Our key area we need to improve

For me we are in desperate need of that one really creative play maker, there isn't many realistic targets at the moment

Who do you think could be the best option for a creative midfielder for us. Realistically!

For me we are in desperate need of that one really creative play maker, there isn't many realistic targets at the moment

Who do you think could be the best option for a creative midfielder for us. Realistically!

Tom Lawrence..Lee Tomlin..Leon Britton and the guy up at Blackburn I think his name is Peter Whittingham

Why do you believe we need a creative player. I have seen no evidence that that is a prerequisite with any of Warnocks previous signings. He let one of the most creative players leave because he doesn't value creativity.

Two hard working grafters in the middle, hard working wide midfielders who can chip in with a few goals and save the money for a striker and play old fashioned British direct & physical 442. To be top 6 we'll need the top 2 to be free scoring.

I am not sure if Warnock bought Faurlin and Tabreet (spelling ?) or he was gifted them, but both of those were miles above championship level. We don't have that luxury.

Under Malky we were solid at the back, hard working no mistake in midfield and had little attack but relied on attrition or set plays. That worked a treat.
We didn't have anyone of Zohores potential, but a 27 year Whitts controlling the pace and direction of games. We had no pace, so never played at it.

I am not fretting over the lack of creativity as long as we get the top two scoring.

For me we are in desperate need of that one really creative play maker, there isn't many realistic targets at the moment

Who do you think could be the best option for a creative midfielder for us. Realistically!

Totally agree with you but does Warnock's long ball style of football make a creative midfield player redundant in the current setup we have

winger - bakary sako, striker - danny ward, striker - tony watt, creative midfielder - alan judge

winger - bakary sako, striker - danny ward, striker - tony watt, creative midfielder - alan judge

If Warnock managed to pull those four out of the bag then I'd be ver happy!

We need to score one or two more goals than we let it in, every game.
I reckon that would do the trick

Tom Lawrence on loan id like

Why do you believe we need a creative player. I have seen no evidence that that is a prerequisite with any of Warnocks previous signings. He let one of the most creative players leave because he doesn't value creativity.

Two hard working grafters in the middle, hard working wide midfielders who can chip in with a few goals and save the money for a striker and play old fashioned British direct & physical 442. To be top 6 we'll need the top 2 to be free scoring.

I am not sure if Warnock bought Faurlin and Tabreet (spelling ?) or he was gifted them, but both of those were miles above championship level. We don't have that luxury.

Under Malky we were solid at the back, hard working no mistake in midfield and had little attack but relied on attrition or set plays. That worked a treat.
We didn't have anyone of Zohores potential, but a 27 year Whitts controlling the pace and direction of games. We had no pace, so never played at it.

I am not fretting over the lack of creativity as long as we get the top two scoring.

good post.
and i dont think some people..get..that it wasnt Whitts the player...but actually that type of player that has no role in how NW wants to play.. talk about the next Whitts,well that will be {maybe } under the next manager.

Why do you believe we need a creative player. I have seen no evidence that that is a prerequisite with any of Warnocks previous signings. He let one of the most creative players leave because he doesn't value creativity.

Two hard working grafters in the middle, hard working wide midfielders who can chip in with a few goals and save the money for a striker and play old fashioned British direct & physical 442. To be top 6 we'll need the top 2 to be free scoring.

I am not sure if Warnock bought Faurlin and Tabreet (spelling ?) or he was gifted them, but both of those were miles above championship level. We don't have that luxury.

Under Malky we were solid at the back, hard working no mistake in midfield and had little attack but relied on attrition or set plays. That worked a treat.
We didn't have anyone of Zohores potential, but a 27 year Whitts controlling the pace and direction of games. We had no pace, so never played at it.

I am not fretting over the lack of creativity as long as we get the top two scoring.

good post.
and i dont think some people..get..that it wasnt Whitts the player...but actually that type of player that has no role in how NW wants to play.. talk about the next Whitts,well that will be {maybe } under the next manager.

I'm not sure you're right about this and I think you could be pleasantly surprised. Whittingham was a good player for us but had many limitations and Warnock could see that. Warnock is more interested in efficacy than style of play and it's great to have someone who can do all the tricks in the book but when it's not winning games it becomes an unaffordable luxury and Warnock doesn't do those.

It would not be too difficult to find someone with at least the same level of skills Whittingham possesses but with more pace, tenacity and youth. I have no doubt when he finds that player he will be keen to sign him. Remember he championed Taraabt at QPR and you are talking about a player then who was way above Whittingham's ability. I think this will have a very happy ending

We don't need a creative midfielder what we need is to take more of the chances we do create and then defend better.

