" Never a penalty "

" NEVER A PENALTY "

We were awful compared to our usual standards today, but we were so comfortable until the ref gifted them their penalty. It looked like Bamba was pushed which was the reason his hands went up in the air, but you can’t give a penalty for heading the ball against the back of an arm when Bamba was only a yard away. We seemed to fall apart from then, largely due to the frustration of every decision from the abysmal referee going against us all game, but that was not a performance of a promotion chasing team.

Good to see Zohore back, although he did nothing apart from win a few flick ons when he came on. Looks like he will need a run of games to get firing again. We desperately miss Bryson and Gunnarsson. Today, all our injuries caught up with us and Bolton did a job on us by kicking us off the park with no protection from the referee. This is what to expect when playing against teams towards the bottom fighting for their lives. Today was Bolton’s cup final. Time to bring in a couple of experienced, battle hardened leaders to handle games like today and keep our momentum going please Mr Warnock.

" NEVER A PENALTY "

We were awful compared to our usual standards today, but we were so comfortable until the ref gifted them their penalty. It looked like Bamba was pushed which was the reason his hands went up in the air, but you can’t give a penalty for heading the ball against the back of an arm when Bamba was only a yard away. We seemed to fall apart from then, largely due to the frustration of every decision from the abysmal referee going against us all game, but that was not a performance of a promotion chasing team.

Good to see Zohore back, although he did nothing apart from win a few flick ons when he came on. Looks like he will need a run of games to get firing again. We desperately miss Bryson and Gunnarsson. Today, all our injuries caught up with us and Bolton did a job on us by kicking us off the park with no protection from the referee. This is what to expect when playing against teams towards the bottom fighting for their lives. Today was Bolton’s cup final. Time to bring in a couple of experienced, battle hardened leaders to handle games like today and keep our momentum going please Mr Warnock.

Was wondering how long it would take before the ref was blamed again. Very predictable, and tends to be the same posters whenever we fail to win.

" NEVER A PENALTY "

We were awful compared to our usual standards today, but we were so comfortable until the ref gifted them their penalty. It looked like Bamba was pushed which was the reason his hands went up in the air, but you can’t give a penalty for heading the ball against the back of an arm when Bamba was only a yard away. We seemed to fall apart from then, largely due to the frustration of every decision from the abysmal referee going against us all game, but that was not a performance of a promotion chasing team.

Good to see Zohore back, although he did nothing apart from win a few flick ons when he came on. Looks like he will need a run of games to get firing again. We desperately miss Bryson and Gunnarsson. Today, all our injuries caught up with us and Bolton did a job on us by kicking us off the park with no protection from the referee. This is what to expect when playing against teams towards the bottom fighting for their lives. Today was Bolton’s cup final. Time to bring in a couple of experienced, battle hardened leaders to handle games like today and keep our momentum going please Mr Warnock.

Was wondering how long it would take before the ref was blamed again. Very predictable, and tends to be the same posters whenever we fail to win.

Did you go today?

Spot on there mate, we go on about other fans doing it but some of ours are just as bad. The ref was pretty good and we had some luck in keepin 11 men on the pitch. A proper British football match. Comfortable but couldnt score in a brothel.

" NEVER A PENALTY "

We were awful compared to our usual standards today, but we were so comfortable until the ref gifted them their penalty. It looked like Bamba was pushed which was the reason his hands went up in the air, but you can’t give a penalty for heading the ball against the back of an arm when Bamba was only a yard away. We seemed to fall apart from then, largely due to the frustration of every decision from the abysmal referee going against us all game, but that was not a performance of a promotion chasing team.

Good to see Zohore back, although he did nothing apart from win a few flick ons when he came on. Looks like he will need a run of games to get firing again. We desperately miss Bryson and Gunnarsson. Today, all our injuries caught up with us and Bolton did a job on us by kicking us off the park with no protection from the referee. This is what to expect when playing against teams towards the bottom fighting for their lives. Today was Bolton’s cup final. Time to bring in a couple of experienced, battle hardened leaders to handle games like today and keep our momentum going please Mr Warnock.

Was wondering how long it would take before the ref was blamed again. Very predictable, and tends to be the same posters whenever we fail to win.

" NEVER A PENALTY "

We were awful compared to our usual standards today, but we were so comfortable until the ref gifted them their penalty. It looked like Bamba was pushed which was the reason his hands went up in the air, but you can’t give a penalty for heading the ball against the back of an arm when Bamba was only a yard away. We seemed to fall apart from then, largely due to the frustration of every decision from the abysmal referee going against us all game, but that was not a performance of a promotion chasing team.

