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Read now Labour voters !

Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:35 pm

I have just copied this excellent post,

I await Labour supporters trying to deny this factual statement! It's a long read but well worth understanding before you vote what an absolute shambles it would be if labour actually won please readers think with your head tomorrow!!





People forget labour destroyed and nearly bankrupted this country before, left the mess for the Torys. It was also Labour that sent our men and women into the middle east only to line their own pockets due to the oil situation!
Some interesting facts to consider in case you've forgotten what the last Labour government brought upon the UK!

Firstly Up to 50 thousand 'excess' deaths were recorded at hospitals during the last Labour Goverment. (Research by Sir Brian Jarman of Imperial College).

Also hundreds of stealth taxes, paid by the working class people under the labour government!
To note between 1997 to 2010 gas prices rose and electricity prices rose 69%. Why would the public ever trust Labour on energy prices?
The devastating impact of Labour's raid on pensions!! tax grab has cost workers £118bn no since 1997 (Office for Budget Responsibility).
5) Labour spent £148.7 million on a National Measurements Office which forces traders to measure their goods in kilograms rather than pounds.
-The Royal Mail is now sold because of EU Postal Directive 2008/6/EC, brought in by the last Labour government.



Council Tax doubled under Labour - 105% increase in England, 146% Wales. (The Chartered Institute of Public Finance & Accountancy: 26/03/09).
In 2012/13 Labour councils employed nearly 23,000 people on zero-hour contracts.
£660 million has been cut from NHS over the last three years according to the Welsh TUC.
When Labour came to power in 1997, spending on NHS managers was less than £190m. By 2010 this had increased by 450% to over £1bn per year.


Labour wasted £11bn of taxpayers money on a failed IT project which was eventually scrapped by the NHS in 2013.
Labour lumbered the NHS with vast PFI repayments - £50 billion worth of loans which are costing £300 billion in repayments.
It was the Labour Party who awarded the DWP Medical Services Contract to ATOS on the 15th March 2005.
Labour started the privatisation of the NHS. They brought in the 2006 NHS Act that introduced competition into the NHS.
Labour introduced competition into the NHS: Competition Act 1998, Enterprise Act 2002 & Public Sector Procurement Regulations 2006.



In 2006 Gordon Brown cut the flood defence budget by £14 million.
Youth unemployment rose by more than 40% during Labour's 13 years in office.
Total stock of social housing fell under Labour - 421,000 homes were lost from the social housing stock between 1997 and 2010.
British manufacturing grew by 28% between 1980 and 1997. Then, under Labour, it shrank by 6%: falling from 20% of GDP to just 11%.


Labour left a deficit of £156 billion, PFI liability of £301 billion, EU Rebate loss £9.3 billion, Sold the Gold loss £6 billion.
The last Labour government spent so much money on Labour cronies that it had a 5% structural deficit at the height of the boom.

The use of food banks went up tenfold under Labour. From 3,000 users in 2005/06 to over 40,000 by 2009/10. (The Trussell Trust/C4 FactCheck).
When Labour's Gordon Brown became Prime Minister in 2007, UK public debt was 44.1% of GDP. When he left in 2010, it was 148.1%.
Only 6,330 council houses were completed from 1998 to 2010 under Labour, compared with 17,710 in 1990 alone - Thatcher's final year as PM.
Tony Blair gave away a chunk of the UK's EU rebate estimated now to have cost the UK £9.3 billion between 2007-2013.
In 2010 Gordon Brown branded Rochdale voter Gillian Duffy "a bigoted woman" for daring to voice her concern about uncontrolled immigration.
Labour are now complaining about gambling. But they were the ones who wanted to build Super Casinos in some of the poorest areas in Britain.
Labour closed more mines in 5 years than Thatcher did in 11 years.. 211 mines closed under Wilson 1965-70.. 154 under Thatcher 1979-90.
Under
Labour zero hour contracts increased by 74% between 2004 - 2009.
Since Labour liberalised the law in 2000 to allow postal voting on demand, the number of postal voting fraud in Labour areas has soared.
Labour wants to charge patients, lord Warner said people should pay a £10-a-month fee to use NHS/£20 for every night they stay in hospital.
Labour were responsible for the rise in payday lenders. Now they are campaigning against them?
Labour presided over the slowest growth in 50 years and produced the fastest decline in British manufacturing since manufacturing began!
Labour MPs to remember: Denis MacShane (jailed), David Chaytor (jailed), Eric Illsley (jailed), Elliot Morley (jailed), Jim Devine (jailed) Blair invaded Iraq and Brown invaded the Treasury, both actions crippled us!!
Corbyn doesn't appear to respect the peoples decision on Brexit!

