Time for a change ?

Today was a must win game, neil warnock is the man in charge and at the end of the day he must take responsibilty for not just this defeat but the poor season were having and the poor/lack of quality signings.

We are seriously at risk of finishing with less points than derby unless theres a big change here,

I just dont think neil is cut out too manage in the prem, theres no denying hes a fantastic manager in the lower leagues but this is just a step too far for him i think.

I really think a new manager is needed now. We will also need too invest in the squad heavily in january.

We are too grateful too neil, yes its amazing what he has done but at the end of the day if youre not performing in your own job would your boss keep you on over something you did well before ?

New manager needed asap, some one with prem experience of keeping teams up

Sam allardyce any one ?

Unfortunately yes spot on

Can’t invest in players if the owner won’t release the funds, pretty sure I read somewhere that every deal is run past Tan and he has the ultimate yes/no say.... so in regards to investment that’s down to Tan not NW

Today was a must win game, neil warnock is the man in charge and at the end of the day he must take responsibilty for not just this defeat but the poor season were having and the poor/lack of quality signings.

We are seriously at risk of finishing with less points than derby unless theres a big change here,

I just dont think neil is cut out too manage in the prem, theres no denying hes a fantastic manager in the lower leagues but this is just a step too far for him i think.

I really think a new manager is needed now. We will also need too invest in the squad heavily in january.

We are too grateful too neil, yes its amazing what he has done but at the end of the day if youre not performing in your own job would your boss keep you on over something you did well before ?

New manager needed asap, some one with prem experience of keeping teams up

Sam allardyce any one ?

Everybody loves Neil, but should he step aside or indeed get the sack then Big Sam would be the one for me.

Today was a must win game, neil warnock is the man in charge and at the end of the day he must take responsibilty for not just this defeat but the poor season were having and the poor/lack of quality signings.

We are seriously at risk of finishing with less points than derby unless theres a big change here,

I just dont think neil is cut out too manage in the prem, theres no denying hes a fantastic manager in the lower leagues but this is just a step too far for him i think.

I really think a new manager is needed now. We will also need too invest in the squad heavily in january.

We are too grateful too neil, yes its amazing what he has done but at the end of the day if youre not performing in your own job would your boss keep you on over something you did well before ?

New manager needed asap, some one with prem experience of keeping teams up

Sam allardyce any one ?

Of owner???

The manager pissed away 20 million not the owner

The manager pissed away 20 million not the owner

Exactly,

Regardless of this whole "tan has final say on signings" the fact remains neil as squandered the transfer budget, we should of signed a quality striker and seriously improved our defence

As Tan said
No Red = No Money
It's a money making season unfortunately.
The best thing that could happen is Tan sells the club to someone who wants true success in the football arena.

I've never been someone who says Warnock stays at all costs. I knew he had his limitations at this level and in my opinion he had a poor/lazy transfer window.

I thought today we did well, frustratingly awful moments in defence. Probably the wrong decision to play Cunningham who looked lost.

For now I think he is the right man.

The manager pissed away 20 million not the owner

Exactly,

Regardless of this whole "tan has final say on signings" the fact remains neil as squandered the transfer budget, we should of signed a quality striker and seriously improved our defence

I personally think we’ve bought very good championship players (rather than journey men) so that if / when we go down, we have a better than average chance of getting back up, unlike last time when a heck of a lot more than £20M was wasted and very few of the players hungo around for the following season.

As Tan said
No Red = No Money
It's a money making season unfortunately.
The best thing that could happen is Tan sells the club to someone who wants true success in the football arena.

Spot on.

As Tan said
No Red = No Money
It's a money making season unfortunately.
The best thing that could happen is Tan sells the club to someone who wants true success in the football arena.

Spot on.

What's true success? Throwing money you don't have at something. Rarely works out. If we can become self sufficient then that would be a success.

Total bollo......

Total bollo......

Total bollox ? Care too expand on your point ?

Because from my point of view he is out of his depth, hr cant manage in the premier league (past seasons have shown this) he makes bad tactical desicions, he has made poor signings and sam allardyce has proven track record of keeping teams up

The manager pissed away 20 million not the owner

Exactly,

Regardless of this whole "tan has final say on signings" the fact remains neil as squandered the transfer budget, we should of signed a quality striker and seriously improved our defence

I personally think we’ve bought very good championship players (rather than journey men) so that if / when we go down, we have a better than average chance of getting back up, unlike last time when a heck of a lot more than £20M was wasted and very few of the players hungo around for the following season.

