Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:39 pm
Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:55 pm
Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:00 pm
Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:05 pm
2blue2handle wrote:I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.
Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:07 pm
Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:23 pm
Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:34 pm
2blue2handle wrote:I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.
Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:59 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:2blue2handle wrote:I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.
That's the standard response. You could have copied and pasted that virtually every few months for most of his career. Like I said yesterday, he is almost 25, has 4 or 5 years left before his pace starts to desert him, and I bet the same stuff will still be said if he was to be here a few years from now.
Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:03 pm
Sven wrote:2blue2handle wrote:I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.
Luke, some may call that 'the standard response' but I'd love to think you are right!![]()
None of us work to our optimum when we have an issue and this is possibly highlighted in the marginal world of professional sport. It's not just in football or at Cardiff City in particular (it just feels that way when it's our team affected)
It might well be that Kenneth Zohore has been 'rushed' back prematurely in recent times and I recall Neil Warnock alluding to that at one point over his heel injury...and even admitting 'surprise' at the extent of the injury
I think most City supporters would love to see Kenneth Zohore come back in and make the difference his supposed transfer fee of last year would suggest. Only time and playing opportunity will show but we are close to the point where City will have to make a decision akin to this season rather than the future
Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:12 pm
2blue2handle wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:2blue2handle wrote:I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.
That's the standard response. You could have copied and pasted that virtually every few months for most of his career. Like I said yesterday, he is almost 25, has 4 or 5 years left before his pace starts to desert him, and I bet the same stuff will still be said if he was to be here a few years from now.
I don't consider it old to be learning, a lot of strikers develop later than others.
To be honest I don't really care what the distant past has said, In the last 2 seasons I think he has done well and shown he has a lot to his game. In my opinion the best striker at the club when fit. I don't think he has been given a chance to show if he is capable of playing at this level yet because of injuries so the jury is still out. I certainly cant judge his season at the moment as he hasn't been fit enough to prove either way.
Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:26 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:2blue2handle wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:2blue2handle wrote:I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.
That's the standard response. You could have copied and pasted that virtually every few months for most of his career. Like I said yesterday, he is almost 25, has 4 or 5 years left before his pace starts to desert him, and I bet the same stuff will still be said if he was to be here a few years from now.
I don't consider it old to be learning, a lot of strikers develop later than others.
To be honest I don't really care what the distant past has said, In the last 2 seasons I think he has done well and shown he has a lot to his game. In my opinion the best striker at the club when fit. I don't think he has been given a chance to show if he is capable of playing at this level yet because of injuries so the jury is still out. I certainly cant judge his season at the moment as he hasn't been fit enough to prove either way.
I suppose that speaks volumes for the strikers we have here at the minute. For a striker who has scored 31 goals in an 8 year career to be our best, does not say a lot for the others really. On form he may be our best, but that's not too difficult considering we are using a defender as our main striker as our other attackers appear to be ineffective at this level.
Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:28 pm
Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:35 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:I think NW might have been reflecting on his January business with Gary Madine. Was GM better than KZ? For £6m I certainly don't think so and NW might be thinking he did bring Ken back from the dead once before and might be able to do it again.
Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:37 pm
dogfound wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:2blue2handle wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:2blue2handle wrote:I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.
That's the standard response. You could have copied and pasted that virtually every few months for most of his career. Like I said yesterday, he is almost 25, has 4 or 5 years left before his pace starts to desert him, and I bet the same stuff will still be said if he was to be here a few years from now.
I don't consider it old to be learning, a lot of strikers develop later than others.
To be honest I don't really care what the distant past has said, In the last 2 seasons I think he has done well and shown he has a lot to his game. In my opinion the best striker at the club when fit. I don't think he has been given a chance to show if he is capable of playing at this level yet because of injuries so the jury is still out. I certainly cant judge his season at the moment as he hasn't been fit enough to prove either way.
I suppose that speaks volumes for the strikers we have here at the minute. For a striker who has scored 31 goals in an 8 year career to be our best, does not say a lot for the others really. On form he may be our best, but that's not too difficult considering we are using a defender as our main striker as our other attackers appear to be ineffective at this level.
how many of those games did we win though...?
our whole game plan revolves around having a presence up top that is not necessarily a prolific goal scorer..
personally I would prefer OUR CLUB to win PROMOTION to the prem with the combined goals from our 2 big units { Ken and Gary } being 9...…..to our main striker getting 31 goals but finishing 22nd in the bottom division.
Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:40 pm
dogfound wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:I think NW might have been reflecting on his January business with Gary Madine. Was GM better than KZ? For £6m I certainly don't think so and NW might be thinking he did bring Ken back from the dead once before and might be able to do it again.
no...Gary Madine is was or will never be better and Warnocks granny knew that..he was cover and helped get us promoted....6 starts 13 points...
gobsmacked that anyone let alone a group of people thinks he was bought as a prolific scorer or that promotion is failure tbh...
Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:47 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:dogfound wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:I think NW might have been reflecting on his January business with Gary Madine. Was GM better than KZ? For £6m I certainly don't think so and NW might be thinking he did bring Ken back from the dead once before and might be able to do it again.
no...Gary Madine is was or will never be better and Warnocks granny knew that..he was cover and helped get us promoted....6 starts 13 points...
gobsmacked that anyone let alone a group of people thinks he was bought as a prolific scorer or that promotion is failure tbh...
But wasn't the question 'better' than KZ not 'more prolific?'. I agree GM affect was to give KZ a kick up the arse but I don't believe any manager would splash £2m down + £4m on promotion without believing the player signed could step in.
Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:11 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:2blue2handle wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:2blue2handle wrote:I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.
That's the standard response. You could have copied and pasted that virtually every few months for most of his career. Like I said yesterday, he is almost 25, has 4 or 5 years left before his pace starts to desert him, and I bet the same stuff will still be said if he was to be here a few years from now.
I don't consider it old to be learning, a lot of strikers develop later than others.
To be honest I don't really care what the distant past has said, In the last 2 seasons I think he has done well and shown he has a lot to his game. In my opinion the best striker at the club when fit. I don't think he has been given a chance to show if he is capable of playing at this level yet because of injuries so the jury is still out. I certainly cant judge his season at the moment as he hasn't been fit enough to prove either way.
I suppose that speaks volumes for the strikers we have here at the minute. For a striker who has scored 31 goals in an 8 year career to be our best, does not say a lot for the others really. On form he may be our best, but that's not too difficult considering we are using a defender as our main striker as our other attackers appear to be ineffective at this level.
Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:33 pm
Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:53 pm
Danny Says wrote:He is limited.
He cannot head a football. He has a poor first touch. He does not put in a shift. he doesn't do much defending in the opposition half. There is no point hoofing it up to him or expecting him to trap, turn and pass with any conviction.
BUT what he can do is take a running ball forwards at pace and shoot with his left peg. 2 seasons ago he was the most exciting player we had; recall that goal v Fulham on the run and those finishes at Blackburn and Brentford. Even a massive assist for Ralls v Sunderland.
So as he is so limited in what he can do positively, unless the team is able to play to his one real strength he's just not worth persevering with.