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Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:27 pm

Do you think Warnock may try The Liverpool Formation at Home.

Murphy..Reid ..and Hoilett Or Mendez Laing
Breaking with pace

WIth Grujic (or similar ) Ralls and Paterson(..or a.n.other as the midfield workers behind them)

Just a thought

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:37 pm

kimble wrote:Do you think Warnock may try The Liverpool Formation at Home.

Murphy..Reid ..and Hoilett Or Mendez Laing
Breaking with pace

WIth Grujic (or similar ) Ralls and Paterson(..or a.n.other as the midfield workers behind them)

Just a thought



you dont think Ken is fast :o

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:44 pm

dont we already play this way?

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:45 pm

paulh_85 wrote:dont we already play this way?




yes :lol:

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:46 pm

dogfound wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:dont we already play this way?




yes :lol:


No we don't.

We play 4-5-1 with wingers
Not 4-3-3 with 3 forwards and wingbacks

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:17 pm

sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:dont we already play this way?




yes :lol:


No we don't.

We play 4-5-1 with wingers
Not 4-3-3 with 3 forwards and wingbacks



we dont play with three breaking with pace.?
or a 3 in central mid..?

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:37 pm

dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:dont we already play this way?




yes :lol:


No we don't.

We play 4-5-1 with wingers
Not 4-3-3 with 3 forwards and wingbacks



we dont play with three breaking with pace.?
or a 3 in central mid..?


No we play a different system to that.

He asked if we would play same system as Liverpool which is 3 forwards. With 3 holding midfielders and full backs bombing on as wingers

Not what we play which is 3 attacking midfielders bombing on to support 1 forward

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:29 pm

sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:dont we already play this way?




yes :lol:


No we don't.

We play 4-5-1 with wingers
Not 4-3-3 with 3 forwards and wingbacks



we dont play with three breaking with pace.?
or a 3 in central mid..?


No we play a different system to that.

He asked if we would play same system as Liverpool which is 3 forwards. With 3 holding midfielders and full backs bombing on as wingers

Not what we play which is 3 attacking midfielders bombing on to support 1 forward

It’s basically exactly how we play you’ve just turned the wingers we use now into forwards.
And playing three forwards with wingbacks bombing on would be suicide for us in the prem home and away. We would get annihilated down the wings.

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:52 pm

sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:dont we already play this way?




yes :lol:


No we don't.

We play 4-5-1 with wingers
Not 4-3-3 with 3 forwards and wingbacks



we dont play with three breaking with pace.?
or a 3 in central mid..?


No we play a different system to that.

He asked if we would play same system as Liverpool which is 3 forwards. With 3 holding midfielders and full backs bombing on as wingers

Not what we play which is 3 attacking midfielders bombing on to support 1 forward



ive never been wrapped up in numbers because teams dont play like that tbh....but your splitting hairs anyway as it really depends whats happening in the game as a whole or recently in that game as to how far forward the 2 wide forwards/ wingers/wide midfielders are.....but if you think we dont play with 3 breaking with pace eh oh.

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:58 pm

dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:dont we already play this way?




yes :lol:


No we don't.

We play 4-5-1 with wingers
Not 4-3-3 with 3 forwards and wingbacks



we dont play with three breaking with pace.?
or a 3 in central mid..?


No we play a different system to that.

He asked if we would play same system as Liverpool which is 3 forwards. With 3 holding midfielders and full backs bombing on as wingers

Not what we play which is 3 attacking midfielders bombing on to support 1 forward



ive never been wrapped up in numbers because teams dont play like that tbh....but your splitting hairs anyway as it really depends whats happening in the game as a whole or recently in that game as to how far forward the 2 wide forwards/ wingers/wide midfielders are.....but if you think we dont play with 3 breaking with pace eh oh.


Mate he asked if we would play the Liverpool formation.

If you don't know the difference between how a 433 and 451 work then really you are on wrong forum.

