What do you expect we don't have the money

Do people know something I don't?


People moaning that we are not replicating wolves and Fulhams spending? This is why I hate the premier league, it's this sense of entitlement that we should be competitive, we defied the odds to even be here!!!!! People's memories are so short.
If you had thousands of pounds in debt would you go out buying a new Audi no you'd be limited to the reliant robin bargain bucket.

Silly analogies aside this season is a write off, these are the three ways things could work out imo.

1. We shock a few people and somehow stay up.

2. We go down and gobble up the parachute payments, decrease debt further and long contracts on players brought in could if needed be sold for profit to go again in the championship , or use them for another push. We will have a really good championship manager in Neil to help us (if he's not disheartened by fickle fans).

3. We spend loads of money we don't have ,to bridge a gap that's too big ,on players that may or may not turn good for us and we may go down with the baggage of premier wages on people that didn't show much at the bottom of the premier league and don't get sold.

We will need to have money when or if we go down to even keep the squad we have on increased wages.

It's a rare thing to be a club in profit and I think it's a good thing to look for a sustainable future. We were bottom of the championship struggling under Trollope and slade, we are in a good place even though it doesn't appear that way.

Have some patience and enjoy the season because I have a hopefull feeling we may upset a few. But if not who cares, I prefer the championship anyway and I'd prefer a championship team not in debt to one knocking of the door of administration and liquidation.

Sorry to rant , it's just so frustrating seeing fans divided

i havent seen a single person say we should replicate wolves and fulhams spending

i havent seen a single person say we should replicate wolves and fulhams spending

No maybe not to that extent for splashing 70 mill, but people crying out for 16 mill punts on rondon and 5 new signings and various things that are unrealistic, with the gap in spending quite large it would require us to go all in again and jepordise our financial situation. Its the expectation that annoys me.

i havent seen a single person say we should replicate wolves and fulhams spending

No maybe not to that extent for splashing 70 mill, but people crying out for 16 mill punts on rondon and 5 new signings and various things that are unrealistic, with the gap in spending quite large it would require us to go all in again and jepordise our financial situation. Its the expectation that annoys me.

ive only seen the fans on here expecting to have signed a few more than we currently have, not sure whats wrong with that.

Well maybe we have been reading different posts, I just hope this board doesn't turn to a boiling pot of arguing just because people will have ammunition for people to say " I told you we should have spent more" when we loose a few on the bounce,

I’ve been reading the same thing fordy, and people need to stop thinking money is the way to do it!
Last time we came up we spent stupid amount on wages, agent fees and transfer fees! And we got shafted this season we’ve got a team who are together and deserve there chance in the big time! Add a few faces which will add a little more quality (which is what we’ve done) maybe 2 midfielders and a striker but I’m not bothered if we only end up with one midfielder as I think we have enough to stay up with our team spirit!

No one is saying we should be blowing money. However last year our turnover was in the region of £30million and we lost around £10 million. This year our turnover will be about 100 million more. Given these figures its not unreasonable to expect to use at least 40 million of that to strengthen the side. Even allowing for increased wages this should still give a healthy profit for the club and leave a comfortable reserve for the following year. By my reckoning we should easily be able to afford up to a further £20 million on what we have already spent for the right players. Finding them is another matter admittedly, but I cant buy into the lack of funds argument. If we don't spend any more we will be looking at a profit of about £50million this year and probable relegation. Its frustrating because with another couple of players we could surprise a few people and finish a lot higher than just outside the relegation zone.

i havent seen a single person say we should replicate wolves and fulhams spending

No maybe not to that extent for splashing 70 mill, but people crying out for 16 mill punts on rondon and 5 new signings and various things that are unrealistic, with the gap in spending quite large it would require us to go all in again and jepordise our financial situation. Its the expectation that annoys me.

ive only seen the fans on here expecting to have signed a few more than we currently have, not sure whats wrong with that.

no one has said we should replicate those clubs..but many have implied we should be spending considerably more using those clubs as examples.
personally i figured we might spend 30 mill and its not far off that now.
and last time.? it was ourselves the big spenders out of the promoted teams and ourselves relegated and bottom come May.

