“Imagine being a Small Club & Still taking 7,000 Fans Away"

I mean No Disrepect at all when I call them a Small Club, but them Pompey/Plymouth/Bradford/Bristol Rovers etc have Always kept a United front/Passion/Identity/Pride & Respect, plus Clubs like Lincoln/Grimsby etc So they can pull big away supports when they want.
Cardiff did away at Chelsea /Arsenal Cup matches 6,000 fans Away at Wrexham /Scunthorpe 5,000 etc All before 2011.

I do not believe we could now and its sadly been proven we can't.

“ Imagine being a Small Club & Still taking 7,000 Fans Away

Dave Fielder:

LUTON FAN (League 2 / Div 4 )

Years in the Non Leagues

Was down the ticket office about 11.30am - they said was only about 350 tickets remaining for Newcastle out of the extra 1,000 given-selling very fast ,shame we haven't got even more. Still 7,000 Hatters should be superb.

FA Cup 3rd Rd

How does Little Luton Town manage such great away Support?

The Usual Suspects keeps saying the only clubs that do it are the Massive/Big Name Clubs and thats why Cardiff can't take big away support or get big home support?


Luton regularly take 1,000 plus Away Fans No matter what time/weather/distance/live on tv/traffic/holidays/Xmas/No Transport etc etc


Boxing Day.

Luton Town FC
1,408 Hatters away at the County Ground today. Amazing. Absolutely amazing. Have a safe trip home

Luton Town in league 2(div 4) away at Swindon Town

This was the other day/ Now Luton have Sold Nearly 7,000 tickets & will Sell 7,000 Away Tickets

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Think someone should ask those fans why they take thousands away while we take hundreds maybe we'll get answer to the question of our low away support? But I wonder Do they compare themselves to us like we compare ourselves to them? To me all fans are different and comparing fans is bit like comparing chalk and cheese?

Think someone should ask those fans why they take thousands away while we take hundreds maybe we'll get answer to the question of our low away support? But I wonder Do they compare themselves to us like we compare ourselves to them? To me all fans are different and comparing fans is bit like comparing chalk and cheese?

Yes I know this Luton fan well, I know many from Rovers,Pompey,Plymouth & Bradford, they all use to look up to our great away fan base and respect us so much years ago.

I have spoken to them all



Allan,

The answer is simple, they never let themselves ever be ripped apart by a Rebrand.

They went right down to the bottom and stuck together through all the bad times and it made their clubs stronger & more passionate.

Why make comparisons, we are what we are.

This issue only annoys those who think we are bigger than we REALLY are and cannot handle the smaller size of our club.

But is you want to talk analysis of support...... every team has its limits both high and low. Our away support has dropped but will plateau HOWEVER low in the league's we go. This is why club's like Pompey and Luton seem to have high away support compared to their lowly positions.

You are also talking about club's taking large support to cup games against large teams. You will always get a massive uptake for such games.

Why make comparisons, we are what we are.

This issue only annoys those who think we are bigger than we REALLY are and cannot handle the smaller size of our club.

But is you want to talk analysis of support...... every team has its limits both high and low. Our away support has dropped but will plateau HOWEVER low in the league's we go. This is why club's like Pompey and Luton seem to have high away support compared to their lowly positions.

You are also talking about club's taking large support to cup games against large teams. You will always get a massive uptake for such games.

Because on another Topic, the usual suspects are saying clubs that have been at the top all these years are why their support is bigger/better than ours and I am showing its not just the big clubs.


I am also talking about Luton taking 1,500 away in their league.


Ok if we draw a Premier Club away in round 4 of the FACUP and receive 6,000 tickets will we sell them, honestly?

I am proving a point we lost a lot of our away support through the Rebrand as clubs above/below us etc now take more away.

Certain people on here won't except it, until its proven beyond doubt,the Rebrand virtually killed our once proud club of its loyal/diehards


PLUS I LOVE SEEING CLUBS LIKE LITTLE LUTON TAKING 7,000 AWAY FANS / IT SHOWS THE PASSION FOOTBALL IS DEF NOT DEAD :thumb right:




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Apples and oranges, for me growing up the gunners away, Man City home, Wembley, Liverpool away and even quite recently Chelsea away it's a dream come true. Fast forward all the years, a club who could only dream of playing in them games has now been done and in the championship we have had some big clubs. It's not a dream and is quite a regular thing, the appeal is not the same as it would be for a Grimsby etc.

