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America will never ban guns

Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:29 am

Because no politicians want it to happen, just look what the Georgia politicians have done, obviously none of their family have been affected by gun violence.

http://www.bbc.com/news/43250091

Re: America will never ban guns

Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:49 am

Especially when alledgedy Trump and part of his team are shall we say getting sponsored by the gun companies .

Re: America will never ban guns

Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:04 am

NIBluebird wrote:Especially when alledgedy Trump and part of his team are shall we say getting sponsored by the gun companies .



Businesses and institutions financially back like minded political parties it’s not exactly anything new.

Americans gun issues are a bit deeper than just blaming trump

Re: America will never ban guns

Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:05 am

A lot of Americans views are ‘a good man with a gun is better than a bad man with a gun’.
I can’t see them banning them personally but there again I didn’t think we would ban smoking in pubs!

Re: America will never ban guns

Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:51 am

It's not going to happen anytime soon, the NRA fund the Republican party to the tune of (average) $500,000 a year thus enabling enough opposition to most of the proposed bills restricting gun use in the states. Let's not forget that it is a also a multi million pound business that if curtailed would have a adverse effect on their economy and that is the leverage that could, would be used should opposition be seen to be gaining momentum.
The manufacturers of weaponry for domestic use as well as export is a truly massive business and Imo any opposition to the continuing growth of this industry will always be met with fierce opposition. Sadly thousands of people will die in America will die as a result of shootings every year but the global institutions will call it collateral damage. God bless America.

Re: America will never ban guns

Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:58 am

Won't ban guns but there is movement to ban extensions and one supplier is banning automatic guns and NRA support as been dropped by companies, so only little steps but it's a start? No doubt with other atrocities more will happen. :old:

Re: America will never ban guns

Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:05 am

And the answer is....................

Oh, there isn't one.

There are more guns than people in the states and guns don't die.

What sane country allows the selling of tools of war to the public, but they have for the last 220 years

Re: America will never ban guns

Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:00 pm

He's suggested arming teachers! Haha

Re: America will never ban guns

Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:55 pm

I think its there right to be armed, bad people will always get guns and the American people have a right to defend themselves

Re: America will never ban guns

Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:22 pm

wez1927 wrote:I think its there right to be armed, bad people will always get guns and the American people have a right to defend themselves


But in these cases the bad people go after those who they know can’t defend themselves.

Re: America will never ban guns

Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:41 pm

It will only change when the American mindset changes. What it will take for that makes frightening thinking as shooting of school children does not seem to be doing much.

Re: America will never ban guns

Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:41 pm

There is a massive opioid problem in the states and many Yanks say the mass shooters are often off their tits. Strangely you can by an assault rifle at 18 but have to be 21 to buy alcohol.

Re: America will never ban guns

Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:40 pm

One of the world's biggest hedge fund companies are withdrawing their support for gun makers! Obviously won't stop the 2nd ammendment but change attitudes it will!! as they provide pensions ect for these people.

Re: America will never ban guns

Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:27 pm

paulh_85 wrote:Americans gun issues are a bit deeper than just blaming trump


This is my thinking as well.

My two pence on this topic is that the issue with Gun rights in the US is far more complicated than the one president and to be honest we're probably never really going to get a true understanding of it as it is so far removed from our social thinking that we don't really comprehend the reasons why they would want to keep guns.

As another poster mentioned the second amendment is what affords Americans one of their inalienable rights to protect their home and their families and under the US constitution these are rights provided to man by God, not by the state so to repeal the 2nd amendment is by extension far more than repealing someone's right to bear arms - it potentially undermines the entire constitution. If the 2nd is repealed what guarantees that the 1st - i.e. the right to freedom of speech, is untouchable.

That's not to say I don't think the legislation cannot be reviewed and amended (which is what I think Trump has actually suggested) but even then the conversation is highly complicated and one that needs a lot of delicate consideration, honest non-partisan discussion and robust, well thought out policies based on logic not emotions that are of course going to be running understandably high after such a tragedy.

One final point I'd make - is that whilst the latest school shooting in Florida is of course only the last in a number of tragic school shootings (each of which genuinely breaks my heart as a father to hear about) and whilst easy access to guns is undoubtedly a key reason for the shooters ability to kill so many innocents, it is also being quite widely overlooked that in pretty much every instance of such attacks the perpetrator is on prescribed mood stabilising medication.

Chucking out pills to help kids with things like ADHD, depression, anxiety issues is not a solution it is a sticking plaster and a recipe for disaster in my opinion.

Yes, gun control absolutely needs to be one focus in the conversation around how American's can end this heinous trend of school shootings, but equally the role that drugs such as ritalin, prozac, Paxil etc etc have played in each of the shootings to date should surely also be part of the conversation as well?

One poster mentioned the amount the NRA puts towards lobbying, perhaps the fact that the pharmaceuticals companies spend a reported 8 times as much on lobbying is the reason why that part of the discussion is largely kept out of the headlines?

Re: America will never ban guns

Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:59 am

It’s a difficult problem for the government because many Yanks have guns because they don’t trust their own government, they’re convinced either the banking system will completely collapse, taking society with it or a Zombie Apocalypse is just round thecorner :o .

Re: America will never ban guns

Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:10 am

The USA is a country of massive divides and contradictions - the land of the free, but tens of millions live in abject poverty with no access to proper healthcare or decent education, let alone jobs.

Free to murder whoever you like.

The greatest country in the world they call it, without ever, ever thinking hey, that might piss a few other countries off d'ya think??

All this in one of the most beautiful places on God's earth.

Sad beyond words, it really is.