Tommy Robinson says people know this is a "political trial

Tommy Robinson: Ex-EDL chief appears at Old Bailey for contempt case

BBC

Thursday 27th September 2018


Tommy Robinson says people know this is a "political trial"


Tommy Robinson has appeared in court over a contempt of court allegation.

Hundreds of supporters and opponents of the right-wing activist gathered outside the Old Bailey today.

Robinson, 35, is alleged to have committed contempt by filming people in a criminal trial and broadcasting footage on social media.
The case was adjourned until October. Robinson claimed the authorities "want me in prison for Christmas".

Recorder of London Judge Nicholas Hilliard QC said he would receive written submissions before making a ruling on how the substantive hearing will take place.

Robinson, from Luton, was referred to by his real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon throughout the brief hearing.
He was released from prison last month after three leading judges quashed a finding made at Leeds Crown Court in May, and granted him conditional bail from a 13-month jail sentence.


Robinson could face being sent back to jail if he is found to have been in contempt, with a maximum sentence of two years' imprisonment.
He was sentenced in May to 10 months for contempt of court, which he admitted, and a further three months for breaching a previous suspended sentence.
In May 2017, Robinson faced contempt proceedings over footage he filmed during the trial of four men who were later convicted of gang-raping a teenage girl.
A judge at Canterbury Crown Court gave him a three-month suspended sentence.


About 300 Tommy Robinson supporters gathered outside the Old Bailey


Robinson appealed against both contempt findings at a hearing last month overseen by Lord Chief Justice Lord Burnett, Mr Justice Turner and Mrs Justice McGowan.


They found the judge in Leeds should not have commenced contempt proceedings that day.


Speaking outside the Old Bailey earlier, Robinson criticised delays in the case, saying: "I believe they want me in prison for Christmas."



About 300 Tommy Robinson supporters gathered outside the Old Bailey

Tommy Robinson supporters outside the Old BaileyImage copyrightPA

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Clearly not though is it it’s a trial because he breached the terms of his suspended sentence the dull prick

Clearly not though is it it’s a trial because he breached the terms of his suspended sentence the dull prick

what is clear is that his treatment is different to that you or i would expect.
but its ok cause he is a dull prick

I challenge anyone to watch his interview with Ezra Levant and then come back saying he has been treated fairly.

Actually, for that matter name any other journalist who has been sent down for what TR has done.

Of course it was political.

journalist

I see you are using the broader definition of the term journalist.

"anyone with a mouth and a mobile phone"

Can’t wait for this clown to be sent down again.

I'm not sure whether he's bright enough for this, but perhaps he WANTS to be sent to prison.
As someone pointed out he knew he was on a suspended sentence and in fact I think most people know you can't film inside courts or say prejudicial stuff during a trial .
If he didn't know any of that I'm sure that his legal representatives would have made it very clear to him.

Having said this, the general public clearly don't understand what's happened and it's being seen as a political persecution of him. If anyone doesn't know this, it's being widely reported that way in the USA too.
Having himself certainly been the victim of misrepresentation by the State Broadcaster and establishment for a long time, it must occur to me that he has turned the tables upon them in this matter, and the current situation is that the court has little alternative but to impose a custodial sentence but to do that will establish him as a martyr and in the minds of the general public he will have been victimised for his opinions or even perhaps for his race.

In their position, I would find some other solution and an excuse to avoid a harsh sentence, but of course they themselves are not necessarily higher thinkers these days.

If that's what he's done then he's a much cleverer chap than I thought, but as I said at the outset, I doubt whether he's intellectually capable of such a plan. It might therefore have simply arisen from a series of random events, but even if it did , the nett result is a major political coup for Mr Robinson.

journalist

I see you are using the broader definition of the term journalist.

"anyone with a mouth and a mobile phone"

Nope, I'll stick with Oxford English Dictionary cheers

A person who writes for newspapers, magazines, or news websites or prepares news to be broadcast.

As someone who actually owns a publishing company, whose job title is Editor-in-Chief for a highly respected international business journal and who has no journalistic qualifications at all - I can tell you first hand that the last thing you need to be a successful journalist is a few letters after your name that you picked up in Uni.

It's funny how it took 10 years for all the real journalists to catch up with TR on grooming gangs for example.

It might therefore have simply arisen from a series of random events, but even if it did , the nett result is a major political coup for Mr Robinson.

That is a very astute summary and in fact TR actually acknowledges this in the interview I referenced, having accepted his fate and that one way or another he is living on borrowed time, he now effectively has the establishment in checkmate.

