UPDATED: PLEA TO CARDIFF CITY FANS

PLEA TO CARDIFF CITY FANS

Just read Oliver holt article (see below) on Neil Warnock in the Mail on Sunday; a great article.

I hope we enjoy this season, 'cos I didn’t the last time we were there in the Premier League. Too much unrest behind the scenes and the football took a back seat.

I hope the fans don’t call for Neil Warnock’s head and boo the players if they lose the first ten games without a shot on goal.

Let’s make the stadium a hellish place to come for the opposition and not our own. Just remember 4 years ago Leicester won the Championship on a budget and look what’s happened to them.

Let’s consolidate, grab the money and by going up and down a couple of times and we could really become a big club



The article (in full)

Angling for survival: Perennial underdog Neil Warnock says keeping Cardiff in the Premier League would be the greatest achievement of his 38 years as a manager
By Oliver Holt (for Mail on Sunday)


[list=]Cardiff's Neil Warnock, who will be 70 in December, is not ready for the quiet life
Last season he won a record eighth promotion taking Cardiff back to top flight
Each spell out of three in Premier League has ended with relegation or the sack
Cardiff, who defied expectations last term, will have lowest wage bill in division[/list]


Neil Warnock is sitting at an outside table at a Champneys resort in the countryside near Ashby-de-la-Zouch. Behind him, guests are lying on sun-loungers or padding around in bathrobes in the heat of the early afternoon. Now and again, one of them gets up and disappears inside for a massage or a spa treatment.

George Best spent some of his final years in one of these retreats that feel as if they are marooned somewhere between dated hotel and upmarket care home. It seems like yesterday in here and it makes Warnock feel uneasy. It’s the kind of place where his undying energy strikes a discordant note.

He will be 70 in December and it is 38 years since he sat down at an oak table in the boardroom at the Northolme and was interviewed for the job as manager of Gainsborough Trinity in the Northern Premier League but he is not ready for the quiet life just yet. The truth is that he is the type of man who will never be ready for the quiet life.


Once, a few years ago, he thought about retirement. But he and his wife, Sharon, realised instinctively that he would wither without the game. So she sent him back out on the road and last season he carved out his own place in English football history by winning a record eighth promotion, taking Cardiff City back to the top flight.

He wanted that more than he has wanted anything in his career and he is happy for his record in the lower leagues to define him. But there is one last thing: he has managed three times in the Premier League — with Sheffield United, Queens Park Rangers and Crystal Palace — and each spell has ended either with relegation or the sack. If he can keep Cardiff up this season, it will eclipse all he has done.

It is a sweltering day in this constant English summer and there has been a problem with the air-conditioning in the rooms where he and his Cardiff players have spent a chunk of their pre-season. The problem is there isn’t any. Warnock laughs about that with the cackle he reserves for moments when he wants to express amusement about some form of adversity.


Today, he cackles a lot. Like when he talks me through Cardiff’s early-season opponents. ‘Then we hit September,’ he says. ‘Arsenal at home, Chelsea away, Man City at home. When the fixtures came out, they asked me what I thought about that run. I said, “To be honest, I can’t see us getting more than seven points out of those three”.’

Like when he says how much he admires Jurgen Klopp and his infectious enthusiasm for the game. I ask him if he’s looking forward to meeting the Liverpool manager when Cardiff play at Anfield on October 27. ‘I don’t mind meeting him,’ Warnock says. ‘It’s playing them that I’m not really looking forward to.’

And like when he talks about some of the dazzling individual talents his team of underdogs may face as their season back in the big time unfolds. ‘Even I look at some of the teams and purr,’ he says. ‘De Bruyne: oh my God. When I watch Hazard, I am thinking, “Come on Real Madrid, buy him, for God’s sake”. When I watch Willian, I think, “Come on Barcelona, what are you doing?”’


Beyond all the self-deprecation and the jovial prophecies of doom, the truth is that Warnock is raring to go. He has been an underdog his whole life and for 40 years in management, from the moment he first took charge of Todwick in the Sheffield and District Sunday League in the winter of his playing career, he has been nourished by the doubts and the sneers of others.

He has lived a full life in football. Not a life that has been handed to him but a life he has carved out for himself. He collected the 50p-a-week subs at Todwick and took the kit to the launderette. At Gainsborough Trinity, he made his players take on the local pubs at darts in a publicity drive. He has taken teams to Corby Town and Wootton Blue Cross. He is steeped in our game.

