"We missed Gary Madine more than anyone"

NEIL WARNOCK:


'We missed Gary Madine more than anyone'

On Gary Madine and Yanic Wildschut:

"I thought that when Gary was on he dominated the centre-halves, I thought we were weaker when I brought on the three subs if I’m honest."

"It’s difficult picking the team."

"I was trying to give us a new lease of life with the substitutions and obviously it didn’t work out like that and I thought we missed Gary more than anyone."

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NEIL WARNOCK:


'We missed Gary Madine more than anyone'

On Gary Madine and Yanic Wildschut:

"I thought that when Gary was on he dominated the centre-halves, I thought we were weaker when I brought on the three subs if I’m honest."

"It’s difficult picking the team."

"I was trying to give us a new lease of life with the substitutions and obviously it didn’t work out like that and I thought we missed Gary more than anyone."

100% agree - If you don't appreciate Madine then you've never played the game IMO

NEIL WARNOCK:


'We missed Gary Madine more than anyone'

On Gary Madine and Yanic Wildschut:

"I thought that when Gary was on he dominated the centre-halves, I thought we were weaker when I brought on the three subs if I’m honest."

"It’s difficult picking the team."

"I was trying to give us a new lease of life with the substitutions and obviously it didn’t work out like that and I thought we missed Gary more than anyone."

100% agree - If you don't appreciate Madine then you've never played the game IMO

Rubbish. He works hard and tries to head stuff but he's absolutely devoid of confidence. He's not putting his body about and could play all night without scoring.

NEIL WARNOCK:


'We missed Gary Madine more than anyone'

On Gary Madine and Yanic Wildschut:

"I thought that when Gary was on he dominated the centre-halves, I thought we were weaker when I brought on the three subs if I’m honest."

"It’s difficult picking the team."

"I was trying to give us a new lease of life with the substitutions and obviously it didn’t work out like that and I thought we missed Gary more than anyone."

100% agree - If you don't appreciate Madine then you've never played the game IMO

Rubbish. He works hard and tries to head stuff but he's absolutely devoid of confidence. He's not putting his body about and could play all night without scoring.

He's not putting his body about!? OK mate

NEIL WARNOCK:


'We missed Gary Madine more than anyone'

On Gary Madine and Yanic Wildschut:

"I thought that when Gary was on he dominated the centre-halves, I thought we were weaker when I brought on the three subs if I’m honest."

"It’s difficult picking the team."

"I was trying to give us a new lease of life with the substitutions and obviously it didn’t work out like that and I thought we missed Gary more than anyone."

100% agree - If you don't appreciate Madine then you've never played the game IMO

Rubbish. He works hard and tries to head stuff but he's absolutely devoid of confidence. He's not putting his body about and could play all night without scoring.

He's not putting his body about!? OK mate

This is why ex pro's say "you have to play the game". Because some people don't understand.It's nothing personal by the way but some people think "strikers goals or rubbish"
it's clear to see someone playing off him with pace will get the flink ons etc. I just hope Warnock does it now.
Madine isn't scoring, but he brings alot more to the table than Zohore when he's marked out a game. They both need eachother to get the best out them, due to the way we play.

NEIL WARNOCK:


'We missed Gary Madine more than anyone'

On Gary Madine and Yanic Wildschut:

"I thought that when Gary was on he dominated the centre-halves, I thought we were weaker when I brought on the three subs if I’m honest."

"It’s difficult picking the team."

"I was trying to give us a new lease of life with the substitutions and obviously it didn’t work out like that and I thought we missed Gary more than anyone."

100% agree - If you don't appreciate Madine then you've never played the game IMO

Rubbish. He works hard and tries to head stuff but he's absolutely devoid of confidence. He's not putting his body about and could play all night without scoring.

He's not putting his body about!? OK mate

How often did he get brushed off the ball by Derby? What does he actually do? He's not scoring, not setting up chances and doesn't really hold the ball up. So please tell me, what am I missing?

Other than the miss I thought generally he did well against Derby, the quality up to him was poor at best, he was against 3 CB's and most he had very little support. Warnock is also right in that we lost it more so after he went on. Maybe should have been Zohore and Medine?

NEIL WARNOCK:


'We missed Gary Madine more than anyone'

On Gary Madine and Yanic Wildschut:

"I thought that when Gary was on he dominated the centre-halves, I thought we were weaker when I brought on the three subs if I’m honest."

"It’s difficult picking the team."

"I was trying to give us a new lease of life with the substitutions and obviously it didn’t work out like that and I thought we missed Gary more than anyone."

100% agree - If you don't appreciate Madine then you've never played the game IMO

Rubbish. He works hard and tries to head stuff but he's absolutely devoid of confidence. He's not putting his body about and could play all night without scoring.

He's not putting his body about!? OK mate

This is why ex pro's say "you have to play the game". Because some people don't understand.It's nothing personal by the way but some people think "strikers goals or rubbish"
it's clear to see someone playing off him with pace will get the flink ons etc. I just hope Warnock does it now.
Madine isn't scoring, but he brings alot more to the table than Zohore when he's marked out a game. They both need eachother to get the best out them, due to the way we play.

You are bang on mate. People don't realise that he's not going to have the ball at his feet and run at people..

Striker - “one of the attacking forwards”.

I totally understand what some people say in that a striker offers a lot more than just scoring goals (e.g holding the ball up, flick ons, etc) I agree with that observation. However a striker is also there to score goals.

At what stage do you say that a striker is not fulfilling the role that they were brought in to do? When they don’t score any goals within 3 games, 5 games, 10 games or 15 games? How long do you give them? Need to take into account how many goals a striker scores per minutes played. Accepted that Madine has had a stop start beginnng at City however you would have expected him to have found the net by now.

Probably is lacking confidence but you can guarantee as soon as he gets his first he will continue to score.

Always thought that he still had a big part to play in the remaining games whether he finds the net at Hull or against Reading.

(Was disappointed at the time that City didn’t bring in Grabban or Mitrovic)

If you think Madine didn't play well v Derby you don't know the game well and truly enough.

Take him away from the team and that goal wouldn't have happened, he managed to drag 2 centre halves with his presence and movement to free the space for Paterson. Bar his miss which was dire from him he done well and the reason we was getting up the pitch was down to him and his hold up play and presence.

Warnock admitted he got it wrong which is a positive step leading into these 2 games that he is not shying away from it.

If we'd signed Grabban, we'd be up by now. Madine is fine but he's never been a prolific scorer at any level, let alone the Championship bar this season. He's a striker and he's got 0 goals and 2 assists for us in over 500 minutes. I'm sorry, that's not good enough.

NEIL WARNOCK:


'We missed Gary Madine more than anyone'

On Gary Madine and Yanic Wildschut:

"I thought that when Gary was on he dominated the centre-halves, I thought we were weaker when I brought on the three subs if I’m honest."

"It’s difficult picking the team."

"I was trying to give us a new lease of life with the substitutions and obviously it didn’t work out like that and I thought we missed Gary more than anyone."

100% agree - If you don't appreciate Madine then you've never played the game IMO

Rubbish. He works hard and tries to head stuff but he's absolutely devoid of confidence. He's not putting his body about and could play all night without scoring.

He's not putting his body about!? OK mate

How often did he get brushed off the ball by Derby? What does he actually do? He's not scoring, not setting up chances and doesn't really hold the ball up. So please tell me, what am I missing?

How about the fact he drew in 2 defenders to free up Callum Paterson to bang in our goal? He's a lump and a huge physical presence. 2 defenders man marking him every time frees up someone else to have a pop at goal. Whether that be Hoillet, Paterson, Ralls or Zohore joining him up top.
Yes he should have scored that penalty at Wolves, yes he missed a glorious opportunity at Derby, yes he's missed other opportunities. But he's sent out by Warnock to do a job and that's to put himself about and free up others which he's doing!

In the first five games of the season, I thought the front three were the best attack we've had in years.

Mendez was probably the best of the three, but they were all contributing and Zohore's reputation from last season meant he was taking two or three players and leaving room for Hoilett and especially Mendez who caught a few teams by surprise.

Madine has come in at a time when we are struggling in attack with Hoilett our best player up there has hit a spell of bad form, and Mendez not at his best, hence being dropped. I appreciate what Madine is doing and given time believe he would fit in and be a right handful. The problem is we don't have any time to play him in, and he is short in confidence, it really is a dilemma. I'm not sure who we should play in attack tomorrow, fingers crossed Warnock does and from the sounds of it, Madine might start again?

Fingers crossed he can get that goal and help us over the line, he needs our support more than ever he's trying his best for us that's for sure, get behind him

In the first five games of the season, I thought the front three were the best attack we've had in years.

Mendez was probably the best of the three, but they were all contributing and Zohore's reputation from last season meant he was taking two or three players and leaving room for Hoilett and especially Mendez who caught a few teams by surprise.

Madine has come in at a time when we are struggling in attack with Hoilett our best player up there has hit a spell of bad form, and Mendez not at his best, hence being dropped. I appreciate what Madine is doing and given time believe he would fit in and be a right handful. The problem is we don't have any time to play him in, and he is short in confidence, it really is a dilemma. I'm not sure who we should play in attack tomorrow, fingers crossed Warnock does and from the sounds of it, Madine might start again?

Fingers crossed he can get that goal and help us over the line, he needs our support more than ever he's trying his best for us that's for sure, get behind him

I meant to add if Warnock rates him that's enough for me, he knows 10 times more than any of us, no matter what we think !!!

If you think Madine didn't play well v Derby you don't know the game well and truly enough.

Take him away from the team and that goal wouldn't have happened, he managed to drag 2 centre halves with his presence and movement to free the space for Paterson. Bar his miss which was dire from him he done well and the reason we was getting up the pitch was down to him and his hold up play and presence.

Warnock admitted he got it wrong which is a positive step leading into these 2 games that he is not shying away from it.

Yes, it’s a step. But is it big enough? He fails to identify the gap in midfield that left us open. And he fails to address the fact that we can’t string two passes together going forward. I’m not to optimistic about this, as it looks to be more of the same tomorrow. Hit high and long, then chase the ball. It’s all about energy.

Truth is always in the eye of the beholder or just behind the retina. He does put himself in areas but is a man-donkey, and Yes, donkeys do have tempers

People always love to use the "You've never played football" card to have a genuine opinion.

I'm really really sorry, I've wanted to enjoy & appreciate Madine, and tbh I've stuck up for him in the past, didn't blame him for the penalty miss etc, still would have carried on bringing him off the bench to play with Zohore if we aren't winning a game etc etc. But to try and seriously tell me I don't appreciate what he does because I "don't play football proffesionally" is just like a christian coming up to my door and telling me if I don't have god then I'm going to hell. It's bullshit. I don't doubt that playing the game will give you more credibility. But it certainly doesn't mean we're wrong because we thought someone had a crap game.

Matthew Connolly is apparently Neil Warnocks favourite player according to him.
Lee Camp (if fit) would have been Warnocks joint #1 keeper this season...and we all know how he has done for Sunderland.

I'm not going to defend or attack Madine for his contributions up to this point in the season, but if certain individuals are going to frustrate and belittle peoples opinions on the last game Madine had then I'm going to point out a few things.

Gary Madine v Derby.

Madine won zero headers for us that put us in an attacking position. Whilst Patterson constantly did. Madine won a couple headers that were wayward but that's it.
His hold up play was lackluster and more often than not took one too many touches and lost posession.
He scuffed his passes and his shots, more notably the chance he had that Hoilett/Ralls put on a plate for him (I forget who it was).

If people are saying he "battled" last week then I'm not suprised we lost the game because he didn't win any sort of battle. He was pedestrian.


The things Warnock says about Connolly & now Madine, you guys need to realize he is saying it for their confidence. That's the only reason. Madine needs confidence and he's not going to get it by Warnock dwelling on his inconsistency's.

Think for yourselves guys and if someone disagrees with you then go for it share your opinion like I have, but stop this crap about they can't have a valid opinion if they haven't played footie. I would like to note I have APPRECIATED Madine's efforts in the past, but when you balance the fact that he is taking Zohore's spot. It's not good enough.