He himself would admit it is not by design and it's not some secret masterplan but he is also nowhere near as thick as a lot of people assume and he has had extensive media training since the Canterbury case (which is why it is still uncertain exactly what he did that was contempt of court and why he was arrested for one crime and sentenced for another).

For me, it is a combination of the huge arrogance of those trying to quieten him and the man's sheer dogged resilience and refusal to go away that has resulted in where he found himself today.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - If the British government had done their job there would never have been a reason for Tommy Robinson to exist.

The interview with Ezra Levant is here for anyone who is interested is @ https://youtu.be/XeC-4XQQYdU

Clearly not though is it it’s a trial because he breached the terms of his suspended sentence the dull prick

Whyhave a trial for something like this at The Old Bailey?

Clearly not though is it it’s a trial because he breached the terms of his suspended sentence the dull prick

Whyhave a trial for something like this at The Old Bailey?

All I will say is, "THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH" plus "THE UK IS BIASED TO THE MAJORITY THANKS TO THE DO-GOODERS "

Clearly not though is it it’s a trial because he breached the terms of his suspended sentence the dull prick

Whyhave a trial for something like this at The Old Bailey?

All I will say is, "THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH" plus "THE UK IS BIASED TO THE MAJORITY THANKS TO THE DO-GOODERS "

It's probably at the Bailey because the offences are in different court areas and the "central criminal court" as it is properly known has jurisdiction to hear them all together in one go. Plus of course they can expect some disorder and protest and they've got big police rescources quickly available to deal with that.



Forever Blue is perfectly correct that we have no freedom of speech . I defy anyone to show me a statute or other law which confers free speech yet I could think of many many criminal offences which amount to saying things you're not supposed to. All this shows the power of information control because most people imagine a freedom of speech just because they hear apparently intelligent people on TV and in parliament referring to it as if it existed - although they might as well be referring to the leprechaun at the end of the rainbow.

Bias against the majority as he puts it certainly exists , but I would suggest a slight adaptation of his statement.
The "do gooders" he refers to are not necessarily what they appear to be and often have very nasty ulterior motives. In other cases they are quite sincere, but are actually tools in the hands of more sinister interests - what Staln called " useful fools".
This relates to other threads here in which I have suggested that our foul society vilifies young men who end up engaging in silly punch ups around football because every other normal outlet of their positive energy and the ability to express themselves freely has been choked off from them.

I digress. What Forever Blue calls a bias against the majority is in fact a sophisticated and wicked control system in which the unlikely enforcers are the sandal wearing yogurt knitting arseholes who are given such prominence in their carefully contrived media and " education" systems . These young men who are so hated and belittled by the disloyal liberal elite have been the backbone of British victory over generations of the sort of ambitious tyrants these " do gooders" work for ,( knowingly or otherwise), and they have therefore must be destroyed to pave the way for the puppet masters' eventual Globalist ( that's a twisted way of saying world domination), ambitions.

You know, it's remarkable that such interesting matters arise here - I only joined to talk about the mighty Cardiff City, but it's very encouraging to discover how many people here are catching on to the way they're being conned !

Clearly not though is it it’s a trial because he breached the terms of his suspended sentence the dull prick

Whyhave a trial for something like this at The Old Bailey?

All I will say is, "THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH" plus "THE UK IS BIASED TO THE MAJORITY THANKS TO THE DO-GOODERS "

Annis, he broke the law. He also broke the terms of his license.

He deserves to be inside.

He is a crook and a racist

Please don't make me cut and past his criminal record and BNP/EDL memberships again

He is not the messiah he is a very naughty boy.

Clearly not though is it it’s a trial because he breached the terms of his suspended sentence the dull prick

Whyhave a trial for something like this at The Old Bailey?

All I will say is, "THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH" plus "THE UK IS BIASED TO THE MAJORITY THANKS TO THE DO-GOODERS "

Annis, he broke the law. He also broke the terms of his license.

He deserves to be inside.

It's just not that clear-cut though, it is a far more complex legal case and the only reason I can see for that is it is about who he is not what he has done. That is fundamentally wrong and it is a very worrying road to go down.

For example, he was never made aware of what the actual offence was, something acknowledged by the court of appeal - so how can so many people be convinced that he broke law when even the court of appeal admits that during the prosecution it was not made clear exactly what he had done to be found in contempt, so even TR doesn't not what law he broke?

