“ The 10-15 goal player we desperately need “

A lot of people on here seem to be suggesting we need a player who will score 10-15 Premier League goals this season.

Below is the list of players who scored at least ten goals in the Premier League last season and where their club finished - I think it suggests that the majority of bottom-half clubs don’t have a player like this - and still manage to survive.

The table shows that West Ham, Crystal Palace and Brighton were the only teams that finished in the bottom half that had a player score ten or more.

Many have said we NEED a 10-15 goal player, but this proves we don’t.

PLAYERS WITH AT LEAST TEN GOALS IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE LAST SEASON

Mohamed Salah (Liverpool) - 32 goals (4th)
Harry Kane (Spurs) - 30 goals (3rd)
Sergio Aguero (Man City) - 21 goals (1st)
Jamie Vardy (Leicester) - 20 goals (9th)
Raheem Sterling (Man City) - 18 goals (1st)
Romelu Lukaku (Man Utd) - 16 goals (2nd)
Roberto Firmino (Liverpool) - 15 goals (4th)
Alexandre Lacazette (Arsenal) - 14 goals (6th)
Gabriel Jesus (Man City) - 13 goals (1st)
Riyad Mahrez (Leicester) - 12 goals (9th)
Son Heung-Min (Spurs) - 12 goals (3rd)
Eden Hazard (Chelsea) - 12 goals (5th)
Glenn Murray (Brighton) - 12 goals (15th)
Alvaro Morata (Chelsea) - 11 goals (5th)
Marko Arnautovic (West Ham) - 11 goals (13th)
Leroy Sane (Man City) - 10 goals (1st)
Christian Eriksen (Spurs) - 10 goals (3rd)
Sadio Mane (Liverpool) - 10 goals (4th)
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (Arsenal) - 10 goals (6th)
Wayne Rooney (Everton) - 10 goals (8th)
Luka Milivojevic (Crystal Palace) - 10 goals (11th)
Chris Wood (Burnley) - 10 goals (7th)

A lot of people on here seem to be suggesting we need a player who will score 10-15 Premier League goals this season.

Below is the list of players who scored at least ten goals in the Premier League last season and where their club finished - I think it suggests that the majority of bottom-half clubs don’t have a player like this - and still manage to survive.

The table shows that West Ham, Crystal Palace and Brighton were the only teams that finished in the bottom half that had a player score ten or more.

Many have said we NEED a 10-15 goal player, but this proves we don’t.

PLAYERS WITH AT LEAST TEN GOALS IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE LAST SEASON

Mohamed Salah (Liverpool) - 32 goals (4th)
Harry Kane (Spurs) - 30 goals (3rd)
Sergio Aguero (Man City) - 21 goals (1st)
Jamie Vardy (Leicester) - 20 goals (9th)
Raheem Sterling (Man City) - 18 goals (1st)
Romelu Lukaku (Man Utd) - 16 goals (2nd)
Roberto Firmino (Liverpool) - 15 goals (4th)
Alexandre Lacazette (Arsenal) - 14 goals (6th)
Gabriel Jesus (Man City) - 13 goals (1st)
Riyad Mahrez (Leicester) - 12 goals (9th)
Son Heung-Min (Spurs) - 12 goals (3rd)
Eden Hazard (Chelsea) - 12 goals (5th)
Glenn Murray (Brighton) - 12 goals (15th)
Alvaro Morata (Chelsea) - 11 goals (5th)
Marko Arnautovic (West Ham) - 11 goals (13th)
Leroy Sane (Man City) - 10 goals (1st)
Christian Eriksen (Spurs) - 10 goals (3rd)
Sadio Mane (Liverpool) - 10 goals (4th)
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (Arsenal) - 10 goals (6th)
Wayne Rooney (Everton) - 10 goals (8th)
Luka Milivojevic (Crystal Palace) - 10 goals (11th)
Chris Wood (Burnley) - 10 goals (7th)

The other interesting thing is probably 99% of the players cost a lot more than 15m than Deeney would cost if signed by City’s! Milivojevic is the Palace penalty taker, not sure about what Burnley spent on Wood or Brighton on Murray who was also Brighton’s penalty taker but all the others are valued are considerably more than 15m. 15m for a Premier League striker is peanuts.

A lot of people on here seem to be suggesting we need a player who will score 10-15 Premier League goals this season.