No one is saying we should be blowing money. However last year our turnover was in the region of £30million and we lost around £10 million. This year our turnover will be about 100 million more. Given these figures its not unreasonable to expect to use at least 40 million of that to strengthen the side. Even allowing for increased wages this should still give a healthy profit for the club and leave a comfortable reserve for the following year. By my reckoning we should easily be able to afford up to a further £20 million on what we have already spent for the right players. Finding them is another matter admittedly, but I cant buy into the lack of funds argument. If we don't spend any more we will be looking at a profit of about £50million this year and probable relegation. Its frustrating because with another couple of players we could surprise a few people and finish a lot higher than just outside the relegation zone.

Well said I am happy that the club is in good hands and that the correct financial decisions will be made. My only concern is that fact whether the club will be over cautious expecting NW to produce miracles again in the Premiership on a small budget. The club will get at least get 100m from TV then add on top all the other aspects, Merchandise, hospitality, etc. To “invest” 35-40% of that money is not going to break the bank. Shrewd investment, Premiership survival and bingo another cash windfall next summer.

No one is saying we should be blowing money. However last year our turnover was in the region of £30million and we lost around £10 million. This year our turnover will be about 100 million more. Given these figures its not unreasonable to expect to use at least 40 million of that to strengthen the side. Even allowing for increased wages this should still give a healthy profit for the club and leave a comfortable reserve for the following year. By my reckoning we should easily be able to afford up to a further £20 million on what we have already spent for the right players. Finding them is another matter admittedly, but I cant buy into the lack of funds argument. If we don't spend any more we will be looking at a profit of about £50million this year and probable relegation. Its frustrating because with another couple of players we could surprise a few people and finish a lot higher than just outside the relegation zone.

Well said I am happy that the club is in good hands and that the correct financial decisions will be made. My only concern is that fact whether the club will be over cautious expecting NW to produce miracles again in the Premiership on a small budget. The club will get at least get 100m from TV then add on top all the other aspects, Merchandise, hospitality, etc. To “invest” 35-40% of that money is not going to break the bank. Shrewd investment, Premiership survival and bingo another cash windfall next summer.

I don't think we know the actual figures for the season just ended as far as I am aware the last set of accounts that were posted only went to May 2017. If we lost £10m pounds last season, that is in addition to the £60m or £70m that is reported to be still outstanding. I have no idea how accurate all these estimates are, but if they are close we are already starting with a £70m deficit before any payments are made or received. I expect someone on here will have a more accurate figure, but we cetainly had huge debts here just a short time ago.

i havent seen a single person say we should replicate wolves and fulhams spending

Yep!

The OP is putting across his own views as to the situation and (if I might say) missing the net wider than Frédéric Vinami Henri Gounongbe

Our fans moan about lots but not about spending the amounts of those two clubs

Maybe I read a few things wrong then, but it was defiantly how I saw the moaning about being competitive and we need to spend more. Yes it was a little bit over exaggerated because we never would spend that amount but, you can see where Vincent tan and Neil are in between a rock and a hard place, we can't spend like those that came up with us so there's a rift automatically between where our budget is and where it needs to be.

The op was born out of frustration in regards to the desperation for money to be spent just because we are in the premier where others are just happy to be here. It's just so frantic and exciting atm and I think some people just forget how
We got here, but again everyone's entitled to their opinions I just got a sneaking suspicion that those expecting big things will be first to turnn

No one is saying we should be blowing money. However last year our turnover was in the region of £30million and we lost around £10 million. This year our turnover will be about 100 million more. Given these figures its not unreasonable to expect to use at least 40 million of that to strengthen the side. Even allowing for increased wages this should still give a healthy profit for the club and leave a comfortable reserve for the following year. By my reckoning we should easily be able to afford up to a further £20 million on what we have already spent for the right players. Finding them is another matter admittedly, but I cant buy into the lack of funds argument. If we don't spend any more we will be looking at a profit of about £50million this year and probable relegation. Its frustrating because with another couple of players we could surprise a few people and finish a lot higher than just outside the relegation zone.