We don't need a creative midfielder what we need is to take more of the chances we do create and then defend better.

We definitely need more chances created from midfield

ICWales did a pick your team online and we are massively short in central midfield, assuming OKeefe won't get look IN nd Huws don't fit then we are at least 2 central midfielders short. still plenty to move out though so can see why we will be waiting.

Why do you believe we need a creative player. I have seen no evidence that that is a prerequisite with any of Warnocks previous signings. He let one of the most creative players leave because he doesn't value creativity.

Two hard working grafters in the middle, hard working wide midfielders who can chip in with a few goals and save the money for a striker and play old fashioned British direct & physical 442. To be top 6 we'll need the top 2 to be free scoring.

I am not sure if Warnock bought Faurlin and Tabreet (spelling ?) or he was gifted them, but both of those were miles above championship level. We don't have that luxury.

Under Malky we were solid at the back, hard working no mistake in midfield and had little attack but relied on attrition or set plays. That worked a treat.
We didn't have anyone of Zohores potential, but a 27 year Whitts controlling the pace and direction of games. We had no pace, so never played at it.

I am not fretting over the lack of creativity as long as we get the top two scoring.

good post.
and i dont think some people..get..that it wasnt Whitts the player...but actually that type of player that has no role in how NW wants to play.. talk about the next Whitts,well that will be {maybe } under the next manager.

I'm not sure you're right about this and I think you could be pleasantly surprised. Whittingham was a good player for us but had many limitations and Warnock could see that. Warnock is more interested in efficacy than style of play and it's great to have someone who can do all the tricks in the book but when it's not winning games it becomes an unaffordable luxury and Warnock doesn't do those.

It would not be too difficult to find someone with at least the same level of skills Whittingham possesses but with more pace, tenacity and youth. I have no doubt when he finds that player he will be keen to sign him. Remember he championed Taraabt at QPR and you are talking about a player then who was way above Whittingham's ability. I think this will have a very happy ending

OK, we'll have two then ( i have a feeling they all reside in the premier league)

Its all about the philosophy. Malky maybe got lucky or it was his vision, but he developed a style of play of not giving up easy goals and set plays. Our "X factor" was set plays, based around Whitts delivery. It worked, you can't argue with the fact we pissed the league. We had no pace, so didn't play with any and controlling the pace was Whitts role.

Now fast forward to Warnock, pace everywhere. We don't need to slow or control the pace. A simple hack up field has resulted in goals. I genuinely believe if we get Ward and Gallagher to complement Zohore, we'll try to get the ball forward very quickly, so i am expecting another Joe Ralls (athletic all rounder) rather than a Whitts type (highly technical but slow) midfielder assuming Huws is too weak and O'Keefe has previously pissed off the boss.

I really am not concerned, Warnock has a plan, we'll find out if he is better than Slade or equal to Malky over the next 10 months. It will be more exciting though, because that Championship season was like watching (winning) paint dry

Someone to do what Cairney, Mooy and Hoolahan or Pritchard do....control the game from centre midfield. Personally I'd go for Adam and play him in the middle of the three behind a lone striker. He can get goals, take all the set pieces and control things. Not many similar players stand out, but Huddersfield found Mooy at Man City and Cairney has improved greatly at Fulham.
Think that may have been the role destined for Hayes. Houlahan began as a winger and was converted like Whitts.
I like Pilks, but he isn't a commanding figure like these, doesn't ever dictate games.

Why do you believe we need a creative player. I have seen no evidence that that is a prerequisite with any of Warnocks previous signings. He let one of the most creative players leave because he doesn't value creativity.

Two hard working grafters in the middle, hard working wide midfielders who can chip in with a few goals and save the money for a striker and play old fashioned British direct & physical 442. To be top 6 we'll need the top 2 to be free scoring.

I am not sure if Warnock bought Faurlin and Tabreet (spelling ?) or he was gifted them, but both of those were miles above championship level. We don't have that luxury.

Under Malky we were solid at the back, hard working no mistake in midfield and had little attack but relied on attrition or set plays. That worked a treat.
We didn't have anyone of Zohores potential, but a 27 year Whitts controlling the pace and direction of games. We had no pace, so never played at it.

I am not fretting over the lack of creativity as long as we get the top two scoring.

good post.
and i dont think some people..get..that it wasnt Whitts the player...but actually that type of player that has no role in how NW wants to play.. talk about the next Whitts,well that will be {maybe } under the next manager.

I'm not sure you're right about this and I think you could be pleasantly surprised. Whittingham was a good player for us but had many limitations and Warnock could see that. Warnock is more interested in efficacy than style of play and it's great to have someone who can do all the tricks in the book but when it's not winning games it becomes an unaffordable luxury and Warnock doesn't do those.