He asked would we play Liverpool formation and you said we already do. Not exactly splitting hairs am I

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:01 pm

i posed the question ..not with Zohore but with the three i mentioned... i think in one friendly we played that way without zohore... when we play Zohore he is usually up front on his own . as i sais its just athought

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:09 pm

if you look at Liverpool their 3 fowards interchange more up front..Cardiff play with Big ken up the middle with two wingers....I mentioned it because Reid and Murphy can both play up the middle and would be able to interchange more than two more natural wingers..and if you played them alongside Hoilett for example would they then be playing a similar style to Liverpool that is the question I posed.

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:13 pm

sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:dont we already play this way?




yes :lol:


No we don't.

We play 4-5-1 with wingers
Not 4-3-3 with 3 forwards and wingbacks



we dont play with three breaking with pace.?
or a 3 in central mid..?


No we play a different system to that.

He asked if we would play same system as Liverpool which is 3 forwards. With 3 holding midfielders and full backs bombing on as wingers

Not what we play which is 3 attacking midfielders bombing on to support 1 forward



ive never been wrapped up in numbers because teams dont play like that tbh....but your splitting hairs anyway as it really depends whats happening in the game as a whole or recently in that game as to how far forward the 2 wide forwards/ wingers/wide midfielders are.....but if you think we dont play with 3 breaking with pace eh oh.


Mate he asked if we would play the Liverpool formation.

If you don't know the difference between how a 433 and 451 work then really you are on wrong forum.

He asked would we play Liverpool formation and you said we already do. Not exactly splitting hairs am I



i tried to not say it ..but its REAL football not playstation nonsense..
these numbers can be adopted in various ways and are used as a simplistic guide .
how teams/ individuals play changes throughout games..
the middle line is mind blowingly naive mate..how 3 numbers work ffs...its identical every time is it :lol:

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:22 pm

..i played welsh league football for a number of years ..i am not naive... if you don t know different styles of playing formations... and that teams have different options of changing things out as a reaction to other teams formations ...then you must be naive... the question i posed is whether Neil Warnock would use a different approach foe different games.....why you have to start imposing your holy than i attitude beats me....we all have opinions .respect them

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:25 pm

dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:dont we already play this way?




yes :lol:


No we don't.

We play 4-5-1 with wingers
Not 4-3-3 with 3 forwards and wingbacks



we dont play with three breaking with pace.?
or a 3 in central mid..?


No we play a different system to that.

He asked if we would play same system as Liverpool which is 3 forwards. With 3 holding midfielders and full backs bombing on as wingers

Not what we play which is 3 attacking midfielders bombing on to support 1 forward



ive never been wrapped up in numbers because teams dont play like that tbh....but your splitting hairs anyway as it really depends whats happening in the game as a whole or recently in that game as to how far forward the 2 wide forwards/ wingers/wide midfielders are.....but if you think we dont play with 3 breaking with pace eh oh.


Mate he asked if we would play the Liverpool formation.

If you don't know the difference between how a 433 and 451 work then really you are on wrong forum.

He asked would we play Liverpool formation and you said we already do. Not exactly splitting hairs am I



i tried to not say it ..but its REAL football not playstation nonsense..
these numbers can be adopted in various ways and are used as a simplistic guide .
how teams/ individuals play changes throughout games..
the middle line is mind blowingly naive mate..how 3 numbers work ffs...its identical every time is it :lol:


Well we may as well get rid of warnock then mate. Just put 11 on the pitch and get on with it. Play how the game goes.

For you to not know the difference between the way we play and Liverpool play shows you know shit about football.

Liverpool play 433 high pressing & high possession football and a lot of pace on the break from corners etc.

We play a 451 or 4231 sitting deep without the ball (park the bus) and counter attack.

Totally different formations and tactics.

If you said we played a similar brand of footy to united then yes I'd agree with u

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:25 pm

kimble wrote:..i played welsh league football for a number of years ..i am not naive... if you don t know different styles of playing formations... and that teams have different options of changing things out as a reaction to other teams formations ...then you must be naive... the question i posed is whether Neil Warnock would use a different approach foe different games.....why you have to start imposing your holy than i attitude beats me....we all have opinions .respect them



my response was not to you
but youve actually just agreed with me regarding my post on formations..if only you could read eh...oh and well done for playing Welsh league.

