So what's the answer?

I'm of a very varied opinion of the terriost solution I am not racist in any form
But something has to be done they say there are 3000 potential terriosts on our streets instead of keeping these under surveillance something must be done but what?
Opinions please

I'm of a very varied opinion of the terriost solution I am not racist in any form
But something has to be done they say there are 3000 potential terriosts on our streets instead of keeping these under surveillance something must be done but what?
Opinions please

I would lock them up if they are british born and if they are foreigners i would deport them

I'm of a very varied opinion of the terriost solution I am not racist in any form
But something has to be done they say there are 3000 potential terriosts on our streets instead of keeping these under surveillance something must be done but what?
Opinions please

I would lock them up if they are british born and if they are foreigners i would deport them

That's how I see it mate not born here deported to their place of birth
Born in Britain any link to extrenisiam locked up till no more considered a risk

I'm of a very varied opinion of the terriost solution I am not racist in any form
But something has to be done they say there are 3000 potential terriosts on our streets instead of keeping these under surveillance something must be done but what?
Opinions please

I would lock them up if they are british born and if they are foreigners i would deport them

That's how I see it mate not born here deported to their place of birth
Born in Britain any link to extrenisiam locked up till no more considered a risk

We made our bed many years back, and Mr. Powell warned the nation what was around the corner. As usual, the do gooders called him a racist, buried their heads in the sand much the same as still happens today.

There is only one answer and if the state can't protect us then we as a nation must take steps to protect our selves

Start ignoring human rights court and if they are national of another country deport them without hesitation if necessary parachute the buggers in! France Italy ignored court and just deported extremist no Messing! As for Home grown scum build a prison just for them so can't spread their ideology, if convicted of murder life would mean life! others convicted min 30 yrs as mostly in 20s pointless giving smaller sentence as only come out bitter twisted as before!

My cousin was an undercover cop. He infiltrated drug gangs by acting as a drug user himself. He would be on the streets for months, first of all getting the trust of a drug users and gaining their trust to be introdced to the ring leaders. He work banged up number of leaders and quite a few drug users. Banging up the drug users made him uncomfortable.

He now works for organisations that try to rehab the drug user. He is an opponent of what he use to do. Take the drug user off the street, rehab them and you will kill the business. Well that his belief and coming from a guy living on both sides of the problem who am I to doubt him.

I just wonder if his philosophy would work here.

I'm of a very varied opinion of the terriost solution I am not racist in any form
But something has to be done they say there are 3000 potential terriosts on our streets instead of keeping these under surveillance something must be done but what?
Opinions please

Sadly I think we are a very long way from getting the answer to the "Islamist Extremists" who carryout these horrendous attacks, not just in this country, but throughout the world.

Having said that I think a good start would be if our Politicians call this problem exactly what it is "Islamist Extremism". Last night the 3 Islamist Extremists were shouting "This Is For Allah" but today Sadiq Khan placed a strong message of condemnation for the "Terrorists" on Twitter but not once did he mention "Islamist Extremism". Now Sadiq Khan is a thoroughly decent bloke but, in my opinion, his message should have mentioned what is at the core of last nights horrific events.

As I see it until our Politicians, and not just Sadiq Khan, but every single one calls this problem for what it is we will get nowhere. Today TM has said in a statement "Enough Is Enough", what does that mean? In my opinion she needs to send a message of "Zero Tolerance" on this issue. Then after the election recall Parliament and pass into Law Emergency Legislation allowing the electronic tagging of each and everyone of the 3000 possible Islamist Extremists in this country and placing them under 24 hours "House Arrest" until they have been cleared by MI5 as fit to return to our Society.

I'm sure many will feel that's an "Extreme" thing to do but how many innocent people have to be killed before "Enough really does become Enough".

I am unsure of he religious structure or who is head of UK Islam, lets start making him the public face of this peaceful religion, because lets be truthful here we are talking about 0.000001% of the UK Muslim population.

The issue is the lack of accountability within their structure. If this was in the name of the Catholic church we'd have the Archbishop of Westminster apologising and denouncing the act on TV and we'd expect the pope to get involved as well. Where are they ?

Someone always knows something but chooses to ignore it, because you are going against your religion, this must stop and the head of each mosque are key.....

