Zohore & Etheridge GOOD ENOUGH

I'm just putting this out there because I think the people who agree with me are either hesitant because of the amount of silly posts saying certain players we have aren't good enough, or the people just can't be bothered to post it because they think they'd get laughed at.

Here's how it is, we don't need a new FIRST CHOICE Goalkeeper. Etheridge is our first choice and I would be both suprised and dissapointed if that changed.
Zohore is our first choice striker. We do not need anyone "better", we need another option sure ofcourse we do. But Zohore is going to be better than anyone else we could manage to get for 15m. Zohore is young, 3 years off most players "prime".

The fact is the difference last season was Bamba, Etheridge, Morrison, Hoilett & Zohore. Everyone else for the most part were replacable and often switched in and out of the team. Bamba, Mozza, Etheridge, Hoilett & Zohore all deserve to start. There are also some players who deserve to have a chance because of their form etc such as Ralls and his potential is great too. But I'm talking about 5 players who for attacking or defending are game changers.

For there to be posts implying we NEED a new first choice Striker & goalkeeper is appalling because it's simply not true. Ofcourse we need Premier league quality BACK UPS. But we are not desperate to find the best players, we just need decent replacements for when our main boys are injured, tired or suspended. The only positions we NEED in our first season in the premier league are a couple Central midfielders, a winger, a BACKUP goalkeeper, and a full back. That's just 5 players. If we split our 30 million between those that's 6m each player. I think that would be fine. We need fighters with a bit of quality. We don't need much. If we needed a first choice winger/striker/goalkeeper/center half etc we'd be talking about alot of money. But despite what rumours on here state, what we are looking for won't cost us 15 million on 1 player ffs. Yes, we may pay that much for a player but that would be a special wepon of sorts, not neccarsarily something we need to stay up, just something to use as a plan B if all goes tits up.

I have alot more faith in this squad of players than most of you making these recruiting posts, clearly. One step at a time lads, we get too many "quality" players who think they're bigger than the club we'll find ourselves heading to relegation by christmas again. We need consistency and fighters. Not inconsistent trick ponys.

I agree with the sentiment of your post however you can't say their good enough yet as the truth is nobody knows.

They could/and I hope go on an excel in the Premier League, on the flip side they could both end up being out of their depths, one thing is for sure though, they both deserve a chance

I agree with most of what you're saying but for me, Zohore isn't consistent enough to be considered our main striker. The lack of goals from him could potentially hurt us. With that said if Warnock was to introduce a second striker or attacking midfielder to play behind Zohore then we might see a different player. What If Zohore was to get injured? We just don't have any sufficient backup. Sorry, Madine hasn't done anything to warrant the cost of his transfer and in my opinion, I don't think he could even cut it in the premier league. What worries me the most is that I don't think we will have the funds to go out buy a quality striker unless we look abroad. I've already highlighted in a previous post that English based talent is vastly overinflated and with the small budget we have we need to make the most of it to improve the squad and not just a position.

Where Etheridge is concerned I would like to see him get his chance but only because we don't have to funds to bring in a quality GK like a Tom Heaton. However, a quality back up GK like a Wayne Hennessey could really push Etheridge to push on and take his game further.

I agree to a point but we get one shot at staying in the premier zohore would start for me every time snd i have said i think he will excel in the prem just the issue of his heading ability is a bit dubious i also think neil will be looking for loan players again so lets get a proven reserve striker of quality which does cost as regards etheridge i voted him my player of the season he literally came on leaps and bounds and would be my first choice in the prem a lot on these forums have been wanting another keeper as a reserve or even 1st choice i don't know who our 2ns choice keeper is at the moment but he must be pretty depressed if he reads tbese forums

Zohore has been no where near as good as he was last season.

He started the season on fire and we all thought he was going to be unreal again however after August he looked like the old zohore we had when we first signed him

Like others I agree to a point.

You can’t sign someone specifically as a back up keeper though when we don’t know how etheridge will react to premier league football, I agree etheridge should start the season, but we need someone good enough to step up if needed.

Similar to zohore, he has to be given the chance to prove himself, but we need a few players who will score goals.