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:32 pm

if you cannot see the point i made in my original post then maybe it says that its you that can t read.. i have enjoyed reading a lot of your posts and comments on many threads and have agreed with most of what you have said.... but maybe we will have to agree to disagree on this one...let s see what warnock does :bluescarf:

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:32 pm

sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:dont we already play this way?




yes :lol:


No we don't.

We play 4-5-1 with wingers
Not 4-3-3 with 3 forwards and wingbacks



we dont play with three breaking with pace.?
or a 3 in central mid..?


No we play a different system to that.

He asked if we would play same system as Liverpool which is 3 forwards. With 3 holding midfielders and full backs bombing on as wingers

Not what we play which is 3 attacking midfielders bombing on to support 1 forward



ive never been wrapped up in numbers because teams dont play like that tbh....but your splitting hairs anyway as it really depends whats happening in the game as a whole or recently in that game as to how far forward the 2 wide forwards/ wingers/wide midfielders are.....but if you think we dont play with 3 breaking with pace eh oh.


Mate he asked if we would play the Liverpool formation.

If you don't know the difference between how a 433 and 451 work then really you are on wrong forum.

He asked would we play Liverpool formation and you said we already do. Not exactly splitting hairs am I



i tried to not say it ..but its REAL football not playstation nonsense..
these numbers can be adopted in various ways and are used as a simplistic guide .
how teams/ individuals play changes throughout games..
the middle line is mind blowingly naive mate..how 3 numbers work ffs...its identical every time is it :lol:


Well we may as well get rid of warnock then mate. Just put 11 on the pitch and get on with it. Play how the game goes.

For you to not know the difference between the way we play and Liverpool play shows you know shit about football.

Liverpool play 433 high pressing & high possession football and a lot of pace on the break from corners etc.

We play a 451 or 4231 sitting deep without the ball (park the bus) and counter attack.

Totally different formations and tactics.

If you said we played a similar brand of footy to united then yes I'd agree with u



oh so its changed now to 4 sets of numbers sometimes ..keep going youll come up with even more....
i might know shit but your still on the pan trying to push one out..

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:38 pm

kimble wrote:if you cannot see the point i made in my original post then maybe it says that its you that can t read.. i have enjoyed reading a lot of your posts and comments on many threads and have agreed with most of what you have said.... but maybe we will have to agree to disagree on this one...let s see what warnock does :bluescarf:



i do see what you said but we do play with three going forward with pace on the break now now..i didnt really take a great deal of notice about the Liverpool bit because we dont have the personel to keep any sort of posession in mid field..
and yes its down to the manager at end of day and it wasnt what i expected last season..im not sure if it was his plan A either .. :thumbup: :thumbup:

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:40 pm

dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:dont we already play this way?




yes :lol:


No we don't.

We play 4-5-1 with wingers
Not 4-3-3 with 3 forwards and wingbacks



we dont play with three breaking with pace.?
or a 3 in central mid..?


No we play a different system to that.

He asked if we would play same system as Liverpool which is 3 forwards. With 3 holding midfielders and full backs bombing on as wingers

Not what we play which is 3 attacking midfielders bombing on to support 1 forward



ive never been wrapped up in numbers because teams dont play like that tbh....but your splitting hairs anyway as it really depends whats happening in the game as a whole or recently in that game as to how far forward the 2 wide forwards/ wingers/wide midfielders are.....but if you think we dont play with 3 breaking with pace eh oh.


Mate he asked if we would play the Liverpool formation.

If you don't know the difference between how a 433 and 451 work then really you are on wrong forum.

He asked would we play Liverpool formation and you said we already do. Not exactly splitting hairs am I



i tried to not say it ..but its REAL football not playstation nonsense..
these numbers can be adopted in various ways and are used as a simplistic guide .
how teams/ individuals play changes throughout games..
the middle line is mind blowingly naive mate..how 3 numbers work ffs...its identical every time is it :lol:


Well we may as well get rid of warnock then mate. Just put 11 on the pitch and get on with it. Play how the game goes.

For you to not know the difference between the way we play and Liverpool play shows you know shit about football.

Liverpool play 433 high pressing & high possession football and a lot of pace on the break from corners etc.

We play a 451 or 4231 sitting deep without the ball (park the bus) and counter attack.