More Boys in blue to start with .

I'm of a very varied opinion of the terriost solution I am not racist in any form
But something has to be done they say there are 3000 potential terriosts on our streets instead of keeping these under surveillance something must be done but what?
Opinions please

I would lock them up if they are british born and if they are foreigners i would deport them

That's how I see it mate not born here deported to their place of birth
Born in Britain any link to extrenisiam locked up till no more considered a risk

We made our bed many years back, and Mr. Powell warned the nation what was around the corner. As usual, the do gooders called him a racist, buried their heads in the sand much the same as still happens today.

very true steve and now its come full circle where our possible new home secretary will tell you its us whites who are the problem

This article tells us the truth that you won't get from politicians whatever colour.

http://johnpilger.com/articles/terror-i ... ister-know

This article tells us the truth that you won't get from politicians whatever colour.

http://johnpilger.com/articles/terror-i ... ister-know

what makes you think this fella has all the answers. or that this article is accurate.

Situations like this always create hysteria. Understandably so. They are sickening acts of cowardice and violence. I'll tell you one thing. The answer is not bombing.

It's a complex situation because it's a complex problem. I do not think there are single approaches that will solve it. Lots of issues need addressing. I think the relatives and friends of those with extreme views must do the brave and decent thing and make the necessary authorities aware of the potential risk. Easier said than done. If you had suspicions one of your loved ones or friends had turned to Islamic extremism, would you rat them out? We all want to think we would but would we?

The Muslim communities will be put under pressure to become more vigilante and rightly so. I am one of the biggest lefties in here and it's not like these extremists run around shouting their mouths off but the fact is these extremists are hiding themselves in amongst the millions of very decent and good-natured Muslims. The ones who are serious about causing damage keep it very quiet. They're not stupid. Well, they are but they know how to hide their real thoughts from public eye.

The government's dealing with countries that have been proven to fund extremist groups such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar needs to stop. f**k the oil. Oil is not worth the lives and risk to public safety we are currently experiencing.

More resources need to be allocated to the police. When even the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police is demanding more funding and man power you know the situation has to change. 22,000 calls made to notify the police about extremists and a large portion of those could not be chased up due to a lack of man power. It's appalling.

Finally, a distinction has to be made about the difference between Islamic extremists and ordinary Muslims. In fact, I wouldn't even give Islamic extremists the identity of Islamic. They are just extremists. That whole extreme ideology preaching hate against certain groups needs to be eradicated. Whether it's white, black, or whatever. Root it out. That hate isn't wanted here.

A quick message to anyone tarring the Muslim community with the same brush. Don't cast your anger towards such a large group where the vast majority are just as innocent and victimised as the rest of us. It's wasting time in targeting and wiping out the real extremist threat.

I cannot imagine how the loved ones of the attack victims over the past few months are feeling. I'm not sure I'd have to strength to control any relentless anger. Let's hope terrorism is dealt with effectively and immediately in the name of those who lost their lives to the abhorrent acts. Most importantly, let's not forget that love should always prevail over hate.

Firstly we need to get out from the European court of human rights .
Secondly we need to stop being so politically correct .
don't believe tagging would work as how would you follow ever tag if a plan was formed so many tagged moved at once?
Death Penalty for those involved in terrorism (who are caught alive obviously.)
Agree with the earlier poster who said Enoch Powell warned of this years ago and was slated for it BNP , Neo-Nazi vigilantly groups will spring up I think and then the streets WILL run with blood.

These scumbags were part of the Anjem Choudry network, just like the two morons who did in Lee Rigby. Nearly every time a terrorist is locked up for a foiled terrorist plot in this country a picture emerges of him standing behind Choudry. The fact he was allowed to roam the streets for as long as he did is a complete and utter disgrace, he and his cohorts should have been locked up as soon as he started spouting his hatred.

We need to start targeting the radicalisers. These young lads who actually do the killing are not devout Muslims. Most of them drink and smoke weed all day and have criminal records as long as their arms. They are scum but they get taken in by radical Islam as it gives them a purpose in live. The likes of Anjem Choudry and other hate preachers are very intelligent people, Choudry was a lawyer and knew where the boundary is so nailing them is tough but we must do more to get them off the streets and brainwashing young Muslim men who previously didn't give a shit about religion. If we target the mosques and the hate preachers it will go some way into stopping this.

