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NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:39 pm

Neil Warnock admitted he and his staff have been looking at new strikers but had this to say...


"We’ve looked at five or six strikers in the last few weeks and Ronnie (Jepson) was abroad and so was Robes (James Rowberry) this week.

"One game I went to - not the Nantes game - but another one I took in, I came back asking the question: ‘are they better than Ken Zohore?’

"Ken is training now and I've had a word with him and he’s got to get his finger out now because he's got all the attributes.

"When I look at all these other strikers, the ones we’re looking at, we're not looking at the right top end of the market. Ken’s got it all in his locker really, it's such a shame."
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Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:55 pm

Yeah they are better if they're managing to put an effort in.
I'm sure there's some reason for Kens apparent loss of commitment but a lot of people are effected if he can't be bothered ,as is an effort which has come too far to be buggered up by his mood swings .
I was 100% convinced that he'd do brilliantly in the Premiership, worth £20 Million and back playing in internationals by now. I was wrong, and I hope he finds the plot again somewhere in the future , but enough is enough and it's not fair on the 30,0000 crowds who shout support into injury time even if the team is losing to wait any longer for him

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:00 pm

I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:05 pm

2blue2handle wrote:I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.


That's the standard response. You could have copied and pasted that virtually every few months for most of his career. Like I said yesterday, he is almost 25, has 4 or 5 years left before his pace starts to desert him, and I bet the same stuff will still be said if he was to be here a few years from now.

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:07 pm

Time for zohore to be shipped out,excuse after excuse for him,he just dont show the desire to be a success

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:23 pm

Bringing in a top striker will let us know all about zohores commitment to cardiff city but its a must that we do, we cannot wait any longer the season will be over we are closing in on xmas and no sign of him stepping up to the plate i will be well p.ss.d off if we do not get a quality striker and if you have to pay the going rate thats what we have to do otherwise we could spend 5 million and end up with what we have now madine or 10 million on reid who never gets a full game 15 million there wasted.

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:34 pm

2blue2handle wrote:I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.


Luke, some may call that 'the standard response' but I'd love to think you are right! :thumbright:

None of us work to our optimum when we have an issue and this is possibly highlighted in the marginal world of professional sport. It's not just in football or at Cardiff City in particular (it just feels that way when it's our team affected)

It might well be that Kenneth Zohore has been 'rushed' back prematurely in recent times and I recall Neil Warnock alluding to that at one point over his heel injury...and even admitting 'surprise' at the extent of the injury

I think most City supporters would love to see Kenneth Zohore come back in and make the difference his supposed transfer fee of last year would suggest. Only time and playing opportunity will show but we are close to the point where City will have to make a decision akin to this season rather than the future

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:59 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.


That's the standard response. You could have copied and pasted that virtually every few months for most of his career. Like I said yesterday, he is almost 25, has 4 or 5 years left before his pace starts to desert him, and I bet the same stuff will still be said if he was to be here a few years from now.


I don't consider it old to be learning, a lot of strikers develop later than others.

To be honest I don't really care what the distant past has said, In the last 2 seasons I think he has done well and shown he has a lot to his game. In my opinion the best striker at the club when fit. I don't think he has been given a chance to show if he is capable of playing at this level yet because of injuries so the jury is still out. I certainly cant judge his season at the moment as he hasn't been fit enough to prove either way.

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:03 pm

Sven wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.


Luke, some may call that 'the standard response' but I'd love to think you are right! :thumbright:

None of us work to our optimum when we have an issue and this is possibly highlighted in the marginal world of professional sport. It's not just in football or at Cardiff City in particular (it just feels that way when it's our team affected)

It might well be that Kenneth Zohore has been 'rushed' back prematurely in recent times and I recall Neil Warnock alluding to that at one point over his heel injury...and even admitting 'surprise' at the extent of the injury

I think most City supporters would love to see Kenneth Zohore come back in and make the difference his supposed transfer fee of last year would suggest. Only time and playing opportunity will show but we are close to the point where City will have to make a decision akin to this season rather than the future


I think we would all love him to return and prove many of us, mostly me, wrong. I'm sure Tan would like to see this happen, it would save him from having to dig deep into his wallet. If Zohore is as good as many seem to think, we would not be desperately looking for another striker. The fact it has been suggested on here today we are looking at a £25m striker seems to indicate Warnock is not satisfied with what he's got here right now. Personally, I don't pay a lot of attention to these rumours, and I would be surprised if we have the money to bring in anyone who would be much better than is here now. I think we need Zohore to step up to the mark, otherwise it will be a strugle getting the goals we need to avoid relegation. He has the chance of turning himself into a City hero if he can fire in the goals that give us another crack at PL football next season.

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:12 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.


That's the standard response. You could have copied and pasted that virtually every few months for most of his career. Like I said yesterday, he is almost 25, has 4 or 5 years left before his pace starts to desert him, and I bet the same stuff will still be said if he was to be here a few years from now.


I don't consider it old to be learning, a lot of strikers develop later than others.

To be honest I don't really care what the distant past has said, In the last 2 seasons I think he has done well and shown he has a lot to his game. In my opinion the best striker at the club when fit. I don't think he has been given a chance to show if he is capable of playing at this level yet because of injuries so the jury is still out. I certainly cant judge his season at the moment as he hasn't been fit enough to prove either way.


I suppose that speaks volumes for the strikers we have here at the minute. For a striker who has scored 31 goals in an 8 year career to be our best, does not say a lot for the others really. On form he may be our best, but that's not too difficult considering we are using a defender as our main striker as our other attackers appear to be ineffective at this level.

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:26 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.


That's the standard response. You could have copied and pasted that virtually every few months for most of his career. Like I said yesterday, he is almost 25, has 4 or 5 years left before his pace starts to desert him, and I bet the same stuff will still be said if he was to be here a few years from now.


I don't consider it old to be learning, a lot of strikers develop later than others.

To be honest I don't really care what the distant past has said, In the last 2 seasons I think he has done well and shown he has a lot to his game. In my opinion the best striker at the club when fit. I don't think he has been given a chance to show if he is capable of playing at this level yet because of injuries so the jury is still out. I certainly cant judge his season at the moment as he hasn't been fit enough to prove either way.


I suppose that speaks volumes for the strikers we have here at the minute. For a striker who has scored 31 goals in an 8 year career to be our best, does not say a lot for the others really. On form he may be our best, but that's not too difficult considering we are using a defender as our main striker as our other attackers appear to be ineffective at this level.



how many of those games did we win though...?
our whole game plan revolves around having a presence up top that is not necessarily a prolific goal scorer..

personally I would prefer OUR CLUB to win PROMOTION to the prem with the combined goals from our 2 big units { Ken and Gary } being 9...…..to our main striker getting 31 goals but finishing 22nd in the bottom division.

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:28 pm

I think NW might have been reflecting on his January business with Gary Madine. Was GM better than KZ? For £6m I certainly don't think so and NW might be thinking he did bring Ken back from the dead once before and might be able to do it again.

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:35 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:I think NW might have been reflecting on his January business with Gary Madine. Was GM better than KZ? For £6m I certainly don't think so and NW might be thinking he did bring Ken back from the dead once before and might be able to do it again.



no...Gary Madine is was or will never be better and Warnocks granny knew that..he was cover and helped get us promoted....6 starts 13 points...
gobsmacked that anyone let alone a group of people thinks he was bought as a prolific scorer or that promotion is failure tbh...

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:37 pm

dogfound wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.


That's the standard response. You could have copied and pasted that virtually every few months for most of his career. Like I said yesterday, he is almost 25, has 4 or 5 years left before his pace starts to desert him, and I bet the same stuff will still be said if he was to be here a few years from now.


I don't consider it old to be learning, a lot of strikers develop later than others.

To be honest I don't really care what the distant past has said, In the last 2 seasons I think he has done well and shown he has a lot to his game. In my opinion the best striker at the club when fit. I don't think he has been given a chance to show if he is capable of playing at this level yet because of injuries so the jury is still out. I certainly cant judge his season at the moment as he hasn't been fit enough to prove either way.


I suppose that speaks volumes for the strikers we have here at the minute. For a striker who has scored 31 goals in an 8 year career to be our best, does not say a lot for the others really. On form he may be our best, but that's not too difficult considering we are using a defender as our main striker as our other attackers appear to be ineffective at this level.



how many of those games did we win though...?
our whole game plan revolves around having a presence up top that is not necessarily a prolific goal scorer..

personally I would prefer OUR CLUB to win PROMOTION to the prem with the combined goals from our 2 big units { Ken and Gary } being 9...…..to our main striker getting 31 goals but finishing 22nd in the bottom division.


Me too, but I think if we are to avoid relegation we could do with a main striker who can possibly just about get close to double figures this season. He has achieved that just once in his career. I know I am in a minority here and most fans rate him highly. Not long back fans on this forum were rating him as a £15m plus striker. Personally, I would have taken it if it was offered.