This is something from a legal review of the court of appeal proceedings case that I thought was pretty well balanced... (You can find the full article @ http://www.keepcalmtalklaw.co.uk/tommy- ... -of-court/)

"Robinson also pointed towards the confusion caused by the fact that, contrary to the requirements under Part 48.7 of the CrPR, ‘no particulars of the alleged contempt were ever formulated’. This, it was argued, meant it was unclear as to the specific things Robinson was admitting and for what parts of his live-stream HHJ Marson QC considered Robinson to be guilty of contempt of court for breach of the postponement order under Section 4(2) of the CCA 1981.

The Court of Appeal again agreed, concluding that the failure to follow the requirements under Part 48.7 of the CrPR was 'much more than a technical failure’. Indeed, as Lord Burnett CJ said in R v Yaxley-Lennon [2018]:

In contempt proceedings, touching as they do on the liberty of the subject, there is a need for the contempt in question to be identified with precision and the conduct of the [appellant] identified with sufficient particularity to enable him, with the assistance of legal advice, to respond to what is a criminal charge, in all but name."

Even with that in mind and regardless on where people stand on TR views, I find it incredible so many people are willing to either accept the punishment meted out was in line with this specific civil crime that he has allegedly broken (whatever it actually was), or alternatively that so many significant mistakes could be made but so many senior professionals by Leeds police force, the Magistrate and then the prison system.

For example:

He was arrested for one crime then prosecuted for another,
Elland Road police station told his solicitor he was being released on bail
once the FB post had been deleted there was no immediate danger of him prejudicing an existing case so the judge had zero grounds to rush through the hearing and should have adjourned
The sentencing was draconian, disproportionate and completely unprecedented.
The reporting ban on TR's own Contempt case was completely illegal
his rights as a civil prisoner were neglected and he was treated within the prison system accordingly as a criminal prisoner (which is significantly different)
he was moved from a prison where he was relatively safe to one where for his own safety was such a risk he was advised to take voluntary solitude
the letters he wrote to his family in case he never made it out where withheld by the prison

... and the list goes on an on.

All for contempt of court? How anyone can not see this is a complete travesty and a miscarriage of justice to me just seems insane.

He is a crook and a racist

Please don't make me cut and past his criminal record and BNP/EDL memberships again

He is not the messiah he is a very naughty boy.

And this is why previous convictions are not allowed in court.

Let's be clear , do you want him to be punished for something he's done on this occasion or for being " a crook and a racist" ?

What you said there makes it very clear that you cannot form an objective opinion on the evidence and merely wish to see him convicted because you don't like his opinions and politics. That being so, you can hardly expect anything further you might say upon the matter to hold water.

I'm taking no position upon his guilt or otherwise because I haven't seen the evidence and I'm sure you haven't either, but he's certainly entitled to be judged upon the facts of this particular case rather than a whispering campaign about his past or anyone's view of his political opinions.

Clearly not though is it it’s a trial because he breached the terms of his suspended sentence the dull prick

Whyhave a trial for something like this at The Old Bailey?

All I will say is, "THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH" plus "THE UK IS BIASED TO THE MAJORITY THANKS TO THE DO-GOODERS "

Annis, he broke the law. He also broke the terms of his license.

He deserves to be inside.

im sure the court case is to determine whether he broke the law....and to what degree...and IF found guilty will decide what he deserves..
its really not clear if he broke the law or terms of license, it is however very clear that he was originally treated differently to how you would expect to be treated..
not sure why some people are so desperate for a man to go to prison irrelevant of whether he broke the law or not.
especially when the very same peoples original gripe was he was effecting others { peados and rapists } from having a fair trial...hypocrites

The guy deserves a medal.

He is a crook and a racist

Please don't make me cut and past his criminal record and BNP/EDL memberships again

He is not the messiah he is a very naughty boy.

The EDL started out as an anti Islamist group, founded when returning British Troops were abused and spat on by vermin on our streets, you probably think that’s ok though. Never mind cutting and pasting anything, just tell me one racist thing Tommy Robinson has said?
As for his treatment Tommy mortgage fraud ...sent to jail
Peter Mandelson mortgage fraud...given a seat in the House of Lords
Tommy passport irregularities...sent to jail
Peter Mandelson passport irregularities...given a seat in Lords.

He is a crook and a racist

Please don't make me cut and past his criminal record and BNP/EDL memberships again

He is not the messiah he is a very naughty boy.

The EDL started out as an anti Islamist group, founded when returning British Troops were abused and spat on by vermin on our streets, you probably think that’s ok though. Never mind cutting and pasting anything, just tell me one racist thing Tommy Robinson has said?
As for his treatment Tommy mortgage fraud ...sent to jail
Peter Mandelson mortgage fraud...given a seat in the House of Lords
Tommy passport irregularities...sent to jail
Peter Mandelson passport irregularities...given a seat in Lords.

I quite like him putting up the list tbh...

and and and never mind the content look how long it is....speaks volumes mate

He is a crook and a racist

Please don't make me cut and past his criminal record and BNP/EDL memberships again

He is not the messiah he is a very naughty boy.

The EDL started out as an anti Islamist group, founded when returning British Troops were abused and spat on by vermin on our streets, you probably think that’s ok though. Never mind cutting and pasting anything, just tell me one racist thing Tommy Robinson has said?
As for his treatment Tommy mortgage fraud ...sent to jail
Peter Mandelson mortgage fraud...given a seat in the House of Lords
Tommy passport irregularities...sent to jail
Peter Mandelson passport irregularities...given a seat in Lords.

I quite like him putting up the list tbh...

and and and never mind the content look how long it is....speaks volumes mate

It just occurred to me, are you two gentlemen military or ex military types by any chance?

He is a crook and a racist

Please don't make me cut and past his criminal record and BNP/EDL memberships again

He is not the messiah he is a very naughty boy.

The EDL started out as an anti Islamist group, founded when returning British Troops were abused and spat on by vermin on our streets, you probably think that’s ok though. Never mind cutting and pasting anything, just tell me one racist thing Tommy Robinson has said?
As for his treatment Tommy mortgage fraud ...sent to jail
Peter Mandelson mortgage fraud...given a seat in the House of Lords
Tommy passport irregularities...sent to jail
Peter Mandelson passport irregularities...given a seat in Lords.

I quite like him putting up the list tbh...

and and and never mind the content look how long it is....speaks volumes mate

It just occurred to me, are you two gentlemen military or ex military types by any chance?

My military career was four and a half drunken months in the RAF, so technically yes but in reality no

He is a crook and a racist

Please don't make me cut and past his criminal record and BNP/EDL memberships again

He is not the messiah he is a very naughty boy.

The EDL started out as an anti Islamist group, founded when returning British Troops were abused and spat on by vermin on our streets, you probably think that’s ok though. Never mind cutting and pasting anything, just tell me one racist thing Tommy Robinson has said?
As for his treatment Tommy mortgage fraud ...sent to jail
Peter Mandelson mortgage fraud...given a seat in the House of Lords
Tommy passport irregularities...sent to jail
Peter Mandelson passport irregularities...given a seat in Lords.

I quite like him putting up the list tbh...

and and and never mind the content look how long it is....speaks volumes mate

It just occurred to me, are you two gentlemen military or ex military types by any chance?

My military career was four and a half drunken months in the RAF, so technically yes but in reality no

No I guess not but no doubt fun, nonetheless. Why so short?

He is a crook and a racist

Please don't make me cut and past his criminal record and BNP/EDL memberships again

He is not the messiah he is a very naughty boy.

The EDL started out as an anti Islamist group, founded when returning British Troops were abused and spat on by vermin on our streets, you probably think that’s ok though. Never mind cutting and pasting anything, just tell me one racist thing Tommy Robinson has said?
As for his treatment Tommy mortgage fraud ...sent to jail
Peter Mandelson mortgage fraud...given a seat in the House of Lords
Tommy passport irregularities...sent to jail
Peter Mandelson passport irregularities...given a seat in Lords.

I quite like him putting up the list tbh...

and and and never mind the content look how long it is....speaks volumes mate

It just occurred to me, are you two gentlemen military or ex military types by any chance?

im not ..I just don't get the TR thing..
when originally arrested and jailed people queued up on here to explain how just and reasonable it was...
their solicitor mate had told them..,it was against the law and he was treated as you and I would be..how people outside courts shouting and supporting or indeed wanting the defendant to have the toughest sentence possible didn't happen ..how TRs actions would prejudice the case..

so they were wrong..? he was released and there are now people shouting outside his trial
but they still come on here totally ignoring they were wrong and saying much the same things...
.he might be guilty and if so will be found guilty and sentenced...I just don't get why some are so desperate for him to be guilty..

The guy deserves a medal.

Biggest tw*t award?