Totally different formations and tactics.

If you said we played a similar brand of footy to united then yes I'd agree with u



oh so its changed now to 4 sets of numbers sometimes ..keep going youll come up with even more....
i might know shit but your still on the pan trying to push one out..


Ye 4 sets of numbers all work as different formations and totally different tactics.

You mate said we play the same as Liverpool and I have proven on every occasion that we don't.

The only similarity is 3 fast players somewhere in the front 6

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:41 pm

I do see what you are saying...... :thumbup: :thumbup:

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:02 pm

sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:dont we already play this way?




yes :lol:


No we don't.

We play 4-5-1 with wingers
Not 4-3-3 with 3 forwards and wingbacks



we dont play with three breaking with pace.?
or a 3 in central mid..?


No we play a different system to that.

He asked if we would play same system as Liverpool which is 3 forwards. With 3 holding midfielders and full backs bombing on as wingers

Not what we play which is 3 attacking midfielders bombing on to support 1 forward



ive never been wrapped up in numbers because teams dont play like that tbh....but your splitting hairs anyway as it really depends whats happening in the game as a whole or recently in that game as to how far forward the 2 wide forwards/ wingers/wide midfielders are.....but if you think we dont play with 3 breaking with pace eh oh.


Mate he asked if we would play the Liverpool formation.

If you don't know the difference between how a 433 and 451 work then really you are on wrong forum.

He asked would we play Liverpool formation and you said we already do. Not exactly splitting hairs am I



It really is splitting hairs, you’ve mentioned wingers and attacking midfielders as the same players in two different posts but they are two different positions so which is it?

Where people stand when the match kicks off is of little consequence really

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:13 pm

paulh_85 wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:dont we already play this way?




yes :lol:


No we don't.

We play 4-5-1 with wingers
Not 4-3-3 with 3 forwards and wingbacks



we dont play with three breaking with pace.?
or a 3 in central mid..?


No we play a different system to that.

He asked if we would play same system as Liverpool which is 3 forwards. With 3 holding midfielders and full backs bombing on as wingers

Not what we play which is 3 attacking midfielders bombing on to support 1 forward



ive never been wrapped up in numbers because teams dont play like that tbh....but your splitting hairs anyway as it really depends whats happening in the game as a whole or recently in that game as to how far forward the 2 wide forwards/ wingers/wide midfielders are.....but if you think we dont play with 3 breaking with pace eh oh.


Mate he asked if we would play the Liverpool formation.

If you don't know the difference between how a 433 and 451 work then really you are on wrong forum.

He asked would we play Liverpool formation and you said we already do. Not exactly splitting hairs am I



It really is splitting hairs, you’ve mentioned wingers and attacking midfielders as the same players in two different posts but they are two different positions so which is it?

Where people stand when the match kicks off is of little consequence really


Winger/wide attacking midfielder no difference.

Point is we don't play same formation or same tactics as Liverpool. Which is what you and dogfound said we do.

They use their pace on counterattack still passing from the back quickly to the front 3.

Our idea of counterattack is long ball from keeper or centre back for Zohore or hoilett/mendez to run on to.

The original post asked would/could we utilise Liverpool formation and tactics at home. The answer to which is NO we haven't got the personnel.

But you and dogfound make idiotic comments that we already play that way just because we have 3 fast players

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:33 pm

sid61284 wrote:
Winger/wide attacking midfielder no difference.

Point is we don't play same formation or same tactics as Liverpool. Which is what you and dogfound said we do.

They use their pace on counterattack still passing from the back quickly to the front 3.

Our idea of counterattack is long ball from keeper or centre back for Zohore or hoilett/mendez to run on to.

The original post asked would/could we utilise Liverpool formation and tactics at home. The answer to which is NO we haven't got the personnel.

But you and dogfound make idiotic comments that we already play that way just because we have 3 fast players


So both teams play counter attacking football with 3 forwards the difference being we slog it forward whilst Liverpool break using short passing and procession?

There is a slight difference in approach but you could argue that both teams rely on pace to catch out the opposition. I wouldn't say that Dogfound is completely right but neither was he completely wrong.

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:58 pm

sid61284 wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
dogfound wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:dont we already play this way?




yes :lol:


No we don't.