Good to see Zohore back, although he did nothing apart from win a few flick ons when he came on. Looks like he will need a run of games to get firing again. We desperately miss Bryson and Gunnarsson. Today, all our injuries caught up with us and Bolton did a job on us by kicking us off the park with no protection from the referee. This is what to expect when playing against teams towards the bottom fighting for their lives. Today was Bolton’s cup final. Time to bring in a couple of experienced, battle hardened leaders to handle games like today and keep our momentum going please Mr Warnock.

Was wondering how long it would take before the ref was blamed again. Very predictable, and tends to be the same posters whenever we fail to win.

Did you go today?

No, but I went to the last home game where there were no complaints about the ref allowing our offside goal. Whether or not it was offside is irrelevant, the ref allowed it to stand so it was a goal. We were well beaten today from the reports and comments from those who went. We can't blame the ref every time we lose, and turn a blind eye to decisions that go our way and help us win. Over 46 games we will finish wherever we do on merit, the same as the other 23 teams. I don't understand why there is always an excuse for dropped points. If we play poorly, the chances are we will lose. Hopefully next time will be better, and if the ref gives us a dodgy penalty nobody will come on here saying we won because of the ref.

Not blaming the ref as all reports seem to suggest we were second best, but having just seen the TV replay, it did look a very soft decision and there wasn't much Bamba could do as he was definitely pushed into the direction of the ball.

Wrong decision today but there have been so many poor refereeing performances this season in the Championship.

Some of those decisions we have benefited from and some , like today, have gone against us - that's the way it goes.

However, it does appear that the overall standard of refereeing in the Championship this season has been extremely poor including that Premier League ref we had for the Bristol City game.

I understand that it's a tough job, but the majority of refs we have had this season have been poor at best and incompetent at worst.

" NEVER A PENALTY "

We were awful compared to our usual standards today, but we were so comfortable until the ref gifted them their penalty. It looked like Bamba was pushed which was the reason his hands went up in the air, but you can’t give a penalty for heading the ball against the back of an arm when Bamba was only a yard away. We seemed to fall apart from then, largely due to the frustration of every decision from the abysmal referee going against us all game, but that was not a performance of a promotion chasing team.

Good to see Zohore back, although he did nothing apart from win a few flick ons when he came on. Looks like he will need a run of games to get firing again. We desperately miss Bryson and Gunnarsson. Today, all our injuries caught up with us and Bolton did a job on us by kicking us off the park with no protection from the referee. This is what to expect when playing against teams towards the bottom fighting for their lives. Today was Bolton’s cup final. Time to bring in a couple of experienced, battle hardened leaders to handle games like today and keep our momentum going please Mr Warnock.

Was wondering how long it would take before the ref was blamed again. Very predictable, and tends to be the same posters whenever we fail to win.

Did you go today?

No, but I went to the last home game where there were no complaints about the ref allowing our offside goal. Whether or not it was offside is irrelevant, the ref allowed it to stand so it was a goal. We were well beaten today from the reports and comments from those who went. We can't blame the ref every time we lose, and turn a blind eye to decisions that go our way and help us win. Over 46 games we will finish wherever we do on merit, the same as the other 23 teams. I don't understand why there is always an excuse for dropped points. If we play poorly, the chances are we will lose. Hopefully next time will be better, and if the ref gives us a dodgy penalty nobody will come on here saying we won because of the ref.

If you went today, you would have seen Karl Henry and in particular, Darren Pratley getting away with murder. When Pratley finally got booked, he should have already been booked another twice before then, and that was still in the first half. It was an incredibly weak performance from a referee who allowed Bolton to continually put in some horrendous tackles which could have severely injured some of our players. He really couldn't wait to give Bolton their penalty and when you watch the penalty yourself, you will see it was a very harsh decision.

Regarding our "offside" goal from Bamba the last home game, it could have gone either way, but only Bamba's arm was DEFINITELY in an offside position and as you can't score with your arm, that doesn't count. Even ex Wolves player Michael Gray (who you would currently expect to be against us) on the "Football on 5" programme said he was pleased the goal was given.

I can't comment on our disallowed offside goal yet, I will need to see that again, but I kept looking and looking at the linesman, the flag stayed down so I started celebrating, then the flag suddenly went up a good 20-30 seconds after the ball went in. I'm still bemused why the flag took so long to go up, but that was the officials today for you.