Think Corbyn is your white knight he's far from it!

Vote wisely people and remember there are other options and parties to vote for.

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:41 pm

Im neither a con or Labour voter in fact I don't vote so as an impartial view Wez! for everything in this read you can guarantee that the conservatives have screwed Joe public and services when ever they were in power or is this a one sided view??
:thumbup:

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:47 pm

I'm pretty glad it'll be over tomorrow.

No more lobbying or fake news.

Let's be honest we all know what is going to happen. The Tories will get back in but May might not get the increased majority which was the reason she went to the nation.

It'll be intriguing to see if she stays leader if they come out of this worse off. She'll definitely go if there is no majority but I don't think it will get that bad.

Labour successfully made it about the full range of issues instead of just Brexit and this affected the Conservatives.

It's a shame the other parties have been so anonymous because the main two have had major issues. Abbott had a mare early on and I'd like to know where the hell Phillip Hammond is.

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:54 pm

Not even reading it Vote LABOUR!

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:03 pm

Can't wait to start calling Wez a Cardiff c**t instead of a Tory tw*t!!!!! :D :D

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:08 pm

If May doesn't get a big majority Brexit will be a fekkin nightmare for all of us, it will drag on for decades.

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:11 pm

eddiep wrote:Can't wait to start calling Wez a Cardiff c**t instead of a Tory tw*t!!!!! :D :D

:lol:

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:24 pm

I think the whole thing is a con job to abolish Brexit.

Neither Labour or the Tories want it. So May calls an election under tne disguise she wants a manate to see Brexit through bacause she was getting opposition yo it.....right.

So an election is called and it is said it will be a landslide. A few weeks later nearer the election it could be a hung Parliament. What a trunaround and I smell a rat.

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:36 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:I think the whole thing is a con job to abolish Brexit.

Neither Labour or the Tories want it. So May calls an election under tne disguise she wants a manate to see Brexit through bacause she was getting opposition yo it.....right.

So an election is called and it is said it will be a landslide. A few weeks later nearer the election it could be a hung Parliament. What a trunaround and I smell a rat.


Whoever wins and represents us in BREXIT negotiations will fall short of what we thought leaving was all about. The divorce bill will be paid and free movement will continue in some other form or other but the Government (whoever it is) will swear blind they have delivered.

Personally I gave up long ago that BREXIT would ever become a reality and this election was all about killing off UKIP forever.

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:38 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:I think the whole thing is a con job to abolish Brexit.

Neither Labour or the Tories want it. So May calls an election under tne disguise she wants a manate to see Brexit through bacause she was getting opposition yo it.....right.

So an election is called and it is said it will be a landslide. A few weeks later nearer the election it could be a hung Parliament. What a trunaround and I smell a rat.

Could be something in that

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:38 pm

Jock wrote:If May doesn't get a big majority Brexit will be a fekkin nightmare for all of us, it will drag on for decades.


It will drag on for decades for sure simply because May will change her mind every 5 minutes ;)

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:40 pm

wez1927 wrote:I have just copied this excellent post,

I await Labour supporters trying to deny this factual statement! It's a long read but well worth understanding before you vote what an absolute shambles it would be if labour actually won please readers think with your head tomorrow!!





People forget labour destroyed and nearly bankrupted this country before, left the mess for the Torys. It was also Labour that sent our men and women into the middle east only to line their own pockets due to the oil situation!
Some interesting facts to consider in case you've forgotten what the last Labour government brought upon the UK!

Firstly Up to 50 thousand 'excess' deaths were recorded at hospitals during the last Labour Goverment. (Research by Sir Brian Jarman of Imperial College).

Also hundreds of stealth taxes, paid by the working class people under the labour government!
To note between 1997 to 2010 gas prices rose and electricity prices rose 69%. Why would the public ever trust Labour on energy prices?
The devastating impact of Labour's raid on pensions!! tax grab has cost workers £118bn no since 1997 (Office for Budget Responsibility).
5) Labour spent £148.7 million on a National Measurements Office which forces traders to measure their goods in kilograms rather than pounds.
-The Royal Mail is now sold because of EU Postal Directive 2008/6/EC, brought in by the last Labour government.



Council Tax doubled under Labour - 105% increase in England, 146% Wales. (The Chartered Institute of Public Finance & Accountancy: 26/03/09).
In 2012/13 Labour councils employed nearly 23,000 people on zero-hour contracts.
£660 million has been cut from NHS over the last three years according to the Welsh TUC.
When Labour came to power in 1997, spending on NHS managers was less than £190m. By 2010 this had increased by 450% to over £1bn per year.


