I have to say I agree / No wonder they are a Shambles

I have to say I agree with John Roblin

My great sympathy to the family of ex MP Carl Sargeant -RIP
but I always thought that it was only close family that had obligatory time off for bereavement so why am I listening to ITV news stating that the Cenydd (assembly for Wales )has more or less completely shut down for the rest of the week - All meetings cancelled -assembly members work adjourned !!!

This guy was sacked from Labour !!!

No wonder the assembly is a shambles - no wonder the NHS is in turmoil , no wonder people are in financial disarray

This rant is in no way aimed at Mr. Sargent”s family and hope that they can grieve without being hounded by the media

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he had trial by media which is wrong ,this type of information should be kept out if the public ,innocent untill proved guilty

he had trial by media which is wrong ,this type of information should be kept out if the public ,innocent untill proved guilty

Totally agree but that still doesn't explain why the whole Welsh Assembly has to close for a week? If God forbid if one of your employees died then would you shut your chip shop and café for a whole week?

I can understand showing respect (shutting for a few hours or one day to attend the funeral) but a whole week for a couple of hundred public employee's most of whom wouldn't have known the Assembly member is totally out of order.

I think you will find that in fact a large majority of the public staff will indeed have known Carl and just because plenary and committee meetings are cancelled the assembly administration staff will still attend Cardiff Bay and have work to do

Will anyone even notice if they are in work or not?

Next thing is they will be demanding a pay rise.

The values of having an assembly is a totally different matter to that of the work of commission staff who work hard to deliver what the law says we must have, and as a consequence just like hospitals, some services have to delivered 24/7 and 365 days of the year and just like the NHS those staff are frequently low down on the pay structure.

he had trial by media which is wrong ,this type of information should be kept out if the public ,innocent untill proved guilty

100% right Wez, How could he have been suspended and not told of the circumstances of the suspension i think Carwyn has some questions to answer over this

Will anyone even notice if they are in work or not?

Next thing is they will be demanding a pay rise.

no they will not notice..and yes pay rises..

Not many people are going to like this, but the way I see it, in most places you work you will be suspended while an investigation takes place if you are accused of certain things. I don't see what is odd or outrageous about that. Obviously it is tragic that someone has taken their life (also it is important to remember that sometimes guilty people commit suicide too) but I am not sure what else could have been done her. Maybe he should have been told what the accusations were - but would that really stop someone from topping themselves? And maybe the media shouldn't have been involved - but if you are a figure in the public eye, then it is beyond naive to think that anything that happens to your career will not be reported.

I think Carwyn Jones as a lot to answer for.
He usually attends an opening of an envelope, but he has gone to ground since this tragic event.
He also sanctioned closing the assembly ,probably in his own interests, so he doesn't have to answer some very pertinent questions.
He rushed in too sacking CS, without even telling him the facts, allowing CS at least a chance to explain,and try to clear his name.
But Carwyn Jones was too busy sticking the knife in.
I quote Carwyn Jones here "Carl was a good friend "
Well Carwyn Jones with friends like you, you definitely don't need enemies.

Bloody ridiculous you ask me for a shamed MP who took his own life as a coward because he was going to be ousted for either rape or paedophilia.

Bloody ridiculous you ask me for a shamed MP who took his own life as a coward because he was going to be ousted for either rape or paedophilia.

Who told you that Twitter?

Bloody ridiculous you ask me for a shamed MP who took his own life as a coward because he was going to be ousted for either rape or paedophilia.

Where did you get that crap from. He wasn't an MP as far as I know, and I certainly don't think that people who take their own lives are cowards. Let's hope that none of your family and friends are ever driven to such despair that suicide is the only way out that they can see!

justice should be allowed to run it's course. it is very sad that he felt the need to end his life, though i do not see what could have been done differently.

i see no reason why the assembly should have anything more than one day off (if that). no surprises that they continue to be completely detached from the realities faced by those that fund their inflated salaries.

I was with Carl Sargeant just two weeks ago when he came to my factory and I must say that even though it was the first time I met the man my impression was that he was a down to earth man and not your typical politician, he came across as a very much ‘ for the people’ type of guy and straight talking.

I don’t know, like anyone else on here, what or if he is was guilty of any wrongdoing but I will say that to be sacked from your job and suspended from your party and not even have the accusations that were levelled against you to be told to you is disrespectful at least and utterly flabbergasting, how can any one defend their character and prove their innocence if they are not even told what those allegations are and your boss and party sack you without explanation.

Sad state of affairs and the Welsh Assembly, the Goverment need to be asked questions over the way this case and others are being dealt with.

Not many people are going to like this, but the way I see it, in most places you work you will be suspended while an investigation takes place if you are accused of certain things. I don't see what is odd or outrageous about that. Obviously it is tragic that someone has taken their life (also it is important to remember that sometimes guilty people commit suicide too) but I am not sure what else could have been done her. Maybe he should have been told what the accusations were - but would that really stop someone from topping themselves? And maybe the media shouldn't have been involved - but if you are a figure in the public eye, then it is beyond naive to think that anything that happens to your career will not be reported.

Totally agree, and this is fact, once there is a serious allegation like this, i would hazard a guess that 99% of companies/organisations would suspend the person whilst they are investigated. For some morons to say that carwyn jones has not acted in the correct manner are wrong. He has followed the correct procedure. We can all argue that this procedure is wrong or needs updating, but under the currant procedures in britain, that is how it is.
The problem is, that the media in this country are vile and love making news in tradgic circumstances.
It is good that Carl met mr sargent a few weeks back and said he was a down to earth bloke, but i am sure carwyn jones is as well.
Procedures need to be followed, it is a shame that the family are not allowed to grieve at this tradgic time.

Not many people are going to like this, but the way I see it, in most places you work you will be suspended while an investigation takes place if you are accused of certain things. I don't see what is odd or outrageous about that. Obviously it is tragic that someone has taken their life (also it is important to remember that sometimes guilty people commit suicide too) but I am not sure what else could have been done her. Maybe he should have been told what the accusations were - but would that really stop someone from topping themselves? And maybe the media shouldn't have been involved - but if you are a figure in the public eye, then it is beyond naive to think that anything that happens to your career will not be reported.

Totally agree, and this is fact, once there is a serious allegation like this, i would hazard a guess that 99% of companies/organisations would suspend the person whilst they are investigated. For some morons to say that carwyn jones has not acted in the correct manner are wrong. He has followed the correct procedure. We can all argue that this procedure is wrong or needs updating, but under the currant procedures in britain, that is how it is.
The problem is, that the media in this country are vile and love making news in tradgic circumstances.
It is good that Carl met mr sargent a few weeks back and said he was a down to earth bloke, but i am sure carwyn jones is as well.
Procedures need to be followed, it is a shame that the family are not allowed to grieve at this tradgic time.

Through my work I had a ministerial visit and had a meeting with Carwyn Jones just under a year ago and he was easy to talk too. I didn’t have a go at Carwyn Jones in my post but said questions need to be asked of the Assembly and Goverment over the handling of these allegations.

I understand and appreciate that most organisations would suspend somebody under such scrutiny but to do so without telling the accused of the detail of those allegations and sack him does not sit right.

Imagine your boss calling you to the office and telling you ‘ you’re fired, for allegations of personal misconduct but I can’t, or won’t, tell you what that misconduct is !’

Try to defend that.

That’s what I don’t and can’t accept as a right and proper way to manage a situation.

Will anyone notice?

Will anyone notice?

If you don't take any interest, no.

Through my work I had a ministerial visit and had a meeting with Carwyn Jones just under a year ago and he was easy to talk too. I didn’t have a go at Carwyn Jones in my post but said questions need to be asked of the Assembly and Goverment over the handling of these allegations.

I understand and appreciate that most organisations would suspend somebody under such scrutiny but to do so without telling the accused of the detail of those allegations and sack him does not sit right.

Imagine your boss calling you to the office and telling you ‘ you’re fired, for allegations of personal misconduct but I can’t, or won’t, tell you what that misconduct is !’

Try to defend that.

That’s what I don’t and can’t accept as a right and proper way to manage a situation.

If whatever has happened is considered 'gross misconduct' and the evidence exists to support that view then it is perfectly acceptable to sack someone on the spot.

Thing is we don't know if Carl Sargeant's behaviour amounted to gross misconduct or if there was any evidence. At the moment you have to go with the feeling that the Welsh Government wouldn't have taken such extreme measures if that was not the case.

However, if Carl Sargeant's behaviour turns out to be well short of gross misconduct then the WG and Welsh Labour have a lot of explaining to do.

Not many people are going to like this, but the way I see it, in most places you work you will be suspended while an investigation takes place if you are accused of certain things. I don't see what is odd or outrageous about that. Obviously it is tragic that someone has taken their life (also it is important to remember that sometimes guilty people commit suicide too) but I am not sure what else could have been done her. Maybe he should have been told what the accusations were - but would that really stop someone from topping themselves? And maybe the media shouldn't have been involved - but if you are a figure in the public eye, then it is beyond naive to think that anything that happens to your career will not be reported.

You make some very valid points. So far we have only part of the story and the important bits (what did the WG/Welsh Labour know) are missing.