ITS NOW OR NEVER- SHOULD TAN LAUNCH OUT? :

A question to Cardiff fans, I read many saying do it now, some say wait till Jan, some say squad is strong enough and others say we need more cover ? ? ?


ITS NOW OR NEVER- SHOULD TAN LAUNCH OUT? :

We have an ideal situation where we have an owner with money + an outstanding manager + a very good team + excellent cover in all positions except 2 positions :

(1) Centre of midfield

(2) Dominent striker to lead the line. Having won the first 4 games we must keep the momentum. If the Committee does not push the boat NOW and change his present prudent policy (in getting cheapish bargains) then he may live to regret it?
Yes it is a risk but a good calculated one?

Is not launching out is much riskier.? Bogle is not a certain cover for Zohore - he's a risk. Halford is not adequate cover for Gunnarsson , Ralls and Damour. We can't afford to risk our season on Bogle and Halford.

Warnock bought Bogle on the old policy . Does the situation calls for a new policy and only for two proven players who can push or cover for what we have?

Tan says he has so far backed Warnock for £3mill plus Bogie.

Warnock has recently said he does still need to strengthen.

Do we wait till January? or is that to late?

REMEMBER I AM NOT SAYING SPEND OR NOT SPEND, JUST ASKING OUT OF CURIOSITY ?

OPINIONS

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Agree with the above. Give Warnock 15m and we'll get promoted, look what he's done with less than 6m.

If we can stay injury free ( which I doubt ) we have a good chance of going up.
However, we do need good cover in the middle of the park ( leadbitter type of player )
As for a striker I think we are ok ish as Ward, Tomlin & I believe NML can play up there.
I would be happier if we signed someone half decent though.

Do we really know who/what Neil Warnock has asked for this season and/or if Vincent Tan has given him what he actually wants or not?

So far, it looks like the manager is reasonably happy with his tools (excuse the expression!)

Warnock says he still wants to strengthen as not fully happy, so i say back him

A question to Cardiff fans, I read many saying do it now, some say wait till Jan, some say squad is strong enough and others say we need more cover ? ? ?


ITS NOW OR NEVER- SHOULD TAN LAUNCH OUT? :

We have an ideal situation where we have an owner with money + an outstanding manager + a very good team + excellent cover in all positions except 2 positions :

(1) Centre of midfield

(2) Dominent striker to lead the line. Having won the first 4 games we must keep the momentum. If the Committee does not push the boat NOW and change his present prudent policy (in getting cheapish bargains) then he may live to regret it?
Yes it is a risk but a good calculated one?

Is not launching out is much riskier.? Bogle is not a certain cover for Zohore - he's a risk. Halford is not adequate cover for Gunnarsson , Ralls and Damour. We can't afford to risk our season on Bogle and Halford.

Warnock bought Bogle on the old policy . Does the situation calls for a new policy and only for two proven players who can push or cover for what we have?


Tan says he has so far backed Warnock for £3mill plus Bogie.

Warnock has recently said he does still need to strengthen.

Do we wait till January? or is that to late?


REMEMBER I AM NOT SAYING SPEND OR NOT SPEND, JUST ASKING OUT OF CURIOSITY ?

OPINIONS

Of course its time with just a few days left before the window shuts,but you and i know he wont,he is still haunted by the last time he gave a manager a decent war chest,

Tan has been ridiculed by many fans over the years and has come in for a lot of abuse, yet we are happy enough to suggest he gambles millions more which in all probability he will never get back. I thought he has already told us that those days are long gone, and that the club must be self sufficient. We know just by looking at other clubs in this league that spending vast sums guarantees absolutely nothing, and I would be surprised if he is prepared to throw more money into what could be a bottomless pit.

Hang on a minute !!

The fan in me says yes but this forum has consistently complained about Tan increasing the club's debt to him and that we should be living within our means yet now they want him to spend, spend, spend

Now of course the argument is that he will only recoup his outlay if we get Premiership money but we can't keep on pressing for more spend when our current levels of crowd simply can't sustain it nor can we have a pop at VT when the books simply don't balance.

We haven't mentioned FFP but even Warnock said that we were sailing close to the wind with that and we lose the parachute payments next season.

If we want to gamble on promotion I would suggest that we need to see if we are in with a shout in January because then it is less of a gamble at that stage.

We have a decent squad, despite Tuesday's result, we just need to hang on in there and see where the next few months takes us.

I think we have to be sensible and not go mad on spending - we don't want to end up for the next 5 years scrapping around in the relegation zone and possibly league 1. However, abit more money as in another 3 mill would be good just to top up at the squad and add a another quality player to it. Perhaps January would be a good time to spend it though. We can assess the injury situation and league position by then and really make a strong finish.

