MY VIEW: "IF I WAS VINCENT TAN"

MY VIEW: "IF I WAS VINCENT TAN"

Remember it's just my view as a football fan



IF I WAS VINCENT TAN : On 2nd January after the QPR game more than half the season is gone and the transfer window re-opens... If (and only if) on that date we are still "IN THE MIX" I would back Warnock, who I trust, and open the floodgates financially - ONE LAST TIME - in order to have my best and final shot at the Premiere League.... "IN THE MIX" means that we have more than 50% chance of promotion...

For this reason I will commit myself to Warnock RIGHT NOW that come 31st October after the Ipswich game (when a third of the season is gone) and IF we are IN THE MIX - to start preparing and identifying the players we need when the transfer window re-opens.... The magic word is "IN THE MIX". End October we prepare and early January we act !!

Will we be up to this challage? Or will it be the beginning of the end of the Tan era?







My reason for taking this chance is because I have invested a massive amount of money in the club and have no intention of investing more.

So- if we don't get promoted this season I know that my investment may be in danger - because I will face one of 3 choices , the sweetest of which will be very bitter :

(1) I will again back Warnock financially. This I will not do because the cost of running the club - which is already losing a lot- will become prohivitive now that the parachute payments are finished.

(2) I will sell the club. This means a massive write-off as the absolute maximum I will get is £30 million


(3) I will sell our best players , to balance the books. This would mean that our our immediate promotion future is written off.




Now how do we identify the 50% chance of promotion ? .... The answer is that this will only be done on 2nd January 2018.

However, just by way of example.... If on Jan 2nd we are where we are now (or thereabouts) then: .... (a) we will have a 33% chance of automatic promotion being 1 of 6 clubs vying for the 2 automatic spots...(b)otherwise we will have an 80% chance for making the play-offs but then we will only have a quarter of that for promotion - meaning 20%.... (c) add the two together we have 53% chance of promotion.

This means 'go for it' !.... Naturally the possibility of getting promoted with no investment and without being IN THE MIX is also there.... Anxious and expectant times for us fans and for Tan!! What do you think?





Opinions

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Personally i think we will be in the mix and Knowing NW he will be already looking at where he can boost promotion bid! I Suspect he will still be under restraint spending wise but will be backed as much as he can be, and i don't think tan will say no to him.

Nicely put Annis and it would be great if he did back NW however whilst I was reading this there was only one sentence going through my mind.

"I hate your guts and I will never forgive you and will rejoice when your gone but get your feckin money out anyway."

Not the opinion your looking for I guess but when you hold these views its hard to believe any genuine objectivity in the above.

As fans we all want to see money spent on good signings without really understanding how the clubs financial situation is.We seen it before with the promotion and the season in the prem,and also felt the backlash when it quickly failed.
I just can't see see splashing too much cash in January no matter where we stand.
Mind you with Warnock nagging at his ear anything is possible
So the answer to the question from me is No I can't see Tan really splashing the cash!

Personally i think we will be in the mix and Knowing NW he will be already looking at where he can boost promotion bid! I Suspect he will still be under restraint spending wise but will be backed as much as he can be, and i don't think tan will say no to him.

Pretty much word for word that I would have put

Nicely put Annis and it would be great if he did back NW however whilst I was reading this there was only one sentence going through my mind.

"I hate your guts and I will never forgive you and will rejoice when your gone but get your feckin money out anyway."

Not the opinion your looking for I guess but when you hold these views its hard to believe any genuine objectivity in the above.

No I am not a Tan fan and never will be, but I am always honest about everything I write.
You have to look it in an honest way

Martin, I am looking at it in two ways, Business for Vincent Tan & Success for Cardiff City

Personally i think we will be in the mix and Knowing NW he will be already looking at where he can boost promotion bid! I Suspect he will still be under restraint spending wise but will be backed as much as he can be, and i don't think tan will say no to him.

Allan, I personally can't see Tan saying No to Warnock as it was Warnock who stopped Tan selling Kenneth Zohore, but if we are not in the promotion pack, then I don't see Tan putting anymore money in and I would respect that

I think NW is already working on possible signings in January but in my opinion any signings made will in no way see an "Opening Of The Financial Floodgates". I do agree that the level of monies spent in January will be directly linked to our League position i.e. IF we are in the top 2 (still a massive ask in my opinion) then the odds would favour promotion, being in the top 4 would likely signal a push for the playoffs but wouldn't justify spending heavily, being in the top 10 would make any spending a big gamble.

In my opinion January will more likely see further moves to cut the budget with players like Pilkington and Connolly either being sold or loaned out. Any monies saved could free up budget cash for a couple of quality PL loan players and for me that is where we will more likely see something happen.

By turning down serious money for both Zohore and Morrison this summer VT has already backed NW to the hilt this season and if any transfer business in January amounts to just a couple of loans I wouldn't see that as a lack of support or backing from VT.

As fans we all want to see money spent on good signings without really understanding how the clubs financial situation is.We seen it before with the promotion and the season in the prem,and also felt the backlash when it quickly failed.
I just can't see see splashing too much cash in January no matter where we stand.
Mind you with Warnock nagging at his ear anything is possible
So the answer to the question from me is No I can't see Tan really splashing the cash!

If we are nicely positioned in January, those clubs that strengthen usually go up
Warnock will def want to strengthen and the higher we are the stronger position Warnock will be in

Lots of if's!!!!!!!!!

If Zohore if firing will clubs take a punt?
If Brighton are fighting at the bottom will they spend over
20m to get him.
If he does go will NW get all that money?
If he stays will VT sanction a couple of players imo 2 would be sufficient if we have no injuries.

Personally I think Pilks and 1 or 2 others will be offloaded and NW will be allowed to bring 2 in.

If I had a choice those 2 would be attacking players and established names with experience.

Like I said all if's but we are in a good place and let's just see where we are coming into the window.

Personally i think we will be in the mix and Knowing NW he will be already looking at where he can boost promotion bid! I Suspect he will still be under restraint spending wise but will be backed as much as he can be, and i don't think tan will say no to him.

Allan, I personally can't see Tan saying No to Warnock as it was Warnock who stopped Tan selling Kenneth Zohore, but if we are not in the promotion pack, then I don't see Tan putting anymore money in and I would respect that

I think tan will be guided by NW but dont think NW will go ott regarding what he needs and like others have said loans may be best way forward, but tan as backed NW dont see any reason why he won't again if asked
Ps whats wrong with the weather here in Majorca?
Staying in alcudia

Nicely put Annis and it would be great if he did back NW however whilst I was reading this there was only one sentence going through my mind.

"I hate your guts and I will never forgive you and will rejoice when your gone but get your feckin money out anyway."

Not the opinion your looking for I guess but when you hold these views its hard to believe any genuine objectivity in the above.

No I am not a Tan fan and never will be, but I am always honest about everything I write.
You have to look it in an honest way

Martin, I am looking at it in two ways, Business for Vincent Tan & Success for Cardiff City

As if Tan will take notice of any fan regarding running his businesses.

Tan main objective is to get as much return as he can from Cardiff City FC. So far he has made a right cock up of it but at least he is appearing to be sorting it out. Tan comes over as one of those business men who wants it his own way so listens to no one until it gets so bad he has to listen. The rebrand and selection of managers is proof of that.

Anyway back to the subject. I'm not a fan of the January window being an opportunity for clubs of our status to improve things. History has shown that and I'm struggling to think who made a huge impact on us over the last decade thanks to the window. Frazer Campbell comes to mind but he was a gamble and the price of £300k was why we gave him a go. Anyone out there of any interest will cost a bomb in January of which Tan will be very reluctant to open the purses. Our best bet will be the knowledge of Warnock finding someone to see us through on the cheap and that will not be easy.

Nicely put Annis and it would be great if he did back NW however whilst I was reading this there was only one sentence going through my mind.

"I hate your guts and I will never forgive you and will rejoice when your gone but get your feckin money out anyway."

Not the opinion your looking for I guess but when you hold these views its hard to believe any genuine objectivity in the above.

No I am not a Tan fan and never will be, but I am always honest about everything I write.
You have to look it in an honest way

Martin, I am looking at it in two ways, Business for Vincent Tan & Success for Cardiff City

As if Tan will take notice of any fan regarding running his businesses.

Tan main objective is to get as much return as he can from Cardiff City FC. So far he has made a right cock up of it but at least he is appearing to be sorting it out. Tan comes over as one of those business men who wants it his own way so listens to no one until it gets so bad he has to listen. The rebrand and selection of managers is proof of that.

Anyway back to the subject. I'm not a fan of the January window being an opportunity for clubs of our status to improve things. History has shown that and I'm struggling to think who made a huge impact on us over the last decade thanks to the window. Frazer Campbell comes to mind but he was a gamble and the price of £300k was why we gave him a go. Anyone out there of any interest will cost a bomb in January of which Tan will be very reluctant to open the purses. Our best bet will be the knowledge of Warnock finding someone to see us through on the cheap and that will not be easy.

Spot on Ian, Its just fans having a football debate

I do believe Warnock won't want much money and if we are up there more players will want to join the promotion party

Great read

I'm sure Tan will back him this is the best opportunity by far to go back up.

The team we have play better football then ever before and the way Warnock subs at the right times and 80% get the starting line up correct is amazing.

Warnock wants needs this promotion

They both have to make it happen

I think NW is already working on possible signings in January but in my opinion any signings made will in no way see an "Opening Of The Financial Floodgates". I do agree that the level of monies spent in January will be directly linked to our League position i.e. IF we are in the top 2 (still a massive ask in my opinion) then the odds would favour promotion, being in the top 4 would likely signal a push for the playoffs but wouldn't justify spending heavily, being in the top 10 would make any spending a big gamble.

In my opinion January will more likely see further moves to cut the budget with players like Pilkington and Connolly either being sold or loaned out. Any monies saved could free up budget cash for a couple of quality PL loan players and for me that is where we will more likely see something happen.

By turning down serious money for both Zohore and Morrison this summer VT has already backed NW to the hilt this season and if any transfer business in January amounts to just a couple of loans I wouldn't see that as a lack of support or backing from VT.

Good point there is more to the January window than just bringing players in and some of the fringe players like Connelly and Pilkington are bound to be targets for other clubs. Also our better performing players such as NML and even Sol Bamba might be drawing admiring glances from PL and other Championship clubs.

That said I still believe NW didn't spend all of his summer budget so in theory any leftovers added to any outgoings should be available to him to spend in the next window.

Tan comes over as one of those business men who wants it his own way so listens to no one until it gets so bad he has to listen.

Not saying your wrong but TBH most businessmen are like that.....

Lots of if's!!!!!!!!!

If Zohore if firing will clubs take a punt?
If Brighton are fighting at the bottom will they spend over
20m to get him.
If he does go will NW get all that money?
If he stays will VT sanction a couple of players imo 2 would be sufficient if we have no injuries.

Personally I think Pilks and 1 or 2 others will be offloaded and NW will be allowed to bring 2 in.

If I had a choice those 2 would be attacking players and established names with experience.

Like I said all if's but we are in a good place and let's just see where we are coming into the window.

Karl, Personally for me the answer is there,it all depends on what position Cardiff are in the Championship

I don't think that opening the financial floodgates to buy expensive players is right for NW or the team.

We have a very close bunch of guys and wouldn't want expensive layers to disrupt.

That said, of course one or two quality additions would be welcome but I don't think that it's NW's best skill... spending huge amounts.

i dont want to see a great deal of business done in January. it doesnt always work and you can look at someone like Derby in recent history for that.

When we won the league last time, we needed a striker and bought the perfect one in Campbell that kept us firing. IF we are still up there come January, then one or two players would be more than enough.

MY VIEW: "IF I WAS VINCENT TAN"

Remember it's just my view as a football fan



IF I WAS VINCENT TAN : On 2nd January after the QPR game more than half the season is gone and the transfer window re-opens... If (and only if) on that date we are still "IN THE MIX" I would back Warnock, who I trust, and open the floodgates financially - ONE LAST TIME - in order to have my best and final shot at the Premiere League.... "IN THE MIX" means that we have more than 50% chance of promotion...

For this reason I will commit myself to Warnock RIGHT NOW that come 31st October after the Ipswich game (when a third of the season is gone) and IF we are IN THE MIX - to start preparing and identifying the players we need when the transfer window re-opens.... The magic word is "IN THE MIX". End October we prepare and early January we act !!

Will we be up to this challage? Or will it be the beginning of the end of the Tan era?







My reason for taking this chance is because I have invested a massive amount of money in the club and have no intention of investing more.

So- if we don't get promoted this season I know that my investment may be in danger - because I will face one of 3 choices , the sweetest of which will be very bitter :

(1) I will again back Warnock financially. This I will not do because the cost of running the club - which is already losing a lot- will become prohivitive now that the parachute payments are finished.

(2) I will sell the club. This means a massive write-off as the absolute maximum I will get is £30 million


(3) I will sell our best players , to balance the books. This would mean that our our immediate promotion future is written off.




Now how do we identify the 50% chance of promotion ? .... The answer is that this will only be done on 2nd January 2018.

However, just by way of example.... If on Jan 2nd we are where we are now (or thereabouts) then: .... (a) we will have a 33% chance of automatic promotion being 1 of 6 clubs vying for the 2 automatic spots...(b)otherwise we will have an 80% chance for making the play-offs but then we will only have a quarter of that for promotion - meaning 20%.... (c) add the two together we have 53% chance of promotion.

This means 'go for it' !.... Naturally the possibility of getting promoted with no investment and without being IN THE MIX is also there.... Anxious and expectant times for us fans and for Tan!! What do you think?





Opinions

Annis nothing 100% clear on my end but sounds like you're on the nose. NW had a budget for the summer and will have another in Jan, the size of which depends on our league position.

i dont want to see a great deal of business done in January. it doesnt always work and you can look at someone like Derby in recent history for that.

When we won the league last time, we needed a striker and bought the perfect one in Campbell that kept us firing. IF we are still up there come January, then one or two players would be more than enough.

Yeah brought in Campbell and Barnett who were both great for us. I can see this sort of thing happening again

I think the first piece of business he will do is try and make Bryson Permanent

I think the first piece of business he will do is try and make Bryson Permanent

Highly unlikely unless Ledley turns out to be amazing and/or they finally complete that deal for Kieftenbeld from Birmingham. We do have first dibs on Bryson (if Derby are willing to sell) I think though

i dont want to see a great deal of business done in January. it doesnt always work and you can look at someone like Derby in recent history for that.

When we won the league last time, we needed a striker and bought the perfect one in Campbell that kept us firing. IF we are still up there come January, then one or two players would be more than enough.

Yeah brought in Campbell and Barnett who were both great for us. I can see this sort of thing happening again

Forgot all about Barnett.

Barnett was brought in to see us through and did a great job. Shame he never looked like following us into the Premiership.

i dont want to see a great deal of business done in January. it doesnt always work and you can look at someone like Derby in recent history for that.

When we won the league last time, we needed a striker and bought the perfect one in Campbell that kept us firing. IF we are still up there come January, then one or two players would be more than enough.

Yeah brought in Campbell and Barnett who were both great for us. I can see this sort of thing happening again

Forgot all about Barnett.

Barnett was brought in to see us through and did a great job. Shame he never looked like following us into the Premiership.

Yeah he went a bit downhill from there - I thought he looked awesome for us!

MY VIEW: "IF I WAS VINCENT TAN"

Remember it's just my view as a football fan



IF I WAS VINCENT TAN : On 2nd January after the QPR game more than half the season is gone and the transfer window re-opens... If (and only if) on that date we are still "IN THE MIX" I would back Warnock, who I trust, and open the floodgates financially - ONE LAST TIME - in order to have my best and final shot at the Premiere League.... "IN THE MIX" means that we have more than 50% chance of promotion...

For this reason I will commit myself to Warnock RIGHT NOW that come 31st October after the Ipswich game (when a third of the season is gone) and IF we are IN THE MIX - to start preparing and identifying the players we need when the transfer window re-opens.... The magic word is "IN THE MIX". End October we prepare and early January we act !!

Will we be up to this challage? Or will it be the beginning of the end of the Tan era?







My reason for taking this chance is because I have invested a massive amount of money in the club and have no intention of investing more.

So- if we don't get promoted this season I know that my investment may be in danger - because I will face one of 3 choices , the sweetest of which will be very bitter :

(1) I will again back Warnock financially. This I will not do because the cost of running the club - which is already losing a lot- will become prohivitive now that the parachute payments are finished.

(2) I will sell the club. This means a massive write-off as the absolute maximum I will get is £30 million


(3) I will sell our best players , to balance the books. This would mean that our our immediate promotion future is written off.




Now how do we identify the 50% chance of promotion ? .... The answer is that this will only be done on 2nd January 2018.

However, just by way of example.... If on Jan 2nd we are where we are now (or thereabouts) then: .... (a) we will have a 33% chance of automatic promotion being 1 of 6 clubs vying for the 2 automatic spots...(b)otherwise we will have an 80% chance for making the play-offs but then we will only have a quarter of that for promotion - meaning 20%.... (c) add the two together we have 53% chance of promotion.

This means 'go for it' !.... Naturally the possibility of getting promoted with no investment and without being IN THE MIX is also there.... Anxious and expectant times for us fans and for Tan!! What do you think?





Opinions

Annis nothing 100% clear on my end but sounds like you're on the nose. NW had a budget for the summer and will have another in Jan, the size of which depends on our league position.

Cheers Thomas, just giving my opinion and options open to Vincent Tan

I think NW is already working on possible signings in January but in my opinion any signings made will in no way see an "Opening Of The Financial Floodgates". I do agree that the level of monies spent in January will be directly linked to our League position i.e. IF we are in the top 2 (still a massive ask in my opinion) then the odds would favour promotion, being in the top 4 would likely signal a push for the playoffs but wouldn't justify spending heavily, being in the top 10 would make any spending a big gamble.

In my opinion January will more likely see further moves to cut the budget with players like Pilkington and Connolly either being sold or loaned out. Any monies saved could free up budget cash for a couple of quality PL loan players and for me that is where we will more likely see something happen.

By turning down serious money for both Zohore and Morrison this summer VT has already backed NW to the hilt this season and if any transfer business in January amounts to just a couple of loans I wouldn't see that as a lack of support or backing from VT.

Gary, I do believe Warnock will now know any of our weak points he needs to fill, but I can't see him speaking to any future players till December.


Yes thankfully Warnock has persuaded Tan to keep valuable players,so now Warnock must deliver and keep us up there by Jan

I agree Warnock will have to still move a few more players out and he will

I also believe if we are right up there, Tan will back Warnock which will help us and his own business interests

I don’t think the floodgates need to open, however if we are still top 6 and within touching distance of the top 2 spending 5 million would be worth the risk or investing in a loan or 2. Injury’s aside I don’t think we need more than 1 or 2 players anyway.

Nicely put Annis and it would be great if he did back NW however whilst I was reading this there was only one sentence going through my mind.

"I hate your guts and I will never forgive you and will rejoice when your gone but get your feckin money out anyway."

Not the opinion your looking for I guess but when you hold these views its hard to believe any genuine objectivity in the above.

No I am not a Tan fan and never will be, but I am always honest about everything I write.
You have to look it in an honest way

Martin, I am looking at it in two ways, Business for Vincent Tan & Success for Cardiff City

As if Tan will take notice of any fan regarding running his businesses.

Tan main objective is to get as much return as he can from Cardiff City FC. So far he has made a right cock up of it but at least he is appearing to be sorting it out. Tan comes over as one of those business men who wants it his own way so listens to no one until it gets so bad he has to listen. The rebrand and selection of managers is proof of that.

Anyway back to the subject. I'm not a fan of the January window being an opportunity for clubs of our status to improve things. History has shown that and I'm struggling to think who made a huge impact on us over the last decade thanks to the window. Frazer Campbell comes to mind but he was a gamble and the price of £300k was why we gave him a go. Anyone out there of any interest will cost a bomb in January of which Tan will be very reluctant to open the purses. Our best bet will be the knowledge of Warnock finding someone to see us through on the cheap and that will not be easy.

sorry, but Campbell wasnt a gamble..we paid so little because he had it as a release clause in his contract..cost us a furtune in signing on /agent/and wages...had a similar clause as part of his contract here before he agreed to sign .
and it 100% worked..we stuttered and those goals were enough to keep us on track..

I think we will have to act, Feb and April see us with some tough fixtures for the final run in.