I understand that but it's hard to have our hand out when he's just cleared loads of our debt, the profit we hold onto now will help us in years to come,and id prefer to have more to spend in the championship than risk it ,still go down,take prem wages with us . Usually the three weakest teams are those just come up and when they are spending soo much it makes sense getting a few more for the future.

Do people know something I don't?


People moaning that we are not replicating wolves and Fulhams spending? This is why I hate the premier league, it's this sense of entitlement that we should be competitive, we defied the odds to even be here!!!!! People's memories are so short.
If you had thousands of pounds in debt would you go out buying a new Audi no you'd be limited to the reliant robin bargain bucket.

Silly analogies aside this season is a write off, these are the three ways things could work out imo.

1. We shock a few people and somehow stay up.

2. We go down and gobble up the parachute payments, decrease debt further and long contracts on players brought in could if needed be sold for profit to go again in the championship , or use them for another push. We will have a really good championship manager in Neil to help us (if he's not disheartened by fickle fans).

3. We spend loads of money we don't have ,to bridge a gap that's too big ,on players that may or may not turn good for us and we may go down with the baggage of premier wages on people that didn't show much at the bottom of the premier league and don't get sold.

We will need to have money when or if we go down to even keep the squad we have on increased wages.

It's a rare thing to be a club in profit and I think it's a good thing to look for a sustainable future. We were bottom of the championship struggling under Trollope and slade, we are in a good place even though it doesn't appear that way.

Have some patience and enjoy the season because I have a hopefull feeling we may upset a few. But if not who cares, I prefer the championship anyway and I'd prefer a championship team not in debt to one knocking of the door of administration and liquidation.

Sorry to rant , it's just so frustrating seeing fans divided

I'm getting a little bit tired of people saying we don't have money,of course we have money the trouble is since "In Mackay we trust"fiasco Tan refuses to spend to much of it and coupel that with having Warnock saying he loves noyhing more than saving Tan money,enough said I think

Do people know something I don't?


People moaning that we are not replicating wolves and Fulhams spending? This is why I hate the premier league, it's this sense of entitlement that we should be competitive, we defied the odds to even be here!!!!! People's memories are so short.
If you had thousands of pounds in debt would you go out buying a new Audi no you'd be limited to the reliant robin bargain bucket.

Silly analogies aside this season is a write off, these are the three ways things could work out imo.

1. We shock a few people and somehow stay up.

2. We go down and gobble up the parachute payments, decrease debt further and long contracts on players brought in could if needed be sold for profit to go again in the championship , or use them for another push. We will have a really good championship manager in Neil to help us (if he's not disheartened by fickle fans).

3. We spend loads of money we don't have ,to bridge a gap that's too big ,on players that may or may not turn good for us and we may go down with the baggage of premier wages on people that didn't show much at the bottom of the premier league and don't get sold.

We will need to have money when or if we go down to even keep the squad we have on increased wages.

It's a rare thing to be a club in profit and I think it's a good thing to look for a sustainable future. We were bottom of the championship struggling under Trollope and slade, we are in a good place even though it doesn't appear that way.

Have some patience and enjoy the season because I have a hopefull feeling we may upset a few. But if not who cares, I prefer the championship anyway and I'd prefer a championship team not in debt to one knocking of the door of administration and liquidation.

Sorry to rant , it's just so frustrating seeing fans divided

I'm getting a little bit tired of people saying we don't have money,of course we have money the trouble is since "In Mackay we trust"fiasco Tan refuses to spend to much of it and coupel that with having Warnock saying he loves noyhing more than saving Tan money,enough said I think

When you say "we" I assume you mean Tan. Always a lot easier gambling with money as it long belongs to someone else. I wonder if Tan suggested fans donate £10k each towards team strengthening, with money plus interest back if we survive. or lose the lot if we go down, how many would take up that offer.

Do people know something I don't?


People moaning that we are not replicating wolves and Fulhams spending? This is why I hate the premier league, it's this sense of entitlement that we should be competitive, we defied the odds to even be here!!!!! People's memories are so short.
If you had thousands of pounds in debt would you go out buying a new Audi no you'd be limited to the reliant robin bargain bucket.

Silly analogies aside this season is a write off, these are the three ways things could work out imo.