The referee was 5 yards away from some of Bolton's aggressive tackles/fouls in the second half and on several occasions, looked at the linesman down the other end of the pitch for help before giving a decision. If the referee can't give his own decision when he's 5 yards away and has to keep looking to the linesman who's much worse placed to give the decisions for him, then he clearly isn't up to refereeing this standard of football. On one occasion, the ref looked to the linesman who was unsure who's throw it was. It was clearly our throw and as Hoilett ran up to gather the ball to take the throw in, the officials allowed us to play on, despite not making any decision.

Obviously, you wouldn't have seen all this, because you wasn't at the game; but I think those who were at the game will agree the referee was very poor and was no help to us at all. But like I said, we wasn't good enough today, we won't pick up many points playing the way we did today and we will need to improve.

" NEVER A PENALTY "

We were awful compared to our usual standards today, but we were so comfortable until the ref gifted them their penalty. It looked like Bamba was pushed which was the reason his hands went up in the air, but you can’t give a penalty for heading the ball against the back of an arm when Bamba was only a yard away. We seemed to fall apart from then, largely due to the frustration of every decision from the abysmal referee going against us all game, but that was not a performance of a promotion chasing team.

Good to see Zohore back, although he did nothing apart from win a few flick ons when he came on. Looks like he will need a run of games to get firing again. We desperately miss Bryson and Gunnarsson. Today, all our injuries caught up with us and Bolton did a job on us by kicking us off the park with no protection from the referee. This is what to expect when playing against teams towards the bottom fighting for their lives. Today was Bolton’s cup final. Time to bring in a couple of experienced, battle hardened leaders to handle games like today and keep our momentum going please Mr Warnock.

Was wondering how long it would take before the ref was blamed again. Very predictable, and tends to be the same posters whenever we fail to win.

Did you go today?

No, but I went to the last home game where there were no complaints about the ref allowing our offside goal. Whether or not it was offside is irrelevant, the ref allowed it to stand so it was a goal. We were well beaten today from the reports and comments from those who went. We can't blame the ref every time we lose, and turn a blind eye to decisions that go our way and help us win. Over 46 games we will finish wherever we do on merit, the same as the other 23 teams. I don't understand why there is always an excuse for dropped points. If we play poorly, the chances are we will lose. Hopefully next time will be better, and if the ref gives us a dodgy penalty nobody will come on here saying we won because of the ref.

If you went today, you would have seen Karl Henry and in particular, Darren Pratley getting away with murder. When Pratley finally got booked, he should have already been booked another twice before then, and that was still in the first half. It was an incredibly weak performance from a referee who allowed Bolton to continually put in some horrendous tackles which could have severely injured some of our players. He really couldn't wait to give Bolton their penalty and when you watch the penalty yourself, you will see it was a very harsh decision.

Regarding our "offside" goal from Bamba the last home game, it could have gone either way, but only Bamba's arm was DEFINITELY in an offside position and as you can't score with your arm, that doesn't count. Even ex Wolves player Michael Gray (who you would currently expect to be against us) on the "Football on 5" programme said he was pleased the goal was given.

I can't comment on our disallowed offside goal yet, I will need to see that again, but I kept looking and looking at the linesman, the flag stayed down so I started celebrating, then the flag suddenly went up a good 20-30 seconds after the ball went in. I'm still bemused why the flag took so long to go up, but that was the officials today for you.

The referee was 5 yards away from some of Bolton's aggressive tackles/fouls in the second half and on several occasions, looked at the linesman down the other end of the pitch for help before giving a decision. If the referee can't give his own decision when he's 5 yards away and has to keep looking to the linesman who's much worse placed to give the decisions for him, then he clearly isn't up to refereeing this standard of football. On one occasion, the ref looked to the linesman who was unsure who's throw it was. It was clearly our throw and as Hoilett ran up to gather the ball to take the throw in, the officials allowed us to play on, despite not making any decision.

Obviously, you wouldn't have seen all this, because you wasn't at the game; but I think those who were at the game will agree the referee was very poor and was no help to us at all. But like I said, we wasn't good enough today, we won't pick up many points playing the way we did today and we will need to improve.

I also looked at the linesman when we scored and you're right, he kept his flag down for a long time after the ball went into the goal.

Looking at the highlights the ref spends a fair amount of time after the goal speaking to Bamba and Hoilett and I think it was the ref who disallowed the goal and it was probably something to do with Hoilett having gone off the pitch after crossing the ball and coming back onto the pitch just before putting the ball into the net.

If you're off the pitch are you offside whilst play is going on and therefore when Junior came back on the itch he was coming back from an offside position?

Anyone know the rules about coming back onto the pitch in those circumstances?