Labour wasted £11bn of taxpayers money on a failed IT project which was eventually scrapped by the NHS in 2013.
Labour lumbered the NHS with vast PFI repayments - £50 billion worth of loans which are costing £300 billion in repayments.
It was the Labour Party who awarded the DWP Medical Services Contract to ATOS on the 15th March 2005.
Labour started the privatisation of the NHS. They brought in the 2006 NHS Act that introduced competition into the NHS.
Labour introduced competition into the NHS: Competition Act 1998, Enterprise Act 2002 & Public Sector Procurement Regulations 2006.



In 2006 Gordon Brown cut the flood defence budget by £14 million.
Youth unemployment rose by more than 40% during Labour's 13 years in office.
Total stock of social housing fell under Labour - 421,000 homes were lost from the social housing stock between 1997 and 2010.
British manufacturing grew by 28% between 1980 and 1997. Then, under Labour, it shrank by 6%: falling from 20% of GDP to just 11%.


Labour left a deficit of £156 billion, PFI liability of £301 billion, EU Rebate loss £9.3 billion, Sold the Gold loss £6 billion.
The last Labour government spent so much money on Labour cronies that it had a 5% structural deficit at the height of the boom.

The use of food banks went up tenfold under Labour. From 3,000 users in 2005/06 to over 40,000 by 2009/10. (The Trussell Trust/C4 FactCheck).
When Labour's Gordon Brown became Prime Minister in 2007, UK public debt was 44.1% of GDP. When he left in 2010, it was 148.1%.
Only 6,330 council houses were completed from 1998 to 2010 under Labour, compared with 17,710 in 1990 alone - Thatcher's final year as PM.
Tony Blair gave away a chunk of the UK's EU rebate estimated now to have cost the UK £9.3 billion between 2007-2013.
In 2010 Gordon Brown branded Rochdale voter Gillian Duffy "a bigoted woman" for daring to voice her concern about uncontrolled immigration.
Labour are now complaining about gambling. But they were the ones who wanted to build Super Casinos in some of the poorest areas in Britain.
Labour closed more mines in 5 years than Thatcher did in 11 years.. 211 mines closed under Wilson 1965-70.. 154 under Thatcher 1979-90.
Under
Labour zero hour contracts increased by 74% between 2004 - 2009.
Since Labour liberalised the law in 2000 to allow postal voting on demand, the number of postal voting fraud in Labour areas has soared.
Labour wants to charge patients, lord Warner said people should pay a £10-a-month fee to use NHS/£20 for every night they stay in hospital.
Labour were responsible for the rise in payday lenders. Now they are campaigning against them?
Labour presided over the slowest growth in 50 years and produced the fastest decline in British manufacturing since manufacturing began!
Labour MPs to remember: Denis MacShane (jailed), David Chaytor (jailed), Eric Illsley (jailed), Elliot Morley (jailed), Jim Devine (jailed) Blair invaded Iraq and Brown invaded the Treasury, both actions crippled us!!
Corbyn doesn't appear to respect the peoples decision on Brexit!

Think Corbyn is your white knight he's far from it!

Vote wisely people and remember there are other options and parties to vote for.


Wez do you help run the Tory campaign? Like your posts that's been a f**king disaster as well :occasion5:

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:03 pm

who the hell made this a sticky .... come on admins, show some class please.

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:13 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
wez1927 wrote:I have just copied this excellent post,

I await Labour supporters trying to deny this factual statement! It's a long read but well worth understanding before you vote what an absolute shambles it would be if labour actually won please readers think with your head tomorrow!!





People forget labour destroyed and nearly bankrupted this country before, left the mess for the Torys. It was also Labour that sent our men and women into the middle east only to line their own pockets due to the oil situation!
Some interesting facts to consider in case you've forgotten what the last Labour government brought upon the UK!

Firstly Up to 50 thousand 'excess' deaths were recorded at hospitals during the last Labour Goverment. (Research by Sir Brian Jarman of Imperial College).

Also hundreds of stealth taxes, paid by the working class people under the labour government!
To note between 1997 to 2010 gas prices rose and electricity prices rose 69%. Why would the public ever trust Labour on energy prices?
The devastating impact of Labour's raid on pensions!! tax grab has cost workers £118bn no since 1997 (Office for Budget Responsibility).
5) Labour spent £148.7 million on a National Measurements Office which forces traders to measure their goods in kilograms rather than pounds.
-The Royal Mail is now sold because of EU Postal Directive 2008/6/EC, brought in by the last Labour government.