When he took his first official managerial post at Gainsborough in 1980, he combined it with working as a chiropodist out of premises at 291a Sheffield Road in Tinsley. ‘When I stopped making my living with my feet,’ he wrote in his autobiography, ‘I started making my living with other people’s feet.’


From Gainsborough to Burton Albion to Scarborough to Notts County to Huddersfield Town to Plymouth Argyle and onwards and upwards, he made his reputation by proving others wrong. If he does it again this season by keeping Cardiff City in the Premier League, it will, he says, be the greatest achievement even of his life in English football.

‘The idea of taking a club up and keeping them up absolutely drives me,’ he says. ‘It would be the biggest achievement in my life by a mile. If I fail, so what? I’ll give it a go and then the club can do what they want. I’ll give it my best shot.’

Summer recruitment has consisted so far of four buys from the Championship: Josh Murphy from Norwich, Bobby Reid from Bristol City, Alex Smithies from QPR and Greg Cunningham from Preston. Warnock is trying to avoid mistakes of the past by sticking to what he knows and sticking to the type of player who responds to him.

Cardiff, who defied all expectations last season by securing automatic promotion, will have the lowest wage bill in the division, almost half that of Huddersfield Town, for instance. Amid their rivals to avoid the drop, they have spent less in the transfer market than any other side bar Watford. It is no surprise, perhaps, that the bookmakers have installed Warnock’s team as firm favourites to finish bottom of the table.

Warnock loves that. It is what he wants. It is what he is relishing. ‘I’m looking forward to the challenge,’ he says. ‘Last season, everyone wrote us off before a ball had been kicked and said we were going to finish bottom half and yet they were brilliant. Now, we have to step up another level and we know it’s going to be difficult.

‘We are trying to do it on a miracle. We have got to try and embrace the fact that nobody gives us a chance. Going back to my Scarborough days, we had 17 new players and we were heavy favourites to go down and we ended up winning the league. We’ve defied expectations at this club before and we’re going to have a real go at doing it again.

‘Mehmet (Dalman), the chairman, and Vincent (Tan), the owner, didn’t want to overspend this summer and I said I was happy with that. I said I’d try and build the club sensibly so that if things didn’t work out, they’d have a better base for the longer term. The fans here have been brilliant with me and this is about more than just this season. It’s about building a base for long-term success and I’m delighted the club has got permission for a new training ground.

‘The one thing we are assured of is 30,000 at home and an intimidating atmosphere. They have really come on board, the fans. I don’t think their expectations are going to be stifling. We will do our best and I think there’ll be some excitement. We are on telly already three times at home. There are always goals when the cameras come. It’s not always us scoring them but there you go.’


Even if the Premier League has not been kind to him, he has fond memories of it. There is the obligatory one: sitting in Sir Alex Ferguson’s office at Old Trafford after a game, drinking a glass of red wine and chewing the fat.

But his mind also drifts back to a barnstormer of a game at Bramall Lane when Sheffield United beat Arsenal 1-0 on a filthy night in December 2006 and the away fixture at the newly opened Emirates earlier that season.

‘When we went to the Emirates the first time in September 2006,’ Warnock says, ‘I was in the centre circle with Arsene Wenger. And he’s a big lad, isn’t he? I was looking up to him. I said to him, “Look at the dugouts, they’re miles away from each other. You’ll not hear me today”. And he just looked at one dugout and then the other and then he looked down at me and he said,“You will find a way”.’


He shakes his head when I ask if he had ever thought about handing the reins to someone else once he had secured promotion with Cardiff and moving on to another club that needed saving and rebooting. When you have been in management as long as he has, there are always precedents and the situation he faces now is the same as when he turned down the chance to move to Chelsea when he had won promotion with Notts County in 1991.

‘I had inquiries from a Championship club in the summer,’ Warnock says, ‘and I suppose in some ways it would have been easier for me to leave. But I didn’t leave Notts County when I was there because I loved the players and the players had done everything for me and I didn’t feel like I should let them down.

‘It’s the same situation now. This season, the best chance this group of players have got is me staying because if a new manager came in, I think the spirit would change and they would lose what has made us good. The only chance we have got is our togetherness.