I see all the decent away followings and respect them, one questions what is the average away support these teams take? Come season end.

I will be honest, not many away games excite me these days. Even goodison park was a total let down. Old Trafford is the only one that would excite me and the jacks is always a pull.

Apples and oranges, for me growing up the gunners away, Man City home, Wembley, Liverpool away and even quite recently Chelsea away it's a dream come true. Fast forward all the years, a club who could only dream of playing in them games has now been done and in the championship we have had some big clubs. It's not a dream and is quite a regular thing, the appeal is not the same as it would be for a Grimsby etc.

I see all the decent away followings and respect them, one questions what is the average away support these teams take? Come season end.

I will be honest, not many away games excite me these days. Even goodison park was a total let down. Old Trafford is the only one that would excite me and the jacks is always a pull.

Have to agree with all this for a club like Luton taking 7000 away that’s great support and I respect that, but how often will they get the chance to play against big teams this is a cup final for them.

I don't understand that whenever there are debates on this forum as to why our support is so small why it's never brought up that it might have something to do with the amount of Welsh/home grown talent in the team at the moment.

If you think of the cult players in the team at the moment it's Sol Bamba, Ken Zohore, Bruno and Hoilett. Most of these players have only really gained cult status in the last year too, meaning that the excitement about them has only just began to reach the non diehards. It's hard to gain excitable supporters when they feel they can barely relate to the players.

I remember the excitement that came to the club when Bellamy signed. It was certainly the most excited I have been supporting the Bluebirds. Even the Premier League and promotion wasn't as exciting and that wasn't just rebrand based.

Apples and oranges, for me growing up the gunners away, Man City home, Wembley, Liverpool away and even quite recently Chelsea away it's a dream come true. Fast forward all the years, a club who could only dream of playing in them games has now been done and in the championship we have had some big clubs. It's not a dream and is quite a regular thing, the appeal is not the same as it would be for a Grimsby etc.

I see all the decent away followings and respect them, one questions what is the average away support these teams take? Come season end.

I will be honest, not many away games excite me these days. Even goodison park was a total let down. Old Trafford is the only one that would excite me and the jacks is always a pull.

Answering your question

Gareth, their average away support so far for this season in League 2(Div 4) is approx 1,300.

Our is just over 1,400, Championship.

Come the end of last season ours was 780, Lutons was 1,300 approx.

Gareth you asked the question

Ours is

I don't understand that whenever there are debates on this forum as to why our support is so small why it's never brought up that it might have something to do with the amount of Welsh/home grown talent in the team at the moment.

If you think of the cult players in the team at the moment it's Sol Bamba, Ken Zohore, Bruno and Hoilett. Most of these players have only really gained cult status in the last year too, meaning that the excitement about them has only just began to reach the non diehards. It's hard to gain excitable supporters when they feel they can barely relate to the players.

I remember the excitement that came to the club when Bellamy signed. It was certainly the most excited I have been supporting the Bluebirds. Even the Premier League and promotion wasn't as exciting and that wasn't just rebrand based.

I have always said having local players helps big time and gives that little bit extra as fans feel closer to their club and feel more when they see their local players on the pitch out there.

Interesting question, the current regime have been in total control for nearly 8 years and said they were putting money i to our academy and cared out it, which I did not believe at the time.

How many local players in the last 8 years have made it from our academy?

So are all the extra Luton fans going to Newcastle just a bunch of plastics/glory hunters and not their die-hard fans?

So are all the extra Luton fans going to Newcastle just a bunch of plastics/glory hunters and not their die-hard fans?

They average 8,500 fans at home, their capacity is only 10,000 including away fans.

Apples and oranges, for me growing up the gunners away, Man City home, Wembley, Liverpool away and even quite recently Chelsea away it's a dream come true. Fast forward all the years, a club who could only dream of playing in them games has now been done and in the championship we have had some big clubs. It's not a dream and is quite a regular thing, the appeal is not the same as it would be for a Grimsby etc.

I see all the decent away followings and respect them, one questions what is the average away support these teams take? Come season end.

I will be honest, not many away games excite me these days. Even goodison park was a total let down. Old Trafford is the only one that would excite me and the jacks is always a pull.

Answering your question

Gareth, their average away support so far for this season in League 2(Div 4) is approx 1,300.

Our is just over 1,400, Championship.