Council Tax doubled under Labour - 105% increase in England, 146% Wales. (The Chartered Institute of Public Finance & Accountancy: 26/03/09).
In 2012/13 Labour councils employed nearly 23,000 people on zero-hour contracts.
£660 million has been cut from NHS over the last three years according to the Welsh TUC.
When Labour came to power in 1997, spending on NHS managers was less than £190m. By 2010 this had increased by 450% to over £1bn per year.


Labour wasted £11bn of taxpayers money on a failed IT project which was eventually scrapped by the NHS in 2013.
Labour lumbered the NHS with vast PFI repayments - £50 billion worth of loans which are costing £300 billion in repayments.
It was the Labour Party who awarded the DWP Medical Services Contract to ATOS on the 15th March 2005.
Labour started the privatisation of the NHS. They brought in the 2006 NHS Act that introduced competition into the NHS.
Labour introduced competition into the NHS: Competition Act 1998, Enterprise Act 2002 & Public Sector Procurement Regulations 2006.



In 2006 Gordon Brown cut the flood defence budget by £14 million.
Youth unemployment rose by more than 40% during Labour's 13 years in office.
Total stock of social housing fell under Labour - 421,000 homes were lost from the social housing stock between 1997 and 2010.
British manufacturing grew by 28% between 1980 and 1997. Then, under Labour, it shrank by 6%: falling from 20% of GDP to just 11%.


Labour left a deficit of £156 billion, PFI liability of £301 billion, EU Rebate loss £9.3 billion, Sold the Gold loss £6 billion.
The last Labour government spent so much money on Labour cronies that it had a 5% structural deficit at the height of the boom.

The use of food banks went up tenfold under Labour. From 3,000 users in 2005/06 to over 40,000 by 2009/10. (The Trussell Trust/C4 FactCheck).
When Labour's Gordon Brown became Prime Minister in 2007, UK public debt was 44.1% of GDP. When he left in 2010, it was 148.1%.
Only 6,330 council houses were completed from 1998 to 2010 under Labour, compared with 17,710 in 1990 alone - Thatcher's final year as PM.
Tony Blair gave away a chunk of the UK's EU rebate estimated now to have cost the UK £9.3 billion between 2007-2013.
In 2010 Gordon Brown branded Rochdale voter Gillian Duffy "a bigoted woman" for daring to voice her concern about uncontrolled immigration.
Labour are now complaining about gambling. But they were the ones who wanted to build Super Casinos in some of the poorest areas in Britain.
Labour closed more mines in 5 years than Thatcher did in 11 years.. 211 mines closed under Wilson 1965-70.. 154 under Thatcher 1979-90.
Under
Labour zero hour contracts increased by 74% between 2004 - 2009.
Since Labour liberalised the law in 2000 to allow postal voting on demand, the number of postal voting fraud in Labour areas has soared.
Labour wants to charge patients, lord Warner said people should pay a £10-a-month fee to use NHS/£20 for every night they stay in hospital.
Labour were responsible for the rise in payday lenders. Now they are campaigning against them?
Labour presided over the slowest growth in 50 years and produced the fastest decline in British manufacturing since manufacturing began!
Labour MPs to remember: Denis MacShane (jailed), David Chaytor (jailed), Eric Illsley (jailed), Elliot Morley (jailed), Jim Devine (jailed) Blair invaded Iraq and Brown invaded the Treasury, both actions crippled us!!
Corbyn doesn't appear to respect the peoples decision on Brexit!

Think Corbyn is your white knight he's far from it!

Vote wisely people and remember there are other options and parties to vote for.


Wez do you help run the Tory campaign? Like your posts that's been a f**king disaster as well :occasion5:

Truth hurts ,is above not true ?

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:43 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
wez1927 wrote:I have just copied this excellent post,

I await Labour supporters trying to deny this factual statement! It's a long read but well worth understanding before you vote what an absolute shambles it would be if labour actually won please readers think with your head tomorrow!!





People forget labour destroyed and nearly bankrupted this country before, left the mess for the Torys. It was also Labour that sent our men and women into the middle east only to line their own pockets due to the oil situation!
Some interesting facts to consider in case you've forgotten what the last Labour government brought upon the UK!

Firstly Up to 50 thousand 'excess' deaths were recorded at hospitals during the last Labour Goverment. (Research by Sir Brian Jarman of Imperial College).

Also hundreds of stealth taxes, paid by the working class people under the labour government!
To note between 1997 to 2010 gas prices rose and electricity prices rose 69%. Why would the public ever trust Labour on energy prices?
The devastating impact of Labour's raid on pensions!! tax grab has cost workers £118bn no since 1997 (Office for Budget Responsibility).
5) Labour spent £148.7 million on a National Measurements Office which forces traders to measure their goods in kilograms rather than pounds.
-The Royal Mail is now sold because of EU Postal Directive 2008/6/EC, brought in by the last Labour government.



Council Tax doubled under Labour - 105% increase in England, 146% Wales. (The Chartered Institute of Public Finance & Accountancy: 26/03/09).
In 2012/13 Labour councils employed nearly 23,000 people on zero-hour contracts.
£660 million has been cut from NHS over the last three years according to the Welsh TUC.
When Labour came to power in 1997, spending on NHS managers was less than £190m. By 2010 this had increased by 450% to over £1bn per year.


Labour wasted £11bn of taxpayers money on a failed IT project which was eventually scrapped by the NHS in 2013.
Labour lumbered the NHS with vast PFI repayments - £50 billion worth of loans which are costing £300 billion in repayments.
It was the Labour Party who awarded the DWP Medical Services Contract to ATOS on the 15th March 2005.
Labour started the privatisation of the NHS. They brought in the 2006 NHS Act that introduced competition into the NHS.
Labour introduced competition into the NHS: Competition Act 1998, Enterprise Act 2002 & Public Sector Procurement Regulations 2006.



In 2006 Gordon Brown cut the flood defence budget by £14 million.
Youth unemployment rose by more than 40% during Labour's 13 years in office.
Total stock of social housing fell under Labour - 421,000 homes were lost from the social housing stock between 1997 and 2010.
British manufacturing grew by 28% between 1980 and 1997. Then, under Labour, it shrank by 6%: falling from 20% of GDP to just 11%.


Labour left a deficit of £156 billion, PFI liability of £301 billion, EU Rebate loss £9.3 billion, Sold the Gold loss £6 billion.
The last Labour government spent so much money on Labour cronies that it had a 5% structural deficit at the height of the boom.

The use of food banks went up tenfold under Labour. From 3,000 users in 2005/06 to over 40,000 by 2009/10. (The Trussell Trust/C4 FactCheck).
When Labour's Gordon Brown became Prime Minister in 2007, UK public debt was 44.1% of GDP. When he left in 2010, it was 148.1%.
Only 6,330 council houses were completed from 1998 to 2010 under Labour, compared with 17,710 in 1990 alone - Thatcher's final year as PM.
Tony Blair gave away a chunk of the UK's EU rebate estimated now to have cost the UK £9.3 billion between 2007-2013.
In 2010 Gordon Brown branded Rochdale voter Gillian Duffy "a bigoted woman" for daring to voice her concern about uncontrolled immigration.
Labour are now complaining about gambling. But they were the ones who wanted to build Super Casinos in some of the poorest areas in Britain.
Labour closed more mines in 5 years than Thatcher did in 11 years.. 211 mines closed under Wilson 1965-70.. 154 under Thatcher 1979-90.
Under
Labour zero hour contracts increased by 74% between 2004 - 2009.
Since Labour liberalised the law in 2000 to allow postal voting on demand, the number of postal voting fraud in Labour areas has soared.
Labour wants to charge patients, lord Warner said people should pay a £10-a-month fee to use NHS/£20 for every night they stay in hospital.
Labour were responsible for the rise in payday lenders. Now they are campaigning against them?
Labour presided over the slowest growth in 50 years and produced the fastest decline in British manufacturing since manufacturing began!
Labour MPs to remember: Denis MacShane (jailed), David Chaytor (jailed), Eric Illsley (jailed), Elliot Morley (jailed), Jim Devine (jailed) Blair invaded Iraq and Brown invaded the Treasury, both actions crippled us!!
Corbyn doesn't appear to respect the peoples decision on Brexit!

Think Corbyn is your white knight he's far from it!

Vote wisely people and remember there are other options and parties to vote for.


Wez do you help run the Tory campaign? Like your posts that's been a f**king disaster as well :occasion5:

Truth hurts ,is above not true ?


No most of it isn't

And if we compare to the Tories 90% of that you can times by 10 now 7 years on

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:09 pm

Well I think you can rule out a political career wez, the amount of times you have failed with your nonsense on here to convince people to vote Tory is pathetic you have probably convinced more people to vote Corbyn than the Other way. The best we can hope for is a hung parliament. The government to then be in turmoil during the brexit negotiating and a Tory party falling apart. Labour at the final hour has seen a surge in the party thanks to Corbyn and now probably realise that if they backed him instead of political sabotaging him labour would probably be in with a good shout. But the rise of Corbyn and the likes of Bernie shows the change in political scope, us youngsters are a new wave of socialist left wing liberals and it seems the right wing is just a bunch of middle aged well off people who once they reach retirement and realise they get shafted by the tories they will be claiming they were a.ways against them

