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Corbyn,says do not prosecute Isis supporters expressing view

Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:28 pm

Telegraph News
Jeremy Corbyn said Isil supporters should not be prosecuted for 'expressing a political point of view'
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn CREDIT: JEFF J MITCHELL/GETTY
5 JUNE 2017 •

Telegraph

Jeremy Corbyn has argued that people who support Islamic State should not be prosecuted for “expressing a political point of view”.

The Labour leader told MPs that Britain should not make "value judgements" and that holding a view was not in itself "an offence."

Speaking during a parliamentary debate on temporary exclusion orders in 2014, he questioned the creation of “legal obstacles” for fighters returning from to the UK from Syria.

Jeremy Corbyn Anti-War Protest on the eleventh anniversary of the start of the war in Afghanistan, London

Asked by a Conservative MP if he believed Isis fighters should be subject to special measures when they return to Britain, Mr Corbyn suggested they should not be prosecuted for “expressing a political point of view”.

He said: “I have no support for ISIS whatsoever, and obviously that should apply to someone who has committed crimes, but we should bear in mind that expressing a political point of view is not in itself an offence.

"The commission of a criminal act is clearly a different matter, but expressing a point of view, even an unpalatable one, is sometimes quite important in a democracy.


"We should be slightly cautious about announcing that we will start to deal with people on the basis of a general view that they have expressed.

Mr Corbyn said he had "no truck with those who commit those barbaric acts", but urged the then Home Secretary Theresa May not to create further "legal obstacles" for those fighters entering Britain.

He called on the Government to avoid the knee-jerk reaction of saying, “These are bad fighters and those are good fighters, so we will ban these and allow those in."

Mr Corbyn added: "We are living with the consequences of the war on terror of 2001, and if we continue to try to create legal obstacles and make value judgments about people without considering the overall policy we are following, we will return to legislation such as this again and again, year after year".

Of an estimated total of 850 British men and women who have left to go to Iraq and Syria, around 130 are thought to have been killed and nearly 350 have returned to the UK.

Those returning face police questioning, but any decision to arrest people, charge them or keep them under surveillance is based on intelligence about what they did abroad, or any plotting they carried out before they left the UK.
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Re: Corbyn,says do not prosecute Isis supporters expressing

Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:54 pm

Another quote taken out of context from years ago. Corbyn has frequently said over the past few years that the situation and world has changed. Where as let's talk about Theresa May in the here and now with her police cuts and selling weapons to Saudi Arabia to allow them to arm extremists.

No hiding or deflecting the blame for this one. All of you that have claimed Corbyn is a threat to national security but are planning on voting for May? It's inexplicable. The evidence is there. May is the threat to national security and it has been proven. You can dig up as much stuff from 30-40 years ago as you want. Now is all about now. Stop making excuses for her. She has to go!

Re: Corbyn,says do not prosecute Isis supporters expressing

Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:08 pm

Zabier wrote:Another quote taken out of context from years ago. Corbyn has frequently said over the past few years that the situation and world has changed. Where as let's talk about Theresa May in the here and now with her police cuts and selling weapons to Saudi Arabia to allow them to arm extremists.

No hiding or deflecting the blame for this one. All of you that have claimed Corbyn is a threat to national security but are planning on voting for May? It's inexplicable. The evidence is there. May is the threat to national security and it has been proven. You can dig up as much stuff from 30-40 years ago as you want. Now is all about now. Stop making excuses for her. She has to go!



the arms to Saudi thing.......how exactly does the UK not selling arms to Saudi do anything other than cost UK jobs ? whatever they dont buy off us will be easily purchased through other countries, who at this point in time will only be to happy to take up the slack...this needs to be collective..maybe a UN decision.
POLICE...Labours manifesto only mention of these new police is to work on comunity beats..
Corbyn.....yes 40 years a nutter..but not all from 40 years ago....he goes around the mullberry bush every time he is asked anything about terrorism bills that might affect civil rights of these suspects..as he did nuclear weapons..as he has done with shoot to kill. ..i want plain clear answers not the contents of his brains internal arguements....99.9999% have all figured out the perfect world scenario doesnt exist but he finds himself constantly at conflict with it...

Re: Corbyn,says do not prosecute Isis supporters expressing

Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:14 pm

:lol: jezza terroists best friend a very weak man !
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Re: Corbyn,says do not prosecute Isis supporters expressing

Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:38 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40111329

May voted for half the things Corbyn did, or she didn't turn up, which is arguably worse. She's got a point of view but is too chicken shit to express it. She truly is a terrible politician, as she's let a very average one reel in a 24 point gap.