I'd be happy enough with a loan to cover CM and then see where we stand in January.
Yes we all would like £15m to splash but we still need to be realistic,we still got debt.I think we need to get relatively debt free if and when we go up.

this is still a squad for me thatll be fighting for the top 6 despite the start weve had.


we dont need wholesale investment at this point. Warnock has been sensible and what hes doing has paid off so far. lets just keep it going

I'm quite happy that Warnock and Tan , have built up a sort of trust between them.
I think if Warnock went to Tan and asked for a little more money ( who knows if he has or hasn't) I think Tan would back him. After all he said he wanted £6m in the close season , to mount a promotion push. So if I'm right he's only spent about £4m , so who knows we may have one more to come in ?????

I'm quite happy that Warnock and Tan , have built up a sort of trust between them.
I think if Warnock went to Tan and asked for a little more money ( who knows if he has or hasn't) I think Tan would back him. After all he said he wanted £6m in the close season , to mount a promotion push. So if I'm right he's only spent about £4m , so who knows we may have one more to come in ?????

I think NW has done a fantastic job during this transfer window and when you compare it to last summer it's at a completely different level, bargain signings or not. The players we have signed, in my opinion, will see us in a stronger position for next season when the parachute payments end and, we now have a squad of players worth £m's but not costing £m's in wages.

We all agree that NW still has a job on his hands shipping out 5 or so players to reduce the wage bill and if he does that then we may not have to wait until January to see further signings. I would bet NW is already looking at current free agents and of course we could sign them after the window closes.

However if we are still in the mix come January then that may well be the time to take a risk on signing or player or two, but only if we are in the mix otherwise just go with what we have.

A centre midfielder should be priority and if there's any room to play with while staying inline with FFP then another striker should be next in line.

I think NW has done a fantastic job during this transfer window and when you compare it to last summer it's at a completely different level, bargain signings or not. The players we have signed, in my opinion, will see us in a stronger position for next season when the parachute payments end and, we now have a squad of players worth £m's but not costing £m's in wages.

We all agree that NW still has a job on his hands shipping out 5 or so players to reduce the wage bill and if he does that then we may not have to wait until January to see further signings. I would bet NW is already looking at current free agents and of course we could sign them after the window closes.

However if we are still in the mix come January then that may well be the time to take a risk on signing or player or two, but only if we are in the mix otherwise just go with what we have.

Spot on (as usual) Gary

Why would we need to spend £15m?! Look at the teams who've spent big money there not exactly setting the league alight.

He's only said he'd like a CM - or two, so I do t see why Warnock won't find someone he fancies on a loan or for a few quid.

He's old school he's a wheeler dealer, he knows how to inject some belief in faultering players- also why rock the boat with a player/s who cost mega bucks eapecially at this point of the season - could upset the apple cart.

For me I say - Warnock I believe in your choices spend what you think you need to spend.

Why would we need to spend £15m?! Look at the teams who've spent big money there not exactly setting the league alight.

He's only said he'd like a CM - or two, so I do t see why Warnock won't find someone he fancies on a loan or for a few quid.

He's old school he's a wheeler dealer, he knows how to inject some belief in faultering players- also why rock the boat with a player/s who cost mega bucks eapecially at this point of the season - could upset the apple cart.

For me I say - Warnock I believe in your choices spend what you think you need to spend.

I'm happy with the current squad as I think we'll make the plays offs.
what I meant was if Warnock did have about 15m to spend then he'd do a lot more with that than other team have done with more. It would be nice to have but its not 100% required.

I think NW has done a fantastic job during this transfer window and when you compare it to last summer it's at a completely different level, bargain signings or not. The players we have signed, in my opinion, will see us in a stronger position for next season when the parachute payments end and, we now have a squad of players worth £m's but not costing £m's in wages.

We all agree that NW still has a job on his hands shipping out 5 or so players to reduce the wage bill and if he does that then we may not have to wait until January to see further signings. I would bet NW is already looking at current free agents and of course we could sign them after the window closes.

However if we are still in the mix come January then that may well be the time to take a risk on signing or player or two, but only if we are in the mix otherwise just go with what we have.

Spot on (as usual) Gary

I agree lads,Tan making any sort of announcement would inflate the price tag of anyone we went after,anyway,what has spending millions done for Villa,Wolves-nothing yet.

The club and Warnock have done such a good job this window that I would entirely leave the decision up to them. My personal opinion is that you can't second guess every event. Tuesday night wasn't really an indicator of our strength in depth because we made 10 changes and the performance was disjointed because of that.

That said having Manga, Richards, Tomlin, Connelly and Murphy in reserve is no bad thing plus Ward and Bogle may still come through.

I guess it may depend on whether he can move the likes of John, Noone,etc out of the club to get them off the wage bill and then he might be allowed a couple of late signings ?


Unless of course Mr. Tan is impressed by the current progress made by Warnock to authorise another signing ?

No not at all, finally the club is working it's way back to financial stability. I'm dream of that day.

Splashing the cash didn't work last time it merely increased our debt.

The point with Warnock is he can get the best out of not necessarily top level players, so given that why the need to spend heavy?

Obviously we need reinforcements but there's no way we could justify spending upto 10 million on 2 subs! Look at the trouble we are still in!

Money doesn't guarantee anything, if anything a few expensive signings could ruin the harmony of the squad.

Im happy with what we got, ideally another CM and a left back with about 4 or 5 going out but I certainly hope we don't just chuck money at it because of a good start to the season, that would be as drastic as righting off all the players who played and lost in the cup.

Its not now or never either, that's a very short sited way to be running the club, almost the kind of thing the Riddler would tell people every week

It is just my humble opinion of course but I believe that Tan's only goal is to get to promoted on the cheap if he can without spending millions, good chance he can do that under NW and once back in PL he will sell probably to some one like the yanks, a nice Russian Oligarch would be nice but highly unlikely.

I think his whole aim is to get to the PL to be able to sell and either recoup his outlay or get damn close to it. Will he chuck another 15Mil in the kitty for NW to spend, maybe he is waiting as a shrewd businessman to see what position we are in at Christmas before he dives in and chucks more money at it.

Either way I believe that if we start losing things may change rapidly, I think we can actually win this league with ease the way we have been playing but will VT put more money in? Only time will tell.

All we need is back to step in when our first team players are injured.

That does not need to be expensive buys but guy who want to prove something and are willing to wait their chance.

I honestly wouldn't be too disheartened if no one else came in - the side is capable of challenging top 6 as it is in my opinion.

However, if there was to be a late addition to the team like most on here I think centre mid would be the one place i'd prioritise and then after that a striker - but I think it very unlikely we'll see two come in.

Our first 11 is up there with the best in the division, so who ever comes in needs to be prepared to play second fiddle and fight their way into the team. There's not a lot of players floating around in that bracket so I think it's a case of if the planets align and something fallinto place then we might see someone come in, but there won't be any panick signings this tiome around - which is good.

Of all the players we've been linked with over the window for me it's only Max Power at Wigan that I think fits that bill - in terms of being young, hungry, has the potential but would be happy taking a step up and wouldn't expect to go straight into the first 11.

Ledley being without a club still means there could be a deal done if he and his family want to come home, and I do think realise could bring some depth to the midfield as well as experience and also without a proper pre-season he must surely he wouldn't be assured of a first team place upon arrival , so would have to accept playing second fiddle behind Ralls, Damour and Gunners.

So I do think that it could be a good move for both parties if the money is sensible - we don't want another Gabbs, Earnie, Koumas etc situation with an ex player coming back for nostalgia reasons and to pick up a final pay packet - but ultimately I do think Joe may still have something to offer certainly at this level and could be available on a cut price deal.

Also, I'm not sure what us sending Meite on loan means either - has Warnock got someone lined up so is happy to let him go?

Or does he think that with Zohore, Mendez Lang, Hoillett, Ward, and Tomlin offer enough up front with Kads and Healy set to return to to the fold as well we've got enough fire power up front already?

Finally, one very good thing with the squad now is that there are an awful lot of players capable of playing in different positions - off the top of my head:

Halford (Centre Half, Full Back Centre Mid)
Gunnarson (holding midfielder, attacking midfielder - remember his first couple of seasons under Malky when he had a knack for popping up in the areaand scoring - think he got about 8 the season we went up, right back)
Mendez Lang(wing, striker),
Ward (wing, striker)
Manga (centre back, holding midfielder, right back, and err Striker under Trollope?!)
Peltier (centre half, right back, left back),
Bamba (centre half, holding midfielder)
Ralls (centre midfielder, left back),
Tomlin (striker, attacking midfielder)
Patterson (left back, wing - I think?)
Richards (left back, right back and midfield - according to him at least!)
Connelly (Centre half, right back)

Plus I reckon you could play Zohore anywhere on the pitch and he nail it right now the form he's on and the confidence the lad has!

With that much flexibility in the side there are an awful lot of options even if we have a nasty run of injuries.

Good times!