We were simply not good enough today but that referee is the worst by a country mile I've EVER seen in professional or amateur football, surely his performance has to be analysed because there's having a terrible game to being biased and it was that bad I feel it was the latter, on to the next game now anyways

Wasn't at the game but I have watched the video of the penalty decision and for me that was a shocker. Just look at the criteria a referee must consider under Law 12 before giving a handball decision.

the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) Lets face it there was absolutely no movement of the hand to the ball it was clearly ball to hand.
the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball) 1 yard with Bamba looking in the opposite direction so clearly a completely unexpected incident.
the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence. Whilst his arm was raised it was only there because Bamba was moving backwards streching to head the ball and overbalanced, In the circumstances his arm was not in an unnatural position.

Goals change games and that decision certainly changed the game and Bolton picked us off. I think overall our injuries caught up with us yesterday, Halford starting - Really, but then again what options did NW have?

We need to add to the squad next month if we are to keep in the race for the playoffs, lets hope NW gets the midfielder and forward we need. In my opinion the lack of depth, given our injuries, in our squad and a poor day at the office for the referee caused the defeat yesterday.

It done so let's move on and hope NW gets us back on track in the 2 Home games we have this week.

Before the penalty we were comfortable and on top but we didn't really create much.

Let's be fair though, we haven't been convincing over the past 7 games yet have picked up 16 points, even with a stack of injuries.

Just need to make sure we bounce back on Tuesday.

We desperately need Bryson back against Fulham as they knock it around well and we will need to work very hard and keep our shape.

We also missed Morrison yesterday. He's the only one who's a real threat from set pieces and all the long throws yesterday were a waste of time without him.

As for the ref, well I wasn't impressed, but you've got to deal with it. Bolton were poor and if we genuinely want to go up we need to be putting sides like that to bed, not relying on key decisions going our way

Before the penalty we were comfortable and on top but we didn't really create much.

Let's be fair though, we haven't been convincing over the past 7 games yet have picked up 16 points, even with a stack of injuries.

Just need to make sure we bounce back on Tuesday.

We desperately need Bryson back against Fulham as they knock it around well and we will need to work very hard and keep our shape.

We also missed Morrison yesterday. He's the only one who's a real threat from set pieces and all the long throws yesterday were a waste of time without him.

As for the ref, well I wasn't impressed, but you've got to deal with it. Bolton were poor and if we genuinely want to go up we need to be putting sides like that to bed, not relying on key decisions going our way

We were simply not good enough today but that referee is the worst by a country mile I've EVER seen in professional or amateur football, surely his performance has to be analysed because there's having a terrible game to being biased and it was that bad I feel it was the latter, on to the next game now anyways

Are you sure he was the worst ref by a country mile? I thought that was the ref who was in charge when we played Reading. Here is one of stacks of comments made after that game.

"Bogle does a foul gets booked, their player does a worse one no booking their player climbing all over patterson gives the foul to them, linesman ball well out lets reading play on, ref gives a deinite goal kick to us gives them a corner, penalty to us, gives nothing this guy should never be reffing"

Similar to plenty of comments made after the Bristol game as well.
Whenever we drop points it almost looks like posters are copying and pasting the excuses from the previous time we dropped points. As I have said before, it is always the ref's fault and yet we take the piss out of Wolves fans for their excuses when they have a bad day. We are much worse on the excuse front than them, and it never seems to cross the minds of some fans that the reason we may have lost was because we played absolute crap football.

Just as well as nobody takes our advice about refs. If they sacked every ref we complain about there would'nt be enough left to officiate on an average weekend.

We were simply not good enough today but that referee is the worst by a country mile I've EVER seen in professional or amateur football, surely his performance has to be analysed because there's having a terrible game to being biased and it was that bad I feel it was the latter, on to the next game now anyways

Are you sure he was the worst ref by a country mile? I thought that was the ref who was in charge when we played Reading. Here is one of stacks of comments made after that game.

"Bogle does a foul gets booked, their player does a worse one no booking their player climbing all over patterson gives the foul to them, linesman ball well out lets reading play on, ref gives a deinite goal kick to us gives them a corner, penalty to us, gives nothing this guy should never be reffing"

Similar to plenty of comments made after the Bristol game as well.
Whenever we drop points it almost looks like posters are copying and pasting the excuses from the previous time we dropped points. As I have said before, it is always the ref's fault and yet we take the piss out of Wolves fans for their excuses when they have a bad day. We are much worse on the excuse front than them, and it never seems to cross the minds of some fans that the reason we may have lost was because we played absolute crap football.

Just as well as nobody takes our advice about refs. If they sacked every ref we complain about there would'nt be enough left to officiate on an average weekend.