Come the end of last season ours was 780, Lutons was 1,300 approx.

Gareth you asked the question

Ours is

Then we are massively up on last year despite reading and Brum being on sky at non sociable times, hats off to Luton.

So are all the extra Luton fans going to Newcastle just a bunch of plastics/glory hunters and not their die-hard fans?

Hate that term, everybody is different. You have suppprters like myself who do 80% of home games and 5 or 6 away, you get the guys who don't miss a home game never go away, ones who do them all and ones who dip in and out. They are all supporters of Cardiff city. Some have work commitments and young children, things change through your life but wherever you are in the world or however many games you attend no doubt the majority are bluebirds.

So are all the extra Luton fans going to Newcastle just a bunch of plastics/glory hunters and not their die-hard fans?

They average 8,500 fans at home, their capacity is only 10,000 including away fans.

Didn't know that. Fair play that's excellent

Apples and oranges, for me growing up the gunners away, Man City home, Wembley, Liverpool away and even quite recently Chelsea away it's a dream come true. Fast forward all the years, a club who could only dream of playing in them games has now been done and in the championship we have had some big clubs. It's not a dream and is quite a regular thing, the appeal is not the same as it would be for a Grimsby etc.

I see all the decent away followings and respect them, one questions what is the average away support these teams take? Come season end.

I will be honest, not many away games excite me these days. Even goodison park was a total let down. Old Trafford is the only one that would excite me and the jacks is always a pull.

Answering your question

Gareth, their average away support so far for this season in League 2(Div 4) is approx 1,300.

Our is just over 1,400, Championship.

Come the end of last season ours was 780, Lutons was 1,300 approx.

Gareth you asked the question

Ours is

Then we are massively up on last year despite reading and Brum being on sky at non sociable times, hats off to Luton.

Gareth and I hope it continues to increase as it really was dire,3rd worst in the Championship.

Rem We have been Top 2 of the Championship nearly for 5 months and still only 14th best away support,we've got a long way to go, hopefully QPR away on New Years Day will increase our away support dramatically

So are all the extra Luton fans going to Newcastle just a bunch of plastics/glory hunters and not their die-hard fans?

They average 8,500 fans at home, their capacity is only 10,000 including away fans.

Didn't know that. Fair play that's excellent

Gaynor, you know me with crowds, I'm obsessed with them

I don't understand that whenever there are debates on this forum as to why our support is so small why it's never brought up that it might have something to do with the amount of Welsh/home grown talent in the team at the moment.

If you think of the cult players in the team at the moment it's Sol Bamba, Ken Zohore, Bruno and Hoilett. Most of these players have only really gained cult status in the last year too, meaning that the excitement about them has only just began to reach the non diehards. It's hard to gain excitable supporters when they feel they can barely relate to the players.

I remember the excitement that came to the club when Bellamy signed. It was certainly the most excited I have been supporting the Bluebirds. Even the Premier League and promotion wasn't as exciting and that wasn't just rebrand based.

I have always said having local players helps big time and gives that little bit extra as fans feel closer to their club and feel more when they see their local players on the pitch out there.

Interesting question, the current regime have been in total control for nearly 8 years and said they were putting money i to our academy and cared out it, which I did not believe at the time.

How many local players in the last 8 years have made it from our academy?

Off the top of my head - Adam Matthews, Joe Ledley, Darcy Blake, Declan John - players that came straight out of our academy. We have players who we signed young and bedded them in, like Kadeem and Rhys Healey, but it's been 4 years since we've had a player playing regular first team football from the academy.

My dad, who although being a Cardiff fan is primarily Wales, doesn't pay much interest to the games at all anymore because of this reason. You can guarantee that if there were more local players in the team he would be paying attention. I would imagine he isn't the only one in the same position.

I don't understand that whenever there are debates on this forum as to why our support is so small why it's never brought up that it might have something to do with the amount of Welsh/home grown talent in the team at the moment.

If you think of the cult players in the team at the moment it's Sol Bamba, Ken Zohore, Bruno and Hoilett. Most of these players have only really gained cult status in the last year too, meaning that the excitement about them has only just began to reach the non diehards. It's hard to gain excitable supporters when they feel they can barely relate to the players.

I remember the excitement that came to the club when Bellamy signed. It was certainly the most excited I have been supporting the Bluebirds. Even the Premier League and promotion wasn't as exciting and that wasn't just rebrand based.