1. We shock a few people and somehow stay up.

2. We go down and gobble up the parachute payments, decrease debt further and long contracts on players brought in could if needed be sold for profit to go again in the championship , or use them for another push. We will have a really good championship manager in Neil to help us (if he's not disheartened by fickle fans).

3. We spend loads of money we don't have ,to bridge a gap that's too big ,on players that may or may not turn good for us and we may go down with the baggage of premier wages on people that didn't show much at the bottom of the premier league and don't get sold.

We will need to have money when or if we go down to even keep the squad we have on increased wages.

It's a rare thing to be a club in profit and I think it's a good thing to look for a sustainable future. We were bottom of the championship struggling under Trollope and slade, we are in a good place even though it doesn't appear that way.

Have some patience and enjoy the season because I have a hopefull feeling we may upset a few. But if not who cares, I prefer the championship anyway and I'd prefer a championship team not in debt to one knocking of the door of administration and liquidation.

Sorry to rant , it's just so frustrating seeing fans divided

I'm getting a little bit tired of people saying we don't have money,of course we have money the trouble is since "In Mackay we trust"fiasco Tan refuses to spend to much of it and coupel that with having Warnock saying he loves noyhing more than saving Tan money,enough said I think

When you say "we" I assume you mean Tan. Always a lot easier gambling with money as it long belongs to someone else. I wonder if Tan suggested fans donate £10k each towards team strengthening, with money plus interest back if we survive. or lose the lot if we go down, how many would take up that offer.

I wouldn't if I'm honest but there again in not a billionaire,tell me could you afford to invest 10 thousand pounds?

Do people know something I don't?


People moaning that we are not replicating wolves and Fulhams spending? This is why I hate the premier league, it's this sense of entitlement that we should be competitive, we defied the odds to even be here!!!!! People's memories are so short.
If you had thousands of pounds in debt would you go out buying a new Audi no you'd be limited to the reliant robin bargain bucket.

Silly analogies aside this season is a write off, these are the three ways things could work out imo.

1. We shock a few people and somehow stay up.

2. We go down and gobble up the parachute payments, decrease debt further and long contracts on players brought in could if needed be sold for profit to go again in the championship , or use them for another push. We will have a really good championship manager in Neil to help us (if he's not disheartened by fickle fans).

3. We spend loads of money we don't have ,to bridge a gap that's too big ,on players that may or may not turn good for us and we may go down with the baggage of premier wages on people that didn't show much at the bottom of the premier league and don't get sold.

We will need to have money when or if we go down to even keep the squad we have on increased wages.

It's a rare thing to be a club in profit and I think it's a good thing to look for a sustainable future. We were bottom of the championship struggling under Trollope and slade, we are in a good place even though it doesn't appear that way.

Have some patience and enjoy the season because I have a hopefull feeling we may upset a few. But if not who cares, I prefer the championship anyway and I'd prefer a championship team not in debt to one knocking of the door of administration and liquidation.

Sorry to rant , it's just so frustrating seeing fans divided

I'm getting a little bit tired of people saying we don't have money,of course we have money the trouble is since "In Mackay we trust"fiasco Tan refuses to spend to much of it and coupel that with having Warnock saying he loves noyhing more than saving Tan money,enough said I think

When you say "we" I assume you mean Tan. Always a lot easier gambling with money as it long belongs to someone else. I wonder if Tan suggested fans donate £10k each towards team strengthening, with money plus interest back if we survive. or lose the lot if we go down, how many would take up that offer.

I wouldn't if I'm honest but there again in not a billionaire,tell me could you afford to invest 10 thousand pounds?

he is a billiuonaire but not a local who grew up supporting our club..he dug us out of a hole, rolled the dice and lost so is now keeping us stable...and promotion isnt bad for a club trying to remain stable..i dont see its for us to complain tbh ,its not even as if he gets much credit no matter what he does.

Do people know something I don't?


People moaning that we are not replicating wolves and Fulhams spending? This is why I hate the premier league, it's this sense of entitlement that we should be competitive, we defied the odds to even be here!!!!! People's memories are so short.
If you had thousands of pounds in debt would you go out buying a new Audi no you'd be limited to the reliant robin bargain bucket.

Silly analogies aside this season is a write off, these are the three ways things could work out imo.