I’d say we need a Right back, two CM, at least one striker a keeper and a winger. That’s 6 players (7 with two strikers) and I think we need a centre back too.

I have never shared everyone's opinion of Zohore. Apart from a brief 3 or 4 month spell when he could do nothing wrong, his goal scoring record has been distinctly average. I keep thinking he is on the verge of being a prolific scorer, but he never quite gets there. Personally, I don't think he will get a sniff against the better PL defenders. I doubt if he will get close to double figures in the top flight, and I predicted he would'nt get to double figures last season even though playing at a lower level. He is good at holding the ball up and bringing others into play, and I reckon he can do a job for us if he plays alongside an established PL scorer. I don't think he can get the goals to keep us up on his own, but could be a valuable link to a natural goal scorer, and possibly knock in the odd few himself. Up to now, something missing from his game for me, but I would love to see him prove me wrong.

We don’t know if either of them are good enough for the Premiership as yet be you need good two players for every position in case of injury’s and loss of form plus three spare.Only a squad of 25 in Premiership remember, we had 30 + in Squad last season!

Zohore has been no where near as good as he was last season.

He started the season on fire and we all thought he was going to be unreal again however after August he looked like the old zohore we had when we first signed him

you do know we won promotion with him as our lead striker and only outlet ...?

I think we definitely need to sign someone better/more experienced than Zohore.
It’s possible he could shine - which I have my doubts - or he could flop. Whatever, we need better.
Regarding the goalkeeper, again Etheridge is untested at the level we’ll be playing at so we need somebody to challenge him. Not necessarily Fabianski but somebody similar with prem experience. Then they can battle it out for the number one spot.
Personally, I like Etheridge and think he can do the job.
Only time will tell with both players though as nobody really knows.

I'm just putting this out there because I think the people who agree with me are either hesitant because of the amount of silly posts saying certain players we have aren't good enough, or the people just can't be bothered to post it because they think they'd get laughed at.

Here's how it is, we don't need a new FIRST CHOICE Goalkeeper. Etheridge is our first choice and I would be both suprised and dissapointed if that changed.
Zohore is our first choice striker. We do not need anyone "better", we need another option sure ofcourse we do. But Zohore is going to be better than anyone else we could manage to get for 15m. Zohore is young, 3 years off most players "prime".

The fact is the difference last season was Bamba, Etheridge, Morrison, Hoilett & Zohore. Everyone else for the most part were replacable and often switched in and out of the team. Bamba, Mozza, Etheridge, Hoilett & Zohore all deserve to start. There are also some players who deserve to have a chance because of their form etc such as Ralls and his potential is great too. But I'm talking about 5 players who for attacking or defending are game changers.

For there to be posts implying we NEED a new first choice Striker & goalkeeper is appalling because it's simply not true. Ofcourse we need Premier league quality BACK UPS. But we are not desperate to find the best players, we just need decent replacements for when our main boys are injured, tired or suspended. The only positions we NEED in our first season in the premier league are a couple Central midfielders, a winger, a BACKUP goalkeeper, and a full back. That's just 5 players. If we split our 30 million between those that's 6m each player. I think that would be fine. We need fighters with a bit of quality. We don't need much. If we needed a first choice winger/striker/goalkeeper/center half etc we'd be talking about alot of money. But despite what rumours on here state, what we are looking for won't cost us 15 million on 1 player ffs. Yes, we may pay that much for a player but that would be a special wepon of sorts, not neccarsarily something we need to stay up, just something to use as a plan B if all goes tits up.

I have alot more faith in this squad of players than most of you making these recruiting posts, clearly. One step at a time lads, we get too many "quality" players who think they're bigger than the club we'll find ourselves heading to relegation by christmas again. We need consistency and fighters. Not inconsistent trick ponys.

agree

They may well be good enough but we can't rely on your gut instinct especially in goals, we need two keepers who can compete for top spot or replace the other if they struggle.

Zohore has been no where near as good as he was last season.

