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“ Rail companies in talks to help fans with TV games “

Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:40 pm

BBC


Rail chiefs and football bosses are in talks over ways to help travelling supporters who are being impacted by games moved for television coverage.

It comes after a Football Supporters' Federation (FSF) survey found that 42% of fans asked had missed matches moved to a television timeslot last season.

The survey also showed one in six fans lost money because of rearranged games.

The FSF has called for "affordable" 'fan-fare' style train tickets which are tied to a game rather than a date.

The Rail Delivery Group has told BBC Sport that discussions had begun with the Football Association and league bosses but were at an early stage.

BBC Sport has contacted the Premier League for a comment but is yet to receive a reply.

The survey, published in the organisation's annual review, found one in six fans had lost money paid on travel or hotels and lost days off from work because of rearranged fixtures while 21.5% decided not to attend a game they otherwise would because it was being broadcast on TV.

The FSF said that Premier League broadcasters "have too much sway" in deciding kick-off times and that top-flight clubs are too focused on overseas fans to the detriment of local ones.

The review also noted that the Premier League regularly failed to meet its own TV pick deadline of six weeks before, sometimes by as many as 23 days.

Last season Newcastle fans were forced to rearrange their 300-mile round trip to Everton after the game was moved from Saturday afternoon to Monday evening with just four weeks' notice.

In the Football League, the time of Aston Villa's trip to Norwich was moved twice in 24 hours to accommodate Manchester City's potentially title-winning fixture against Manchester United.

The FSF says the changes leave fans "in the unenviable position of booking late and paying more for travel and accommodation, or risk booking early and finding themselves stuck with worthless rail tickets".

The study also points to a busy Christmas period in which clubs play eight times in a month during "the most financially demanding time of the year for many fans".

A spokesman for the Rail Delivery Group, which represents train companies, told BBC Sport: "Train companies working together have kicked off talks with the FA and league bosses about possible ways to help travelling fans more, but we're in the early stages of discussions."

The Premier League had plans to reschedule Liverpool's trip to Arsenal last season for Christmas Eve, before strong opposition from fans made them reconsider.

The FSF added: "Christmas Eve football gives fans an impossible choice: go to the match or spend time with your family."

Fans were also questioned on topics such as safe standing, policing, fan behaviour and international football, and they found:

- Roughly one in five fans have experienced racist, homophobic or sexist language at the match, 28.9% heard other language they consider offensive from a supporter.

- 63.5% of fans think that swearing and bad language is part of watching football. Breaking it down by gender, 58.9% of women agree.

- Close to 90% of those surveyed feel fans should have representation on club boards and have a say in how the club is run.

- 94% of fans believe they should be able to choose whether to sit or stand at football.

- Four out of 10 fans watch illegal streams. The number jumps to 58% for under-30s.

Re: “ Rail companies in talks to help fans with TV games “

Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:11 pm

I used to love an away day on the train, not done loads to be honest but done Crewe, Southampton, Nottingham, Wolves on the train, good laugh and not to bad on a group saver for 4 in the past, however, I looked a few times last season and the prices were ridiculous, you were looking at £50 just to go to Birmingham :shock:

Re: “ Rail companies in talks to help fans with TV games “

Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:38 pm

Bring back the Football Special turn up on Saturday morning at station get your ticket off you go, pay on the gate those were the MAD days back in the late 60s early 70s when i was a teenager.

The games were afordable back then now with all the money from TV has put the game out of reach of most guys which should have made the game easier to get to not given to overpaid players and GREEDY agents (which the players should pay not the clubs).

The train companies are missing out on a good profit, also with cheaper travel more fans will be able to aford away games. :bluebird:

Re: “ Rail companies in talks to help fans with TV games “

Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:42 pm

bluebirdrob wrote:Bring back the Football Special turn up on Saturday morning at station get your ticket off you go, pay on the gate those were the MAD days back in the late 60s early 70s when i was a teenager.

The games were afordable back then now with all the money from TV has put the game out of reach of most guys which should have made the game easier to get to not given to overpaid players and GREEDY agents (which the players should pay not the clubs).

The train companies are missing out on a good profit, also with cheaper travel more fans will be able to aford away games. :bluebird:



there was a lot of damage on the trains though

Re: “ Rail companies in talks to help fans with TV games “

Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:50 pm

dogfound wrote:
bluebirdrob wrote:Bring back the Football Special turn up on Saturday morning at station get your ticket off you go, pay on the gate those were the MAD days back in the late 60s early 70s when i was a teenager.

The games were afordable back then now with all the money from TV has put the game out of reach of most guys which should have made the game easier to get to not given to overpaid players and GREEDY agents (which the players should pay not the clubs).

The train companies are missing out on a good profit, also with cheaper travel more fans will be able to aford away games. :bluebird:



there was a lot of damage on the trains though


Yeah, its not going to happen now, the rail companies and BTP just wouldn't do it, they would probably put on 'dry trains' which isn't going to appeal to the masses.

Re: “ Rail companies in talks to help fans with TV games “

Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:04 am

RV Casual wrote:
dogfound wrote:
bluebirdrob wrote:Bring back the Football Special turn up on Saturday morning at station get your ticket off you go, pay on the gate those were the MAD days back in the late 60s early 70s when i was a teenager.

The games were afordable back then now with all the money from TV has put the game out of reach of most guys which should have made the game easier to get to not given to overpaid players and GREEDY agents (which the players should pay not the clubs).

The train companies are missing out on a good profit, also with cheaper travel more fans will be able to aford away games. :bluebird:



there was a lot of damage on the trains though


Yeah, its not going to happen now, the rail companies and BTP just wouldn't do it, they would probably put on 'dry trains' which isn't going to appeal to the masses.



my first away game on a train was an opening day fixture at Leicester { we won they got promoted }the train was a right off
what an eye opener that was, think i was about 12.

Re: “ Rail companies in talks to help fans with TV games “

Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:59 am

Just looked national rail times Pembroke to Cardiff rail times for Newcastle game only trains to suit that day means leaving Pembroke 7am arriving home 630 pm Long day