1. We shock a few people and somehow stay up.

2. We go down and gobble up the parachute payments, decrease debt further and long contracts on players brought in could if needed be sold for profit to go again in the championship , or use them for another push. We will have a really good championship manager in Neil to help us (if he's not disheartened by fickle fans).

3. We spend loads of money we don't have ,to bridge a gap that's too big ,on players that may or may not turn good for us and we may go down with the baggage of premier wages on people that didn't show much at the bottom of the premier league and don't get sold.

We will need to have money when or if we go down to even keep the squad we have on increased wages.

It's a rare thing to be a club in profit and I think it's a good thing to look for a sustainable future. We were bottom of the championship struggling under Trollope and slade, we are in a good place even though it doesn't appear that way.

Have some patience and enjoy the season because I have a hopefull feeling we may upset a few. But if not who cares, I prefer the championship anyway and I'd prefer a championship team not in debt to one knocking of the door of administration and liquidation.

Sorry to rant , it's just so frustrating seeing fans divided

I'm getting a little bit tired of people saying we don't have money,of course we have money the trouble is since "In Mackay we trust"fiasco Tan refuses to spend to much of it and coupel that with having Warnock saying he loves noyhing more than saving Tan money,enough said I think

When you say "we" I assume you mean Tan. Always a lot easier gambling with money as it long belongs to someone else. I wonder if Tan suggested fans donate £10k each towards team strengthening, with money plus interest back if we survive. or lose the lot if we go down, how many would take up that offer.

I wouldn't if I'm honest but there again in not a billionaire,tell me could you afford to invest 10 thousand pounds?

he is a billiuonaire but not a local who grew up supporting our club..he dug us out of a hole, rolled the dice and lost so is now keeping us stable...and promotion isnt bad for a club trying to remain stable..i dont see its for us to complain tbh ,its not even as if he gets much credit no matter what he does.

Of course I'm not belittling what Tan has invested into our club but I honestly believe it's not so much about money spent on transfers but how ambitious Tan is in keeping City in the Premiership and as far as that goes,the jury is still out

Do people know something I don't?


People moaning that we are not replicating wolves and Fulhams spending? This is why I hate the premier league, it's this sense of entitlement that we should be competitive, we defied the odds to even be here!!!!! People's memories are so short.
If you had thousands of pounds in debt would you go out buying a new Audi no you'd be limited to the reliant robin bargain bucket.

Silly analogies aside this season is a write off, these are the three ways things could work out imo.

1. We shock a few people and somehow stay up.

2. We go down and gobble up the parachute payments, decrease debt further and long contracts on players brought in could if needed be sold for profit to go again in the championship , or use them for another push. We will have a really good championship manager in Neil to help us (if he's not disheartened by fickle fans).

3. We spend loads of money we don't have ,to bridge a gap that's too big ,on players that may or may not turn good for us and we may go down with the baggage of premier wages on people that didn't show much at the bottom of the premier league and don't get sold.

We will need to have money when or if we go down to even keep the squad we have on increased wages.

It's a rare thing to be a club in profit and I think it's a good thing to look for a sustainable future. We were bottom of the championship struggling under Trollope and slade, we are in a good place even though it doesn't appear that way.

Have some patience and enjoy the season because I have a hopefull feeling we may upset a few. But if not who cares, I prefer the championship anyway and I'd prefer a championship team not in debt to one knocking of the door of administration and liquidation.

Sorry to rant , it's just so frustrating seeing fans divided

I'm getting a little bit tired of people saying we don't have money,of course we have money the trouble is since "In Mackay we trust"fiasco Tan refuses to spend to much of it and coupel that with having Warnock saying he loves noyhing more than saving Tan money,enough said I think

When you say "we" I assume you mean Tan. Always a lot easier gambling with money as it long belongs to someone else. I wonder if Tan suggested fans donate £10k each towards team strengthening, with money plus interest back if we survive. or lose the lot if we go down, how many would take up that offer.

I wouldn't if I'm honest but there again in not a billionaire,tell me could you afford to invest 10 thousand pounds?

he is a billiuonaire but not a local who grew up supporting our club..he dug us out of a hole, rolled the dice and lost so is now keeping us stable...and promotion isnt bad for a club trying to remain stable..i dont see its for us to complain tbh ,its not even as if he gets much credit no matter what he does.