He started the season on fire and we all thought he was going to be unreal again however after August he looked like the old zohore we had when we first signed him

Was pointed out to me when Salah went off injured on the weekend, that Salah scored more goals this season than Zohore has done in eight years as a professional. I know there is no real comparison between them, but in those eight years, Zohore has scored 40 goals. Looks like he will need to improve on those stats if we are relying on his goals to keep us in the top flight.

Zohore will be good enough I think he’s going to be much more suited to the premier league then he is the championship. He will have a lot more time on the ball and we all know how good he is when he’s turning and running at goal.

I also think Bruno is going to be one of our better players next season he’s probably going to keep Bamba out of the team. He’s more suited to the Premier League then he is the championship as well.

Zohore has been no where near as good as he was last season.

He started the season on fire and we all thought he was going to be unreal again however after August he looked like the old zohore we had when we first signed him

Was pointed out to me when Salah went off injured on the weekend, that Salah scored more goals this season than Zohore has done in eight years as a professional. I know there is no real comparison between them, but in those eight years, Zohore has scored 40 goals. Looks like he will need to improve on those stats if we are relying on his goals to keep us in the top flight.

hmmm
think there is a bit of a myth that without a prolific scorer you have no chance..
Southampton..Huddersfield and Watford had top scorers on 7 in the season just ended..
Newcastle and Bournemouth had top scorers on 8..
and the way we play without possesion and launching 70 yard balls at whoever is isolated up top we are never going to get a striker scoring bundles..

I suppose what we need to remember is the Premier League is a different animal.

The Championship is a lot tougher, a lot more tough tackling, scrappier football. The fact the style of football in the Premier League is a little slower and a little more about skill and movement rather than smashing your way through defenders may suit Zohore.

Etheridge gets too much criticism on this forum and the lad had a great season. I think many forget he was signed as a back up to Camp and many forget last season he was plying his trade at Walsall. To make that step up to the Championship, become 1st choice keeper and keep as many clean sheets as he did is amazing. At times he kept us in games too.

I think we just need to get behind the boys and give them full backing

I don't think either would have been snapped up by Premier teams if we had stayed down, and I don't think they are good enough.

We need a Striker that will score more goals than Zohore and a keeper save more shots, grab more crosses than Etheridge, if we can afford them they are the two most important positions on the pitch, closely followed by a top Central midfielder.

Swansea only stayed up the season before last because of Fabianski, Llorente and Sigurdsson, they chipped in with important goals and saves, the minute they sold Llorente and Sigurdsson they were doomed although Fabianski almost kept them up on his own !!!

They are good players but we need better to stay up.

"good enough" is a lot down to opportunity and circumstance anyway


ive said it before but look at someone like glen murray. no reason zohore couldnt do what hes done

I don't think either would have been snapped up by Premier teams if we had stayed down, and I don't think they are good enough.

We need a Striker that will score more goals than Zohore and a keeper save more shots, grab more crosses than Etheridge, if we can afford them they are the two most important positions on the pitch, closely followed by a top Central midfielder.

Swansea only stayed up the season before last because of Fabianski, Llorente and Sigurdsson, they chipped in with important goals and saves, the minute they sold Llorente and Sigurdsson they were doomed although Fabianski almost kept them up on his own !!!

They are good players but we need better to stay up.

I don't gamble but if we did go with those two I would stick a tenner on us going down, and hope to lose it !!!

I don't think either would have been snapped up by Premier teams if we had stayed down, and I don't think they are good enough.

We need a Striker that will score more goals than Zohore and a keeper save more shots, grab more crosses than Etheridge, if we can afford them they are the two most important positions on the pitch, closely followed by a top Central midfielder.

Swansea only stayed up the season before last because of Fabianski, Llorente and Sigurdsson, they chipped in with important goals and saves, the minute they sold Llorente and Sigurdsson they were doomed although Fabianski almost kept them up on his own !!!

They are good players but we need better to stay up.

saves more shots..

Whether someone is ‘Good Enough’ is an individuals opinion which might not be the best measure.

Both Zohore & Etheridge have great potential but are they the finished article? No
Do either have Premiership experience? - No

For me you could probably get away with Zohore in the Premiership but Etheridge is a keeper who plays in a vital position. He had a very shaky start to the season with a few clangers and is kicking/distribution was poor. He did however improve greatly and got better as the season went on. For me I would prefer an experienced Premier League keeper starting, e.g. Fabianski.