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:15 am

bluebird04 wrote:Well I think you can rule out a political career wez, the amount of times you have failed with your nonsense on here to convince people to vote Tory is pathetic you have probably convinced more people to vote Corbyn than the Other way. The best we can hope for is a hung parliament. The government to then be in turmoil during the brexit negotiating and a Tory party falling apart. Labour at the final hour has seen a surge in the party thanks to Corbyn and now probably realise that if they backed him instead of political sabotaging him labour would probably be in with a good shout. But the rise of Corbyn and the likes of Bernie shows the change in political scope, us youngsters are a new wave of socialist left wing liberals and it seems the right wing is just a bunch of middle aged well off people who once they reach retirement and realise they get shafted by the tories they will be claiming they were a.ways against them

Ahh the righteousness and misguided innocence of youth...

Hate to burst the bubble dude but your so wide of the mark in so much you say I just can't help myself.

The best we can hope for is a hung parliament. The government to then be in turmoil during the brexit negotiating and a Tory party falling apart

Actually that is by far and away the worst we can hope for, it will leave us in complete disarray and you, me and everyone else would quite frankly be fucked for the next five years. However, let's leave that for the minute.

You're pretty much suggesting that the Government failing in its entirety is a good thing - which is would suggest you are a proponent of an anarchist ideology.

All fine and good if that's your thing but your post also suggest you support JC who is staunch socialist with Marxist leanings.

Now socialism especially the far-left Marxist flavour that JC is a proponent of, is all about Big Government, i.e. advocating that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the state.

Anarchism on the other hand generally holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, and harmful. So a bit of a mixed message there fella?

But the rise of Corbyn and the likes of Bernie shows the change in political scope


Actually you're spot on in that there is a change in political scope but it is as much more centred around right wing populist parties than just Corbyn and Bernie.

Marine Le Pen, Geert Wilders, Frauke Petry, Norbert Hofer , Jimmie Akesson , Nigel Farage et al have all moved from fringe politicians to the mainstream in the last twelve months. Oh and don't forget The Donald.

Not saying it's a good thing per se - but just pointing out the fact that the rise of populist parties does indeed indicate that there is a political shift - but it is largely to the right not the left.

us youngsters are a new wave of socialist left wing liberals

First up, again I hate to burst your bubble but every generation grows up as left wing liberals. Then unfortunately life experience eventually kicks in.

As the great Robert Anton Wilson said "It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea."

The fact is that true socialism cannot exist in a world where 98% of the world's 'national banks' are privately owned.

It sucks, it'd be better if we all helped each other - but it just aint gonna happen. People are generally a bunch of selfish bastards. Sooner you realise this fundamental truth, the better and happier your life will be.

Finally, if your part of the new brand of regressive far-left, antifa loving, free speech hating, free space needing, snowflake 'new wave' of the left wing then you really should refrain from using the word liberal as you do it a major injustice.

Not saying you necessarily are mind you, but felt I needed to just add that in just in case. ;)

On the plus side that Callum Patterson looks like a cracking signing - so there is something we can both be happy about. :thumbup:

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:25 am

bluebird04 wrote:Well I think you can rule out a political career wez, the amount of times you have failed with your nonsense on here to convince people to vote Tory is pathetic you have probably convinced more people to vote Corbyn than the Other way. The best we can hope for is a hung parliament. The government to then be in turmoil during the brexit negotiating and a Tory party falling apart. Labour at the final hour has seen a surge in the party thanks to Corbyn and now probably realise that if they backed him instead of political sabotaging him labour would probably be in with a good shout. But the rise of Corbyn and the likes of Bernie shows the change in political scope, us youngsters are a new wave of socialist left wing liberals and it seems the right wing is just a bunch of middle aged well off people who once they reach retirement and realise they get shafted by the tories they will be claiming they were a.ways against them



if only the whole party had backed me instead of militants sabotaging us.
the words of every labour leader for nearly 40 years.
of course the leading lights in this sabotage were JC,DA AND JM.
how things change.
people should be loyal to the least loyal politicians in history... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:24 am

Wayne S wrote:I'm pretty glad it'll be over tomorrow.

No more lobbying or fake news.

Let's be honest we all know what is going to happen. The Tories will get back in but May might not get the increased majority which was the reason she went to the nation.

It'll be intriguing to see if she stays leader if they come out of this worse off. She'll definitely go if there is no majority but I don't think it will get that bad.

Labour successfully made it about the full range of issues instead of just Brexit and this affected the Conservatives.

