VAR - The Sooner the Better

Is it worth going to Football these days if you get ‘incorrect results’? There is so much money floating around in football that the big decisions which are missed or wrong could result in the potential loss of 150-200m for a team.

It is quite clear that Cardiff have been the victims of some horrendous refereeing decisions this season most notably Bamba’s disallowed goal at the death at Millwall followed by the blatant handball by the Millwall defender shortly afterwards. Most recently, the blatant handball at Derby that wasn’t given. On the other hand the teams in and around us seem to get away with a lot. Villa had 2 incidents of their players jumping in the box with their hands in the air in an attempt to block a free kick in with neither being given. Some argue that Mitrovic should have got a ban against Millwall. The decisions that went in Fulham’s favour last night with the Sunderland penalty appeal and questions about Fulham’s winner being offside.

These decisions are the difference between getting promotion or not and the rich returns of huge sums of money. No, I do not buy into the theory that it ‘evens itself out over the season’ because I can’t remember incidents where City have got away with such things. There have however been many injustices like the examples above. Isn’t it about time that the Premier League and Championship introduce VAR at the earliest opportunity? There is a lot of money involved and isn’t there the possibility of losing fans due to repeated incorrect decisions which are costing some teams and benefiting others. It is spoiling the game and many have probably had enough. If the technology is there, then why not use it to help get to the right result in a match?

Shocking. With VAR we'd have been promoted weeks ago

Shocking. With VAR we'd have been promoted weeks ago

The mockery is that when officials get it blatantly wrong on the pitch at the same time millions of people are watching the TV pictures which prove they clearly got it wrong. Everyone knows that officials are reaching the wrong decision on occasions except the people who are actually making those decisions.

Shocking. With VAR we'd have been promoted weeks ago

The mockery is that when officials get it blatantly wrong on the pitch at the same time millions of people are watching the TV pictures which prove they clearly got it wrong. Everyone knows that officials are reaching the wrong decision on occasions except the people who are actually making those decisions.

Always been the same. We see it more now because so many matches are being televised. Years ago you either went to the game or read about it the following morning, and decisions were not replayed and analysed a dozen times. I don't think we are the only fans complaining about refs. Whenever I look at opponents forums, they are nearly always complaining exactly the same as us, and apart from the games we lose, their complaints are often about how we were allowed to play for time with half an hour to play, how we get away with thuggish tactics, blatant foul in the build up to our goal etc. etc. Fans of every team are convinced the decisions always go against them and we are no different. I don't think poor refs are unique to Cardiff, and I don't think this is anything new. We used to moan like mad about reffing decisions fifty years ago.

f**k VAR

f**k VAR

Can someone please explain why they wouldn’t want to get the correct decisions and result in a match?

Would you be happy if Cardiff were to be denied promotion on the back of blatant incorrect decisions?

Far better to get to the right outcome regardless of the short breaks. Just look at other sports like cricket, rugby, tennis, NFL. They are moving with the times whereas Football has been left behind in a different era. If the technology is there why not use it? Would you still go around without a mobile, without a computer or other up to date things. Football needs to move with the times.

I’ve never understood the dislike for VAR; yes it may not get every decision right, but it will help get more decisions right than the current system.

There is so much money in the game now that anything which supports making the right decision is a must. Officials now seemed scared to make decisions for getting it wrong, but can always hide behind the ‘I didn’t see it’ as we’ve seen this week.

It’s all if and buts, but if VAR had been used it could have seen us 2 nil up at Derby and Fulham 2 nil down last night...who knows whether the overall outcome would have been different, but if they weren’t at least it would have meant Derby and Fulham has fully earned those points.

If we had VAR we'd have beat derby. Going 2-0 up HT they'd have not come back out like they did.
And Sunderland would have got something last night.
Without mentioning pens etc weve not had and Fulham had against them.

f**k VAR

Can someone please explain why they wouldn’t want to get the correct decisions and result in a match?