Keeper is one of those positions where you can’t take a gamble. Personally I think that Neil Warnock may well start with Etheridge and if he does then good luck to him. Slightly different playing in the Championship compared to the quality in the Premiership, Augero, Kane, Vardy, Salah, De Bryune running at you. Would be happier if we had a keeper who knows what to expect.

Whether someone is ‘Good Enough’ is an individuals opinion which might not be the best measure.

Both Zohore & Etheridge have great potential but are they the finished article? No
Do either have Premiership experience? - No

For me you could probably get away with Zohore in the Premiership but Etheridge is a keeper who plays in a vital position. He had a very shaky start to the season with a few clangers and is kicking/distribution was poor. He did however improve greatly and got better as the season went on. For me I would prefer an experienced Premier League keeper starting, e.g. Fabianski.

Keeper is one of those positions where you can’t take a gamble. Personally I think that Neil Warnock may well start with Etheridge and if he does then good luck to him. Slightly different playing in the Championship compared to the quality in the Premiership, Augero, Kane, Vardy, Salah, De Bryune running at you. Would be happier if we had a keeper who knows what to expect.

Etheridge for me all day long.

Hennessey on a free looks a good bet,experienced at International and Premiership level.Superb game for Wales last night,surprisingly not offered a contract by Palace?

I agree that both may be good enough in the PL but from a goalkeeping point of view, no one seems to be acknowledging the fact that Etheridge will be at the Asia cup with the Philippines for maybe a month? Surely we need adequate cover for that period after Christmas?

I agree that both may be good enough in the PL but from a goalkeeping point of view, no one seems to be acknowledging the fact that Etheridge will be at the Asia cup with the Philippines for maybe a month? Surely we need adequate cover for that period after Christmas?

We need adequate cover anyway, what if Etheridge broke a finger the day after the window closes or totally loses form (it happens) are we to wait until Jan for a keeper or trust in Camp (as it stands). The keeper coming in has to be at least equal or better than Etheridge no matter who starts the season as number one.

Zohore has been no where near as good as he was last season.

He started the season on fire and we all thought he was going to be unreal again however after August he looked like the old zohore we had when we first signed him

Was pointed out to me when Salah went off injured on the weekend, that Salah scored more goals this season than Zohore has done in eight years as a professional. I know there is no real comparison between them, but in those eight years, Zohore has scored 40 goals. Looks like he will need to improve on those stats if we are relying on his goals to keep us in the top flight.

hmmm
think there is a bit of a myth that without a prolific scorer you have no chance..
Southampton..Huddersfield and Watford had top scorers on 7 in the season just ended..
Newcastle and Bournemouth had top scorers on 8..
and the way we play without possesion and launching 70 yard balls at whoever is isolated up top we are never going to get a striker scoring bundles..

agree with part of what your saying, our goals this season came from players all over the park, thats what made us dangerous,bet if those goals were coming from one or two players we would have been found out.What most are forgetting on this thread is that Warnock himself is saying we need strengthening.I admire both Zahore and Etheridge, whilst its no good average back ups to these players knowing were going to lose Etheridge for part of the time and of course injuries, these positions really have to be pushed ,Zahore and Etheridge really have to play knowing theres someone that will hold those positions

Simple answer is YES
Zohore and Eithridge strong for the Premier League

I agree that both may be good enough in the PL but from a goalkeeping point of view, no one seems to be acknowledging the fact that Etheridge will be at the Asia cup with the Philippines for maybe a month? Surely we need adequate cover for that period after Christmas?

We need adequate cover anyway, what if Etheridge broke a finger the day after the window closes or totally loses form (it happens) are we to wait until Jan for a keeper or trust in Camp (as it stands). The keeper coming in has to be at least equal or better than Etheridge no matter who starts the season as number one.

funnily enough Etheridge was on borrowed time awaiting the fitness of Camp who was being hailed as some sort of super hero goalkeeper for the first half of the season..the Camp camp have now switched alligance to fabrianski