" The Old Cardiff "

" The Old Cardiff "


Since we moved to the new stadium the atmosphere and the amount of loyalty has gone, the good old days where the atmosphere was immense an the fans were true bluebirds needs to be back for the sake of the club

What needs to be done ??

Nothing to do with the stadium. Internationals frequently prove that. I just think that there's not enough people willing to make an atmosphere... & there's the drum that kills it at times

Basically mate, the answer to your question is simple.

THE GROUNDS TO BIG and as for loyalty, Cardiff fans have never been loyal, not in big numbers anyway. Small hardcore support with an abundance of glory supporters.

We have got a 33,000 capacity and have never been anywhere near close to filling it, in fact we have never had crowds close to that figure since the 1950's.

18,000 in Ninian Park was awsome, 18,000 in the CCS is only just over half full and people are just to spread out and you have vast open spaces which hinders the atmosphere.

As much as I love it for Wales games. purely from a Cardiff City angle, putting that new stand up so quick before we had established ourselves for at least a good 3-4 years was massive mistake.

Basically mate, the answer to your question is simple.

THE GROUNDS TO BIG and as for loyalty, Cardiff fans have never been loyal, not in big numbers anyway. Small hardcore support with an abundance of glory supporters.

We have got a 33,000 capacity and have never been anywhere near close to filling it, in fact we have never had crowds close to that figure since the 1950's.

18,000 in Ninian Park was awsome, 18,000 in the CCS is only just over half full and people are just to spread out and you have vast open spaces which hinders the atmosphere.

As much as I love it for Wales games. purely from a Cardiff City angle, putting that new stand up so quick before we had established ourselves for at least a good 3-4 years was massive mistake.

Spot on. I guess tan also blames malky for that huge financial mistake that is the red elephant.

your right mate, i also think the stuards and the amount of police presence are having a effect on fanatical support the passion is starting to fade an maybe nows the time to do something maybe? like bringing back standing instead of those seats where the atmosphere dont buzz and the fans are to far apart

33000 is too big for many established premier league clubs so correct we didn't need new stand.best atmospheres places like Bristol city Charlton forest etc where you are right on top of the action.weve got a fair size perimeter around the pitch.as people have stated everyone has to be up for it to create an atmosphere in the CCs.fair play the 18500 against qpr were and the noise was quite good.

Too many sado's supporting big english clubs!!!!

Basically mate, the answer to your question is simple.

THE GROUNDS TO BIG and as for loyalty, Cardiff fans have never been loyal, not in big numbers anyway. Small hardcore support with an abundance of glory supporters.

We have got a 33,000 capacity and have never been anywhere near close to filling it, in fact we have never had crowds close to that figure since the 1950's.

18,000 in Ninian Park was awsome, 18,000 in the CCS is only just over half full and people are just to spread out and you have vast open spaces which hinders the atmosphere.

As much as I love it for Wales games. purely from a Cardiff City angle, putting that new stand up so quick before we had established ourselves for at least a good 3-4 years was massive mistake.

Spot on. I guess tan also blames malky for that huge financial mistake that is the red elephant.

The new stand in itself, was not a mistake. It's there, it's paid for, it's not used yet, so it doesnt contribute to a atmosphere void. We had the opportunity to expand the ground with EUFA paying most of the bill. That's good business, good timing and good sense.

Atmosphere is made by people not seats. I actually think that it bubbles along nicely at CCS at the minute and it will improve if the results continue to go well.

Stop worrying and enjoy.

See you all at Fulham.

Alot of people are looking at the atmosphere at ninian park with rose tinted glasses,alot of the games the noise was dreadful you could hear a pin drop on its day it was loud but so is the ccs,people and the way we play helps the atmosphere this season its been great

All seated stadiums kill the atmosphere in football.

If we continue with our great form this season then undoubtedly the support will grow and the atmosphere will improve. Wales used to play to poor crowds and dismal atmospheres when they weren't so successful. Now they're riding the crest of the wave and inevitably there's a bandwagon effect. Exactly the same could happen with Cardiff City.