'I thought it was important that we didn’t dilute the spirit with the summer signings because it’s the spirit that has got us where we are. They deserve a chance, these lads. Look at (Nathaniel) Mendez-Laing, who came from Rochdale. (Neil) Etheridge from Walsall, the goalkeeper, a free transfer. Sol Bamba was nowhere when I picked him up, Junior Hoilett couldn’t get a club. They have all got something to prove. They are all like me.

‘If ever they wanted to sack me, I’d be happy with that. I’d get another job and try and get my ninth promotion. So that wouldn’t worry me. It’s unusual because I don’t actually know where the club would go if they sacked me. You can’t change what we’ve got in the dressing room.

‘The fans are on board. On the forums, they are saying, “If we go down, we go down, and then Warnock will be the best one to take us back up”. If it were the opposite and there were hatred, if the fans turned in October or November, I’d walk away. I wouldn’t want to do it if the fans weren’t on board.’

He added: ‘I don’t know who would replace me. I don’t mean that in a big-headed way. It’s just that we are what we are and I’m not sure anyone could get more out of these players than me. We have got a good group. We will entertain but we will have bad runs. Unless you are in that top group, everyone will have bad runs now and again.

‘The fact is that the only chance I’ve ever had of managing in the Premier League is by taking a club up so I understand you’re going to be up against it because all my teams have been up against it.

‘But when you ask if I’m apprehensive, well, I looked at the fixtures and I thought, “Where would you rather go — Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge or Deepdale on a Tuesday night?” We got battered at Deepdale last season. We got battered at Bolton, too.

‘I’m not knocking Preston and Bolton but when I look at our fixtures this season, I’ve got a big smile on my face. I’m looking at them and thinking, “Bloody hell”. We’re playing at Tottenham’s new stadium in their second home game there. It’s like a fairy tale really.

‘What I’m looking forward to the most is 10 to five when the whistle goes and we have won our first game in the Premier League and then going back to my own room, having a shower, sitting down and taking it all in. That evening will be the best evening of my life, football-wise, because I will be doing it with this club and I know how far we have come.’

Around the other side of the hotel, a couple of Cardiff players are sitting by a lake, dangling fishing rods into the cool water. ‘It’s a lovely spot,’ says Warnock. ‘Hey, why don’t we take a photo out there later with me fishing. I can see the headline already, “Pressure? What pressure?”’


Report and video interview at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... nager.html

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Just read Oliver holt article on Neil warnock in the mail great article. I hope we enjoy this season cos I didn’t the last time we were in the premier to much unrest behind the scenes and the football took a back seat. I hope the fans don’t call for Neil’s head and boo the players if they lose the first ten games and don’t have a shot on goal. So let’s make the stadium a hellish place to come for the opposition and not our own. Just remember 4 years ago Leicester won the championship on a budget and look what’s happened to them. Let’s consolidate grab the money by going up and down a couple of times and we could really become a big club.

Well said.It's not the end of the world if we go down.We have bought some top championship players who are young and hungry so even if we do get relegated i can still see city going from strength to strength.Let's just enjoy the experience this time-no arguements,players who give their all,great manager,full stadium,and playing in blue."HAPPY DAY'S"

Sadly fickle fans will call for his head and boo the players after a few consecutive defeats.

Now we’ve got to the premier we need to strengthen in certain areas as NW has stated to stand a chance of avoiding relegation. It’d be a shame if we went strait back down, we do have money left in the kitty.

Whilst I agree with the sentiment, if we lose the first ten games then you’d have to argue a change is needed. He hasnt addressed the clubs biggest weakness and only he is to blame, players are available but he doesn’t want to pay the over the odds, I get that but that’s modern football, most players are over priced mercenaries.

So whilst I have no expectations, if we lose first 10 questions must be asked no one wants to go out on a record low or be whipping boys for a year thinking we can yo yo. We have a week to take a small gamble on 2 big players. With what we spent so far it would only be a small gamble.

Whilst I agree with the sentiment, if we lose the first ten games then you’d have to argue a change is needed. He hasnt addressed the clubs biggest weakness and only he is to blame, players are available but he doesn’t want to pay the over the odds, I get that but that’s modern football, most players are over priced mercenaries.