According To the up to date Forbes list (which is usually close) his net worth is just over $800m which I think is about £680m or so. His wealth has already gone down from $1.2b a few years back. A fair percentage of his wealth has already gone into this club. He gambled big last time we were here and got his fingers burnt. I think he will not make the same mistake a second time. Big time wreckless gamblers often end up skint, astute businessmen usually make money.

Do people know something I don't?


People moaning that we are not replicating wolves and Fulhams spending? This is why I hate the premier league, it's this sense of entitlement that we should be competitive, we defied the odds to even be here!!!!! People's memories are so short.
If you had thousands of pounds in debt would you go out buying a new Audi no you'd be limited to the reliant robin bargain bucket.

Silly analogies aside this season is a write off, these are the three ways things could work out imo.

1. We shock a few people and somehow stay up.

2. We go down and gobble up the parachute payments, decrease debt further and long contracts on players brought in could if needed be sold for profit to go again in the championship , or use them for another push. We will have a really good championship manager in Neil to help us (if he's not disheartened by fickle fans).

3. We spend loads of money we don't have ,to bridge a gap that's too big ,on players that may or may not turn good for us and we may go down with the baggage of premier wages on people that didn't show much at the bottom of the premier league and don't get sold.

We will need to have money when or if we go down to even keep the squad we have on increased wages.

It's a rare thing to be a club in profit and I think it's a good thing to look for a sustainable future. We were bottom of the championship struggling under Trollope and slade, we are in a good place even though it doesn't appear that way.

Have some patience and enjoy the season because I have a hopefull feeling we may upset a few. But if not who cares, I prefer the championship anyway and I'd prefer a championship team not in debt to one knocking of the door of administration and liquidation.

Sorry to rant , it's just so frustrating seeing fans divided

I'm getting a little bit tired of people saying we don't have money,of course we have money the trouble is since "In Mackay we trust"fiasco Tan refuses to spend to much of it and coupel that with having Warnock saying he loves noyhing more than saving Tan money,enough said I think

When you say "we" I assume you mean Tan. Always a lot easier gambling with money as it long belongs to someone else. I wonder if Tan suggested fans donate £10k each towards team strengthening, with money plus interest back if we survive. or lose the lot if we go down, how many would take up that offer.

I wouldn't if I'm honest but there again in not a billionaire,tell me could you afford to invest 10 thousand pounds?

he is a billiuonaire but not a local who grew up supporting our club..he dug us out of a hole, rolled the dice and lost so is now keeping us stable...and promotion isnt bad for a club trying to remain stable..i dont see its for us to complain tbh ,its not even as if he gets much credit no matter what he does.

Of course I'm not belittling what Tan has invested into our club but I honestly believe it's not so much about money spent on transfers but how ambitious Tan is in keeping City in the Premiership and as far as that goes,the jury is still out

i have no idea what goes through the blokes mind..but if it were me running a club thousands of miles away id be more than a bit disappointed at our ST sales.and absolutely gutted at last years promotion crowds..
might be way off the mark here..

I thought it has been confirmed that Warnock still had £10 mill plus available but, as yet, NW has not found the players that he wants. Simple as. also with persuasion Tan would prob provide a bit more. E.g. Someone like kodja could have been a possible - interesting to see how he plays for Villa tonight.

I thought it has been confirmed that Warnock still had £10 mill plus available but, as yet, NW has not found the players that he wants. Simple as. also with persuasion Tan would prob provide a bit more. E.g. Someone like kodja could have been a possible - interesting to see how he plays for Villa tonight.

What he actually said was that he should have £10m left to spend. He had mentioned the Huddersfield budget as well. Not sure if he meant that he actually had money left to spend, or if he should have when compared to what Huddersfield had spent. Also don't know if the money left was to include wages, agents fees, signing on fees and everything else that seems to be added on. He also said once or twice that he was looking to bring in two players on loan, and the way I understood it was that would be our lot. I may have got it wrong, and perhaps he meant two loan players and one permanent signing.