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VAR WATCH - WILL IT HELP OR HINDER THE GAME?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:02 pm

Ref Review: VAR hits headlines at Liverpool; Joe Bennett shocker
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VAR took centre stage in the FA Cup this weekend in Liverpool’s defeat to West Brom, while Lee Mason has an afternoon to forget in Cardiff.


Refereeing decisions are regularly the source of debate among fans, pundits, players and managers so this season a five-strong TEAMtalk panel will be passing judgement on every red card (or avoidance of one), every penalty and any other major incident every matchday.

We’ll also decide on a weekly basis which side can consider themselves lucky and which was the easiest decision for a match official to make.


Wigan v West Ham United

A truly ignominious FA Cup performance from West Ham was summed up by Masuaku’s dismissal for spitting at the JJB. Eyebrows were raised in some circles after the bookies made League One Wigan firm favourites before the game. However their Premier League counterparts didn’t look or play like a top flight side and were well beaten on the day. Masuaku has been handed a six-match ban after spitting at Nick Powell following a heavy challenge by the touchline early in the second half, with his own boss even branding his actions “despicable”.

Verdict: Correct decision


Over 4500 West Ham fans made the trip north to witness a feeble effort from the Hammers, who were not helped by a dubious penalty award to Wigan just after the hour. Reece Burke was penalised for handball when Will Grigg attempted to lift the ball past him but replays suggested it was more a case of ball to hand and Chris Kavanagh’s looks to have got this one all wrong.

Verdict: Incorrect decision


Sheffield United penalty v Preston's North End

The Blades are into the fifth round for the first time in three years but it took a controversial penalty at Bramall Lane to see off Preston. PNE boss Alex Neil said afterwards “I think the disappointing thing is to go out to a contentious penalty. Having watched it back about six times, it’s still a wee bit inconclusive for me.” Tom Clark’s tackle on Billy Sharp – who was going away from goal at the time – was deemed illegal by Graham Scott. Such a tough call to be fair and while Sheffield United perhaps deserved the victory having played so well, it did look a soft award.

Verdict: Incorrect decision


Liverpool v West Brom

The VAR system dominated the headlines at Anfield after taking centre stage during a truly breathless FA Cup tie. First of all, with West Brom leading 2-1 Craig Dawson beat Roberto Firmino to the ball and nodded them into a 3-1 lead. Or so we thought. Ref Craig Pawson went for VAR which correctly spotted that Gareth Barry, who was right in front of the goalkeeper, was inches offside when Dawson connected with his header.

Verdict: Correct decision


A bit of history here with the first ever pitch side VAR decision in English football. Good luck spelling Grzegorz Krychowiak in the pub quiz though, especially after five pints. The Baggies star tugged Mo Salah’a shirt in the box but Pawson original decision was to wave play on. Play was brought back however and after VAR was consulted a penalty (subsequently missed) was awarded. It was the correct call but critics of the system point to the fact it took over three minutes to conclude it was a spot kick. It definitely disturbed the flow of the game on Merseyside, and if refs become over reliant on VAR the game could well run into problems down the line.

Verdict: Correct decision


West Brom third goal v Liverpool

Pawson again signalled for VAR after Joe Matip bundled into his own net after the ball was turned goalwards by the lively Dawson. There was a suspicion of offside in the lead up but replays confirmed the goal was legit. Three big calls. Three correct decisions and despite old heads like John Motson calling for its removal already, it looks like VAR is here to stay.

Verdict: Correct decision



Chelsea v Newcastle United

Eden Hazard goal
Where’s VAR when you need it then? To be fair Chelsea and their fans won’t be losing too much sleep after a facile 3-0 win over Newcastle, but Hazard was wrongly flagged for offside when clean through on goal. It was a great touch from Michy Batshuayi to Hazard, who was then flagged offside by the assistant… in his own half! Bizarre.

Verdict: Incorrect decision


Cardiff City v Manchester City

Bernardo Silva disallowed goal
An absolute golazo by Bernardo Silva was disallowed with Leroy Sane judged to have been offside and interfering when he let rip from just inside the area. Sane was actually onside, though we are talking absolute fractions here though. That said, Pep Guardiola had every right to boot off with the referee from the touchline after Silva’s screamer was chalked off.

Verdict: Incorrect decision


Joe Bennett yellow card v Manchester City
Bennett was only cautioned for a filthy challenge that could have easily broken Sane’s leg. The young German was in full flight having travelled half the length of the field before Bennett’s thuggish intervention. Red card all day long. He was ironically dismissed in injury-time for a second yellow but should have walked long before that.

Verdict: Incorrect decision



Team most likely to feel brassed off award

Manchester City

Despite a relatively routine 2-0 Pep Guardiola was incensed with the referee Lee Mason at the finish, who he felt clearly failed to protect his players by not dismissing Bennett for that shocking first half lunge. The vexed former Barca boss confirmed later that Sane will now miss two or three weeks with an ankle injury sustained at the Cardiff City Stadium. Chalking off a perfectly legitimate Bernardo Silva strike clearly can’t have endeared the officials to Guardiola either.



Stonewall decision of the week

Masuaku red card

The referee didn’t see the incident but the TV cameras and Wigan’s players, including a furious Powell, certainly did. Arthur Masuaku faces a six-match ban after being sent off for spitting in West Ham’s dismal FA Cup defeat to Wigan, and he can have no complaints as there is simply no place for this type of behaviour in sport.
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Re: VAR WATCH - WILL IT HELP OR HINDER THE GAME?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:03 pm

Don't like it, don't want it.

I think its the one thing that could finally kill the game off for me.

Re: VAR WATCH - WILL IT HELP OR HINDER THE GAME?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:06 pm

I think that VAR will help make crucial decisions, such as penalty claims, offside traps and other match deciding factors. I think that the EFL Championship will be more receptive to VAR, as the biggest risks to finances are in the Championship, where teams are trying to get to the Premier League and its treasure trove

Re: VAR WATCH - WILL IT HELP OR HINDER THE GAME?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:09 pm

My personal opinion is that just like the egg it will eventually lead to referees not making a decision at all as again VAR is on the opinion of someone else who gets to watch it over and over again (who may give wrong decision) while everyone is freezing their nuts off in the ground.

You now hear constantly players saying look at the video even if they know they are wrong, look at the video and this same thing will happen in football and it will just slow the game down and turn it into a watch on TV sport.

For disputed goals YES (crossed the line) for anything else NO, we would have nothing to debate about if it is used for everything.

It is the Beautiful game after all, and all the talking points off the past will be no longer :old:

Re: VAR WATCH - WILL IT HELP OR HINDER THE GAME?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:56 pm

how about introducing challenges like tennis, maybe 2 challenges per half, which can be called for by the manager on the next stoppage in play.

Re: VAR WATCH - WILL IT HELP OR HINDER THE GAME?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:51 pm

if you take the Liverpool penalty incident as the norm then you are going to be awarding a penalty kick at every corner with the amount of shirt pulling that goes on.

Re: VAR WATCH - WILL IT HELP OR HINDER THE GAME?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:52 pm

steve davies wrote:if you take the Liverpool penalty incident as the norm then you are going to be awarding a penalty kick at every corner with the amount of shirt pulling that goes on.


One of the problems, Steve. Personally, goal line apart, I'm against VAR :ayatollah:

Re: VAR WATCH - WILL IT HELP OR HINDER THE GAME?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:01 pm

Thought red card decision was if he was going to give red card ? Not was tackle worthy of red as in Bennett case he saw incident deemed it yellow! How was that an obvious error? Unless of course ref and lino are blind!
And at time no one thought at 1st it was a red card only when replayed did it look bad,var will be making all the decision's if not careful

Re: VAR WATCH - WILL IT HELP OR HINDER THE GAME?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:06 pm

2blue2handle wrote:Don't like it, don't want it.

I think its the one thing that could finally kill the game off for me.

I'm with you on this don't want it one bit.....

Re: VAR WATCH - WILL IT HELP OR HINDER THE GAME?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:26 pm

The Cardiff City v Manchester City game did not have VAR! Only goal line technology was used.

Re: VAR WATCH - WILL IT HELP OR HINDER THE GAME?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:27 pm

Sven wrote:
steve davies wrote:if you take the Liverpool penalty incident as the norm then you are going to be awarding a penalty kick at every corner with the amount of shirt pulling that goes on.


One of the problems, Steve. Personally, goal line apart, I'm against VAR :ayatollah:


goal line and offside is enough in the game as we will go down the rugby union route where referee's use it constantly as the easy option rather than make decisions themselves

Re: VAR WATCH - WILL IT HELP OR HINDER THE GAME?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:49 pm

steve davies wrote:
Sven wrote:
steve davies wrote:if you take the Liverpool penalty incident as the norm then you are going to be awarding a penalty kick at every corner with the amount of shirt pulling that goes on.


One of the problems, Steve. Personally, goal line apart, I'm against VAR :ayatollah:


goal line and offside is enough in the game as we will go down the rugby union route where referee's use it constantly as the easy option rather than make decisions themselves



That's what I said little while ago! Rugby started off just tries now it's forward passes knock on in movements 2 mins earlier because ref cannot make his own decisions simple decision he goes tmo, :old: