Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:07 am
Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:10 am
Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:36 am
JimCP91 wrote:So, not only do they sell arms to the most oppressive regime in the world. Who arm and fund terror. They also have a former active IRA member in their party and to top it off, now they're making a deal with the DUP.
May was certainly right about one thing, a coalition of chaos. Even if she was slightly wrong stating that would have been if you voted labour.
Great campaign from Corbyn with so many positives to take. We will continue this progressive left wing socialist movement, and keep the momentum!
Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:43 am
Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:21 pm
JimCP91 wrote:So, not only do they sell arms to the most oppressive regime in the world. Who arm and fund terror. They also have a former active IRA member in their party and to top it off, now they're making a deal with the DUP.
May was certainly right about one thing, a coalition of chaos. Even if she was slightly wrong stating that would have been if you voted labour.
Great campaign from Corbyn with so many positives to take. We will continue this progressive left wing socialist movement, and keep the momentum!
Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:27 pm
Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:40 pm
Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:16 pm
Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:19 pm
Jules wrote:Oh don't say that Pembroke you'll upset the lefties![]()
Think theres some selective memories on here as I cannot think of a major political party who have not done arms deals when the mighty Blair went one step further and invaded.
Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:14 pm
Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:38 pm
Fusilier23 wrote:Corbyn is lucky he lost as he wont have to break any of those absurd promises he made![]()
In politics lots of strange deals are done but unlike some the conservatives waited until there was "peace" in Ulster
Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:22 pm
he voted against most things, even his own parties policies .JimCP91 wrote:Jules wrote:Oh don't say that Pembroke you'll upset the lefties![]()
Think theres some selective memories on here as I cannot think of a major political party who have not done arms deals when the mighty Blair went one step further and invaded.
With the backing of the Torys, who were lied to like the rest of us.something that Corbyn voted against.
Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:26 pm
jon1959 wrote:Fusilier23 wrote:Corbyn is lucky he lost as he wont have to break any of those absurd promises he made![]()
In politics lots of strange deals are done but unlike some the conservatives waited until there was "peace" in Ulster
When do you think there was 'peace in Ulster'?
The process that led to the Good Friday Agreement started in 1988/9. Apart from Northern Irish parties and mediators the Irish government was involved from near the start - and so was the British government (through proxies and back channels) despite their denials.
The IRA ceasefire began in April 1994. The Downing Street Agreement between the UK and Irish governments (but based on the continuing peace talks by all parties) was earlier in 1993. The Good Friday Agreement was in 1998 under Blair (one of his genuine achievements).
So the Tory government was talking to the IRA/Sinn Fein for at least 5 years before their ceasefire.
Jeremy Corbyn was one of hundreds of people (politicians and others from across the political and religious spectrum) who was pushing for peace talks before they finally got going with all the main players. That was what he did as a pacifist and a social democrat in other situations too. I don't agree with everything he has said and done, but I do think he has been principled and consistent in his advocacy of inclusive peace processes to resolve conflict. He should be praised for it not condemned. He was just a bit less secretive than the Tories who came after and did much the same thing. End result peace.
Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:19 pm
Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:28 pm
Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:14 pm
ffs wrote:Prime Minister's questions will be interesting![]()
Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:53 pm
Fusilier23 wrote:jon1959 wrote:Fusilier23 wrote:Corbyn is lucky he lost as he wont have to break any of those absurd promises he made![]()
In politics lots of strange deals are done but unlike some the conservatives waited until there was "peace" in Ulster
When do you think there was 'peace in Ulster'?
The process that led to the Good Friday Agreement started in 1988/9. Apart from Northern Irish parties and mediators the Irish government was involved from near the start - and so was the British government (through proxies and back channels) despite their denials.
The IRA ceasefire began in April 1994. The Downing Street Agreement between the UK and Irish governments (but based on the continuing peace talks by all parties) was earlier in 1993. The Good Friday Agreement was in 1998 under Blair (one of his genuine achievements).
So the Tory government was talking to the IRA/Sinn Fein for at least 5 years before their ceasefire.
Jeremy Corbyn was one of hundreds of people (politicians and others from across the political and religious spectrum) who was pushing for peace talks before they finally got going with all the main players. That was what he did as a pacifist and a social democrat in other situations too. I don't agree with everything he has said and done, but I do think he has been principled and consistent in his advocacy of inclusive peace processes to resolve conflict. He should be praised for it not condemned. He was just a bit less secretive than the Tories who came after and did much the same thing. End result peace.
Jon, I deliberately used "peace" as although not generally reported much still goes on in NI which may question its accuracy if you and one on the unfortunates to get caught up in these incidents. Corbyns problem has been to court favour with a great deal of groups who use violence and to call them friends - I believe he actually wished he had not used that phrase. Anyone who thinks that Govts do not talk to these groups is dillusional but it has to be down to elected bodies to conduct these and not to individuals who may jeopardise these talks/negotiations not knowing what the government approach/promises are.
JC may be an honourable man but he has/had a strange way of showing it at times. Combined with the antics of others at the helm of the labour party I found it impossible to vote for labour on this occasion. In the future that may change. Each to his own as they say.![]()
Anyway hopefully we can get talking about football matters soon
Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:50 pm
Jules wrote:Oh don't say that Pembroke you'll upset the lefties![]()
Think theres some selective memories on here as I cannot think of a major political party who have not done arms deals when the mighty Blair went one step further and invaded.
Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:11 pm
Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:15 pm
jon1959 wrote:Fusilier23 wrote:Corbyn is lucky he lost as he wont have to break any of those absurd promises he made![]()
In politics lots of strange deals are done but unlike some the conservatives waited until there was "peace" in Ulster
When do you think there was 'peace in Ulster'?
The process that led to the Good Friday Agreement started in 1988/9. Apart from Northern Irish parties and mediators the Irish government was involved from near the start - and so was the British government (through proxies and back channels) despite their denials.
The IRA ceasefire began in April 1994. The Downing Street Agreement between the UK and Irish governments (but based on the continuing peace talks by all parties) was earlier in 1993. The Good Friday Agreement was in 1998 under Blair (one of his genuine achievements).
So the Tory government was talking to the IRA/Sinn Fein for at least 5 years before their ceasefire.
Jeremy Corbyn was one of hundreds of people (politicians and others from across the political and religious spectrum) who was pushing for peace talks before they finally got going with all the main players. That was what he did as a pacifist and a social democrat in other situations too. I don't agree with everything he has said and done, but I do think he has been principled and consistent in his advocacy of inclusive peace processes to resolve conflict. He should be praised for it not condemned. He was just a bit less secretive than the Tories who came after and did much the same thing. End result peace.