Below is the list of players who scored at least ten goals in the Premier League last season and where their club finished - I think it suggests that the majority of bottom-half clubs don’t have a player like this - and still manage to survive.

The table shows that West Ham, Crystal Palace and Brighton were the only teams that finished in the bottom half that had a player score ten or more.

Many have said we NEED a 10-15 goal player, but this proves we don’t.

PLAYERS WITH AT LEAST TEN GOALS IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE LAST SEASON

Mohamed Salah (Liverpool) - 32 goals (4th)
Harry Kane (Spurs) - 30 goals (3rd)
Sergio Aguero (Man City) - 21 goals (1st)
Jamie Vardy (Leicester) - 20 goals (9th)
Raheem Sterling (Man City) - 18 goals (1st)
Romelu Lukaku (Man Utd) - 16 goals (2nd)
Roberto Firmino (Liverpool) - 15 goals (4th)
Alexandre Lacazette (Arsenal) - 14 goals (6th)
Gabriel Jesus (Man City) - 13 goals (1st)
Riyad Mahrez (Leicester) - 12 goals (9th)
Son Heung-Min (Spurs) - 12 goals (3rd)
Eden Hazard (Chelsea) - 12 goals (5th)
Glenn Murray (Brighton) - 12 goals (15th)
Alvaro Morata (Chelsea) - 11 goals (5th)
Marko Arnautovic (West Ham) - 11 goals (13th)
Leroy Sane (Man City) - 10 goals (1st)
Christian Eriksen (Spurs) - 10 goals (3rd)
Sadio Mane (Liverpool) - 10 goals (4th)
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (Arsenal) - 10 goals (6th)
Wayne Rooney (Everton) - 10 goals (8th)
Luka Milivojevic (Crystal Palace) - 10 goals (11th)
Chris Wood (Burnley) - 10 goals (7th)

The other interesting thing is probably 99% of the players cost a lot more than 15m than Deeney would cost if signed by City’s! Milivojevic is the Palace penalty taker, not sure about what Burnley spent on Wood or Brighton on Murray who was also Brighton’s penalty taker but all the others are valued are considerably more than 15m. 15m for a Premier League striker is peanuts.

I'd add to that in Deeneys previous 2 Premier league season he has been in double figures for goals, just lost his way a bit last season

Few of the Watford fans are saying Deeney is overweight now and happy for him to go. Sure Warnock would sort that.

Few of the Watford fans are saying Deeney is overweight now and happy for him to go. Sure Warnock would sort that.

Like tomlin?

Few of the Watford fans are saying Deeney is overweight now and happy for him to go. Sure Warnock would sort that.

Like tomlin?

Tomlin played his part. Goal at Reading and other bits.
Things changed as the season went on and Warnock could see we were in with a chance of promotion.And if Tomlin would not step up to the plate well it happens and no manager has a 100% success rate on things like this.Football players are not robots that can be programmed.
If we sign Deeeney and he scores the goals and or does the bits -including geeing -up other players-that keep us in the PL it will have been a superb investment.If not, it's not a huge gamble in the current market.

Really we need to see someone regularly scoring 20 plus in the Premiership before he's worth a massive fee.
Less than that and we might as well get a decent young player for less money and try to develop him, ( as I think we're doing with Reid and Murphy).

I'm tipping Reid for 20 this season with Murphy not that far behind, and our established players will get a few themselves .

I'm very objective about these things, and I'm telling you they'll do okay.

Really we need to see someone regularly scoring 20 plus in the Premiership before he's worth a massive fee.
Less than that and we might as well get a decent young player for less money and try to develop him, ( as I think we're doing with Reid and Murphy).

I'm tipping Reid for 20 this season with Murphy not that far behind, and our established players will get a few themselves .

I'm very objective about these things, and I'm telling you they'll do okay.

I’ve read some things on this forum but boy....

Really we need to see someone regularly scoring 20 plus in the Premiership before he's worth a massive fee.
Less than that and we might as well get a decent young player for less money and try to develop him, ( as I think we're doing with Reid and Murphy).

I'm tipping Reid for 20 this season with Murphy not that far behind, and our established players will get a few themselves .

I'm very objective about these things, and I'm telling you they'll do okay.

Mate we'll be lucky if any of our players get 10.

Like OP said only 4 hit 20 last season. Vary, aguero, salah and kane.