I have always said having local players helps big time and gives that little bit extra as fans feel closer to their club and feel more when they see their local players on the pitch out there.

Interesting question, the current regime have been in total control for nearly 8 years and said they were putting money i to our academy and cared out it, which I did not believe at the time.

How many local players in the last 8 years have made it from our academy?

Off the top of my head - Adam Matthews, Joe Ledley, Darcy Blake, Declan John - players that came straight out of our academy. We have players who we signed young and bedded them in, like Kadeem and Rhys Healey, but it's been 4 years since we've had a player playing regular first team football from the academy.

My dad, who although being a Cardiff fan is primarily Wales, doesn't pay much interest to the games at all anymore because of this reason. You can guarantee that if there were more local players in the team he would be paying attention. I would imagine he isn't the only one in the same position.

im afraid Declan John is the only accademy player out of the 4 you name who made his 1st team debut while the current regime have been in charge..or within 8 years....
having said that the only period we produced 1st team players in any numbers was the early 2000s.
even our 1927 FA cup winning team only had 3 welshmen

I don't understand that whenever there are debates on this forum as to why our support is so small why it's never brought up that it might have something to do with the amount of Welsh/home grown talent in the team at the moment.

If you think of the cult players in the team at the moment it's Sol Bamba, Ken Zohore, Bruno and Hoilett. Most of these players have only really gained cult status in the last year too, meaning that the excitement about them has only just began to reach the non diehards. It's hard to gain excitable supporters when they feel they can barely relate to the players.

I remember the excitement that came to the club when Bellamy signed. It was certainly the most excited I have been supporting the Bluebirds. Even the Premier League and promotion wasn't as exciting and that wasn't just rebrand based.

I have always said having local players helps big time and gives that little bit extra as fans feel closer to their club and feel more when they see their local players on the pitch out there.

Interesting question, the current regime have been in total control for nearly 8 years and said they were putting money i to our academy and cared out it, which I did not believe at the time.

How many local players in the last 8 years have made it from our academy?

Off the top of my head - Adam Matthews, Joe Ledley, Darcy Blake, Declan John - players that came straight out of our academy. We have players who we signed young and bedded them in, like Kadeem and Rhys Healey, but it's been 4 years since we've had a player playing regular first team football from the academy.

My dad, who although being a Cardiff fan is primarily Wales, doesn't pay much interest to the games at all anymore because of this reason. You can guarantee that if there were more local players in the team he would be paying attention. I would imagine he isn't the only one in the same position.

im afraid Declan John is the only accademy player out of the 4 you name who made his 1st team debut while the current regime have been in charge..or within 8 years....
having said that the only period we produced 1st team players in any numbers was the early 2000s.
even our 1927 FA cup winning team only had 3 welshmen

Don't worry, I did realise that! Just saying which players who had come through the academy were playing during that period. It is incredibly worrying that in the last 8 years we've only had one first teamer come through the academy.

I don't understand that whenever there are debates on this forum as to why our support is so small why it's never brought up that it might have something to do with the amount of Welsh/home grown talent in the team at the moment.

If you think of the cult players in the team at the moment it's Sol Bamba, Ken Zohore, Bruno and Hoilett. Most of these players have only really gained cult status in the last year too, meaning that the excitement about them has only just began to reach the non diehards. It's hard to gain excitable supporters when they feel they can barely relate to the players.

I remember the excitement that came to the club when Bellamy signed. It was certainly the most excited I have been supporting the Bluebirds. Even the Premier League and promotion wasn't as exciting and that wasn't just rebrand based.

I have always said having local players helps big time and gives that little bit extra as fans feel closer to their club and feel more when they see their local players on the pitch out there.

Interesting question, the current regime have been in total control for nearly 8 years and said they were putting money i to our academy and cared out it, which I did not believe at the time.

How many local players in the last 8 years have made it from our academy?

Off the top of my head - Adam Matthews, Joe Ledley, Darcy Blake, Declan John - players that came straight out of our academy. We have players who we signed young and bedded them in, like Kadeem and Rhys Healey, but it's been 4 years since we've had a player playing regular first team football from the academy.