I don't think constructing the ground with a 33k capacity is a mistake at all. It gives our support room to grow and, to get anywhere near successful you have to set your goals higher. To build a stadium with less than 25 or even 30k capacity would have been to constrain our belief in ourselves. Deliver continuing success and 33k will soon be far too small for us.

If we continue with our great form this season then undoubtedly the support will grow and the atmosphere will improve. Wales used to play to poor crowds and dismal atmospheres when they weren't so successful. Now they're riding the crest of the wave and inevitably there's a bandwagon effect. Exactly the same could happen with Cardiff City.

I don't think constructing the ground with a 33k capacity is a mistake at all. It gives our support room to grow and, to get anywhere near successful you have to set your goals higher. To build a stadium with less than 25 or even 30k capacity would have been to constrain our belief in ourselves. Deliver continuing success and 33k will soon be far too small for us.

Agree 33k look at the jacks only getting 18 k

Too many sado's supporting big english clubs!!!!

Agreed! They then have the audacity to support the Welsh national football and rugby teams. I wouldn't want this sort of person next to me in the battle trench.

We moved over to the centre of the Canton Stand for 10 minutes during a game last season when the atmosphere was dead and tried to get a few chants going, whilst encouraging others to join in. Some guys behind said they didn't go to the football to sing, despite being in the standing section which is geared towards improving the atmosphere. An isolated incident, but if this is the thought process on a grand scheme, it doesn't help generate an atmosphere.

To be honest, the atmosphere in the Canton Stand this season has been amazing.

" The Old Cardiff "


Since we moved to the new stadium the atmosphere and the amount of loyalty has gone, the good old days where the atmosphere was immense an the fans were true bluebirds needs to be back for the sake of the club

What needs to be done ??

Amount of loyalty? I'd argue we probably have more loyal fans now than we did in the late 80's and 90's.

Alot of people are looking at the atmosphere at ninian park with rose tinted glasses,alot of the games the noise was dreadful you could hear a pin drop on its day it was loud but so is the ccs,people and the way we play helps the atmosphere this season its been great

Exactly this, ninian park more often than not was a morgue except for a hard core 300 in the middle of the Bob bank.

Alot of people are looking at the atmosphere at ninian park with rose tinted glasses,alot of the games the noise was dreadful you could hear a pin drop on its day it was loud but so is the ccs,people and the way we play helps the atmosphere this season its been great

Absolutely right. City has always had a small, hard core fan base, followed by a large influx of "Big game Charlie's", whether its been at Ninian Park, or the CCS.
We have had some really Big crowds in both stadiums in the past, soon followed by some really small ones. Our gate attendances have fluctuated from one home game to the next like a Stock market Crash.

Ninian Park had hosted some legendary games in the past, with electric atmospheres, usually when the team was Successful on the pitch,,, but so has the CCS. Who would ever forget our game v Leicester City in the POSF, or Crystal Palace in the Carling Cup SF, or Swansea City, when Chopra scored the winner, or our opening Premiership home game v Man City???
The same equally applies to the Wales Games played at NP & the CCS. When Wales are playing well, we have had big crowds & great atmospheres. The opposite applies when the Welsh team have performed poorly.

The common denominator is prolonged success on the pitch, & the fan base will grow, as it has in the past.
33k will be easily filled with a return to the Premiership, certainly 28k crowds were not a problem last time around.

This subject has been done to death in the past,,, the fact is simple; Its the Fans that make the Atmosphere, not empty sterile seats.
Our fan base has proved time & time again, over the decades,, that they Will turn up, & support a continuous & consistent Winning team!

Nothing to do with the Stadium itself, i was there for the super cup final and the place was electric

Alot of people are looking at the atmosphere at ninian park with rose tinted glasses,alot of the games the noise was dreadful you could hear a pin drop on its day it was loud but so is the ccs,people and the way we play helps the atmosphere this season its been great

Exactly this, ninian park more often than not was a morgue except for a hard core 300 in the middle of the Bob bank.

Agree and then later on when the grange had a roof on it and alot of the bob bank boys like me went to block a ,people make the atmosphere

When I first started the capacity at Ninian was 46,000, the atmosphere was variable depending on how the team did, and who the opposition were. Some days it could be electric.

