' Fans forgiven Tan ? '

Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

Saturday 2nd September 2017


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUFql_DHl78

Or have most of us Cardiff City fans done that already?

By Aled Blake(Media Wales)

NO/NEVER
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Saturday 2nd September 2017



It was scarf night against Brighton in 2013 that I reached my personal Tan-regime nadir.

The Cardiff City Stadium was full of red thanks to the free scarves handed out to supporters as they entered the ground. I refused one and sat solemnly through the match, watching us lose 2-0 and looking at my fellow Bluebirds, wondering what had happened to this grand old club.

We were a winning side that season. But I couldn’t help but feel a nagging sense of sadness, even when thousands swarmed the pitch to celebrate promotion that Tuesday night against Charlton.

And I knew who I blamed for that discomfort.

I’d taken a pragmatic approach to red – reasoning that we’d eventually return to blue and I’d be there, way after Vincent Tan had gone, to see that day.

In the meantime, going down the City was still going down the City. I just had to put up with the, erm, Bluebirds turning out in colours Manchester United or Liverpool would feel more at home wearing.

For all the pragmatism, the red thing felt weird – improper.

When fans chanted at us “You’ve sold your history”, I’d inwardly clap them, thinking to myself “Well yes, we have”.

But success and the chance to see Cardiff City in Premier League was enough to keep me and many others shamefully silent.



It remained a debate in the family between my brother, father and me: was all this worth it if we get to see City in the Prem? But for me, that’s where it began and ended.

I understood the feelings of those fans who’d turned their backs on the club, who viewed those of us who still went down as scabs – though I disagreed with their actions as much as they disagreed with mine.

Tan had come to us with a deal: I’ll turn your club red, in exchange for the kind of success you’ve been crying out for decades.

We’d swallowed that red pill, some more reluctantly than others, and success was the reward.

We won the Championship, only the third time in the history of the club that we’d won a league outright.



I speak as someone who went on the marches against Peter Ridsdale – but has always loyal to the team: I’ve never booed a player, nor a performance – no matter how dire. Having watched City since the mid-80s, that includes some pretty terrible football and woeful players.

The red issue was bound to come to a head at some point, the moment things on the pitch started to go wrong.

That came in the particularly sour period when Malky Mackay and Vincent Tan were in a standoff and the fans passionately backed Mackay.

“Don’t sack Mackay,” we sang to Tan – ignorant of the allegations to come and oblivious to the irony that we’d become more impassioned and united about a manager than we were about the colours of the club.

But it was this moment which galvanised and united supporters over the colours and, ultimately, tacit reconciliation between fans and Tan.

After Mackay left, a period of particularly dire football followed and with it the appointment of arguably three of the worse Bluebirds managers ever – maybe marginally better than Russell Osman and Alan Durban. But only maybe.

With each dour Russell Slade performance, it felt as though Tan was punishing us for wanting our team to play in blue.

Every insipid game played out before ever-dwindling crowds was a statement about our place in the Cardiff City reality, and his.

Well, that’s what you could assume. What else was there to think when things seemed so bleak?

Amid a Football League transfer embargo, we had Alex Revell leading our line for goodness sake.

But perhaps all this was part of a Vincent Tan grand plan.




Because the sacking of Paul Trollope last season and the appointment of Neil Warnock has proved nothing more than a masterstroke, in public relations and football terms.


It’s academic whether it’s Tan or chairman Mehmet Dalman who can take the credit for bringing in Warnock. Because ultimately it is Tan who gave the appointment the go ahead and it is Tan who’s given Warnock freedom in the transfer market.

And what a summer transfer window we have just had, 10 new signings to bolster a team already boasting the likes of Kenneth Zohore, Bruno Manga, Sol Bamba, Aron Gunnarsson and our skipper Sean Morrison.

Warnock’s arrival at the Cardiff City Stadium is proof, if any is needed, that the most important person in a football club is its manager.

From him has come a sense of ambition and self-confidence; a realisation that we are Cardiff City and we are at our best when we’re fighting as underdogs – no pretty tiki-taka football, but gritty, determined and direct play.

With Warnock has come a passion that has been lacking since Mackay’s departure.

There is an excitement at the club that we’ve not had since our many trips to Wembley; since our Sam Hammam promotions; since the great Eddie May era.






What has all this meant for my view on Tan?

Well, he brought back the blue, invested in the team, showed commitment with the appointment of Warnock – he’s doing the things a steady-as-you-go owner does.

The fact that Kenneth Zohore remains a City player after so much speculation through the transfer window has only gone to make Tan look even more benevolent.



Neil Warnock's brought back the feel-good factor

We still have a Cardiff City Football Club to support and we still play in blue. That’s enough to be grateful for to me.

It must have been difficult for Vincent Tan coming into an alien culture so entwined and embedded in community, tribalism – colour.

How could he ever have understood how fans would feel when he changed us from royal blue to his favourite scarlet red?

So here’s my opening question again, posed slightly differently: have we forgiven Tan?

I think we probably have as we cheer such vintage football right now, even if we might not care to admit it.

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For me the stripping of our Identity which to me is everything, NO i Can not forgive Vincent Tan and rem Tan laughed in our faces.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUFql_DHl78


We are all allowed our feelings/belief and opinions and for me Tan in some ways destroyed our club to many

The Rebrand tore our once Proud Club to pieces.


We will not proceed with the proposed change of colour and logo, and the team will continue to play in blue at home for the coming season with the current badge – Cardiff City statement – 10th May 2012

oh great..ANOTHER shit stirring rebrand article from Wales online.

oh great..ANOTHER shit stirring rebrand article from Wales online.

I am with you on that and don't forget they never once stood up for Cardiff City's identity, they were totally two faced

Media Wales have Non stop shit stirred about Tan/Red etc and yet we are doing amazing on the pitch.

They should be concentrating on getting our fans back on board and supporting our team which is what matters most

For me the stripping of our Identity which to me is everything, NO i Can not forgive Vincent Tan and rem Tan laughed in our faces.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUFql_DHl78


We are all allowed our feelings/belief and opinions and for me Tan in some ways destroyed our club to many

The Rebrand tore our once Proud Club to pieces.


We will not proceed with the proposed change of colour and logo, and the team will continue to play in blue at home for the coming season with the current badge – Cardiff City statement – 10th May 2012

Isn't it time you forgive and forget annis ? You got to see the good he and the club are doing now ,you forgave Sam ?

Vast majority of fans couldn't give a jot about tan same as all other owners we have had in our history! Fans concern is the team and how well they are doing, as for being forgiven unless you consider changing shirt colour a personal attack on yourself no one has anything to forgive anyone for tan or fans alike.

oh great..ANOTHER shit stirring rebrand article from Wales online.

Spot on, it's been done to death. Wales on line seem determined to get rid of the positive feeling around the club.

And no haven't forgiven him but and never will but have moved on and can he going forward the club is in a good place.

For me the stripping of our Identity which to me is everything, NO i Can not forgive Vincent Tan and rem Tan laughed in our faces.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUFql_DHl78


We are all allowed our feelings/belief and opinions and for me Tan in some ways destroyed our club to many

The Rebrand tore our once Proud Club to pieces.


We will not proceed with the proposed change of colour and logo, and the team will continue to play in blue at home for the coming season with the current badge – Cardiff City statement – 10th May 2012

Isn't it time you forgive and forget annis ? You got to see the good he and the club are doing now ,you forgave Sam ?

NO and thats how I feel Wez and I should be Respected for it,like when I stayed BLUE

As to Sam, he also was told to his face the stuff I did not like that he did

For me the stripping of our Identity which to me is everything, NO i Can not forgive Vincent Tan and rem Tan laughed in our faces.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUFql_DHl78


We are all allowed our feelings/belief and opinions and for me Tan in some ways destroyed our club to many

The Rebrand tore our once Proud Club to pieces.