So whilst I have no expectations, if we lose first 10 questions must be asked no one wants to go out on a record low or be whipping boys for a year thinking we can yo yo. We have a week to take a small gamble on 2 big players. With what we spent so far it would only be a small gamble.

I heard NW had a chance to sign someone but lost out because he was waiting on Grujic, could prove costly and ammunition for the boo boys.

Biggest problem may be the usual 16,000ish who are regulars being joined by 14,000 others who only want Premier League football and will have the blinkers on and not see the bigger picture.

I think most of the fans who have been at the CCS for the last few seasons will support the team through thick or thin. We will get some boo boys no doubt, but most of those will probably have not been to many games since the last time we were in the PL, and won't be there if we end up going back down. Only usually a very small number who give our players grief when they are struggling, and I doubt if there are many fans on this forum who won't get right behind the team providing they are giving it 100%, even when we are struggling to get a result. Plenty of different views on here, but one thing we all have in common is that we want to see the club succeed, and most of us know the players need our support if they are to get the results we are hoping for over the next 9 months.

I think most of the fans who have been at the CCS for the last few seasons will support the team through thick or thin. We will get some boo boys no doubt, but most of those will probably have not been to many games since the last time we were in the PL, and won't be there if we end up going back down. Only usually a very small number who give our players grief when they are struggling, and I doubt if there are many fans on this forum who won't get right behind the team providing they are giving it 100%, even when we are struggling to get a result. Plenty of different views on here, but one thing we all have in common is that we want to see the club succeed, and most of us know the players need our support if they are to get the results we are hoping for over the next 9 months.

The one thing that concerns me is once/if the boos start and NW takes some flack he’s said he won’t hang around if he’s not wanted, and will walk.

I think most of the fans who have been at the CCS for the last few seasons will support the team through thick or thin. We will get some boo boys no doubt, but most of those will probably have not been to many games since the last time we were in the PL, and won't be there if we end up going back down. Only usually a very small number who give our players grief when they are struggling, and I doubt if there are many fans on this forum who won't get right behind the team providing they are giving it 100%, even when we are struggling to get a result. Plenty of different views on here, but one thing we all have in common is that we want to see the club succeed, and most of us know the players need our support if they are to get the results we are hoping for over the next 9 months.

The one thing that concerns me is once/if the boos start and NW takes some flack he’s said he won’t hang around if he’s not wanted, and will walk.

He has been in the game long enough to know how fickle fans can be. I am sure he knows the majority of fans are really chuffed that he is here, and he fits in just nicely with this club who are usually up against it more often than not. I believe he likes the "us against the world" mentality that surrounds this club. I don't think many managers could have had the immediate impact that Warnock has from the minute he arrived.

We shouldn't have to plea to anyone to support the club. I remember last time in the prem, a large section of idiots booing Peter Whittingham. If Neil doesn't sign anyone else then its not ideal but so be it. Fans that support their club through thick and thin are becoming few and far between

I think most of the fans who have been at the CCS for the last few seasons will support the team through thick or thin. We will get some boo boys no doubt, but most of those will probably have not been to many games since the last time we were in the PL, and won't be there if we end up going back down. Only usually a very small number who give our players grief when they are struggling, and I doubt if there are many fans on this forum who won't get right behind the team providing they are giving it 100%, even when we are struggling to get a result. Plenty of different views on here, but one thing we all have in common is that we want to see the club succeed, and most of us know the players need our support if they are to get the results we are hoping for over the next 9 months.

The one thing that concerns me is once/if the boos start and NW takes some flack he’s said he won’t hang around if he’s not wanted, and will walk.

He has been in the game long enough to know how fickle fans can be. I am sure he knows the majority of fans are really chuffed that he is here, and he fits in just nicely with this club who are usually up against it more often than not. I believe he likes the "us against the world" mentality that surrounds this club. I don't think many managers could have had the immediate impact that Warnock has from the minute he arrived.