The Grange roof was double canted and low to the pitch, which lent itself to a good atmosphere, and was designed to keep the rain out. The Bob roof was also comparatively low.
The designers of the new place, for some bizarre reason, drew up a single canted roof which lets the rain in and destroys the atmosphere, which is piss poor, and should not have been built this way, in this climate.
I think its to ensure the CCTV can keep an eye on the crowd. Could be they just want people to get wet.

" The Old Cardiff "


Since we moved to the new stadium the atmosphere and the amount of loyalty has gone, the good old days where the atmosphere was immense an the fans were true bluebirds needs to be back for the sake of the club

What needs to be done ??

The 'atmosphere was only 'immense' on some occasions and my memory is that (singing apart) the lethargy of fans when things weren't going right for the club was on a similar level but without the internet feeding frenzy of modern football fans!

I've always loved attending City games (home and away) but let's not get too mixed up with the stories of a few great days when the reality is we were in the doldrums for so long until the likes of Rick Wright and then Sam got involved

City fans, in reality, haven't had it so good for so long but (as in all things) we quickly grew accustomed to it and maybe aren't appreciating it as we should? Coupled with the 'modern' trend of supporting whatever is successful

To some people, 'loyalty' is exceptionally fragile and I'd hate to see some of their wardrobes with rails of of historic football shirts according to who was 'at the top' at that particular time!

Alot of people are looking at the atmosphere at ninian park with rose tinted glasses,alot of the games the noise was dreadful you could hear a pin drop on its day it was loud but so is the ccs,people and the way we play helps the atmosphere this season its been great

Spot on. Those who turned up once in a blue moon for big cup ties, the Jacks or promotion parties might have witnessed NP at it's best but for the most it part it was more dead than CCS is now.

The truth hurts but if we want to solve this then we must tackle the elephant in the room so to speak. The only thing to survive from NP is the fans the same ones which made the atmosphere crap 90% of the time there. We are the Peter Whittingham's of club football fans brilliant beyond our capability on our day, but go missing for 4 out of 5 games. Even when we score we aren't that good, there will be one loud chant on Laaaaaaa City! and then total silence as no-one knows what to follow it up with.

What is missing is the passion which comes shining through in droves when we are on our game, along with some new novel songs (can't remember the last one which wasn't nicked off another club). Whatever the reason for this lack of passion (and I'm sure there are loads of theories) it is time for a group of fans to get hold of the problem and start injecting some. Being top of the league with 5 wins out of 5 seems like a great time start.

When I first started the capacity at Ninian was 46,000, the atmosphere was variable depending on how the team did, and who the opposition were. Some days it could be electric.

The Grange roof was double canted and low to the pitch, which lent itself to a good atmosphere, and was designed to keep the rain out. The Bob roof was also comparatively low.
The designers of the new place, for some bizarre reason, drew up a single canted roof which lets the rain in and destroys the atmosphere, which is piss poor, and should not have been built this way, in this climate.
I think its to ensure the CCTV can keep an eye on the crowd. Could be they just want people to get wet.

The theory on that one is Ridsdale spent so much money elsewhere it left little for the infrastructure of the stadium, like no kitchens, some seats and a decent roof.

Alot of people are looking at the atmosphere at ninian park with rose tinted glasses,alot of the games the noise was dreadful you could hear a pin drop on its day it was loud but so is the ccs,people and the way we play helps the atmosphere this season its been great

Spot on. Those who turned up once in a blue moon for big cup ties, the Jacks or promotion parties might have witnessed NP at it's best but for the most it part it was more dead than CCS is now.

The truth hurts but if we want to solve this then we must tackle the elephant in the room so to speak. The only thing to survive from NP is the fans the same ones which made the atmosphere crap 90% of the time there. We are the Peter Whittingham's of club football fans brilliant beyond our capability on our day, but go missing for 4 out of 5 games. Even when we score we aren't that good, there will be one loud chant on Laaaaaaa City! and then total silence as no-one knows what to follow it up with.

What is missing is the passion which comes shining through in droves when we are on our game, along with some new novel songs (can't remember the last one which wasn't nicked off another club). Whatever the reason for this lack of passion (and I'm sure there are loads of theories) it is time for a group of fans to get hold of the problem and start injecting some. Being top of the league with 5 wins out of 5 seems like a great time start.