Re: Corbyn,says do not prosecute Isis supporters expressing

Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:08 pm

You are really making a fool of yourself.

Re: Corbyn,says do not prosecute Isis supporters expressing

Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:41 pm

Zabier wrote:Another quote taken out of context from years ago. Corbyn has frequently said over the past few years that the situation and world has changed. Where as let's talk about Theresa May in the here and now with her police cuts and selling weapons to Saudi Arabia to allow them to arm extremists.

No hiding or deflecting the blame for this one. All of you that have claimed Corbyn is a threat to national security but are planning on voting for May? It's inexplicable. The evidence is there. May is the threat to national security and it has been proven. You can dig up as much stuff from 30-40 years ago as you want. Now is all about now. Stop making excuses for her. She has to go!

Corbyn supports CAGE, the charity :lol: charity my hole, who stated Jihadi John was a beautiful young man and rather than being a evil murdering cu,nt he was in fact the real victim. For me May is the best option we have, her record on dealing with the Saudis is a problem for me, just as it is for all her predecessors who traded with this retarded cesspit of a country. Corbyn is a threat to the security of this country, he is clearly unable to make the tough calls necessary for a PM and lives in Lala land. The cuts to police numbers were forced on us by the catastrophic mess Labour left behind (remember the there's no money left note) of course Jezza, Abbott and co could just shake their magic money tree and flood the country with community policemen but somewhere along the way costs have to be met, personally I'd rather not leave it for future generations.

Re: Corbyn,says do not prosecute Isis supporters expressing

Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:53 pm

Zabier wrote:Another quote taken out of context from years ago. Corbyn has frequently said over the past few years that the situation and world has changed. Where as let's talk about Theresa May in the here and now with her police cuts and selling weapons to Saudi Arabia to allow them to arm extremists.

No hiding or deflecting the blame for this one. All of you that have claimed Corbyn is a threat to national security but are planning on voting for May? It's inexplicable. The evidence is there. May is the threat to national security and it has been proven. You can dig up as much stuff from 30-40 years ago as you want. Now is all about now. Stop making excuses for her. She has to go!




grange_end1927 has to be commended on this one, as he's managed to put together a post that doesn't contain personally offensive remarks strewn with expletives (always the last resort of someone who cannot reason and tries to intimidate through pure strength of volume) towards other members

As for his OP, he is way out of the Dark Ages and must spend all his time searching the internet for mediaeval stories with which to peddle his mis-informed rhetoric

But apparently, it's all okay because he's (quote) "only showing passion" on the current political situation!

So much to say...with so little to back it up! ;) :thumbright: :laughing6: :laughing6:

Re: Corbyn,says do not prosecute Isis supporters expressing

Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:01 pm

Sven wrote:
Zabier wrote:Another quote taken out of context from years ago. Corbyn has frequently said over the past few years that the situation and world has changed. Where as let's talk about Theresa May in the here and now with her police cuts and selling weapons to Saudi Arabia to allow them to arm extremists.

No hiding or deflecting the blame for this one. All of you that have claimed Corbyn is a threat to national security but are planning on voting for May? It's inexplicable. The evidence is there. May is the threat to national security and it has been proven. You can dig up as much stuff from 30-40 years ago as you want. Now is all about now. Stop making excuses for her. She has to go!




grange_end1927 has to be commended on this one, as he's managed to put together a post that doesn't contain personally offensive remarks strewn with expletives (always the last resort of someone who cannot reason and tries to intimidate through pure strength of volume) towards other members

As for his OP, he is way out of the Dark Ages and must spend all his time searching the internet for mediaeval stories with which to peddle his mis-informed rhetoric

But apparently, it's all okay because he's (quote) "only showing passion" on the current political situation!

So much to say...with so little to back it up! ;) :thumbright: :laughing6: :laughing6:

The World has indeed changed but Islamic terror is not new. Corbyn thinks we can sort it out with a chat, just like the ones he had with Irish Republican murder gangs.

Re: Corbyn,says do not prosecute Isis supporters expressing

Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:35 pm

Jock wrote:
Sven wrote:
Zabier wrote:Another quote taken out of context from years ago. Corbyn has frequently said over the past few years that the situation and world has changed. Where as let's talk about Theresa May in the here and now with her police cuts and selling weapons to Saudi Arabia to allow them to arm extremists.