My dad, who although being a Cardiff fan is primarily Wales, doesn't pay much interest to the games at all anymore because of this reason. You can guarantee that if there were more local players in the team he would be paying attention. I would imagine he isn't the only one in the same position.

im afraid Declan John is the only accademy player out of the 4 you name who made his 1st team debut while the current regime have been in charge..or within 8 years....
having said that the only period we produced 1st team players in any numbers was the early 2000s.
even our 1927 FA cup winning team only had 3 welshmen

Don't worry, I did realise that! Just saying which players who had come through the academy were playing during that period. It is incredibly worrying that in the last 8 years we've only had one first teamer come through the academy.

i do agree....and tbh i honestly see little point in spending the millions we have on the accademy in its current form..what young players that have progressed are the 2 you name {Kadeem and Rhys } and Joe Ralls none of whom came through the ranks but were brought in as DVP players...and only last week NW was saying they were looking for as many as 6 for the DVP side.says little for whats comming through the age groups..?

I don't understand that whenever there are debates on this forum as to why our support is so small why it's never brought up that it might have something to do with the amount of Welsh/home grown talent in the team at the moment.

If you think of the cult players in the team at the moment it's Sol Bamba, Ken Zohore, Bruno and Hoilett. Most of these players have only really gained cult status in the last year too, meaning that the excitement about them has only just began to reach the non diehards. It's hard to gain excitable supporters when they feel they can barely relate to the players.

I remember the excitement that came to the club when Bellamy signed. It was certainly the most excited I have been supporting the Bluebirds. Even the Premier League and promotion wasn't as exciting and that wasn't just rebrand based.

I have always said having local players helps big time and gives that little bit extra as fans feel closer to their club and feel more when they see their local players on the pitch out there.

Interesting question, the current regime have been in total control for nearly 8 years and said they were putting money i to our academy and cared out it, which I did not believe at the time.

How many local players in the last 8 years have made it from our academy?

Off the top of my head - Adam Matthews, Joe Ledley, Darcy Blake, Declan John - players that came straight out of our academy. We have players who we signed young and bedded them in, like Kadeem and Rhys Healey, but it's been 4 years since we've had a player playing regular first team football from the academy.

My dad, who although being a Cardiff fan is primarily Wales, doesn't pay much interest to the games at all anymore because of this reason. You can guarantee that if there were more local players in the team he would be paying attention. I would imagine he isn't the only one in the same position.

Interesting.

Its been an awful 8 years of players coming through,nothing has been done about our future?

So are all the extra Luton fans going to Newcastle just a bunch of plastics/glory hunters and not their die-hard fans?

Hate that term, everybody is different. You have suppprters like myself who do 80% of home games and 5 or 6 away, you get the guys who don't miss a home game never go away, ones who do them all and ones who dip in and out. They are all supporters of Cardiff city. Some have work commitments and young children, things change through your life but wherever you are in the world or however many games you attend no doubt the majority are bluebirds.

i think the remark was made tongue in cheek..because on here this weeks die hard is next weeks glory hunter and vice versa..
as for Luton no doubt to some degree all travelling feel they are Luton fans. but they dont take 7k away every other week. doesnt make them die hards or glory hunters..

That's basically Luton taking their entire home support 400 mile round trip up the A1!
Superb effort really to say they were in The National League a few seasons back.

So are all the extra Luton fans going to Newcastle just a bunch of plastics/glory hunters and not their die-hard fans?

Hate that term, everybody is different. You have suppprters like myself who do 80% of home games and 5 or 6 away, you get the guys who don't miss a home game never go away, ones who do them all and ones who dip in and out. They are all supporters of Cardiff city. Some have work commitments and young children, things change through your life but wherever you are in the world or however many games you attend no doubt the majority are bluebirds.

i think the remark was made tongue in cheek..because on here this weeks die hard is next weeks glory hunter and vice versa..
as for Luton no doubt to some degree all travelling feel they are Luton fans. but they dont take 7k away every other week. doesnt make them die hards or glory hunters..

Tongue in cheek it was .

Some of the smaller clubs have a lot more passion and dwarf our away support. We use to take thousands to certain games, in the lower league we would take more away than we would get at home. We are not a big club, never have been really, but I thought we have always been at least a mid size club, but looking at where we are in the league and size of the City our home and away crowds are that of a small to aspiring mid size football club

Some of the smaller clubs have a lot more passion and dwarf our away support. We use to take thousands to certain games, in the lower league we would take more away than we would get at home. We are not a big club, never have been really, but I thought we have always been at least a mid size club, but looking at where we are in the league and size of the City our home and away crowds are that of a small to aspiring mid size football club

Simon, so very true and sad to read the truth.