Football Lads Alliance Poll

Really this is a poll for those that would consider marching in October against extremism. The last March was a massive success with massive numbers,

What exactly is the march aiming to achieve? March against extremism seems about as vague as something along the lines of 'March Against murder'... No aims or goals just an excuse for us to get aggy and drink beer.. Hope to be corrected on this but can't see what points we are trying to get across exactly

I have watched the videos but what extremism are we looking at......Irish extremism(both sides), White extremism or is it just Islamic extremism?

What exactly is the march aiming to achieve? March against extremism seems about as vague as something along the lines of 'March Against murder'... No aims or goals just an excuse for us to get aggy and drink beer.. Hope to be corrected on this but can't see what points we are trying to get across exactly

I am happy to march united with other football fans against extremists... Islamist's AND other forms of extremism such as Anne-Marie Waters (who is trying to push UKIP to an even further far right position) and Marine" Le Pen who is pushing an extreme right wing agenda in France, thankfully defeated for now though.

However, wonder if a march against extremism is really going to make a difference.

Marching with Mulsims against extremists in their and our own communities would be better.

I would advise everyone to read Souad Mekhennet’s “I Was Told to Come Alone: My Journey Behind the Lines of Jihad” - unbelievable insight into the Jihadists and their thinking and demonstrates that the issue we are dealing with is not about religion but about foreign policy responses (perceived or otherwise) and ideology.

Also BBC world has been running a piece on how the UK authorities have been negligent in allowing hate groups to get away with hate preaching tracking hate groups and how the authorities ignored them or wrote key clerics and preachers off without realizing they were inspiring a generation of young Muslim men to become extremists. It is clear that successive governments have failed to take these small but influential groups seriously.









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Easy to blame successive governments but as soon as these groups are blocked it the bloody do-gooders spouting the Racist card and ethnic minority suppression

ps, personally think a march would turn into a bloodbath between rival clubs as the ale would set and old wounds would reopen then those marching would all end up being called right wing thugs by the gutter press.

Easy to blame successive governments but as soon as these groups are blocked it the bloody do-gooders spouting the Racist card and ethnic minority suppression

Well the BBC documentary included people who have been at the forefront on fighting terrorism and commented that the government has been neglectful. There are very few examples of where 'do gooders' have spouted the racist card where there has been an attempt to shut these groups down where there is evidence of promoting terrorism violence.

You'd have to have a fairly clear mix of protestors, ethnicity wise, families, older fans, women etc sonot wasn't reported as a hooligan type thing.
Also would you have to march directly with rival fans? Or would the organisers mix it up with other fans of none rival clubs? Having said the latter everyone is a rival and it could get out of hand no matter who you marched with

Marching with Mulsims against extremists in their and our own communities would be better.

I would advise everyone to read Souad Mekhennet’s “I Was Told to Come Alone: My Journey Behind the Lines of Jihad” - unbelievable insight into the Jihadists and their thinking and demonstrates that the issue we are dealing with is not about religion but about foreign policy responses (perceived or otherwise) and ideology.

Also BBC world has been running a piece on how the UK authorities have been negligent in allowing hate groups to get away with hate preaching tracking hate groups and how the authorities ignored them or wrote key clerics and preachers off without realizing they were inspiring a generation of young Muslim men to become extremists. It is clear that successive governments have failed to take these small but influential groups seriously.

The one thing which definitely has to be challenged is this culture of blame and finger pointing by Muslims to justify the actions of extremist. Blaming the West's Foreign Policy is so pathetic it defies belief. After 9/11 just what did Muslim's expect the USA and her allies to do? Of course they had to strike back at unstable countries in the middle east where Muslim extremism has its epicentre.

The Muslim world cried out for intervention in Libya and Syria on humanitarian grounds then when the west did they started crying Imperialism and let off bombs at pop concerts. The fact is no-one wants 'Muslim Lands' and there has never been a stream of westerners risking their lives by crossing seas in unstable boats just so they can live in Afghanistan or any other Muslim country.

Muslim extremism is not the fault of the west, the BBC or our military. It is the total and utter failure of Muslims to build a proper civilisation and define themselves in a global community. It is time to stop pacifying them and giving them narratives to put the blame else where. Instead they should start taking collective responsibility to put right the damage their religion is doing to the world.

Easy to blame successive governments but as soon as these groups are blocked it the bloody do-gooders spouting the Racist card and ethnic minority suppression

Well the BBC documentary included people who have been at the forefront on fighting terrorism and commented that the government has been neglectful. There are very few examples of where 'do gooders' have spouted the racist card where there has been an attempt to shut these groups down where there is evidence of promoting terrorism violence.

With respect one BBC documentary is not a trump card and doesn't prove anything it is only the opinion of the documentary maker who no doubt harbours extreme left-wing views. At the very least there should be another documentary shown where the Government(s) are given a right of reply before anyone makes their minds up.

Easy to blame successive governments but as soon as these groups are blocked it the bloody do-gooders spouting the Racist card and ethnic minority suppression

Well the BBC documentary included people who have been at the forefront on fighting terrorism and commented that the government has been neglectful. There are very few examples of where 'do gooders' have spouted the racist card where there has been an attempt to shut these groups down where there is evidence of promoting terrorism violence.

With respect one BBC documentary is not a trump card and doesn't prove anything it is only the opinion of the documentary maker who no doubt harbours extreme left-wing views. At the very least there should be another documentary shown where the Government(s) are given a right of reply before anyone makes their minds up.

"Extreme left-wing views" for reporting that this government, and the previous labour government were negligent in not addressing hate preachers?

Marching with Mulsims against extremists in their and our own communities would be better.

I would advise everyone to read Souad Mekhennet’s “I Was Told to Come Alone: My Journey Behind the Lines of Jihad” - unbelievable insight into the Jihadists and their thinking and demonstrates that the issue we are dealing with is not about religion but about foreign policy responses (perceived or otherwise) and ideology.

Also BBC world has been running a piece on how the UK authorities have been negligent in allowing hate groups to get away with hate preaching tracking hate groups and how the authorities ignored them or wrote key clerics and preachers off without realizing they were inspiring a generation of young Muslim men to become extremists. It is clear that successive governments have failed to take these small but influential groups seriously.

The one thing which definitely has to be challenged is this culture of blame and finger pointing by Muslims to justify the actions of extremist. Blaming the West's Foreign Policy is so pathetic it defies belief. After 9/11 just what did Muslim's expect the USA and her allies to do? Of course they had to strike back at unstable countries in the middle east where Muslim extremism has its epicentre.

The Muslim world cried out for intervention in Libya and Syria on humanitarian grounds then when the west did they started crying Imperialism and let off bombs at pop concerts. The fact is no-one wants 'Muslim Lands' and there has never been a stream of westerners risking their lives by crossing seas in unstable boats just so they can live in Afghanistan or any other Muslim country.

Muslim extremism is not the fault of the west, the BBC or our military. It is the total and utter failure of Muslims to build a proper civilisation and define themselves in a global community. It is time to stop pacifying them and giving them narratives to put the blame else where. Instead they should start taking collective responsibility to put right the damage their religion is doing to the world.

I'm not agreeing with them - but many leaders of the jihadist cite the wests foreign policy as the reason why they are actively involved in terrorism and nothing to do with islam.

However I think that you cannot say that it is the failure of Muslims to build a proper society, there are many examples over the world where mulsims live in and have created a proper society. I work in many countries with high proportions of mulsims and its insulting to say they are not 'proper;

But we have to reflect on things in a holistic manner.

I do agree there needs to be more reflection and self policing among some Muslim communities where hate preachers are operating.

What exactly is the march aiming to achieve? March against extremism seems about as vague as something along the lines of 'March Against murder'... No aims or goals just an excuse for us to get aggy and drink beer.. Hope to be corrected on this but can't see what points we are trying to get across exactly

I am happy to march united with other football fans against extremists... Islamist's AND other forms of extremism such as Anne-Marie Waters (who is trying to push UKIP to an even further far right position) and Marine" Le Pen who is pushing an extreme right wing agenda in France, thankfully defeated for now though.

However, wonder if a march against extremism is really going to make a difference.

Marching with Mulsims against extremists in their and our own communities would be better.

I would advise everyone to read Souad Mekhennet’s “I Was Told to Come Alone: My Journey Behind the Lines of Jihad” - unbelievable insight into the Jihadists and their thinking and demonstrates that the issue we are dealing with is not about religion but about foreign policy responses (perceived or otherwise) and ideology.

Also BBC world has been running a piece on how the UK authorities have been negligent in allowing hate groups to get away with hate preaching tracking hate groups and how the authorities ignored them or wrote key clerics and preachers off without realizing they were inspiring a generation of young Muslim men to become extremists. It is clear that successive governments have failed to take these small but influential groups seriously.

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Mate firstly i'm going to look into the book you mention as it seems an interesting read.

But you really do very little for your arguments when you throw out exaggerations like you have done here...

Anne-Marie Waters is by no means an extremist, yes she holds an anti Sharia (note not necessarily anti muslim) view point but pointing out practices that run in violation to the law in this country yet still go unpunished (e.g. FGM, Underage Marriage, Threats of honour killings, sharia arbitrations on domestic violence etc) doesn't make her an extremist.

Similarly, Marine Le Pen's economic policies were essentially centre left even including very socialist notion's such as privatizing failing companies like Whirlpool. She was undeniably anti-immigration but that is not necessarily a right/left wing stance per se as arguments can be made for immigration by the right wing (open borders driving lower cost of labour down for example)

She was i'd agree more anti-islam than any UK politician has been to date. But again this was directed against the political side of Islam - which if it were not for the religious entanglement would be easily defined as a totalitarian ideology with clear parallels to Italian Facisim and German National Socialism of the 1930s and 40s.

I accept that understanding of what left/right have become totally misunderstood, but again defining Le Pen as extreme right is just incorrect.

Her father was far right, but she annexed him from the party and brought them heavily towards the centre on large swathes of her policies, she even left the FN as she stood for election so she could be based on policies not previous assertions.

I may not agree with her -a lot of her fiscal policies were quite frankly barmy and her anti-islam rhetoric did seem at best clumsy and overly generic in dealing with what is a distinctly complex and nuanced matter that requires deft understanding and political skill to manage (probably why no one has done so yet) but I do believe in calling a spade a spade, she is definitely not extreme right.

Right wing yes, far right not really to be honest but a lot of the MSM will use that label so I can understand why people for make that mistake, but extreme right - definitely not.

Also just an aside but given that the Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic defines Jihad as amongst other things a holy war (against the infidels, as a religious duty)" then it makes little sense to claim that Jihad is nothing to do with religion and only a result of foreign policies.

Your final point about the march itself though is a good one - it is a March against all extremist violence - so against the Manchester and London attacks including the attack against muslims at Finsbury Park Mosque.

It would be fantastic for Muslim's to join this march to show that they are opposed to the extreme acts committed in the name of their God. Sadly I don't think it will happen though.

What exactly is the march aiming to achieve? March against extremism seems about as vague as something along the lines of 'March Against murder'... No aims or goals just an excuse for us to get aggy and drink beer.. Hope to be corrected on this but can't see what points we are trying to get across exactly

No drinking, flags or chanting were allowed on the first march and it went down very peacefully.

You're right in that it does seem a vague heading - surely every sane person is against extremism?

For me it's seems to me about forcing the political elite to pay more attention and act more in light of the fact that attacks both by and now against muslims are the direct result of consistent policies that were essentially brushing the continuing rise of fundamental Islamism within the UK and sticking their fingers in their ears when people pointed out that this could become a problem.

What exactly is the march aiming to achieve? March against extremism seems about as vague as something along the lines of 'March Against murder'... No aims or goals just an excuse for us to get aggy and drink beer.. Hope to be corrected on this but can't see what points we are trying to get across exactly

I am happy to march united with other football fans against extremists... Islamist's AND other forms of extremism such as Anne-Marie Waters (who is trying to push UKIP to an even further far right position) and Marine" Le Pen who is pushing an extreme right wing agenda in France, thankfully defeated for now though.

However, wonder if a march against extremism is really going to make a difference.

Marching with Mulsims against extremists in their and our own communities would be better.