We've had bad refs even i have complained but most are over the top and bitter comments that we got beat or didn't play well, yesterday EVERY single decision was seemingly going against us, I even jokingly said to my father if we score he will look to rule it out and they will no doubt get awarded a penalty, the only prediction i had wrong was i thought we would end up with ten men nothing more than that w*nker would've liked than to send us off, surely he will get demoted for it. I firmly believe refs should explain decisions after a game like managers and players are forced to. If any average joe performed like that in their workplace they would now be unemployed

We were simply not good enough today but that referee is the worst by a country mile I've EVER seen in professional or amateur football, surely his performance has to be analysed because there's having a terrible game to being biased and it was that bad I feel it was the latter, on to the next game now anyways

Are you sure he was the worst ref by a country mile? I thought that was the ref who was in charge when we played Reading. Here is one of stacks of comments made after that game.

"Bogle does a foul gets booked, their player does a worse one no booking their player climbing all over patterson gives the foul to them, linesman ball well out lets reading play on, ref gives a deinite goal kick to us gives them a corner, penalty to us, gives nothing this guy should never be reffing"

Similar to plenty of comments made after the Bristol game as well.
Whenever we drop points it almost looks like posters are copying and pasting the excuses from the previous time we dropped points. As I have said before, it is always the ref's fault and yet we take the piss out of Wolves fans for their excuses when they have a bad day. We are much worse on the excuse front than them, and it never seems to cross the minds of some fans that the reason we may have lost was because we played absolute crap football.

Just as well as nobody takes our advice about refs. If they sacked every ref we complain about there would'nt be enough left to officiate on an average weekend.

We've had bad refs even i have complained but most are over the top and bitter comments that we got beat or didn't play well, yesterday EVERY single decision was seemingly going against us, I even jokingly said to my father if we score he will look to rule it out and they will no doubt get awarded a penalty, the only prediction i had wrong was i thought we would end up with ten men nothing more than that w*nker would've liked than to send us off, surely he will get demoted for it. I firmly believe refs should explain decisions after a game like managers and players are forced to. If any average joe performed like that in their workplace they would now be unemployed

Yes, we have had bad reffing decisions in many of our games, well, all the ones where we have dropped points in anyway. There are 92 teams in our leagues, and I doubt if 91 of them get perfect refs with just ourselves being the odd one out. Sometimes you have to look at our performance as a team rather than excuses as to why we dropped points. Look back on this forum to our previous losses, and you will find almost identical comments every time. The worse ref ever, and he should never be allowed to ref at this level again. They can't all be the worse one surely. If we do reasonably well this season, hopefully we will only lose around 10 games in total. That means that we are going to end up with the 10 worse refs in the history of the game. If we get to the PL, there are going to be loads of even worse ones the following season.

I'm not pretending like we deserved anything at best we could of hoped for a 0-0 draw because both teams looked piss poor but 2-0 was a reflection of the refereeing ruling our goal out to awarding that penalty two MAJOR game changers

I'm not pretending like we deserved anything at best we could of hoped for a 0-0 draw because both teams looked piss poor but 2-0 was a reflection of the refereeing ruling our goal out to awarding that penalty two MAJOR game changers

Well anyway Daniel, well done to you, your father and all the others who made the effort to get up there yesterday. Hope you all had a good day out (apart from the result), and fingers crossed we get three points next time out. Have a good Xmas.

The thing about handball and penalties is they are so random when it comes to be given? The rule says must be deliberate but refs seem to arbitrary make the decision depending on location in area where offence takes place, apparently theres been less given this season as apparently large percentage of penalties in recent seasons have been for handball!

Penalty for me

Never a penalty. That was no where deliberate. Bamba even had his back to the ball.

Two hands in the air in the box asking for trouble.

No complaints from me

I'm not pretending like we deserved anything at best we could of hoped for a 0-0 draw because both teams looked piss poor but 2-0 was a reflection of the refereeing ruling our goal out to awarding that penalty two MAJOR game changers

Well anyway Daniel, well done to you, your father and all the others who made the effort to get up there yesterday. Hope you all had a good day out (apart from the result), and fingers crossed we get three points next time out. Have a good Xmas.

Can't win them all can we and like you said lets hope we do fulham on boxing day, merry Christmas all

Penalty for me

Seen them go either way. If you are the attacking team definite penalty, if you are the defending team no way was it a penalty. It was a penalty because the ref said it was and the result was goal , hopefully the next doubtful penalty decision will go our way.

Just think of it this way, if it had been the other way around and it wasn't given we'd be claiming the ref is shit! Definite penalty, Bamba was too busy trying to win a freekick by acting as if he was being pulled back and consequently lost the header.