Would you be happy if Cardiff were to be denied promotion on the back of blatant incorrect decisions?

Far better to get to the right outcome regardless of the short breaks. Just look at other sports like cricket, rugby, tennis, NFL. They are moving with the times whereas Football has been left behind in a different era. If the technology is there why not use it? Would you still go around without a mobile, without a computer or other up to date things. Football needs to move with the times.

Var was supposed to be for obvious mistakes made by refs & lino but it's actually being used for every incident in pen area!!!! It won't be long before it will take over decision making for ref? Then what complaints about decisions that no body expected which will be against your team, whilst refs are abysmal hate to have var taking over decision making as will be lot more decision's going against you.

f**k VAR

Can someone please explain why they wouldn’t want to get the correct decisions and result in a match?

Would you be happy if Cardiff were to be denied promotion on the back of blatant incorrect decisions?

Far better to get to the right outcome regardless of the short breaks. Just look at other sports like cricket, rugby, tennis, NFL. They are moving with the times whereas Football has been left behind in a different era. If the technology is there why not use it? Would you still go around without a mobile, without a computer or other up to date things. Football needs to move with the times.

Var was supposed to be for obvious mistakes made by refs & lino but it's actually being used for every incident in pen area!!!! It won't be long before it will take over decision making for ref? Then what complaints about decisions that no body expected which will be against your team, whilst refs are abysmal hate to have var taking over decision making as will be lot more decision's going against you.

But it will be constistantly right? Even if it's for or against us.

We seem to think VAR would only help us. If it was being used this season, it would have worked against us as well. We remember the decisions that went against us but forget about the ones that went in our favour.

f**k VAR

Can someone please explain why they wouldn’t want to get the correct decisions and result in a match?

Would you be happy if Cardiff were to be denied promotion on the back of blatant incorrect decisions?

Far better to get to the right outcome regardless of the short breaks. Just look at other sports like cricket, rugby, tennis, NFL. They are moving with the times whereas Football has been left behind in a different era. If the technology is there why not use it? Would you still go around without a mobile, without a computer or other up to date things. Football needs to move with the times.

Var was supposed to be for obvious mistakes made by refs & lino but it's actually being used for every incident in pen area!!!! It won't be long before it will take over decision making for ref? Then what complaints about decisions that no body expected which will be against your team, whilst refs are abysmal hate to have var taking over decision making as will be lot more decision's going against you.

But it will be constistantly right? Even if it's for or against us.

Yes 99.9% of time but then some decisions are subjective and matters of opinion as been shown already! But do you want game stopped every other minute especially when lot of action in pen area? Whilst rational for using it is sound the consequences for teams can be just as bad with var going against you same as wrong decisions being made now ..

We seem to think VAR would only help us. If it was being used this season, it would have worked against us as well. We remember the decisions that went against us but forget about the ones that went in our favour.

Steve that's right just like refs decisions now it will go for and against you! we cannot have var taking over refs decisions or we will see far more controversy than there already is

I agree with the OP. Whether the VAR decision is in our favour or against us is irrelevant, the fact is that obvious errors are being made which can ultimately affect a club to the tune of over £100m.

For the sake of losing a minute or two of time, surely it's better if crucial decisions are more right than wrong.

f**k VAR

Can someone please explain why they wouldn’t want to get the correct decisions and result in a match?

Would you be happy if Cardiff were to be denied promotion on the back of blatant incorrect decisions?

Far better to get to the right outcome regardless of the short breaks. Just look at other sports like cricket, rugby, tennis, NFL. They are moving with the times whereas Football has been left behind in a different era. If the technology is there why not use it? Would you still go around without a mobile, without a computer or other up to date things. Football needs to move with the times.

If we were denied promotion it would be just as much down to our failings as it would bad refs. Same as every other team, they've all lost points from decisions. That's football, it's a game of hope, dissapointment and controversy.