Finally, the 3k on the watch list. Either lock them up if they are born here or deport if they aren't. It's as simply as that, we need to start again. Get the vermin off the streets because there will be more attacks this summer because they know their number is up and they will want to go out with a bang.

One of the main issues is getting white British lefties to understand the problem

They are Muslim and that is a fact, they are not all drugged up loonies but are taking an extreme version of Islam that has been around since the 17th century and they take no prisoners, they are radical in their Islamic views and don't want any kind of chats with a nice cup of tea.

They want you and your family to become devout Muslims in their view of their faith and will stop at nothing to get it.

However, the leftist front believe by calling Christmas the holiday season and eating halal they will integrate and all will be well.. well it won't, the extreme version that the Isis have adopted hate everything that the West stands for and want is eliminated end of.

The problem here is that we are up against Isis and the pc left who are deluded and will blame anything and everything before they see that the problem is in some of the thousands of mosques that preach this type of Islam.

It is not always trump, may, West fault.. trump never caused the Rochdale scandal or made anyone blow up children in Manchester... sick, twisted individuals did that

One of the main issues is getting white British lefties to understand the problem

They are Muslim and that is a fact, they are not all drugged up loonies but are taking an extreme version of Islam that has been around since the 17th century and they take no prisoners, they are radical in their Islamic views and don't want any kind of chats with a nice cup of tea.

They want you and your family to become devout Muslims in their view of their faith and will stop at nothing to get it.

However, the leftist front believe by calling Christmas the holiday season and eating halal they will integrate and all will be well.. well it won't, the extreme version that the Isis have adopted hate everything that the West stands for and want is eliminated end of.

The problem here is that we are up against Isis and the pc left who are deluded and will blame anything and everything before they see that the problem is in some of the thousands of mosques that preach this type of Islam.

It is not always trump, may, West fault.. trump never caused the Rochdale scandal or made anyone blow up children in Manchester... sick, twisted individuals did that

For starters I am not a PC lefty, I am a Tory and have been for most of my life bar a few years recently where I backed UKIP. The vast majority of the actual people who commit the acts of terror are petty scumbag criminals and former pot smokers. The bataclan attack was done by two brothers who used to run a bar that was closed down because they were dealing from the bar, they were locked up for being drug dealers and that where they met a hate preacher, how Islamic is running a pub and shifting coke from behind the bar? Those who commit the crimes were not devout Muslims until they got radicalised, that is a fact. It's why it is important we target the clerics and close down any mosques harbouring these depraved individuals.

Situations like this always create hysteria. Understandably so. They are sickening acts of cowardice and violence. I'll tell you one thing. The answer is not bombing.

It's a complex situation because it's a complex problem. I do not think there are single approaches that will solve it. Lots of issues need addressing. I think the relatives and friends of those with extreme views must do the brave and decent thing and make the necessary authorities aware of the potential risk. Easier said than done. If you had suspicions one of your loved ones or friends had turned to Islamic extremism, would you rat them out? We all want to think we would but would we?

The Muslim communities will be put under pressure to become more vigilante and rightly so. I am one of the biggest lefties in here and it's not like these extremists run around shouting their mouths off but the fact is these extremists are hiding themselves in amongst the millions of very decent and good-natured Muslims. The ones who are serious about causing damage keep it very quiet. They're not stupid. Well, they are but they know how to hide their real thoughts from public eye.

The government's dealing with countries that have been proven to fund extremist groups such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar needs to stop. f**k the oil. Oil is not worth the lives and risk to public safety we are currently experiencing.

More resources need to be allocated to the police. When even the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police is demanding more funding and man power you know the situation has to change. 22,000 calls made to notify the police about extremists and a large portion of those could not be chased up due to a lack of man power. It's appalling.

Finally, a distinction has to be made about the difference between Islamic extremists and ordinary Muslims. In fact, I wouldn't even give Islamic extremists the identity of Islamic. They are just extremists. That whole extreme ideology preaching hate against certain groups needs to be eradicated. Whether it's white, black, or whatever. Root it out. That hate isn't wanted here.