We will not proceed with the proposed change of colour and logo, and the team will continue to play in blue at home for the coming season with the current badge – Cardiff City statement – 10th May 2012

Isn't it time you forgive and forget annis ? You got to see the good he and the club are doing now ,you forgave Sam ?

iits you that posted this wez not Annis.

For me the stripping of our Identity which to me is everything, NO i Can not forgive Vincent Tan and rem Tan laughed in our faces.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUFql_DHl78


We are all allowed our feelings/belief and opinions and for me Tan in some ways destroyed our club to many

The Rebrand tore our once Proud Club to pieces.


We will not proceed with the proposed change of colour and logo, and the team will continue to play in blue at home for the coming season with the current badge – Cardiff City statement – 10th May 2012

Isn't it time you forgive and forget annis ? You got to see the good he and the club are doing now ,you forgave Sam ?

iits you that posted this wez not Annis.

Correct I was ignoring it,but once again we puts it on,then has ago at me for standing by my views/beliefs, you could not make it up

I haven't been back since the rebrand, I will probably get a lot of shit for this, but the moment he turned us red I felt something die at the club, then I was constantly told shut the f**k up and accept it or piss off and find another club, and honestly, I haven't returned since. he might have changed us back to blue, but only because he needed to get fans back in, its purely financial.

for me, no I wont forgive him, I wont forget, and hopefully one day when he sells up I can return to the club,

I haven't been back since the rebrand, I will probably get a lot of shit for this, but the moment he turned us red I felt something die at the club, then I was constantly told shut the f**k up and accept it or piss off and find another club, and honestly, I haven't returned since. he might have changed us back to blue, but only because he needed to get fans back in, its purely financial.

for me, no I wont forgive him, I wont forget, and hopefully one day when he sells up I can return to the club,

I was told to move on etc and I have not spoken to those turncoats since.

YOU SHOULD BE TOTALLY RESPECTED FOR YOUR STANCE & NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO TELL ANOTHER PERSON TO CHANGE THEIR OPINIONS/BELIEFS

I thought of not going back,but decided to make another stance and fight for identity from with in.

Every meeting I attended,every game I wore BLUE and every game I sang BLUE songs and our numbers increased game by game

The club at the moment is at its most positive, everyone has the feel good factor,which is brilliant.

Everyone knows Tan made a big mistake which he profoundly regrets. Because it has cost him millions personally.
He took bad advice ,with him being naive about football and its tribalism.

Now we are all in a good place ,at the moment. We have a billionaire owner ,that maybe just maybe getting interested again ?

As far has forgiving Tan , the man made a costly mistake ,which led to us being in red for just over two seasons ,out of over one hundred and twenty five years of our history.
So is it really that important in the grand scheme of things?
How many of us have made mistakes in our lives?

Holding grudges is a very bad habit and will eventually eat you up.
I've supported the City since 1968 , the highs of great European nights and the lows of watching us in the Welsh cup on a Wednesday afternoon , when there was more on the pitch than in the stands.
I've seen the City play in loads of colours even white
But it was still my City, at the end of the day.
I've never felt this good and enjoyed the football so much as now .
So if Wales on line or some individuals want to spoil my clubs feel good factor . let them try .
I think Cardiff City FC is on a start of a journey ,that will surpass anything we have seen before, also we will be playing in blue.
Which should please everyone.
Forgive but don't forget , its all part of our history

I haven't been back since the rebrand, I will probably get a lot of shit for this, but the moment he turned us red I felt something die at the club, then I was constantly told shut the f**k up and accept it or piss off and find another club, and honestly, I haven't returned since. he might have changed us back to blue, but only because he needed to get fans back in, its purely financial.

for me, no I wont forgive him, I wont forget, and hopefully one day when he sells up I can return to the club,

Completely understand your stance I have friends that feel exactly the same way. I'll never forgive him, he will never get a standing ovation from me nor will I waste my time giving him abuse.

I forgive Tan, as he made the necessary changes back to our true identity, however, I will never forgive those supporters who actually promised and used violence against their own fellow supporters who argued against the change. That is the unforgivable part in the whole sorry episode

For me the stripping of our Identity which to me is everything, NO i Can not forgive Vincent Tan and rem Tan laughed in our faces.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUFql_DHl78


We are all allowed our feelings/belief and opinions and for me Tan in some ways destroyed our club to many

The Rebrand tore our once Proud Club to pieces.


We will not proceed with the proposed change of colour and logo, and the team will continue to play in blue at home for the coming season with the current badge – Cardiff City statement – 10th May 2012

Isn't it time you forgive and forget annis ? You got to see the good he and the club are doing now ,you forgave Sam ?

I've moved on, but we've recently had a thread where multiple fans are debating whether tan is our best ever owner. It's therefore important to retain a sense of perspective, even if some fans have memories of a goldfish.

I'm more concerned about the poor running of the club and the way we've lurched from one 'long term strategy' to another within months. Many fans are back to arse licking tan just because warnock has come in and turned the football side around with excellent management. For me,an owner should be seen but not heard, and run the club without expectation of adulation. Tan is an attention seeking child who expects full adulation and does laps of honours when the team does well. If i was a player, that would piss me off no end.

The club at the moment is at its most positive, everyone has the feel good factor,which is brilliant.

Everyone knows Tan made a big mistake which he profoundly regrets. Because it has cost him millions personally.
He took bad advice ,with him being naive about football and its tribalism.

Now we are all in a good place ,at the moment. We have a billionaire owner ,that maybe just maybe getting interested again ?

As far has forgiving Tan , the man made a costly mistake ,which led to us being in red for just over two seasons ,out of over one hundred and twenty five years of our history.
So is it really that important in the grand scheme of things?
How many of us have made mistakes in our lives?

Holding grudges is a very bad habit and will eventually eat you up.
I've supported the City since 1968 , the highs of great European nights and the lows of watching us in the Welsh cup on a Wednesday afternoon , when there was more on the pitch than in the stands.
I've seen the City play in loads of colours even white
But it was still my City, at the end of the day.
I've never felt this good and enjoyed the football so much as now .
So if Wales on line or some individuals want to spoil my clubs feel good factor . let them try .
I think Cardiff City FC is on a start of a journey ,that will surpass anything we have seen before, also we will be playing in blue.
Which should please everyone.
Forgive but don't forget , its all part of our history

An excellent post Nojac, which very eloquently reflects my feelings perfectly.

No, I did not particularly like us playing in red but to me that is water under the bridge now. Not something to let gnaw at you forever more. What is the point ?

Just enjoy what we have now and think what it would be like if the club was owned by someone like Venkys'

Old news just back the boys their playing well on the pitch that's all that counts now not the bickering of fans

For me the stripping of our Identity which to me is everything, NO i Can not forgive Vincent Tan and rem Tan laughed in our faces.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUFql_DHl78


We are all allowed our feelings/belief and opinions and for me Tan in some ways destroyed our club to many

The Rebrand tore our once Proud Club to pieces.


We will not proceed with the proposed change of colour and logo, and the team will continue to play in blue at home for the coming season with the current badge – Cardiff City statement – 10th May 2012

Isn't it time you forgive and forget annis ? You got to see the good he and the club are doing now ,you forgave Sam ?

NO and thats how I feel Wez and I should be Respected for it,like when I stayed BLUE

As to Sam, he also was told to his face the stuff I did not like that he did

Annis I would fully respect your stand against the rebrand and I would also accept you were one of the leading lights in the reversal although I have always maintained and still do that nothing would have happened without relegation from the PL.

However, what I don't respect is your very vindictive attitude since the reversal. To be blunt Tan looks a far bigger man than you are because he admitted his mistake and attempted to put things right mainly by putting his hand into his own pocket to do so.

Contrast that with your constant posts of 'hate' against the man which is damaging because it could derail the feel good factor which is returning to CCFC. Put this way you may well feel 'hurt' by the rebrand and the stripping of our identity that's all well and sad, but it comes along way down my priority list which firmly has the welfare of CCFC at the top.

Please drop this crap it is done and dusted and instead keep to the good feeling around the club.

Old news just back the boys their playing well on the pitch that's all that counts now not the bickering of fans

Actually Spot on topics like this put on here and written by Media Wales are just shit stirring again.

Support the Bluebirds thats what matters now

Old news just back the boys their playing well on the pitch that's all that counts now not the bickering of fans

Exactly

For me the stripping of our Identity which to me is everything, NO i Can not forgive Vincent Tan and rem Tan laughed in our faces.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUFql_DHl78


We are all allowed our feelings/belief and opinions and for me Tan in some ways destroyed our club to many

The Rebrand tore our once Proud Club to pieces.


We will not proceed with the proposed change of colour and logo, and the team will continue to play in blue at home for the coming season with the current badge – Cardiff City statement – 10th May 2012

Isn't it time you forgive and forget annis ? You got to see the good he and the club are doing now ,you forgave Sam ?

NO and thats how I feel Wez and I should be Respected for it,like when I stayed BLUE

As to Sam, he also was told to his face the stuff I did not like that he did

Annis I would fully respect your stand against the rebrand and I would also accept you were one of the leading lights in the reversal although I have always maintained and still do that nothing would have happened without relegation from the PL.

However, what I don't respect is your very vindictive attitude since the reversal. To be blunt Tan looks a far bigger man than you are because he admitted his mistake and attempted to put things right mainly by putting his hand into his own pocket to do so.

Contrast that with your constant posts of 'hate' against the man which is damaging because it could derail the feel good factor which is returning to CCFC. Put this way you may well feel 'hurt' by the rebrand and the stripping of our identity that's all well and sad, but it comes along way down my priority list which firmly has the welfare of CCFC at the top.

Please drop this crap it is done and dusted and instead keep to the good feeling around the club.

Tony, I never wrote the article or put it out, I am not interested in starting Topics on Tan, BUT I will stand by My beliefs/Views


I have been very very positive for months

Old news just back the boys their playing well on the pitch that's all that counts now not the bickering of fans

Actually Spot on topics like this put on here and written by Media Wales are just shit stirring again.

Support the Bluebirds thats what matters now

Well said Annis come on the bluebirds

NO

I felt as bad as anyone about the rebrand and walked away. I lost 5 seasons and now Ive bought a ST and feel it's a club going the right way.

When I walked away I didn't miss it and I realise it's just a game, but it was always in my thoughts.

I think Vinny is the best owner that City have ever had and he has learnt lessons and absolutely has trust in NW, as we all do.

This club has a great future while we all pull the same way

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Lauren Ann McNie:

"But success and the chance to see Cardiff City in Premier League was enough to keep me and many others shamefully silent"
This was the main problem... the Premier League is not the be all and end all of football.

I have not forgiven Tan; I don't understand how you can forgive someone without an apology!? And he did know how we'd react as there was a massive backlash when it first surfaced about the colour change and the other guy (I forget his name... Dato Chan??) released a statement saying that they didn't realise the effect it would have so they weren't going through with it. He "leaves" the club and we turn out in red. Tan knew exactly how we'd feel but did it anyway and managed to buy a lot of fans' silence with a cheap scarf.

To quote Mr Owen how can you enjoy the highs if you never had the lows.

Will never forget what Tan did to the club the red fiasco , but will give the guy some credit for whatever his reason is or was for realising that he dropped a massive bollock .

But enjoying the present time watching the city , best football for a few years , the buzz is back .

I know it's early days but I personally think the other teams in this league are more worried about us under the guidance of warnock than we are of them.

Belt up or hold on as tightly as you can it's going to be some ride.

Blue army

Just support the team, Tan aint going to be here for ever, we are Cardiff City not him

Totally agree. I carried on supporting the team through the appalling rebrand and campaigning for a return to blue.
Tan puts money into the club in the form of loans, with 6% interest.
When he sells the club he'll want it all back.
We now have a great manager and squad and I'm looking to the future with excitement.

Never understood why MediaFails have never congruently got behind City which is their local club. Only print positive stuff when it suits them. No wonder their readership has plummeted across the board but it's Trinity Mirror so you can expect absolute guff. And their website design is truly shocking.