I don't want to wait 5 bloody minutes to celebrate a goal thanks. There's nothing wrong with our game.

I agree with the OP. Whether the VAR decision is in our favour or against us is irrelevant, the fact is that obvious errors are being made which can ultimately affect a club to the tune of over £100m.

For the sake of losing a minute or two of time, surely it's better if crucial decisions the refare more right than wrong.

Take last night pen decision ref clearly saw the incident and didnt give it do we want the ref to be making the decision or var? if so ref becomes impotent as he will stop making his own judgement calls and wait for var to make them for him? Because that's what will happen chaos will insue over every game and half's will last 50+ mins every game.

I agree with the OP. Whether the VAR decision is in our favour or against us is irrelevant, the fact is that obvious errors are being made which can ultimately affect a club to the tune of over £100m.

For the sake of losing a minute or two of time, surely it's better if crucial decisions the refare more right than wrong.

Take last night pen decision ref clearly saw the incident and didnt give it do we want the ref to be making the decision or var? if so ref becomes impotent as he will stop making his own judgement calls and wait for var to make them for him? Because that's what will happen chaos will insue over every game and half's will last 50+ mins every game.

Suits me Allan, an extra 10+ mins away from the wife.

Do you honestly think the ref, on a VAR review, would not have overturned his original incompetent decision, because if he wouldn't there's bent money in the game.

The problem we have in modern day football is that there are now numerous cameras at every game
Every incident is shown from about 5 different angles in super slo mo
Last night “offside” decision for example , in real time I didn’t think he was offside so probably understandable why it wasn’t given
It wasn’t as blatant as many made out
You then got graham poll or another ex ref in the van instantly analysing the ref decision ffs
You then have the pundits analysing every decision countless times and even the pundits don’t always agree with each other so what chance has the ref got
Sky has created all this in modern football and not for the better in my opinion

I agree with the OP. Whether the VAR decision is in our favour or against us is irrelevant, the fact is that obvious errors are being made which can ultimately affect a club to the tune of over £100m.

For the sake of losing a minute or two of time, surely it's better if crucial decisions the refare more right than wrong.

Take last night pen decision ref clearly saw the incident and didnt give it do we want the ref to be making the decision or var? if so ref becomes impotent as he will stop making his own judgement calls and wait for var to make them for him? Because that's what will happen chaos will insue over every game and half's will last 50+ mins every game.

Suits me Allan, an extra 10+ mins away from the wife.

Do you honestly think the ref, on a VAR review, would not have overturned his original incompetent decision, because if he wouldn't there's bent money in the game.

Yes var would and that's the point he obviously saw it and didn't think was a pen rightly or wrongly? How long before refs stop making any decisions in box and wait for var to make them for him? Which is not what var suppose to do , var is to correct obvious mistakes but what constitutes a mistake? And even now var looking at everything that happens in Box which it's not suppose to do. As for extra time not a problem

I do honestly believe there is a place for VAR in the modern game with so much money and prestige ultimately depending on a human being (the referee) making a correct decision often in a split second.

I also understand the opposition to VAR including frequent stops in the action whilst the VAR decision is made leading to fan boredom.

My suggestion to make VAR work is two-fold:

1. Allow the captain of each team say a maximum 3 opportunities during a match to ask the referee to request a VAR review of a refereeing decision - e.g. a goal, a penalty award, a sending off - much like a tennis player being able to query a maximum number of calls by a tennis umpire during a match.
2. The football authorities to negotiate with Sky as part of the annual TV rights deal to install large TV screens at all grounds of 1st and 2nd division teams, (Championship and Premiership teams to pay for their own) to get the fans involved in the VAR decision making process by showing the fans the VAR reply as the VAR referee is making his decision - much as happens in rugby internationals.

We will never get every decision right even with VAR but we will get a massive increase in "right" decisions and the true result will come out much more often that it does now.