Again, absolutely right.
Regarding the "missing passion", is it really too difficult to rectify? For example, didn't Crystal Palace have a similar fan based problem a few years ago, until a group of their fans got together & started up that "Ultra" stuff???

Firstly.. of course a Wales game is going to generate a better atmosphere as it is a big event following your country with a carnival atmosphere

The atmosphere died at football with seating and long prison sentences. Back in the late 80s, a lot of East Cardiff went for one thing... a chance to get at away fans and a good chant to wind then up about what had happened or what was to come.

Now it is more geared towards families and that is fine, but the atmosphere will never revolver fully

Watched city at ninian for about 30 years for the majority of that time the atmosphere was poor so I am a loss to think why people think is was that great . Yes there were games that the atmosphere was amazing but I Maybe no more than 20 matches in that time
I can remember being in with the group singing and chanting thinking it was great only to be told by fans in the other parts of the groundsaying we where really quite The same happened when my boys went in the grange telling me it was great only for me to say they seemed quite.
There is nothing wrong with the new stadium it's just Cardiff fans rarely have ever made a great atmosphere at home

Alot of people are looking at the atmosphere at ninian park with rose tinted glasses,alot of the games the noise was dreadful you could hear a pin drop on its day it was loud but so is the ccs,people and the way we play helps the atmosphere this season its been great

Spot on. Those who turned up once in a blue moon for big cup ties, the Jacks or promotion parties might have witnessed NP at it's best but for the most it part it was more dead than CCS is now.

The truth hurts but if we want to solve this then we must tackle the elephant in the room so to speak. The only thing to survive from NP is the fans the same ones which made the atmosphere crap 90% of the time there. We are the Peter Whittingham's of club football fans brilliant beyond our capability on our day, but go missing for 4 out of 5 games. Even when we score we aren't that good, there will be one loud chant on Laaaaaaa City! and then total silence as no-one knows what to follow it up with.

What is missing is the passion which comes shining through in droves when we are on our game, along with some new novel songs (can't remember the last one which wasn't nicked off another club). Whatever the reason for this lack of passion (and I'm sure there are loads of theories) it is time for a group of fans to get hold of the problem and start injecting some. Being top of the league with 5 wins out of 5 seems like a great time start.

Unfortunately success breeds success. It's generational. If the City moved to the top tier, stays there and develops, thousands of youngsters will suddenly switch their allegiances to Cardiff and drag their parents down. It's only when these kids get older and start bringing their own kids down that the core of dedicated support increases. Had we stayed in the Premier then by now the hard core of support would have increased incrementally. Thankfully, the red nonsense is a thing of the past so if the "glory hunters" do return in their droves there won't be the same I'll feeling towards them. If we can get some of them "hooked" over a period and their kids in turn, we will have significantly increased our support base. Hopefully at the expense of the likes of Liverpool, Man Up and Chelsea etc.

Basically mate, the answer to your question is simple.

THE GROUNDS TO BIG and as for loyalty, Cardiff fans have never been loyal, not in big numbers anyway. Small hardcore support with an abundance of glory supporters.

We have got a 33,000 capacity and have never been anywhere near close to filling it, in fact we have never had crowds close to that figure since the 1950's.

18,000 in Ninian Park was awsome, 18,000 in the CCS is only just over half full and people are just to spread out and you have vast open spaces which hinders the atmosphere.

As much as I love it for Wales games. purely from a Cardiff City angle, putting that new stand up so quick before we had established ourselves for at least a good 3-4 years was massive mistake.

Spot on. I guess tan also blames malky for that huge financial mistake that is the red elephant.

The new stand in itself, was not a mistake. It's there, it's paid for, it's not used yet, so it doesnt contribute to a atmosphere void. We had the opportunity to expand the ground with EUFA paying most of the bill. That's good business, good timing and good sense.

Atmosphere is made by people not seats. I actually think that it bubbles along nicely at CCS at the minute and it will improve if the results continue to go well.

Stop worrying and enjoy.

See you all at Fulham.