I would advise everyone to read Souad Mekhennet’s “I Was Told to Come Alone: My Journey Behind the Lines of Jihad” - unbelievable insight into the Jihadists and their thinking and demonstrates that the issue we are dealing with is not about religion but about foreign policy responses (perceived or otherwise) and ideology.

Also BBC world has been running a piece on how the UK authorities have been negligent in allowing hate groups to get away with hate preaching tracking hate groups and how the authorities ignored them or wrote key clerics and preachers off without realizing they were inspiring a generation of young Muslim men to become extremists. It is clear that successive governments have failed to take these small but influential groups seriously.

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Mate firstly i'm going to look into the book you mention as it seems an interesting read.

But you really do very little for your arguments when you throw out exaggerations like you have done here...

Anne-Marie Waters is by no means an extremist, yes she holds an anti Sharia (note not necessarily anti muslim) view point but pointing out practices that run in violation to the law in this country yet still go unpunished (e.g. FGM, Underage Marriage, Threats of honour killings, sharia arbitrations on domestic violence etc) doesn't make her an extremist.

Similarly, Marine Le Pen's economic policies were essentially centre left even including very socialist notion's such as privatizing failing companies like Whirlpool. She was undeniably anti-immigration but that is not necessarily a right/left wing stance per se as arguments can be made for immigration by the right wing (open borders driving lower cost of labour down for example)

She was i'd agree more anti-islam than any UK politician has been to date. But again this was directed against the political side of Islam - which if it were not for the religious entanglement would be easily defined as a totalitarian ideology with clear parallels to Italian Facisim and German National Socialism of the 1930s and 40s.

I accept that understanding of what left/right have become totally misunderstood, but again defining Le Pen as extreme right is just incorrect.

Her father was far right, but she annexed him from the party and brought them heavily towards the centre on large swathes of her policies, she even left the FN as she stood for election so she could be based on policies not previous assertions.

I may not agree with her -a lot of her fiscal policies were quite frankly barmy and her anti-islam rhetoric did seem at best clumsy and overly generic in dealing with what is a distinctly complex and nuanced matter that requires deft understanding and political skill to manage (probably why no one has done so yet) but I do believe in calling a spade a spade, she is definitely not extreme right.

Right wing yes, far right not really to be honest but a lot of the MSM will use that label so I can understand why people for make that mistake, but extreme right - definitely not.

Also just an aside but given that the Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic defines Jihad as amongst other things a holy war (against the infidels, as a religious duty)" then it makes little sense to claim that Jihad is nothing to do with religion and only a result of foreign policies.

Your final point about the march itself though is a good one - it is a March against all extremist violence - so against the Manchester and London attacks including the attack against muslims at Finsbury Park Mosque.

It would be fantastic for Muslim's to join this march to show that they are opposed to the extreme acts committed in the name of their God. Sadly I don't think it will happen though.

ealing_ayatollah, you make some great points very eloquently.

It is a great book. The author was extremely brave in confronting the Jihadists and interestingly that most of them were raised in the west and educated in some of the best colleges in Europe.

Muslims are standing up against extremism in their own communities and in fact the police say that most leads on potential terrorists come from within the Muslim communities.

Look at whom Le Penn and Ann marie waters have shared platforms with and are in cahoots with in the recent past- holocaust deniers, blatant racists... Nicolai Sennels, Lars Hedegaard, Ingrid Carlqvist, Alan Ayling. So while they have softened their public stances their roots are very much in a far right movement and due to this I think they are dangerous.

The one thing which definitely has to be challenged is this culture of blame and finger pointing by Muslims to justify the actions of extremist. Blaming the West's Foreign Policy is so pathetic it defies belief. After 9/11 just what did Muslim's expect the USA and her allies to do? Of course they had to strike back at unstable countries in the middle east where Muslim extremism has its epicentre.

Vast majority of muslims in the middle east have little involvement in politics and international relations you know, it's not like all the muslims got together and had a vote on whether or not to carry out 9/11.

If a group of nutters from the UK carried out an attack which you had no knowledge of, would you then think it was justified for a foreign country to bomb your family home and kill your wife and kids? or would you seek revenge on the people that killed your family?

Easy to blame successive governments but as soon as these groups are blocked it the bloody do-gooders spouting the Racist card and ethnic minority suppression

Well the BBC documentary included people who have been at the forefront on fighting terrorism and commented that the government has been neglectful. There are very few examples of where 'do gooders' have spouted the racist card where there has been an attempt to shut these groups down where there is evidence of promoting terrorism violence.

With respect one BBC documentary is not a trump card and doesn't prove anything it is only the opinion of the documentary maker who no doubt harbours extreme left-wing views. At the very least there should be another documentary shown where the Government(s) are given a right of reply before anyone makes their minds up.

The BBCs obsession with political correctness prevented anyone questioning the spread of Islamic fundamentalism in the UK for fear of being branded racist.

The one thing which definitely has to be challenged is this culture of blame and finger pointing by Muslims to justify the actions of extremist. Blaming the West's Foreign Policy is so pathetic it defies belief. After 9/11 just what did Muslim's expect the USA and her allies to do? Of course they had to strike back at unstable countries in the middle east where Muslim extremism has its epicentre.

Vast majority of muslims in the middle east have little involvement in politics and international relations you know, it's not like all the muslims got together and had a vote on whether or not to carry out 9/11.

If a group of nutters from the UK carried out an attack which you had no knowledge of, would you then think it was justified for a foreign country to bomb your family home and kill your wife and kids? or would you seek revenge on the people that killed your family?

Really the Yanks should have nuked Saudi.

All the candle burning, sing songs and facebook profile pictures with "one love " and all that bollocks from the world peace head in the clouds types wont change a thing nore will a march imo. Only the jellyfish backs in power can change it but they will not due to the old " racist " card for trying to stop these extremists ( sounds insane huh ) The truth is we will carry on reguardless with more attacks in the near future no doubt. sad but these are the FACTS

The one thing which definitely has to be challenged is this culture of blame and finger pointing by Muslims to justify the actions of extremist. Blaming the West's Foreign Policy is so pathetic it defies belief. After 9/11 just what did Muslim's expect the USA and her allies to do? Of course they had to strike back at unstable countries in the middle east where Muslim extremism has its epicentre.

Vast majority of muslims in the middle east have little involvement in politics and international relations you know, it's not like all the muslims got together and had a vote on whether or not to carry out 9/11.

If a group of nutters from the UK carried out an attack which you had no knowledge of, would you then think it was justified for a foreign country to bomb your family home and kill your wife and kids? or would you seek revenge on the people that killed your family?

revenge is ok..?.as long as its not us taking revenge?
i think you under estimate the size of this group of nutters..and the suport they have

What exactly is the march aiming to achieve? March against extremism seems about as vague as something along the lines of 'March Against murder'... No aims or goals just an excuse for us to get aggy and drink beer.. Hope to be corrected on this but can't see what points we are trying to get across exactly

I am happy to march united with other football fans against extremists... Islamist's AND other forms of extremism such as Anne-Marie Waters (who is trying to push UKIP to an even further far right position) and Marine" Le Pen who is pushing an extreme right wing agenda in France, thankfully defeated for now though.

However, wonder if a march against extremism is really going to make a difference.

Marching with Mulsims against extremists in their and our own communities would be better.

I would advise everyone to read Souad Mekhennet’s “I Was Told to Come Alone: My Journey Behind the Lines of Jihad” - unbelievable insight into the Jihadists and their thinking and demonstrates that the issue we are dealing with is not about religion but about foreign policy responses (perceived or otherwise) and ideology.

Also BBC world has been running a piece on how the UK authorities have been negligent in allowing hate groups to get away with hate preaching tracking hate groups and how the authorities ignored them or wrote key clerics and preachers off without realizing they were inspiring a generation of young Muslim men to become extremists. It is clear that successive governments have failed to take these small but influential groups seriously.

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Mate firstly i'm going to look into the book you mention as it seems an interesting read.

But you really do very little for your arguments when you throw out exaggerations like you have done here...

Anne-Marie Waters is by no means an extremist, yes she holds an anti Sharia (note not necessarily anti muslim) view point but pointing out practices that run in violation to the law in this country yet still go unpunished (e.g. FGM, Underage Marriage, Threats of honour killings, sharia arbitrations on domestic violence etc) doesn't make her an extremist.

Similarly, Marine Le Pen's economic policies were essentially centre left even including very socialist notion's such as privatizing failing companies like Whirlpool. She was undeniably anti-immigration but that is not necessarily a right/left wing stance per se as arguments can be made for immigration by the right wing (open borders driving lower cost of labour down for example)

She was i'd agree more anti-islam than any UK politician has been to date. But again this was directed against the political side of Islam - which if it were not for the religious entanglement would be easily defined as a totalitarian ideology with clear parallels to Italian Facisim and German National Socialism of the 1930s and 40s.

I accept that understanding of what left/right have become totally misunderstood, but again defining Le Pen as extreme right is just incorrect.

Her father was far right, but she annexed him from the party and brought them heavily towards the centre on large swathes of her policies, she even left the FN as she stood for election so she could be based on policies not previous assertions.

I may not agree with her -a lot of her fiscal policies were quite frankly barmy and her anti-islam rhetoric did seem at best clumsy and overly generic in dealing with what is a distinctly complex and nuanced matter that requires deft understanding and political skill to manage (probably why no one has done so yet) but I do believe in calling a spade a spade, she is definitely not extreme right.

Right wing yes, far right not really to be honest but a lot of the MSM will use that label so I can understand why people for make that mistake, but extreme right - definitely not.

Also just an aside but given that the Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic defines Jihad as amongst other things a holy war (against the infidels, as a religious duty)" then it makes little sense to claim that Jihad is nothing to do with religion and only a result of foreign policies.

Your final point about the march itself though is a good one - it is a March against all extremist violence - so against the Manchester and London attacks including the attack against muslims at Finsbury Park Mosque.

It would be fantastic for Muslim's to join this march to show that they are opposed to the extreme acts committed in the name of their God. Sadly I don't think it will happen though.

ealing_ayatollah, you make some great points very eloquently.

It is a great book. The author was extremely brave in confronting the Jihadists and interestingly that most of them were raised in the west and educated in some of the best colleges in Europe.

Muslims are standing up against extremism in their own communities and in fact the police say that most leads on potential terrorists come from within the Muslim communities.

Look at whom Le Penn and Ann marie waters have shared platforms with and are in cahoots with in the recent past- holocaust deniers, blatant racists... Nicolai Sennels, Lars Hedegaard, Ingrid Carlqvist, Alan Ayling. So while they have softened their public stances their roots are very much in a far right movement and due to this I think they are dangerous.

I'd argue that is the application of guilt by association rather than an indication of any unearthed agendas (although Le Penn obviously has a murky past largely due to the influence of her father and growing up within that environment) but I do certainly understand your reasoning.

I'll let you know my thoughts when I've read the book - thanks again for the recommendation!

The one thing which definitely has to be challenged is this culture of blame and finger pointing by Muslims to justify the actions of extremist. Blaming the West's Foreign Policy is so pathetic it defies belief. After 9/11 just what did Muslim's expect the USA and her allies to do? Of course they had to strike back at unstable countries in the middle east where Muslim extremism has its epicentre.

Vast majority of muslims in the middle east have little involvement in politics and international relations you know, it's not like all the muslims got together and had a vote on whether or not to carry out 9/11.

If a group of nutters from the UK carried out an attack which you had no knowledge of, would you then think it was justified for a foreign country to bomb your family home and kill your wife and kids? or would you seek revenge on the people that killed your family?

By your own logic then wouldn't it be equally acceptable for someone who's lost their kids in the recent bombings to go to Libya and carry out a similar like for like attack?

The british people didn't vote for military activity either after all?

If someone is seeking revenge on the people that killed their family then shouldn't they be plotting to assassinate our politicians rather than slaughter our innocent children?

Why not just have a march against extremism without putting another label on it in the first place.

Why not just have a march against extremism without putting another label on it in the first place.

Think the point is you get a bunch of football lads (not renowned for being a peaceful bunch to put it politely) coming together and putting their rivalries aside to march peacefully in protest was and will be a very powerful statement.

Also football is often the great leveller between people of different backgrounds - how many times have any of us had conversations about who we are and where we are from with people from another country and used football to express our identity - perfect example was chatting to a portuguese fella in the algarve a few weeks back.

Neither of us could speak much of each others language but we left the conversation with him knowing I was Cardiff me knowing he was Sporting Lisbon and each of us having put forward a case for who was better Bale or Ronaldo - we agreed to disagree and got each other a pint - that's the beauty of football it can breakdown barriers to conversation and transcend politics - and it's great to see that power being harnessed for what is surely a great cause - i.e. anti extremism of all types

Easy to blame successive governments but as soon as these groups are blocked it the bloody do-gooders spouting the Racist card and ethnic minority suppression

Well the BBC documentary included people who have been at the forefront on fighting terrorism and commented that the government has been neglectful. There are very few examples of where 'do gooders' have spouted the racist card where there has been an attempt to shut these groups down where there is evidence of promoting terrorism violence.

With respect one BBC documentary is not a trump card and doesn't prove anything it is only the opinion of the documentary maker who no doubt harbours extreme left-wing views. At the very least there should be another documentary shown where the Government(s) are given a right of reply before anyone makes their minds up.

"Extreme left-wing views" for reporting that this government, and the previous labour government were negligent in not addressing hate preachers?

Again you are trying to deflect the whole blame onto the UK Government rather than understanding that the 'blame' lies fully with the Muslim community who breed the hate preachers on the back of their victimhood. The response of the UK Governments should have been better but we all know any clamp down would have been met with cries of racism/intolerance etc.

So yes the documentary in my view was an extreme left wing view.

The one thing which definitely has to be challenged is this culture of blame and finger pointing by Muslims to justify the actions of extremist. Blaming the West's Foreign Policy is so pathetic it defies belief. After 9/11 just what did Muslim's expect the USA and her allies to do? Of course they had to strike back at unstable countries in the middle east where Muslim extremism has its epicentre.

Vast majority of muslims in the middle east have little involvement in politics and international relations you know, it's not like all the muslims got together and had a vote on whether or not to carry out 9/11.

If a group of nutters from the UK carried out an attack which you had no knowledge of, would you then think it was justified for a foreign country to bomb your family home and kill your wife and kids? or would you seek revenge on the people that killed your family?

The obvious fact you are overlooking is the USA asked the Taliban to hand over Osama bin Laden and other members of Al-Qaeda who had admitted responsibility for 9/11 and they refused.

Just what did you expect the US to do next? Your rather stupid question above has no context to the circumstances which were in place post-9/11

Easy to blame successive governments but as soon as these groups are blocked it the bloody do-gooders spouting the Racist card and ethnic minority suppression

Well the BBC documentary included people who have been at the forefront on fighting terrorism and commented that the government has been neglectful. There are very few examples of where 'do gooders' have spouted the racist card where there has been an attempt to shut these groups down where there is evidence of promoting terrorism violence.

With respect one BBC documentary is not a trump card and doesn't prove anything it is only the opinion of the documentary maker who no doubt harbours extreme left-wing views. At the very least there should be another documentary shown where the Government(s) are given a right of reply before anyone makes their minds up.

The BBCs obsession with political correctness prevented anyone questioning the spread of Islamic fundamentalism in the UK for fear of being branded racist.

That is a very good point.

Easy to blame successive governments but as soon as these groups are blocked it the bloody do-gooders spouting the Racist card and ethnic minority suppression

Well the BBC documentary included people who have been at the forefront on fighting terrorism and commented that the government has been neglectful. There are very few examples of where 'do gooders' have spouted the racist card where there has been an attempt to shut these groups down where there is evidence of promoting terrorism violence.

With respect one BBC documentary is not a trump card and doesn't prove anything it is only the opinion of the documentary maker who no doubt harbours extreme left-wing views. At the very least there should be another documentary shown where the Government(s) are given a right of reply before anyone makes their minds up.

The BBCs obsession with political correctness prevented anyone questioning the spread of Islamic fundamentalism in the UK for fear of being branded racist.

That is a very good point.

its decades not years that you can protest in London carrying a flag of any nation and in some cases places that are not nations and its tolerated.
produce a union jack or a george cross and your potrayed a far right nazi racist...