It would not be too difficult to find someone with at least the same level of skills Whittingham possesses but with more pace, tenacity and youth. I have no doubt when he finds that player he will be keen to sign him. Remember he championed Taraabt at QPR and you are talking about a player then who was way above Whittingham's ability. I think this will have a very happy ending

i dont think taraabt is a good comparison mate.
Warnock even threatened to fine any player passing to him in their own half.. and i dont think he was way above Whitts ability either..could do fabulous tricks and score the odd wonder goals but couldnt pass wind and loses the ball about 20 times more than whitts ever did.hasnt had much of a career due to this.
even goal scoring..Whitts outguns him with a better best season { 20 compared to taraabts 19 }and a better goals per game record. and apart from that 1 purple patch when QPR went up has out scored taraabt in 9 of the last 10 seasons.
everyone remembers that ONE season in a very good QPR team when he scored 19 his best tally. but his 2nd best career tally for a season is only 7.

For me we are in desperate need of that one really creative play maker, there isn't many realistic targets at the moment

Who do you think could be the best option for a creative midfielder for us. Realistically!

Tom Lawrence..Lee Tomlin..Leon Britton and the guy up at Blackburn I think his name is Peter Whittingham

Tell me you are joking on all 4 counts.

Why do you believe we need a creative player. I have seen no evidence that that is a prerequisite with any of Warnocks previous signings. He let one of the most creative players leave because he doesn't value creativity.

Two hard working grafters in the middle, hard working wide midfielders who can chip in with a few goals and save the money for a striker and play old fashioned British direct & physical 442. To be top 6 we'll need the top 2 to be free scoring.

I am not sure if Warnock bought Faurlin and Tabreet (spelling ?) or he was gifted them, but both of those were miles above championship level. We don't have that luxury.

Under Malky we were solid at the back, hard working no mistake in midfield and had little attack but relied on attrition or set plays. That worked a treat.
We didn't have anyone of Zohores potential, but a 27 year Whitts controlling the pace and direction of games. We had no pace, so never played at it.

I am not fretting over the lack of creativity as long as we get the top two scoring.

good post.
and i dont think some people..get..that it wasnt Whitts the player...but actually that type of player that has no role in how NW wants to play.. talk about the next Whitts,well that will be {maybe } under the next manager.

I'm not sure you're right about this and I think you could be pleasantly surprised. Whittingham was a good player for us but had many limitations and Warnock could see that. Warnock is more interested in efficacy than style of play and it's great to have someone who can do all the tricks in the book but when it's not winning games it becomes an unaffordable luxury and Warnock doesn't do those.

It would not be too difficult to find someone with at least the same level of skills Whittingham possesses but with more pace, tenacity and youth. I have no doubt when he finds that player he will be keen to sign him. Remember he championed Taraabt at QPR and you are talking about a player then who was way above Whittingham's ability. I think this will have a very happy ending

i dont think taraabt is a good comparison mate.
Warnock even threatened to fine any player passing to him in their own half.. and i dont think he was way above Whitts ability either..could do fabulous tricks and score the odd wonder goals but couldnt pass wind and loses the ball about 20 times more than whitts ever did.hasnt had much of a career due to this.
even goal scoring..Whitts outguns him with a better best season { 20 compared to taraabts 19 }and a better goals per game record. and apart from that 1 purple patch when QPR went up has out scored taraabt in 9 of the last 10 seasons.
everyone remembers that ONE season in a very good QPR team when he scored 19 his best tally. but his 2nd best career tally for a season is only 7.

What a good and well thought out post mate.
Taarabt had bags of skill when he wanted to use it but was a loose canon that could win a game but also lose games for you. I'm pretty sure Warnock wouldn't buy him again.
Whitts in his prime was 10 times the player overall.

Why do you believe we need a creative player. I have seen no evidence that that is a prerequisite with any of Warnocks previous signings. He let one of the most creative players leave because he doesn't value creativity.

Two hard working grafters in the middle, hard working wide midfielders who can chip in with a few goals and save the money for a striker and play old fashioned British direct & physical 442. To be top 6 we'll need the top 2 to be free scoring.

I am not sure if Warnock bought Faurlin and Tabreet (spelling ?) or he was gifted them, but both of those were miles above championship level. We don't have that luxury.

Under Malky we were solid at the back, hard working no mistake in midfield and had little attack but relied on attrition or set plays. That worked a treat.
We didn't have anyone of Zohores potential, but a 27 year Whitts controlling the pace and direction of games. We had no pace, so never played at it.

I am not fretting over the lack of creativity as long as we get the top two scoring.

good post.
and i dont think some people..get..that it wasnt Whitts the player...but actually that type of player that has no role in how NW wants to play.. talk about the next Whitts,well that will be {maybe } under the next manager.

I'm not sure you're right about this and I think you could be pleasantly surprised. Whittingham was a good player for us but had many limitations and Warnock could see that. Warnock is more interested in efficacy than style of play and it's great to have someone who can do all the tricks in the book but when it's not winning games it becomes an unaffordable luxury and Warnock doesn't do those.

It would not be too difficult to find someone with at least the same level of skills Whittingham possesses but with more pace, tenacity and youth. I have no doubt when he finds that player he will be keen to sign him. Remember he championed Taraabt at QPR and you are talking about a player then who was way above Whittingham's ability. I think this will have a very happy ending

OK, we'll have two then ( i have a feeling they all reside in the premier league)

Its all about the philosophy. Malky maybe got lucky or it was his vision, but he developed a style of play of not giving up easy goals and set plays. Our "X factor" was set plays, based around Whitts delivery. It worked, you can't argue with the fact we pissed the league. We had no pace, so didn't play with any and controlling the pace was Whitts role.

Now fast forward to Warnock, pace everywhere. We don't need to slow or control the pace. A simple hack up field has resulted in goals. I genuinely believe if we get Ward and Gallagher to complement Zohore, we'll try to get the ball forward very quickly, so i am expecting another Joe Ralls (athletic all rounder) rather than a Whitts type (highly technical but slow) midfielder assuming Huws is too weak and O'Keefe has previously pissed off the boss.

I really am not concerned, Warnock has a plan, we'll find out if he is better than Slade or equal to Malky over the next 10 months. It will be more exciting though, because that Championship season was like watching (winning) paint dry

Oh dear pessimistic again Dave. This is a bit like the Tories' "magic money tree" nonsense. Optimism is contagious. I don't think we need to look anywhere near the Premier to find a player at least equal to Whittingham. Ryan Woods doesn't play there and, as always, good players come through the system. I think your comparison with our Championship winning season was a poor choice because our football must have been the worst of any winning team. As you said Malky played non football and relied upon set plays. In fact we nearly stuttered at the end and it was only because Whittingham was replaced at that time that we managed to make it over the line.

Anyway that wasn't the purpose of my post. Whittingham has gone now and we have to move forward whether you're a fan of his or not. My point is that if Warnock can find a creative player of the right ilk and at the right price I think he will get him. Quite rightly his philosophy is all about efficacy, that's what wins games.

Why do you believe we need a creative player. I have seen no evidence that that is a prerequisite with any of Warnocks previous signings. He let one of the most creative players leave because he doesn't value creativity.

Two hard working grafters in the middle, hard working wide midfielders who can chip in with a few goals and save the money for a striker and play old fashioned British direct & physical 442. To be top 6 we'll need the top 2 to be free scoring.

I am not sure if Warnock bought Faurlin and Tabreet (spelling ?) or he was gifted them, but both of those were miles above championship level. We don't have that luxury.

Under Malky we were solid at the back, hard working no mistake in midfield and had little attack but relied on attrition or set plays. That worked a treat.
We didn't have anyone of Zohores potential, but a 27 year Whitts controlling the pace and direction of games. We had no pace, so never played at it.

I am not fretting over the lack of creativity as long as we get the top two scoring.

good post.
and i dont think some people..get..that it wasnt Whitts the player...but actually that type of player that has no role in how NW wants to play.. talk about the next Whitts,well that will be {maybe } under the next manager.

I'm not sure you're right about this and I think you could be pleasantly surprised. Whittingham was a good player for us but had many limitations and Warnock could see that. Warnock is more interested in efficacy than style of play and it's great to have someone who can do all the tricks in the book but when it's not winning games it becomes an unaffordable luxury and Warnock doesn't do those.

It would not be too difficult to find someone with at least the same level of skills Whittingham possesses but with more pace, tenacity and youth. I have no doubt when he finds that player he will be keen to sign him. Remember he championed Taraabt at QPR and you are talking about a player then who was way above Whittingham's ability. I think this will have a very happy ending

i dont think taraabt is a good comparison mate.
Warnock even threatened to fine any player passing to him in their own half.. and i dont think he was way above Whitts ability either..could do fabulous tricks and score the odd wonder goals but couldnt pass wind and loses the ball about 20 times more than whitts ever did.hasnt had much of a career due to this.
even goal scoring..Whitts outguns him with a better best season { 20 compared to taraabts 19 }and a better goals per game record. and apart from that 1 purple patch when QPR went up has out scored taraabt in 9 of the last 10 seasons.
everyone remembers that ONE season in a very good QPR team when he scored 19 his best tally. but his 2nd best career tally for a season is only 7.

I only posted it to cheer you up chum. Yes maybe Taraabt had some seasons that were poorer than others; just about everyone does and Whittingham was no exception. We will obviously have to agree to disagree on the merits of the two players because in my opinion Taraabt was light years ahead of him in skill, but, definitely a wayward character which in fairness no-one could ascribe to Peter. I've met him and he's a lovely bloke.

However, as I said in a previous thread, it's not about individual opinions on players which we all are entitled to hold, it's about our future plans under Warnock. Like it or not Whittingham has gone now and this is a debate about the way forward. All I was trying to point out is that Warnock is not wedded to kick and rush as some would have us believe, but he has a pragmatic approach. With him it's all about winning. Therefore if he can find a suitable creative midfielder at the right price I have no doubt he'll try to buy him. Management is all about making the best of what you've got as a unit and developing it for success.

Why do you believe we need a creative player. I have seen no evidence that that is a prerequisite with any of Warnocks previous signings. He let one of the most creative players leave because he doesn't value creativity.

Two hard working grafters in the middle, hard working wide midfielders who can chip in with a few goals and save the money for a striker and play old fashioned British direct & physical 442. To be top 6 we'll need the top 2 to be free scoring.

I am not sure if Warnock bought Faurlin and Tabreet (spelling ?) or he was gifted them, but both of those were miles above championship level. We don't have that luxury.

Under Malky we were solid at the back, hard working no mistake in midfield and had little attack but relied on attrition or set plays. That worked a treat.
We didn't have anyone of Zohores potential, but a 27 year Whitts controlling the pace and direction of games. We had no pace, so never played at it.

I am not fretting over the lack of creativity as long as we get the top two scoring.

good post.
and i dont think some people..get..that it wasnt Whitts the player...but actually that type of player that has no role in how NW wants to play.. talk about the next Whitts,well that will be {maybe } under the next manager.

I'm not sure you're right about this and I think you could be pleasantly surprised. Whittingham was a good player for us but had many limitations and Warnock could see that. Warnock is more interested in efficacy than style of play and it's great to have someone who can do all the tricks in the book but when it's not winning games it becomes an unaffordable luxury and Warnock doesn't do those.

It would not be too difficult to find someone with at least the same level of skills Whittingham possesses but with more pace, tenacity and youth. I have no doubt when he finds that player he will be keen to sign him. Remember he championed Taraabt at QPR and you are talking about a player then who was way above Whittingham's ability. I think this will have a very happy ending

i dont think taraabt is a good comparison mate.
Warnock even threatened to fine any player passing to him in their own half.. and i dont think he was way above Whitts ability either..could do fabulous tricks and score the odd wonder goals but couldnt pass wind and loses the ball about 20 times more than whitts ever did.hasnt had much of a career due to this.
even goal scoring..Whitts outguns him with a better best season { 20 compared to taraabts 19 }and a better goals per game record. and apart from that 1 purple patch when QPR went up has out scored taraabt in 9 of the last 10 seasons.
everyone remembers that ONE season in a very good QPR team when he scored 19 his best tally. but his 2nd best career tally for a season is only 7.

I only posted it to cheer you up chum. Yes maybe Taraabt had some seasons that were poorer than others; just about everyone does and Whittingham was no exception. We will obviously have to agree to disagree on the merits of the two players because in my opinion Taraabt was light years ahead of him in skill, but, definitely a wayward character which in fairness no-one could ascribe to Peter. I've met him and he's a lovely bloke.

However, as I said in a previous thread, it's not about individual opinions on players which we all are entitled to hold, it's about our future plans under Warnock. Like it or not Whittingham has gone now and this is a debate about the way forward. All I was trying to point out is that Warnock is not wedded to kick and rush as some would have us believe, but he has a pragmatic approach. With him it's all about winning. Therefore if he can find a suitable creative midfielder at the right price I have no doubt he'll try to buy him. Management is all about making the best of what you've got as a unit and developing it for success.[/quot


taarabt had some poor seasons...try 12 of them
yes ill disagree.,for me football is a team game and if you have a good look public parks have plenty of tricky players with great touch that at a glance you wonder how hasnt he been pickedd up....keep watching and youll figure these players often have zero vision and awareness and not only cant see a pass but dont even consider one.....could whitts if he chose do tricks that come off 1 in 5 like taraabt and just have the 1 good season..yes.quite a few players can...could taraabt ever have whitts ability to control a game, always be in space and pick out passes others cant..not if he lives to be 200.