A quick message to anyone tarring the Muslim community with the same brush. Don't cast your anger towards such a large group where the vast majority are just as innocent and victimised as the rest of us. It's wasting time in targeting and wiping out the real extremist threat.

I cannot imagine how the loved ones of the attack victims over the past few months are feeling. I'm not sure I'd have to strength to control any relentless anger. Let's hope terrorism is dealt with effectively and immediately in the name of those who lost their lives to the abhorrent acts. Most importantly, let's not forget that love should always prevail over hate.

Good post mate

I am unsure of he religious structure or who is head of UK Islam, lets start making him the public face of this peaceful religion, because lets be truthful here we are talking about 0.000001% of the UK Muslim population.

Whilst i genuinely appreciate the sentiment of your point unfortunately its quite naive to talk about Islam being a religion of peace and terrorist being 0.000001%

There have been a number of polls including the one for channel 4 a while back that showed 20% of UK muslims supported the 7/7 bombings.

Whilst that is still a minority view we aren't going to find solutions until we start accepting this is a much more prevalent problem than we currently do.

Not blaming you for posting it - its what our politicians keep saying but until we acknowledge the size of the problem we'll never be able to tackle it fully.

In answer to the OP's initial question...

My thinking on it is that first we need to accept the fact that these terrorists are not extremists but fundamentalists.

Their actions are exactly in line with the fundamentalist views coming out of the middle east where there are millions sharing the same view of Islam so to label them as a extreme is to make out they are on the fringe of Islamic ideology - when the fact is they are representative of a large section of regressive muslims.

As someone else on the thread said it is a complex challenge especially seperating what i personally think we should start terming as 'western' or even 'secular muslims' rather than the too open phrase of moderate muslims.

It may seem a minor point but defining a language around the issues, with clear understanding of what we are reffering to could help everyone, muslim and non muslim alike, have more constructive conversations without the fear of misunderstandings that often lead to criticisms and suggestions being labelled as Islamaphobic and shot down before they have a chance to be fully explored

That said - there is a lot that could be done right now within the UK much of which isnt likely for political reasons such as banning Saudi and Qatari Immams from British Mosques for a start.

Other ideas we should be exploring in my opinion include:

some form of regulatory body to 'audit mosques and madrasses,

segragating anyone suspected of radicalising other inmates in prison (massive issue),

reinstating religious equality in schools (i.e reintroduce Easter,Nativities etc)

refusal of re entry for suspected terrorists returning from Middle East without valid reason for travelling there etc,

stop polygamists being able to claim for multiple wives and restrict child benefits beyond two children,

invest in establishing energy self sufficiency to shift the balance of power in terms of our relationship with Saudi Arabia,

ban the full Niqab as it is divisive and a cultural not religious article of clothing,

reinforce freedom of speech laws including clamping down on far left thugs like antifa and fining/reducing funds for universities who refuse to engage in open debate (e.g those that refused to let Tommy Robinson speak despite it being sold out)etc etc.

For me though the biggest single thing we should be doing right now has to be the abolition of Sharia within the UK.

The reason i say this is that the challenge with Islam is that unlike other religions it is also a very clear ideology and an oppressive totalatarian one at that.

So side by side comparisons with other religions dont really bear out and to me it seems that the problems are all linked to the ideology more so than the religion.

In a secular society freedom of religion is important and i agree with and respect that.

However, it is also key in a western secular society that church and state are seperate - and it is this that is at distinct odds with Islam and their desire for Sharia.

If a western form of islam could seperate the koran from the hadiths, seperate the religion from the ideology - which ironically is what was happening in Iran pre 70s - then we might find a way forward.

Apologies for the long post. Huge topic that scares the shit out of me to be honest.

This article tells us the truth that you won't get from politicians whatever colour.

http://johnpilger.com/articles/terror-i ... ister-know

what makes you think this fella has all the answers. or that this article is accurate.

For me this article starts making you think the other way.

Our actions over the last couple of decades starting with Blair and our invsion of Iraq under a lie make you question us. Libya under Qaddafi is similar to Iraq in the fact we now have made it an unstable country. Yes it opposed our ways like Iraq did so we promoted both countries as a dictatorship. Yet were both countries a real threat to us?