We play 4-5-1 with wingers
Not 4-3-3 with 3 forwards and wingbacks



we dont play with three breaking with pace.?
or a 3 in central mid..?


No we play a different system to that.

He asked if we would play same system as Liverpool which is 3 forwards. With 3 holding midfielders and full backs bombing on as wingers

Not what we play which is 3 attacking midfielders bombing on to support 1 forward



ive never been wrapped up in numbers because teams dont play like that tbh....but your splitting hairs anyway as it really depends whats happening in the game as a whole or recently in that game as to how far forward the 2 wide forwards/ wingers/wide midfielders are.....but if you think we dont play with 3 breaking with pace eh oh.


Mate he asked if we would play the Liverpool formation.

If you don't know the difference between how a 433 and 451 work then really you are on wrong forum.

He asked would we play Liverpool formation and you said we already do. Not exactly splitting hairs am I



It really is splitting hairs, you’ve mentioned wingers and attacking midfielders as the same players in two different posts but they are two different positions so which is it?

Where people stand when the match kicks off is of little consequence really


Winger/wide attacking midfielder no difference.

Point is we don't play same formation or same tactics as Liverpool. Which is what you and dogfound said we do.

They use their pace on counterattack still passing from the back quickly to the front 3.

Our idea of counterattack is long ball from keeper or centre back for Zohore or hoilett/mendez to run on to.

The original post asked would/could we utilise Liverpool formation and tactics at home. The answer to which is NO we haven't got the personnel.

But you and dogfound make idiotic comments that we already play that way just because we have 3 fast players



i didnt metion Liverpool
or would i.but eh oh
as for PROVING..youve proved your completely obsessed by numbers..didnt realise formations are flexible .
and that you like argueing with yourself..youve miss quoted 3 people on this thread one of whom was yourself :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Another formation ?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:00 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
sid61284 wrote:
Winger/wide attacking midfielder no difference.

Point is we don't play same formation or same tactics as Liverpool. Which is what you and dogfound said we do.

They use their pace on counterattack still passing from the back quickly to the front 3.

Our idea of counterattack is long ball from keeper or centre back for Zohore or hoilett/mendez to run on to.

The original post asked would/could we utilise Liverpool formation and tactics at home. The answer to which is NO we haven't got the personnel.

But you and dogfound make idiotic comments that we already play that way just because we have 3 fast players


So both teams play counter attacking football with 3 forwards the difference being we slog it forward whilst Liverpool break using short passing and procession?

There is a slight difference in approach but you could argue that both teams rely on pace to catch out the opposition. I wouldn't say that Dogfound is completely right but neither was he completely wrong.



bare in mind i did not mention Liverpool...what am i not correct about ?

Re: Another formation ?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:11 am

Like I said original question was could we play Liverpool formation at home with 3 up top and 3 holding midfield.

Paul answered don't we already play that way? Dogfound answered yes. So there lads u both mentioned Liverpool

Re: Another formation ?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:51 am

We already play 4 3 3 in my eyes but I believe it'll be 4 2 3 1 this season :thumbright:

E theridge / Smithies

Jazz / Pelts Bamba Morrison Bennett/Cunningham

Ralls Grujic / Gunnar

Murphy / NML Reid Hoilett

Zohore / New striker.

Re: Another formation ?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:39 pm

sid61284 wrote:Like I said original question was could we play Liverpool formation at home with 3 up top and 3 holding midfield.

Paul answered don't we already play that way? Dogfound answered yes. So there lads u both mentioned Liverpool



you contradicted yourself far too many times to be taken remotely seriously mate...
my advice is go down your local parks club,help out and listen...youll learn far more than you do on the mega drive.

Re: Another formation ?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:53 pm

dogfound wrote:
sid61284 wrote:Like I said original question was could we play Liverpool formation at home with 3 up top and 3 holding midfield.

Paul answered don't we already play that way? Dogfound answered yes. So there lads u both mentioned Liverpool



you contradicted yourself far too many times to be taken remotely seriously mate...
my advice is go down your local parks club,help out and listen...youll learn far more than you do on the mega drive.


What an idiot :laughing5: