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Do the defeats effect our spending?

Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:18 pm

Do you think the four defeats and dropping two points away from automatic positions instead of maybe being 6 points clear in second will effect the purse strings released in a January?

Ultimately it comes down to trust, but if I take my football fan hat off and put my business one on just for a minute I would feel a lot more comfortable spending and gambling that money a month ago. Or does it have the total opposite effect and highlight how badly reinforcements are needed due to all the injuries?

Options?

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:34 pm

Stringfellow wrote:Do you think the four defeats and dropping two points away from automatic positions instead of maybe being 6 points clear in second will effect the purse strings released in a January?

Ultimately it comes down to trust, but if I take my football fan hat off and put my business one on just for a minute I would feel a lot more comfortable spending and gambling that money a month ago. Or does it have the total opposite effect and highlight how badly reinforcements are needed due to all the injuries?

Options?

Could make us spend more

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:40 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Stringfellow wrote:Do you think the four defeats and dropping two points away from automatic positions instead of maybe being 6 points clear in second will effect the purse strings released in a January?

Ultimately it comes down to trust, but if I take my football fan hat off and put my business one on just for a minute I would feel a lot more comfortable spending and gambling that money a month ago. Or does it have the total opposite effect and highlight how badly reinforcements are needed due to all the injuries?

Options?

Could make us spend more


Yeah maybe or maybe tan will be slightly nervous ( I would ) hopefully sound investments that will not devalue if we don't go up. That's the key for me.

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:43 pm

Part of Warnock's master plan. Is it a coincidence that we start playing shit when the transfer window is about to open and tan is here.

It's Warnock's way of pointing out to him that we need to spend more in January to achieve promotion.


Or it could actually just be down to all the injuries

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:43 pm

Stringfellow wrote:Do you think the four defeats and dropping two points away from automatic positions instead of maybe being 6 points clear in second will effect the purse strings released in a January?

Ultimately it comes down to trust, but if I take my football fan hat off and put my business one on just for a minute I would feel a lot more comfortable spending and gambling that money a month ago. Or does it have the total opposite effect and highlight how badly reinforcements are needed due to all the injuries?

Options?



Gareth, yes I think so. Tan watched three games and three of our wirst of the season.
Tan was already only given us peanuts compared to other clubs spending, now it will be rice.

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:03 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Stringfellow wrote:Do you think the four defeats and dropping two points away from automatic positions instead of maybe being 6 points clear in second will effect the purse strings released in a January?

Ultimately it comes down to trust, but if I take my football fan hat off and put my business one on just for a minute I would feel a lot more comfortable spending and gambling that money a month ago. Or does it have the total opposite effect and highlight how badly reinforcements are needed due to all the injuries?

Options?



Gareth, yes I think so. Tan watched three games and three of our worst of the season.
Tan was already only given us peanuts compared to other clubs spending, now it will be rice.


The amounts spent never bothers me, we have already seen what can be done. I just hope it doesn't effect what Warnock wants. For example if players identified comes to a certain amount is now out of the question.

Question for you : take the football fan hat off, would you be more likely to put your hand in your pocket a month ago than now if you were the owner?

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:26 pm

Stringfellow wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Stringfellow wrote:Do you think the four defeats and dropping two points away from automatic positions instead of maybe being 6 points clear in second will effect the purse strings released in a January?

Ultimately it comes down to trust, but if I take my football fan hat off and put my business one on just for a minute I would feel a lot more comfortable spending and gambling that money a month ago. Or does it have the total opposite effect and highlight how badly reinforcements are needed due to all the injuries?

Options?



Gareth, yes I think so. Tan watched three games and three of our worst of the season.
Tan was already only given us peanuts compared to other clubs spending, now it will be rice.


The amounts spent never bothers me, we have already seen what can be done. I just hope it doesn't effect what Warnock wants. For example if players identified comes to a certain amount is now out of the question.

Question for you : take the football fan hat off, would you be more likely to put your hand in your pocket a month ago than now if you were the owner?



Logic says more now as the last week as shown we need strengthening ! Before last 4 games he may have thought we are doing OK so don't need strengthening?

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:35 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Stringfellow wrote:Do you think the four defeats and dropping two points away from automatic positions instead of maybe being 6 points clear in second will effect the purse strings released in a January?

Ultimately it comes down to trust, but if I take my football fan hat off and put my business one on just for a minute I would feel a lot more comfortable spending and gambling that money a month ago. Or does it have the total opposite effect and highlight how badly reinforcements are needed due to all the injuries?

Options?



Gareth, yes I think so. Tan watched three games and three of our worst of the season.
Tan was already only given us peanuts compared to other clubs spending, now it will be rice.


We may not have spent much out but let's not pretend Warnock hasn't been well backs, new contracts for the likes of Manga. Turning down big offers for Morrison and Zohore. I'm sure if Warnock wanted he could have sold them both and had about 10m to spend from sales.

To answer the original question I don't think so, I don't think we were every spending much in Jan.

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:35 pm

Jonsey Jones wrote:Part of Warnock's master plan. Is it a coincidence that we start playing shit when the transfer window is about to open and tan is here.

It's Warnock's way of pointing out to him that we need to spend more in January to achieve promotion.


Or it could actually just be down to all the injuries


You could be right ;)

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:07 am

2blue2handle wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Stringfellow wrote:Do you think the four defeats and dropping two points away from automatic positions instead of maybe being 6 points clear in second will effect the purse strings released in a January?

Ultimately it comes down to trust, but if I take my football fan hat off and put my business one on just for a minute I would feel a lot more comfortable spending and gambling that money a month ago. Or does it have the total opposite effect and highlight how badly reinforcements are needed due to all the injuries?

Options?



Gareth, yes I think so. Tan watched three games and three of our worst of the season.
Tan was already only given us peanuts compared to other clubs spending, now it will be rice.


We may not have spent much out but let's not pretend Warnock hasn't been well backs, new contracts for the likes of Manga. Turning down big offers for Morrison and Zohore. I'm sure if Warnock wanted he could have sold them both and had about 10m to spend from sales.

To answer the original question I don't think so, I don't think we were every spending much in Jan.



totally agree about him being backed

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:39 am

Could work either way however to me it highlights the fact of how badly we need a few players

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:02 am

Stringfellow wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Stringfellow wrote:Do you think the four defeats and dropping two points away from automatic positions instead of maybe being 6 points clear in second will effect the purse strings released in a January?

Ultimately it comes down to trust, but if I take my football fan hat off and put my business one on just for a minute I would feel a lot more comfortable spending and gambling that money a month ago. Or does it have the total opposite effect and highlight how badly reinforcements are needed due to all the injuries?

Options?



Gareth, yes I think so. Tan watched three games and three of our worst of the season.
Tan was already only given us peanuts compared to other clubs spending, now it will be rice.


The amounts spent never bothers me, we have already seen what can be done. I just hope it doesn't effect what Warnock wants. For example if players identified comes to a certain amount is now out of the question.

Question for you : take the football fan hat off, would you be more likely to put your hand in your pocket a month ago than now if you were the owner?




Gareth, Sone straight talking honesty from me as usual the simple as is Yes.

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:04 am

Unfortunately it is not about how much we spend but the desire for players to want to come to a table sliding side.
We would have looked a good option for quality players looking to get into a promotion side but those players will now be looking at the performances and thinking they would rather chose Bristol city or derby than us. We may want certain players but if they see us as an always almost there but never make it side they will go somewhere else.
And that is how it will look at present!

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:07 am

2blue2handle wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Stringfellow wrote:Do you think the four defeats and dropping two points away from automatic positions instead of maybe being 6 points clear in second will effect the purse strings released in a January?