You are dead right Deano - let me repeat a post I made last week:

In spite of the danger of being described as "negative" or a "cynic", I will get out my crystal ball and make a few predictions:

1. Whether we stay up or go down; NW will not resign nor will VT sack him.
Rationale behind that opinion: I believe NW was advised in the summer that his transfer budget would be relatively low (as VT wanted to take out a large chunk of the money coming in for promotion to cover a large part of the investment he had put in).
NW agreed to stay as he wanted another crack at the EPL and he was probably advised that in the event of relegation he would not be sacked but would be allowed to have his crack at a 9th promotion.Hence the limited budget being spent on the type of player we could afford to keep for a tilt at the Championship next season if necessary
2. NW will be the manager here next season whether we go down or stay up.
Rationale behind that opinion: If we stay up - everybody is happy - Fans as we are still in the EPL; NW because he will have "succeeded" in the EPL and VT because there would be another huge windfall to use to cover the rest of his investment and the road would be clear to sell up at the end of next season.If we are relegated we will already have in place the kind of team to make another decent attempt at promotion without spending too much of the parachute payments.
3. Anyone hoping for some decent investment in January is going to be bitterly disappointed - prepare for the "Too expensive", "wouldn't come here", "Nothing better available" excuses we have already heard being spouted again when the "saviour" player(s) doesn't turn up in January.
Rationale behind that opinion: Refer to points 1 and 2 above.

My opinions may not go down well with everyone but that's how it seems to me IMHO. Critics please wait until the end of the season to see if my predictions are anywhere near the mark!!

What bloody nonsense !

Notwithstanding the fact that things aren't going exactly as we might like, Sir Neil is doing a marvellous job with what he's got and no one could do as well. He's getting the best out of the players and he can't help it if their best isn't quite enough at the moment. There's no chance of new players before January at the earliest so the best chance is to try and get just a little bit more out of them , which actually is happening. They ARE improving every game so let's just hope that improvement continues to a point where we are joining the dots a bit more effectively .

All Sam Allerdyce or anyone else could do would be to buy in players and Sir Neil could do that if he had the money. If it's a question of taking another two years to reach full potential then so be it, but that can only come from stability, not managerial musical chairs.

And for anyone who doesn't believe me , I've got one word - Olly.

It’s crazy to be talking of Warnock going - he galvanised this club when we were on the slide, he got us promoted against all expectations and he is probably working to one of the smallest budgets ever in the Premier League (accounting for inflation).

We didn’t play badly today, but basic errors at both ends (we were arguing amongst ourselves on their first goal), although two stunning saves from Hart, hitting the post, one of the line and a stonewall ‘penalty’ not given suggest we also aren’t getting the rub.

That said, Warnocks use of substitutes baffles me and again today - Ward should have come on to play alongside Zohore and why didn’t Reid get a look in, who has shown real glimpses of quality even in defeat. Instead a complete lack of imagination by just going with Ward and the ineffective Madine, rather than using Reid who could have been the key to unlocking that defence.

warnock should get the season, bare minimum, after what he's don't for the club. in fact i would have given him a 2 year contract at the start of this season if he'd have taken it.

i knew we'd get the 'get big sam / pardew / moyes' in comments sooner or later, but people forget that these people would only come here if they were given serious cash to spend.

warnock should get the season, bare minimum, after what he's don't for the club. in fact i would have given him a 2 year contract at the start of this season if he'd have taken it.

i knew we'd get the 'get big sam / pardew / moyes' in brigade sooner or later, but people forget that these people would only come here if they were given serious cash to spend.

Surely from a financial point of view for tan it would make sense to do that ? Id imagine it would be a lot easier too sell a premier league club over a championship one

It’s crazy to be talking of Warnock going - he galvanised this club when we were on the slide, he got us promoted against all expectations and he is probably working to one of the smallest budgets ever in the Premier League (accounting for inflation).

We didn’t play badly today, but basic errors at both ends (we were arguing amongst ourselves on their first goal), although two stunning saves from Hart, hitting the post, one of the line and a stonewall ‘penalty’ not given suggest we also aren’t getting the rub.

That said, Warnocks use of substitutes baffles me and again today - Ward should have come on to play alongside Zohore and why didn’t Reid get a look in, who has shown real glimpses of quality even in defeat. Instead a complete lack of imagination by just going with Ward and the ineffective Madine, rather than using Reid who could have been the key to unlocking that defence.

As Tan said
No Red = No Money

I'm not a Tan fan but please can you show me a direct quote of him saying that? I would genuinely like to see it.

As Tan said
No Red = No Money

I'm not a Tan fan but please can you show me a direct quote of him saying that? I would genuinely like to see it.

he has never once said it mate......or infact has there been a season where the club have even broke even..

As Tan said
No Red = No Money
It's a money making season unfortunately.
The best thing that could happen is Tan sells the club to someone who wants true success in the football arena.

Who's money has kept us afloat,paying for new players? I for won think it's not over quite yet for neil ,and this no red no money, is factually true is it??