worth 820 million now according to wiki and Khan has much more money to splash that’s why and they’re bottom of the table which tells you that it doesn’t guarantee anything while we are above the drop zone on peanuts.

People keep using Fulham as an example of a club that's spent a huge amount and are struggling badly and that is understandable and correct.

However nobody mentions Wolves who have also just been promoted and spent a huge amount - so far it's not done them badly has it?

If the money is spent correctly by an astute manager on quality players then it's bound to benefit any club.

Fulham's problem like any club that spends big and gets relegated will be FFP if they don't manage to get promoted again before the parachute payments run out but you can have at least one season in the Championship paying big wages and transfer fees (eg West Ham and Newcastle in recent years) in an attempt to bounce straight back.

What you musn't do though is employ a clown like OGS when you get relegated, allow him to sign players on ludicrous contracts and then after seven games of the season change the entire philosophy of the club to from trying to get promoted straight back to severe cost cutting and the employment of a manager like Slade.

Wolves sold many millions of £££s woth of players and they've spent around maybe 35m more than us net! Yes wages are very high but they've also getting good players on the cheap due to clubs agent, also they have set out their ambitions and are willing to pay to achieve it.

Think you hit the nail on the head there Alan. They have set their ambitions and we have set ours. As fans, we were probably all hoping for higher ambitions than we have, but we should'nt be too shocked with the present situation. As Rydog said, our club has stated it's main ambition, and that was to clear it's debts and to be self sufficient. Don't know if that will ever happen, but that probably explains why our wage structure is so low, and why so little money has been spent in comparison to a lot of the other clubs. We could gamble and spend a lot more in an attempt to ensure survival in the PL, but that would need a change of direction from Tan's original business plan.

Wolves have Jorge Mendes on board as well. Never going to be a problem recruiting players. Probably spend big in January too

The clubs ambition is pretty obvious.

Try to survive in the premier league without bankrupting the club.
If we get relegated we have a very good team to go again next season, if we survive then we have money to invest and try to establish ourselves permanently.

The club is doing the sensible thing even if it is annoying to the fans.

In my humble opinion the club (and therefore Tan's) ambition is as follows:-

Spend virtually nothing in the Premier League.
Use Premier League and parachute payments to reduce the debts of the club (all owed to Tan).
Once club is close to debt free aggressively seek a buyer for the club.
Tan walks away having minimised his losses as much as he can.

Football matters will take a backseat to financial matters for the rest of Tan's tenure at the club. Little or no further money will be invested in the playing squad unless funds can be generated by player sales in which case part of those funds will be made available.

It won't matter if we are in the Premier League or Championship as far as selling the club is concerned. Look at the clubs in the Championship with foreign owners. The attraction to an investor will be in the fact that we are close to being debt free.

Whether or not the next owner will be more willing to invest in the club - who knows? We could have owners like Wolves or owners like Blackburn. Either way, Tan will walk away without a backwards glance.

At end of the day how can the likes of Fulham and other teams spent £100'm plus where as we struggling even tho we got bigger and better attendances every week

First of all Shahid Khan is worth 7.4 billion and Tan is now only worth 820 million now according to wiki and Khan has much more money to splash that’s why and they’re bottom of the table which tells you that it doesn’t guarantee anything while we are above the drop zone on peanuts.

People keep using Fulham as an example of a club that's spent a huge amount and are struggling badly and that is understandable and correct.

However nobody mentions Wolves who have also just been promoted and spent a huge amount - so far it's not done them badly has it?

If the money is spent correctly by an astute manager on quality players then it's bound to benefit any club.

Fulham's problem like any club that spends big and gets relegated will be FFP if they don't manage to get promoted again before the parachute payments run out but you can have at least one season in the Championship paying big wages and transfer fees (eg West Ham and Newcastle in recent years) in an attempt to bounce straight back.

What you musn't do though is employ a clown like OGS when you get relegated, allow him to sign players on ludicrous contracts and then after seven games of the season change the entire philosophy of the club to from trying to get promoted straight back to severe cost cutting and the employment of a manager like Slade.

Wolves sold many millions of £££s woth of players and they've spent around maybe 35m more than us net! Yes wages are very high but they've also getting good players on the cheap due to clubs agent, also they have set out their ambitions and are willing to pay to achieve it.

Think you hit the nail on the head there Alan. They have set their ambitions and we have set ours. As fans, we were probably all hoping for higher ambitions than we have, but we should'nt be too shocked with the present situation. As Rydog said, our club has stated it's main ambition, and that was to clear it's debts and to be self sufficient. Don't know if that will ever happen, but that probably explains why our wage structure is so low, and why so little money has been spent in comparison to a lot of the other clubs. We could gamble and spend a lot more in an attempt to ensure survival in the PL, but that would need a change of direction from Tan's original business plan.

Can never compare clubs because there are so many variables like crowds rich owners ect ect we have a plan and I'm sure it's hoping can survive premiership with little input financially! Trouble with this is what happens next season if in premiership? Lack of spending this season means will have to spend a lot more to stay in league next season due to fact we spent in adequately this season, we will certainly be relegated as previous occasions when clubs fail to spend it only ends one way. Speculate to accumulate is usually the way forward but we are definitely not speculating so only way is down.....

In my humble opinion the club (and therefore Tan's) ambition is as follows:-

Spend virtually nothing in the Premier League.
Use Premier League and parachute payments to reduce the debts of the club (all owed to Tan).
Once club is close to debt free aggressively seek a buyer for the club.
Tan walks away having minimised his losses as much as he can.

Football matters will take a backseat to financial matters for the rest of Tan's tenure at the club. Little or no further money will be invested in the playing squad unless funds can be generated by player sales in which case part of those funds will be made available.

It won't matter if we are in the Premier League or Championship as far as selling the club is concerned. Look at the clubs in the Championship with foreign owners. The attraction to an investor will be in the fact that we are close to being debt free.

Whether or not the next owner will be more willing to invest in the club - who knows? We could have owners like Wolves or owners like Blackburn. Either way, Tan will walk away without a backwards glance.

That's the way I see it as well. I have been saying for a couple of years that reducing the debts is Tan's number one priority, and he has said nothing to suggest that is not the case. I think he has made his position clear, and Warnock's comments seem to back that up.