Ultimately it comes down to trust, but if I take my football fan hat off and put my business one on just for a minute I would feel a lot more comfortable spending and gambling that money a month ago. Or does it have the total opposite effect and highlight how badly reinforcements are needed due to all the injuries?

Options?



Gareth, yes I think so. Tan watched three games and three of our worst of the season.
Tan was already only given us peanuts compared to other clubs spending, now it will be rice.


We may not have spent much out but let's not pretend Warnock hasn't been well backs, new contracts for the likes of Manga. Turning down big offers for Morrison and Zohore. I'm sure if Warnock wanted he could have sold them both and had about 10m to spend from sales.

To answer the original question I don't think so, I don't think we were every spending much in Jan.




I don’t agree Luke that Warnock has been backed well, in Warnocks own words after moving places in and out”My total spend was £1.5mill”

That’s peanuts compared to other Championshio clubs challenging.

Now we will see if Warnock gets back, but now if I was Tan, I would be wary after the last 4 games.

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:58 am

Forever Blue wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Stringfellow wrote:Do you think the four defeats and dropping two points away from automatic positions instead of maybe being 6 points clear in second will effect the purse strings released in a January?

Ultimately it comes down to trust, but if I take my football fan hat off and put my business one on just for a minute I would feel a lot more comfortable spending and gambling that money a month ago. Or does it have the total opposite effect and highlight how badly reinforcements are needed due to all the injuries?

Options?



Gareth, yes I think so. Tan watched three games and three of our worst of the season.
Tan was already only given us peanuts compared to other clubs spending, now it will be rice.


We may not have spent much out but let's not pretend Warnock hasn't been well backs, new contracts for the likes of Manga. Turning down big offers for Morrison and Zohore. I'm sure if Warnock wanted he could have sold them both and had about 10m to spend from sales.

To answer the original question I don't think so, I don't think we were every spending much in Jan.




I don’t agree Luke that Warnock has been backed well, in Warnocks own words after moving places in and out”My total spend was £1.5mill”

That’s peanuts compared to other Championshio clubs challenging.

Now we will see if Warnock gets back, but now if I was Tan, I would be wary after the last 4 games.


No doubt it is but I also think he plays on that to try and take the pressure off him and the team.

Put it this way Annis if we sold Zohore and Morrison for the reported 15m and 5m that were offered and Warnock was given 20m to spend would that have been classed as backing him? I think everyone would agree that is classed as backing him and it amounts to the same thing.

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:23 am

Do the defeats AFFECT our spending.

And for what it’s worth, I don’t think it will make any difference

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:43 am

Forever Blue wrote:
Stringfellow wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Stringfellow wrote:Do you think the four defeats and dropping two points away from automatic positions instead of maybe being 6 points clear in second will effect the purse strings released in a January?

Ultimately it comes down to trust, but if I take my football fan hat off and put my business one on just for a minute I would feel a lot more comfortable spending and gambling that money a month ago. Or does it have the total opposite effect and highlight how badly reinforcements are needed due to all the injuries?

Options?



Gareth, yes I think so. Tan watched three games and three of our worst of the season.
Tan was already only given us peanuts compared to other clubs spending, now it will be rice.


The amounts spent never bothers me, we have already seen what can be done. I just hope it doesn't effect what Warnock wants. For example if players identified comes to a certain amount is now out of the question.

Question for you : take the football fan hat off, would you be more likely to put your hand in your pocket a month ago than now if you were the owner?




Gareth, Sone straight talking honesty from me as usual the simple as is Yes.


Same here, so we can't blame tan if he doesn't throw money about. However as a football fan I hope he backs Warnock to the hilt, can't see it. I think the last four games have damaged it, hope am wrong. :thumbup:

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:13 pm

If he does not back Warnock , expect us to be looking for a new manager come the summer.

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:52 pm

Perhaps there was one budget for if we were in the automatic promotion places at the start of January and a different budget if we were not?

Maybe that's why the players who were apparently all lined up and ready to come in at the start of the month have so far failed to appear.

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:12 pm

Whilst you can understand Tans reluctance, i think Warnock will feel disheartened if he isnt backed from such a challenging position.

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:31 pm

AJ1927 wrote:Whilst you can understand Tans reluctance, i think Warnock will feel disheartened if he isnt backed from such a challenging position.


True enough, let's wait and see what happens remembering it's not about the dollar spent but getting the players Warnock wants
:thumbup:

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:36 pm

davids wrote:Perhaps there was one budget for if we were in the automatic promotion places at the start of January and a different budget if we were not?

Maybe that's why the players who were apparently all lined up and ready to come in at the start of the month have so far failed to appear.

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Is 1 point going to. Make that much of a difference? :o

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:55 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
davids wrote:Perhaps there was one budget for if we were in the automatic promotion places at the start of January and a different budget if we were not?

Maybe that's why the players who were apparently all lined up and ready to come in at the start of the month have so far failed to appear.

:


Is 1 point going to. Make that much of a difference? :o


You'd hope not wouldn't you but we don't really know.

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:05 pm

davids wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
davids wrote:Perhaps there was one budget for if we were in the automatic promotion places at the start of January and a different budget if we were not?

Maybe that's why the players who were apparently all lined up and ready to come in at the start of the month have so far failed to appear.

:


Is 1 point going to. Make that much of a difference? :o


You'd hope not wouldn't you but we don't really know.



Nothing surprises anymore! But more to point as club/tan changed mind about recruitment? as NW as said contradiction things regarding players in and was supposed to have 2 players done except signatures! Where are they ? :old:

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:26 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
davids wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
davids wrote:Perhaps there was one budget for if we were in the automatic promotion places at the start of January and a different budget if we were not?

Maybe that's why the players who were apparently all lined up and ready to come in at the start of the month have so far failed to appear.

:


Is 1 point going to. Make that much of a difference? :o


You'd hope not wouldn't you but we don't really know.



Nothing surprises anymore! But more to point as club/tan changed mind about recruitment? as NW as said contradiction things regarding players in and was supposed to have 2 players done except signatures! Where are they ? :old:


Did Warnock actually say that or just read it on here :shock:

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:41 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
davids wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
davids wrote:Perhaps there was one budget for if we were in the automatic promotion places at the start of January and a different budget if we were not?

Maybe that's why the players who were apparently all lined up and ready to come in at the start of the month have so far failed to appear.

:


Is 1 point going to. Make that much of a difference? :o


You'd hope not wouldn't you but we don't really know.



Nothing surprises anymore! But more to point as club/tan changed mind about recruitment? as NW as said contradiction things regarding players in and was supposed to have 2 players done except signatures! Where are they ? :old:


Did Warnock actually say that or just read it on here :shock:



No he actually said it! don't remember word for word but it was clearly stated on here attributed to NW that just signatures needed on 2 players couple days later on radio he's not sure when coming but not before cup, obviously more was said but didnt write it down :thumbup:

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:29 pm

Fair enough, only seen it on here that 2 were signed ready.

Every quote I seen from Warnock was more along the lines of he is trying to get something sorted.

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:49 pm

2blue2handle wrote:Fair enough, only seen it on here that 2 were signed ready.

Every quote I seen from Warnock was more along the lines of he is trying to get something sorted.



Think it was more to do with change of stance regarding players coming in that I noticed ? From they're signing to trying to get players in, But plenty of time hopefully get couple in. :bluescarf:

Re: Do the defeats effect our spending?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:16 pm

I think Warnock has done enough to impress Tan to give him as much as he can, while working within a sensible budget and showing consideration for financial fair play.

If anything the drop in points will force Tan to his very best, it's in his interest to both go for promotion and keep Warnock happy and here next year to give it another go if we miss out.

I think they will be planning for the future and building a squad to complete the promtion either this season, if not give it a good go next season.

Slow start to the window, but I think we will get some significant improvements in the squad before it ends.