Yeah without a oubt. Neil has seen and heard it all before. The man can simply do no wrong for me to be honest

Your plea will not work. We are massively unprepared for what awaits, and it’s going to get ugly. Just like last time.
But I share your view on both not calling for Warnock’s head and all the crap behind the scenes are thankfully gone. There where actually forces within the club working against eachother. But the fact remains. The club has massively underestimated what need to be done in the transfer window. They have given ol Neil a pot to piss in. Unfortunately ol Neil’s range of knowledge when it comes to footballers is very limited to a desert island. He likes to call it primadonnas when he is referring to continental players. That is just silly!
I must say a few fans seem a bit naive on what is going on and seem to rely on miracles and fairies. It doesn’t take a lot of knowledge to se we are falling behind at the moment. The paradox is when calling for “enjoy the ride”
Well, do what you please, but most football fans know their football and will accordingly have an opinion. For me ol Neil is the wrong man at the right time, even though he amazingly got us here. Ol Vincent have been bitchin about “we need to be in premiere league”, but won’t recognize what needs to be invested to stay there. If our midfield is not addressed, and I mean addressed proper, we are done. For periods of time I think our strikers will be fine. But we need addition when they are not. This is football. Not a romantic story where ol Neil will make you cum at the end. It’s harsh and it’s pragmatic. Simples. Vincent will sack ol Neil before Christmas, but no one will do any better with the material he got. So I agree, give him the season when we first made the mistake of not investing.

I’ve never minded us losing.
As long as the players give there all for the shirt, then I would leave with no complaints. Sometimes it’s just not your day.

What does fecking rile me is when we don’t give 100%. Also when managers after going behind and the whole stadium can see it, leave it too bloody late in the game before making changes. Substitutions in the 85th minute etc.
Then I drive the 200 miles home fecking fuming...

[quote][/quote]Unfortunately ol Neil’s range of knowledge when it comes to footballers is very limited to a desert island. He likes to call it primadonnas when he is referring to continental players. That is just silly!

Manga and Bamba where are they from again !!!

Unfortunately ol Neil’s range of knowledge when it comes to footballers is very limited to a desert island. He likes to call it primadonnas when he is referring to continental players. That is just silly!

Manga and Bamba where are they from again !!!

Yes, my bad! Very good scouting finding Manga in France and Bamba in the back yard Ivory cost! My bad..

Your plea will not work. We are massively unprepared for what awaits, and it’s going to get ugly. Just like last time.
But I share your view on both not calling for Warnock’s head and all the crap behind the scenes are thankfully gone. There where actually forces within the club working against eachother. But the fact remains. The club has massively underestimated what need to be done in the transfer window. They have given ol Neil a pot to piss in. Unfortunately ol Neil’s range of knowledge when it comes to footballers is very limited to a desert island. He likes to call it primadonnas when he is referring to continental players. That is just silly!
I must say a few fans seem a bit naive on what is going on and seem to rely on miracles and fairies. It doesn’t take a lot of knowledge to se we are falling behind at the moment. The paradox is when calling for “enjoy the ride”
Well, do what you please, but most football fans know their football and will accordingly have an opinion. For me ol Neil is the wrong man at the right time, even though he amazingly got us here. Ol Vincent have been bitchin about “we need to be in premiere league”, but won’t recognize what needs to be invested to stay there. If our midfield is not addressed, and I mean addressed proper, we are done. For periods of time I think our strikers will be fine. But we need addition when they are not. This is football. Not a romantic story where ol Neil will make you cum at the end. It’s harsh and it’s pragmatic. Simples. Vincent will sack ol Neil before Christmas, but no one will do any better with the material he got. So I agree, give him the season when we first made the mistake of not investing.

Still bitter about the club sacking Solskjaer I see.

Trust me this Club isn’t falling behind. This time two years ago that’s when we were falling behind.

We are a thousand years away from where we almost went.

As for not investing money, we did that last time we spent millions buying players and millions getting rid of them because they were absolutely useless.

Good article by Ollie Holt.

Met him a couple of times and he’s not like most of the journalists for the UK national media, most of them are obsessed with the big six. Always fair with what he writes.

I think he was involved with Craig Bellamy’s autobiography as well.

Good article by Ollie Holt.

Met him a couple of times and he’s not like most of the journalists for the UK national media, most of them are obsessed with the big six. Always fair with what he writes.

I think he was involved with Craig Bellamy’s autobiography as well.

Always enjoy his views on (Sky Sports) Sunday Supplement

It was an exaggeration on my part to make a point. I agree we need to address midfield and a goal scorer or for want of a better word “poacher”. We won’t survive on 30% possetion we need to hold on to the ball a bit longer and pass better, but saying that I think our real problem is our movement all to often I see our players pass the and then stand still as if their work is done. On another note if we plat 4231 we can afford to play tomlin. PS Kenny Miller would have scored goals in this side.

Why any city fan would criticise Neil Warnock is beyond me.. he has done more for this club in his short tenure than any manager we have had.
All those going on about the Grijic deal and Warnock bro g too slows .. really.. as if any city fan had any better football knowledge than Neil.
However, as we know, our fans have short memories.. can be so embarrassing...
For me, I am just going to enjoy this season, I know the players and management will give their all, I am quietest confident we will stay up.. but if we don't then we go again in the Championship, which last season , gave me great enjoyment.

Why any city fan would criticise Neil Warnock is beyond me.. he has done more for this club in his short tenure than any manager we have had.
All those going on about the Grijic deal and Warnock bro g too slows .. really.. as if any city fan had any better football knowledge than Neil.
However, as we know, our fans have short memories.. can be so embarrassing...
For me, I am just going to enjoy this season, I know the players and management will give their all, I am quietest confident we will stay up.. but if we don't then we go again in the Championship, which last season , gave me great enjoyment.

Why any city fan would criticise Neil Warnock is beyond me.. he has done more for this club in his short tenure than any manager we have had.
All those going on about the Grijic deal and Warnock bro g too slows .. really.. as if any city fan had any better football knowledge than Neil.
However, as we know, our fans have short memories.. can be so embarrassing...
For me, I am just going to enjoy this season, I know the players and management will give their all, I am quietest confident we will stay up.. but if we don't then we go again in the Championship, which last season , gave me great enjoyment.

I have to agree with you. Some of our fans need to have a think about where we were 2 seasons ago. It seems that City should throw money at it like Wolves but I would rather have a competitive club with no debt than the way it was over the last few seasons.
Sure it would be great for a few more signings but the window is open until the 9th and that is where most deals happen ie,the last minute.
We as fans have no idea how to run a club, what players earn and what is happening behind the scenes.

Let's all stay positive and I am sure this group of players will give it 100% and do us all proud, as they did last season.

He deserves our support if we're relegated by Christmas.

We shouldn't be here anyway!

Let's just enjoy the crack

Your plea will not work. We are massively unprepared for what awaits, and it’s going to get ugly. Just like last time.
But I share your view on both not calling for Warnock’s head and all the crap behind the scenes are thankfully gone. There where actually forces within the club working against eachother. But the fact remains. The club has massively underestimated what need to be done in the transfer window. They have given ol Neil a pot to piss in. Unfortunately ol Neil’s range of knowledge when it comes to footballers is very limited to a desert island. He likes to call it primadonnas when he is referring to continental players. That is just silly!
I must say a few fans seem a bit naive on what is going on and seem to rely on miracles and fairies. It doesn’t take a lot of knowledge to se we are falling behind at the moment. The paradox is when calling for “enjoy the ride”
Well, do what you please, but most football fans know their football and will accordingly have an opinion. For me ol Neil is the wrong man at the right time, even though he amazingly got us here. Ol Vincent have been bitchin about “we need to be in premiere league”, but won’t recognize what needs to be invested to stay there. If our midfield is not addressed, and I mean addressed proper, we are done. For periods of time I think our strikers will be fine. But we need addition when they are not. This is football. Not a romantic story where ol Neil will make you cum at the end. It’s harsh and it’s pragmatic. Simples. Vincent will sack ol Neil before Christmas, but no one will do any better with the material he got. So I agree, give him the season when we first made the mistake of not investing.

Still bitter about the club sacking Solskjaer I see.

Trust me this Club isn’t falling behind. This time two years ago that’s when we were falling behind.

We are a thousand years away from where we almost went.