No hiding or deflecting the blame for this one. All of you that have claimed Corbyn is a threat to national security but are planning on voting for May? It's inexplicable. The evidence is there. May is the threat to national security and it has been proven. You can dig up as much stuff from 30-40 years ago as you want. Now is all about now. Stop making excuses for her. She has to go!




grange_end1927 has to be commended on this one, as he's managed to put together a post that doesn't contain personally offensive remarks strewn with expletives (always the last resort of someone who cannot reason and tries to intimidate through pure strength of volume) towards other members

As for his OP, he is way out of the Dark Ages and must spend all his time searching the internet for mediaeval stories with which to peddle his mis-informed rhetoric

But apparently, it's all okay because he's (quote) "only showing passion" on the current political situation!

So much to say...with so little to back it up! ;) :thumbright: :laughing6: :laughing6:

The World has indeed changed but Islamic terror is not new. Corbyn thinks we can sort it out with a chat, just like the ones he had with Irish Republican murder gangs.


A chat to the Irish Republicans in jail by Mo Mowlem led to the Good Friday peace talks, so you can say "it is good to talk" and just like Corbyn is now, she was criticised for it at the time

Re: Corbyn,says do not prosecute Isis supporters expressing

Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:38 pm

rontom wrote:
Jock wrote:
Sven wrote:
Zabier wrote:Another quote taken out of context from years ago. Corbyn has frequently said over the past few years that the situation and world has changed. Where as let's talk about Theresa May in the here and now with her police cuts and selling weapons to Saudi Arabia to allow them to arm extremists.

No hiding or deflecting the blame for this one. All of you that have claimed Corbyn is a threat to national security but are planning on voting for May? It's inexplicable. The evidence is there. May is the threat to national security and it has been proven. You can dig up as much stuff from 30-40 years ago as you want. Now is all about now. Stop making excuses for her. She has to go!




grange_end1927 has to be commended on this one, as he's managed to put together a post that doesn't contain personally offensive remarks strewn with expletives (always the last resort of someone who cannot reason and tries to intimidate through pure strength of volume) towards other members

As for his OP, he is way out of the Dark Ages and must spend all his time searching the internet for mediaeval stories with which to peddle his mis-informed rhetoric

But apparently, it's all okay because he's (quote) "only showing passion" on the current political situation!

So much to say...with so little to back it up! ;) :thumbright: :laughing6: :laughing6:

The World has indeed changed but Islamic terror is not new. Corbyn thinks we can sort it out with a chat, just like the ones he had with Irish Republican murder gangs.


A chat to the Irish Republicans in jail by Mo Mowlem led to the Good Friday peace talks, so you can say "it is good to talk" and just like Corbyn is now, she was criticised for it at the time

Mo Mowlem wanted peace, Corbyn had nothing to do with the peace process, he wanted a victory for the IRA, he preferred to cosy up to Scum rather than talk to SDLP alliance leader John Hume and called him a sellout. Rewrite history all you like but thems the facts. No doubt you think him endorsing CAGE is fine to, or what about his friends in Hamas.

Re: Corbyn,says do not prosecute Isis supporters expressing

Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:49 pm

rontom wrote:
Jock wrote:
Sven wrote:
Zabier wrote:Another quote taken out of context from years ago. Corbyn has frequently said over the past few years that the situation and world has changed. Where as let's talk about Theresa May in the here and now with her police cuts and selling weapons to Saudi Arabia to allow them to arm extremists.

No hiding or deflecting the blame for this one. All of you that have claimed Corbyn is a threat to national security but are planning on voting for May? It's inexplicable. The evidence is there. May is the threat to national security and it has been proven. You can dig up as much stuff from 30-40 years ago as you want. Now is all about now. Stop making excuses for her. She has to go!




grange_end1927 has to be commended on this one, as he's managed to put together a post that doesn't contain personally offensive remarks strewn with expletives (always the last resort of someone who cannot reason and tries to intimidate through pure strength of volume) towards other members

As for his OP, he is way out of the Dark Ages and must spend all his time searching the internet for mediaeval stories with which to peddle his mis-informed rhetoric

But apparently, it's all okay because he's (quote) "only showing passion" on the current political situation!

So much to say...with so little to back it up! ;) :thumbright: :laughing6: :laughing6:

The World has indeed changed but Islamic terror is not new. Corbyn thinks we can sort it out with a chat, just like the ones he had with Irish Republican murder gangs.


A chat to the Irish Republicans in jail by Mo Mowlem led to the Good Friday peace talks, so you can say "it is good to talk" and just like Corbyn is now, she was criticised for it at the time

Corbyn was not talking to them about peace. He had no mandate or authority from the government. He didn't even have the permission of the labour party. It was his own self interest and personal plans. He played no part in the peace talks and should not rewrite history to try to claim any credit.