Just one comment, by way of clarification.UEFA did not pay most of the bill for the Ninian Stand extension. Their contribution was minimal. A similar myth is that the ground capacity had to be increased to be able to host their Super Cup final. Simply not true

Unfortunately success breeds success. It's generational. If the City moved to the top tier, stays there and develops, thousands of youngsters will suddenly switch their allegiances to Cardiff and drag their parents down. It's only when these kids get older and start bringing their own kids down that the core of dedicated support increases. Had we stayed in the Premier then by now the hard core of support would have increased incrementally. Thankfully, the red nonsense is a thing of the past so if the "glory hunters" do return in their droves there won't be the same I'll feeling towards them. If we can get some of them "hooked" over a period and their kids in turn, we will have significantly increased our support base. Hopefully at the expense of the likes of Liverpool, Man Up and Chelsea etc.

Going slightly off topic 'IF' we were to get promoted this season then I could accept that our 2014 relegation was a blessing in disguise as that was the catalyst for the return to blue. A promotion in blue would be ten times better than the last one in red.

Your main point is spot on. We have been an established Championship club for 14 years and that has had a similar, if smaller effect to the one you describe above in that the wearing of City tops is more widespread now than they was in the pre-Millennium years.

Alot of people are looking at the atmosphere at ninian park with rose tinted glasses,alot of the games the noise was dreadful you could hear a pin drop on its day it was loud but so is the ccs,people and the way we play helps the atmosphere this season its been great

Spot on. Those who turned up once in a blue moon for big cup ties, the Jacks or promotion parties might have witnessed NP at it's best but for the most it part it was more dead than CCS is now.

The truth hurts but if we want to solve this then we must tackle the elephant in the room so to speak. The only thing to survive from NP is the fans the same ones which made the atmosphere crap 90% of the time there. We are the Peter Whittingham's of club football fans brilliant beyond our capability on our day, but go missing for 4 out of 5 games. Even when we score we aren't that good, there will be one loud chant on Laaaaaaa City! and then total silence as no-one knows what to follow it up with.

What is missing is the passion which comes shining through in droves when we are on our game, along with some new novel songs (can't remember the last one which wasn't nicked off another club). Whatever the reason for this lack of passion (and I'm sure there are loads of theories) it is time for a group of fans to get hold of the problem and start injecting some. Being top of the league with 5 wins out of 5 seems like a great time start.

Again, absolutely right.
Regarding the "missing passion", is it really too difficult to rectify? For example, didn't Crystal Palace have a similar fan based problem a few years ago, until a group of their fans got together & started up that "Ultra" stuff???

Good point we really need an 'Ultra' style fan group to inject some missing passion back into CCS.

Alot of people are looking at the atmosphere at ninian park with rose tinted glasses,alot of the games the noise was dreadful you could hear a pin drop on its day it was loud but so is the ccs,people and the way we play helps the atmosphere this season its been great

Spot on. Those who turned up once in a blue moon for big cup ties, the Jacks or promotion parties might have witnessed NP at it's best but for the most it part it was more dead than CCS is now.

The truth hurts but if we want to solve this then we must tackle the elephant in the room so to speak. The only thing to survive from NP is the fans the same ones which made the atmosphere crap 90% of the time there. We are the Peter Whittingham's of club football fans brilliant beyond our capability on our day, but go missing for 4 out of 5 games. Even when we score we aren't that good, there will be one loud chant on Laaaaaaa City! and then total silence as no-one knows what to follow it up with.

What is missing is the passion which comes shining through in droves when we are on our game, along with some new novel songs (can't remember the last one which wasn't nicked off another club). Whatever the reason for this lack of passion (and I'm sure there are loads of theories) it is time for a group of fans to get hold of the problem and start injecting some. Being top of the league with 5 wins out of 5 seems like a great time start.

Again, absolutely right.
Regarding the "missing passion", is it really too difficult to rectify? For example, didn't Crystal Palace have a similar fan based problem a few years ago, until a group of their fans got together & started up that "Ultra" stuff???

Good point we really need an 'Ultra' style fan group to inject some missing passion back into CCS.

i agree maybe a meet up point to spark the atmosphere before the game for instance the ninian pub was a great place to get the fans going after it got closed down it had a effect on how in touch the fans in the same stands were