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:40 pm

dogfound wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:I think NW might have been reflecting on his January business with Gary Madine. Was GM better than KZ? For £6m I certainly don't think so and NW might be thinking he did bring Ken back from the dead once before and might be able to do it again.



no...Gary Madine is was or will never be better and Warnocks granny knew that..he was cover and helped get us promoted....6 starts 13 points...
gobsmacked that anyone let alone a group of people thinks he was bought as a prolific scorer or that promotion is failure tbh...


But wasn't the question 'better' than KZ not 'more prolific?'. I agree GM affect was to give KZ a kick up the arse but I don't believe any manager would splash £2m down + £4m on promotion without believing the player signed could step in.

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:47 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
dogfound wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:I think NW might have been reflecting on his January business with Gary Madine. Was GM better than KZ? For £6m I certainly don't think so and NW might be thinking he did bring Ken back from the dead once before and might be able to do it again.



no...Gary Madine is was or will never be better and Warnocks granny knew that..he was cover and helped get us promoted....6 starts 13 points...
gobsmacked that anyone let alone a group of people thinks he was bought as a prolific scorer or that promotion is failure tbh...


But wasn't the question 'better' than KZ not 'more prolific?'. I agree GM affect was to give KZ a kick up the arse but I don't believe any manager would splash £2m down + £4m on promotion without believing the player signed could step in.


Lets hope we can score a couple this weekend. Only 5 of the 92 clubs have scored fewer than us this season, so there is obvious room for improvement.

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:11 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:I just think he has been injured and rushed back to many times, he's a unit and needs time to get up to match sharpness. He was rushed back at the start of the season when we were playing terrible. Thought he did well against Burnley and then injured again.


That's the standard response. You could have copied and pasted that virtually every few months for most of his career. Like I said yesterday, he is almost 25, has 4 or 5 years left before his pace starts to desert him, and I bet the same stuff will still be said if he was to be here a few years from now.


I don't consider it old to be learning, a lot of strikers develop later than others.

To be honest I don't really care what the distant past has said, In the last 2 seasons I think he has done well and shown he has a lot to his game. In my opinion the best striker at the club when fit. I don't think he has been given a chance to show if he is capable of playing at this level yet because of injuries so the jury is still out. I certainly cant judge his season at the moment as he hasn't been fit enough to prove either way.


I suppose that speaks volumes for the strikers we have here at the minute. For a striker who has scored 31 goals in an 8 year career to be our best, does not say a lot for the others really. On form he may be our best, but that's not too difficult considering we are using a defender as our main striker as our other attackers appear to be ineffective at this level.


I don't care how many goals he scored before hand. Recent form I would say is the last 2 years and I think he has performed.
Maybe our attackers aren't the problem. Maybe it's the way we set up but then we don't really know as no striker has been allowed a run of games.

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:33 pm

He is limited.

He cannot head a football. He has a poor first touch. He does not put in a shift. he doesn't do much defending in the opposition half. There is no point hoofing it up to him or expecting him to trap, turn and pass with any conviction.

BUT what he can do is take a running ball forwards at pace and shoot with his left peg. 2 seasons ago he was the most exciting player we had; recall that goal v Fulham on the run and those finishes at Blackburn and Brentford. Even a massive assist for Ralls v Sunderland.

So as he is so limited in what he can do positively, unless the team is able to play to his one real strength he's just not worth persevering with.

Re: NEIL WARNOCK ON KENNETH ZOHORE

Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:53 pm

Danny Says wrote:He is limited.

He cannot head a football. He has a poor first touch. He does not put in a shift. he doesn't do much defending in the opposition half. There is no point hoofing it up to him or expecting him to trap, turn and pass with any conviction.

BUT what he can do is take a running ball forwards at pace and shoot with his left peg. 2 seasons ago he was the most exciting player we had; recall that goal v Fulham on the run and those finishes at Blackburn and Brentford. Even a massive assist for Ralls v Sunderland.

So as he is so limited in what he can do positively, unless the team is able to play to his one real strength he's just not worth persevering with.


That's the way I see him as well. Useless with his back to goal, can't turn his man, and can't head the ball. His only strength in my opinion is if he is able to run onto the ball facing the opposition goal. He has pace, is strong even though he gets brushed aside to easily for me, and has no other strengths to speak of. He is very limited, but it looks as if we may have to rely on him when you consider the alternatives. Just have to hope he improves.