Wouldn't put Reid and Murphy in that category.

Never going to happen, unless it’s one of our own stepping up their game. Why people are obsessed with this 10-15 goal striker when our midfield is in more of a state then George Best on a Friday night is beyond me.

Sod the striker, we need two quality central midfielders and a right back before gambling up top

Really we need to see someone regularly scoring 20 plus in the Premiership before he's worth a massive fee.
Less than that and we might as well get a decent young player for less money and try to develop him, ( as I think we're doing with Reid and Murphy).

I'm tipping Reid for 20 this season with Murphy not that far behind, and our established players will get a few themselves .

I'm very objective about these things, and I'm telling you they'll do okay.

I am pleased with the Reid signing but 20 goals, REALLY!!!!!

If he manages that and your right i will back you 100% to be Warnock's Successor

Really we need to see someone regularly scoring 20 plus in the Premiership before he's worth a massive fee.
Less than that and we might as well get a decent young player for less money and try to develop him, ( as I think we're doing with Reid and Murphy).

I'm tipping Reid for 20 this season with Murphy not that far behind, and our established players will get a few themselves .

I'm very objective about these things, and I'm telling you they'll do okay.

get off championship manager, it's screwing with your head boyo

if Bobby Reid scores 20 premiership goals, he might be worth £200million pounds next transfer window being the Englishman

The so called 20 goals a season man or as termed here 10-15 is a myth.

Some of those goals may come in a 4-1 drubbing or be very late to add lustre to a win. Or he may be the penalty taker.

A point could be earned by a gutsy 0-0 with the keeper earning the point or a last gasp off the line header by a full back or a point gained or even 2 by an own goal or a screamer from a centre back.

No one talks about a 10 points a season keeper or defender.

As for Reid getting 20, well that is just illusory and whoever said it is out with the fairies.

Most of that stuff above is contradicting things I didn't actually say, so I can only suggest that you read it again.

My point was that unless a player is getting 20 goals plus then he's not worth paying ridiculous money for .
No players were born on the pitch during a premiership game you know. They all started somewhere and progressed as far as they could . I personally think several of our players can do this, but only time will tell.

I really do not like this negative stuff about Cardiff City being some kind of second rate half-arsed outfit who should be content to lurk in the shadows of better clubs like some deferential old servant and "know their place ".

I'm old enough to remember Liverpool being a pretty shabby lower league team till Bill Shankley started changing things and Cardiff, like any team with the potential fan base and resources can do the same. It's a long hard journey of course, but there are no limits to what can be achieved in time.
I don't say we ARE going to emulate the rise of Liverpool or Manchester City, but I equally know that we might.

Whatever we do , let's at least intend to succeed rather than hope to survive. You can't and shouldn't take the previous premiership nose dive as a portent, because that was caused by matters off the field in the first place and a new inexperienced manager who was somehow expecting to beat good teams by simply running at them like nut cases, and didn't seem to understand the need for a defensive shape at the other end of the field .

You know, I'll stick my neck out and say that if it goes wrong this forthcoming season it'll be because we fail to hold in the rest if the field , not because we have no players capable of scoring if they're given the opportunity.
I don't see that happening though, but if it does perhaps some of those here will enjoy it and take some perverse pleasure from having their desolate outlooks born out.

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You know, I'll stick my neck out and say that if it goes wrong this forthcoming season it'll be because we fail to hold in the rest if the field , not because we have no players capable of scoring if they're given the opportunity.
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That a fair comment. Especially about getting the opportunity as there have to be objectively question marks about the ability to create chances from the middle of the field, especially if we don't have the ball.

This aside from there being issues about our defence and especially at right back. Only one new defender brought in so we will have to rely on our championship defence which may be fine but got to be a nagging concern.

I think if we had a 15 goal a season striker we will have a better chance of finishing higher up the league than without one! I'd rather we had one than not.

However, it's a fair point to make that there is no guarantee that a 15 a season striker last season would score 15 goals this season unless you are talking about the Kanes and Salahs of the world which are of course on another planet to where we are operating. Also, there are very few 15 a season strikers oriven in the EPL, we are kidding ourselves if we think we can attract a proven EPL 15 goal a season striker. On the other hand there is nothing stopping the EPL unproven Reids or Zohores of the world stepping up and while maybe 15 is a stretch, getting into double figures.