It's a shame the other parties have been so anonymous because the main two have had major issues. Abbott had a mare early on and I'd like to know where the hell Phillip Hammond is.

Would you bet you're life on May not increasing her majority,of course you wouldn't she Will increase her majority,live with it

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:26 am

wez1927 wrote:I have just copied this excellent post,

I await Labour supporters trying to deny this factual statement! It's a long read but well worth understanding before you vote what an absolute shambles it would be if labour actually won please readers think with your head tomorrow!!





People forget labour destroyed and nearly bankrupted this country before, left the mess for the Torys. It was also Labour that sent our men and women into the middle east only to line their own pockets due to the oil situation!
Some interesting facts to consider in case you've forgotten what the last Labour government brought upon the UK!

Firstly Up to 50 thousand 'excess' deaths were recorded at hospitals during the last Labour Goverment. (Research by Sir Brian Jarman of Imperial College).

Also hundreds of stealth taxes, paid by the working class people under the labour government!
To note between 1997 to 2010 gas prices rose and electricity prices rose 69%. Why would the public ever trust Labour on energy prices?
The devastating impact of Labour's raid on pensions!! tax grab has cost workers £118bn no since 1997 (Office for Budget Responsibility).
5) Labour spent £148.7 million on a National Measurements Office which forces traders to measure their goods in kilograms rather than pounds.
-The Royal Mail is now sold because of EU Postal Directive 2008/6/EC, brought in by the last Labour government.



Council Tax doubled under Labour - 105% increase in England, 146% Wales. (The Chartered Institute of Public Finance & Accountancy: 26/03/09).
In 2012/13 Labour councils employed nearly 23,000 people on zero-hour contracts.
£660 million has been cut from NHS over the last three years according to the Welsh TUC.
When Labour came to power in 1997, spending on NHS managers was less than £190m. By 2010 this had increased by 450% to over £1bn per year.


Labour wasted £11bn of taxpayers money on a failed IT project which was eventually scrapped by the NHS in 2013.
Labour lumbered the NHS with vast PFI repayments - £50 billion worth of loans which are costing £300 billion in repayments.
It was the Labour Party who awarded the DWP Medical Services Contract to ATOS on the 15th March 2005.
Labour started the privatisation of the NHS. They brought in the 2006 NHS Act that introduced competition into the NHS.
Labour introduced competition into the NHS: Competition Act 1998, Enterprise Act 2002 & Public Sector Procurement Regulations 2006.



In 2006 Gordon Brown cut the flood defence budget by £14 million.
Youth unemployment rose by more than 40% during Labour's 13 years in office.
Total stock of social housing fell under Labour - 421,000 homes were lost from the social housing stock between 1997 and 2010.
British manufacturing grew by 28% between 1980 and 1997. Then, under Labour, it shrank by 6%: falling from 20% of GDP to just 11%.


Labour left a deficit of £156 billion, PFI liability of £301 billion, EU Rebate loss £9.3 billion, Sold the Gold loss £6 billion.
The last Labour government spent so much money on Labour cronies that it had a 5% structural deficit at the height of the boom.

The use of food banks went up tenfold under Labour. From 3,000 users in 2005/06 to over 40,000 by 2009/10. (The Trussell Trust/C4 FactCheck).
When Labour's Gordon Brown became Prime Minister in 2007, UK public debt was 44.1% of GDP. When he left in 2010, it was 148.1%.
Only 6,330 council houses were completed from 1998 to 2010 under Labour, compared with 17,710 in 1990 alone - Thatcher's final year as PM.
Tony Blair gave away a chunk of the UK's EU rebate estimated now to have cost the UK £9.3 billion between 2007-2013.
In 2010 Gordon Brown branded Rochdale voter Gillian Duffy "a bigoted woman" for daring to voice her concern about uncontrolled immigration.
Labour are now complaining about gambling. But they were the ones who wanted to build Super Casinos in some of the poorest areas in Britain.
Labour closed more mines in 5 years than Thatcher did in 11 years.. 211 mines closed under Wilson 1965-70.. 154 under Thatcher 1979-90.
Under
Labour zero hour contracts increased by 74% between 2004 - 2009.
Since Labour liberalised the law in 2000 to allow postal voting on demand, the number of postal voting fraud in Labour areas has soared.
Labour wants to charge patients, lord Warner said people should pay a £10-a-month fee to use NHS/£20 for every night they stay in hospital.
Labour were responsible for the rise in payday lenders. Now they are campaigning against them?
Labour presided over the slowest growth in 50 years and produced the fastest decline in British manufacturing since manufacturing began!
Labour MPs to remember: Denis MacShane (jailed), David Chaytor (jailed), Eric Illsley (jailed), Elliot Morley (jailed), Jim Devine (jailed) Blair invaded Iraq and Brown invaded the Treasury, both actions crippled us!!
Corbyn doesn't appear to respect the peoples decision on Brexit!

Think Corbyn is your white knight he's far from it!

Vote wisely people and remember there are other options and parties to vote for.

Your making a huge assumption that most Labour voters can read

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:27 am

Was thinking of voting Plaid but Wez's bombastic posts have convinced me otherwise. I will definitely be voting for the Labour candidate now.

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:35 am

Jock wrote:If May doesn't get a big majority Brexit will be a fekkin nightmare for all of us, it will drag on for decades.


In total agreement Jock, I am on my way to the polling booth now - May needs a thumping majority to get real brexit through the house of commons without the bremoaners (the majority of the rest of them - with a few notable exceptions) trying to scupper it.

I expect the Conservatives to at least hold onto the same number of MP's and hopefully win an extra 5 or 6 in Scotland and 20 - 30 in key marginal seats.

I have to admit Corbyn has run a good campaign but surely people can see through all the talk? I have every faith that in the privacy of the polling booth most will do the right thing for Britain.

I was brought up in Llanrumney and know first hand that if you dressed a hedgehog up in a suit with a red ribbon on it - it would get elected !!

Oh, I have been meaning to post this artical for the last few days for the pleasure of all you - "Maggie devastated the pits" lot

http://peoplescharter.org/pit-closures- ... -thatcher/


Pit closures were a Labour policy; Wilson shut twice as many as Thatcher

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:50 am

FOOD BANKS? You're using food banks to argue why to vote Tory :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:00 am

Why can't people just keep their beliefs to themselves, ..this is a football forum.


Pit closures were a Labour policy; Wilson shut twice as many as Thatcher

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:16 am

langley wrote:Why can't people just keep their beliefs to themselves, ..this is a football forum.

Because the football season has ended, and it is better to talk about something rather than come on this forum and see virtually nothing other than Joe Bloggs has been transferred from Yeovil to Newport. Most on here are genuine fans, and have a look which thread is currently way more active than anything else here. All be over tomorrow, and if there is nothing to discuss there won't be a lot of point in logging on here.

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:08 am

wez do you know what ppl must think your a right wanker cos all you do is try and stuff your views down peoples throats your like a fukin christian version of isis :laughing6:

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:17 am

pembroke allan wrote:Im neither a con or Labour voter in fact I don't vote so as an impartial view Wez! for everything in this read you can guarantee that the conservatives have screwed Joe public and services when ever they were in power or is this a one sided view??
:thumbup:


Sorry Allan not voting means you don't get a say on anything politics based on this forum or anywhere. Draw a massive cock on your ballot or anything just turn up rather than sitting at home complaining at the political situation having not voted.

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:20 am

If voting changed anything they would make it illegal :lol:

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:56 am

bluebird04 wrote:Well I think you can rule out a political career wez, the amount of times you have failed with your nonsense on here to convince people to vote Tory is pathetic you have probably convinced more people to vote Corbyn than the Other way. The best we can hope for is a hung parliament. The government to then be in turmoil during the brexit negotiating and a Tory party falling apart. Labour at the final hour has seen a surge in the party thanks to Corbyn and now probably realise that if they backed him instead of political sabotaging him labour would probably be in with a good shout. But the rise of Corbyn and the likes of Bernie shows the change in political scope, us youngsters are a new wave of socialist left wing liberals and it seems the right wing is just a bunch of middle aged well off people who once they reach retirement and realise they get shafted by the tories they will be claiming they were a.ways against them

Awwww bless, you really are deluded

Re: Read now Labour voters !

Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:28 am

angelis1949 wrote:
bluebird04 wrote:Well I think you can rule out a political career wez, the amount of times you have failed with your nonsense on here to convince people to vote Tory is pathetic you have probably convinced more people to vote Corbyn than the Other way. The best we can hope for is a hung parliament. The government to then be in turmoil during the brexit negotiating and a Tory party falling apart. Labour at the final hour has seen a surge in the party thanks to Corbyn and now probably realise that if they backed him instead of political sabotaging him labour would probably be in with a good shout. But the rise of Corbyn and the likes of Bernie shows the change in political scope, us youngsters are a new wave of socialist left wing liberals and it seems the right wing is just a bunch of middle aged well off people who once they reach retirement and realise they get shafted by the tories they will be claiming they were a.ways against them

Awwww bless, you really are deluded


If you think the Tories want to look after the working classes, you're the deluded one.