As for not investing money, we did that last time we spent millions buying players and millions getting rid of them because they were absolutely useless.

very bitter.Although he has said "simples" which wins him any argument hands down

Your plea will not work. We are massively unprepared for what awaits, and it’s going to get ugly. Just like last time.
But I share your view on both not calling for Warnock’s head and all the crap behind the scenes are thankfully gone. There where actually forces within the club working against eachother. But the fact remains. The club has massively underestimated what need to be done in the transfer window. They have given ol Neil a pot to piss in. Unfortunately ol Neil’s range of knowledge when it comes to footballers is very limited to a desert island. He likes to call it primadonnas when he is referring to continental players. That is just silly!
I must say a few fans seem a bit naive on what is going on and seem to rely on miracles and fairies. It doesn’t take a lot of knowledge to se we are falling behind at the moment. The paradox is when calling for “enjoy the ride”
Well, do what you please, but most football fans know their football and will accordingly have an opinion. For me ol Neil is the wrong man at the right time, even though he amazingly got us here. Ol Vincent have been bitchin about “we need to be in premiere league”, but won’t recognize what needs to be invested to stay there. If our midfield is not addressed, and I mean addressed proper, we are done. For periods of time I think our strikers will be fine. But we need addition when they are not. This is football. Not a romantic story where ol Neil will make you cum at the end. It’s harsh and it’s pragmatic. Simples. Vincent will sack ol Neil before Christmas, but no one will do any better with the material he got. So I agree, give him the season when we first made the mistake of not investing.

Still bitter about the club sacking Solskjaer I see.

Trust me this Club isn’t falling behind. This time two years ago that’s when we were falling behind.

We are a thousand years away from where we almost went.

As for not investing money, we did that last time we spent millions buying players and millions getting rid of them because they were absolutely useless.

very bitter.Although he has said "simples" which wins him any argument hands down

What wins every argument, or debate as some would call it, is debating the points at hand. But that seems a difficult task for some as to make a good assessment on where we left fotballvise last season and where we are now. Most people can recognize it though..

"Not a romantic story where ol Neil makes you cum at the end" -something a 14 year old would write Your not debating,youve got an agenda

Till will tell Scandinavian Bluebird as to whether your prophecies will be right. What were your thoughts a year ago at the start of last season, did you think we would get promoted then with the squad we had. I didn't, never in a million years but we did and deservedly so. So nobody knows for certain how the season is going to pan out. It is not all about spending big money, just ask the other teams in the Championship who spent far more than us and didn't even have a sniff at promotion.

When Leicester won the title they hardly spent big, all right that was a one off but it happened.

A lot of fans at other clubs will be having similar thoughts no doubt about the players they have bought and whether it will be enough to stay up. Personally I'm in the glass half full brigade, and believe Cardiff are in the best position on and off the pitch they have ever been, we have no divine right to stay in the Premiership and if we do go down we will have a right good go at coming back up again.

It could be a hell of a lot worse we could be the Jacks.

I just don't get how people are so negative towards a team that brilliantly overachieved last season without a ball being kicked. Where were these people here only a couple of years ago when we were heading to league one?

[quote][/quote]y englishbluebird » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:33 pm

I just don't get how people are so negative towards a team that brilliantly overachieved last season without a ball being kicked. Where were these people here only a couple of years ago when we were heading to league one?

I don't get it either, the players and manager need our support more than ever, in my opinion we have the best manager we have ever had, we have some cracking players so lets see what happens.

Till will tell Scandinavian Bluebird as to whether your prophecies will be right. What were your thoughts a year ago at the start of last season, did you think we would get promoted then with the squad we had. I didn't, never in a million years but we did and deservedly so. So nobody knows for certain how the season is going to pan out. It is not all about spending big money, just ask the other teams in the Championship who spent far more than us and didn't even have a sniff at promotion.

When Leicester won the title they hardly spent big, all right that was a one off but it happened.

A lot of fans at other clubs will be having similar thoughts no doubt about the players they have bought and whether it will be enough to stay up. Personally I'm in the glass half full brigade, and believe Cardiff are in the best position on and off the pitch they have ever been, we have no divine right to stay in the Premiership and if we do go down we will have a right good go at coming back up again.

It could be a hell of a lot worse we could be the Jacks.

I’m not for blowing millions on players or gamble. But I’m for doing what needs to be done. Unfortunately Ol Neil is limited to the British market, and that is expensive. I find it borderline stupidity not to strengthen where we know it’s needed. It’s a pathetic gamble not to do so.
This club doesn’t have the structure to bounce up and down divisions to build. For that you need a big pool of talent capable stepping up. And be a club who develop players. That isn’t the case at the moment. But I’m not going to get ol Neil’s back if we don’t get them players. The poor man didn’t stand a chance with the budget he got, and no other manager will make any difference.