Don’t mean to be rude but we are all intitled to an opinion. Saying that you need to play the game to be able to cast judgement is rubbish imo. Even Sky pundits called Madine “a player without confidence”. I think he could be a decent target man for us, I would beg for Zohore or Pilks to be there next to him to pick up on flick one etc. Right now he is a straight swap with Zohore and that’s not working

Don’t mean to be rude but we are all intitled to an opinion. Saying that you need to play the game to be able to cast judgement is rubbish imo. Even Sky pundits called Madine “a player without confidence”. I think he could be a decent target man for us, I would beg for Zohore or Pilks to be there next to him to pick up on flick one etc. Right now he is a straight swap with Zohore and that’s not working

i agree, everyone should be entitled to an opinion, but earlier it was said he brings nothing. Which isn't true, which then makes people question the judgement.
Hes not scoring, and doesn't have confidence. I agree. 100%.

But we play long ball, no two ways about it. Madine is the only one who will win headers and hold the ball. Play Zohore or Pilks off him.

I'd try and find a way to play all 3, we need to win now.

But yes, i agree everyone is entitled to an opinion though. I get it if people are frustrated with him. I do. But to say hes useless and brings nothing, when hes probably the only striker we have who can play the way we do (IF USED RIGHT) is harsh.

NEIL WARNOCK:


'We missed Gary Madine more than anyone'

On Gary Madine and Yanic Wildschut:

"I thought that when Gary was on he dominated the centre-halves, I thought we were weaker when I brought on the three subs if I’m honest."

"It’s difficult picking the team."

"I was trying to give us a new lease of life with the substitutions and obviously it didn’t work out like that and I thought we missed Gary more than anyone."

100% agree - If you don't appreciate Madine then you've never played the game IMO

Fully agree .
A CF like that encourages you to at further up the field

If the players taken off at Derby we missed Ward more than the others. He was one of our best players and disciplined getting back to cover (compare Wildschut).Warnock comments on Madine are meant to ease pressure from fans etc on him.
Whatever his abilities are it has been a poor start. My concern with him is not his strength, ability to flick on headers etc but it is his apparent lack of mobility. His running speed appears to be a fast trot.
No doubt be can do a job for a mid table championship club BUT WE were a club going for the autos. Grabban can be physical and he is mobile - Madine seems just physical and therefore I was disappointed we got him.
In the event we do get promoted,he would not get into any other premier team! Imho he wouldn't get in half the championship teams cos of his limitations ( mobility).
Anyway I hope he has a part to play in the next two games (e.g. Winning header or something!).
Now .. Come on Sunderland!! Hmm!!!!

People always love to use the "You've never played football" card to have a genuine opinion.

I'm really really sorry, I've wanted to enjoy & appreciate Madine, and tbh I've stuck up for him in the past, didn't blame him for the penalty miss etc, still would have carried on bringing him off the bench to play with Zohore if we aren't winning a game etc etc. But to try and seriously tell me I don't appreciate what he does because I "don't play football proffesionally" is just like a christian coming up to my door and telling me if I don't have god then I'm going to hell. It's bullshit. I don't doubt that playing the game will give you more credibility. But it certainly doesn't mean we're wrong because we thought someone had a crap game.

Matthew Connolly is apparently Neil Warnocks favourite player according to him.
Lee Camp (if fit) would have been Warnocks joint #1 keeper this season...and we all know how he has done for Sunderland.

I'm not going to defend or attack Madine for his contributions up to this point in the season, but if certain individuals are going to frustrate and belittle peoples opinions on the last game Madine had then I'm going to point out a few things.

Gary Madine v Derby.

Madine won zero headers for us that put us in an attacking position. Whilst Patterson constantly did. Madine won a couple headers that were wayward but that's it.
His hold up play was lackluster and more often than not took one too many touches and lost posession.
He scuffed his passes and his shots, more notably the chance he had that Hoilett/Ralls put on a plate for him (I forget who it was).

If people are saying he "battled" last week then I'm not suprised we lost the game because he didn't win any sort of battle. He was pedestrian.


The things Warnock says about Connolly & now Madine, you guys need to realize he is saying it for their confidence. That's the only reason. Madine needs confidence and he's not going to get it by Warnock dwelling on his inconsistency's.

Think for yourselves guys and if someone disagrees with you then go for it share your opinion like I have, but stop this crap about they can't have a valid opinion if they haven't played footie. I would like to note I have APPRECIATED Madine's efforts in the past, but when you balance the fact that he is taking Zohore's spot. It's not good enough.

Totally agree with this, couldn’t have put it any better

People always love to use the "You've never played football" card to have a genuine opinion.

I'm really really sorry, I've wanted to enjoy & appreciate Madine, and tbh I've stuck up for him in the past, didn't blame him for the penalty miss etc, still would have carried on bringing him off the bench to play with Zohore if we aren't winning a game etc etc. But to try and seriously tell me I don't appreciate what he does because I "don't play football proffesionally" is just like a christian coming up to my door and telling me if I don't have god then I'm going to hell. It's bullshit. I don't doubt that playing the game will give you more credibility. But it certainly doesn't mean we're wrong because we thought someone had a crap game.

Matthew Connolly is apparently Neil Warnocks favourite player according to him.
Lee Camp (if fit) would have been Warnocks joint #1 keeper this season...and we all know how he has done for Sunderland.

I'm not going to defend or attack Madine for his contributions up to this point in the season, but if certain individuals are going to frustrate and belittle peoples opinions on the last game Madine had then I'm going to point out a few things.

Gary Madine v Derby.

Madine won zero headers for us that put us in an attacking position. Whilst Patterson constantly did. Madine won a couple headers that were wayward but that's it.
His hold up play was lackluster and more often than not took one too many touches and lost posession.
He scuffed his passes and his shots, more notably the chance he had that Hoilett/Ralls put on a plate for him (I forget who it was).

If people are saying he "battled" last week then I'm not suprised we lost the game because he didn't win any sort of battle. He was pedestrian.


The things Warnock says about Connolly & now Madine, you guys need to realize he is saying it for their confidence. That's the only reason. Madine needs confidence and he's not going to get it by Warnock dwelling on his inconsistency's.

Think for yourselves guys and if someone disagrees with you then go for it share your opinion like I have, but stop this crap about they can't have a valid opinion if they haven't played footie. I would like to note I have APPRECIATED Madine's efforts in the past, but when you balance the fact that he is taking Zohore's spot. It's not good enough.

Totally agree with this, couldn’t have put it any better

Sorry, but if this donkey is named in the team tomorrow, then we really are settling for the play offs.

I think you are talking tosh Neil, but i suppose there is only one way to prove you are correct and that is for him to start imposing himself on games rather than mildly let it pass him by.

Just compare Madine to Mitrovic and then that will answer how well he is doing. Both similar, physical players but a huge difference between them. Madine has looked just how I expected since he arrived, a journeyman striker who will win the odd flick on, and try and put himself about, but is limited technically. However, I do think he still has a big goal in him this season!

This is in two parts, firstly Warnock doesn't want to admit he bought an absolute dud for 3mil. You know behind closed doors he's wishing he'd signed any of the strikers our rivals picked up in Jan!!

Secondly he knows telling the truth about the guy is hardly going to fill him with confidence.

Problem is I think Madine knows he's having a shocker. With the pen miss against Wolves along with the tap in miss at Derby its going to knock anyones confidence, never mind not scoring since coming to us as a major signing. Simply the guy needs a goal more than anyone!!

This is reverse psychology or even alchemy. Warnock's trying to get gold out of base metal. He needs all the help he can get.

Personally i feel abit sorry for Madine, yeah i know there is no place for “Sentiment” in football but the lad just needs that break or that little bit of luck to get his first goal. Cant be easy missing that pen and still yet to find the net. Hearing the Cardiff fans slagging him off then chanting Zohore’s name when he is not on the pitch. Lets not forget everyone loves a Scapegoat when things arent going right. I know its business end and we need everyone firing but is he the only one not doing it.? i dont think so.

He's coming on to score the winner today

He's coming on to score the winner today

he might come handy in the premier league....new 'star' signings might need security work at their houses while at games