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TV Debate

Mon May 29, 2017 9:42 pm

May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it

Re: TV Debate

Mon May 29, 2017 9:44 pm

angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it



She clearly won :thumbright:

Corbyn was a disgrace about the Falklands and fighting terrorists



viewtopic.php?f=2&t=184968

Re: TV Debate

Mon May 29, 2017 9:44 pm

angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it

Corbyn is good at actually not answering a question directly

Re: TV Debate

Mon May 29, 2017 9:53 pm

I thought she did well.

It doesn't matter what she thought about the brexit result. What matters is she accepts it and is now doing her best to get the best deal possible. It's ludicrous to think she would reveal her hand before the negotiations other than to say she will walk away if it's a bad deal. That's the only concession she SHOULD make.

What I got from Corbyn is he would not take out a terrorist with a drone strike and he would have asked the Argentinians not to have invaded the falkland. Nicely. But seeing as they did. He would like to discuss it and see if we could come to some agreement. Ignoring the democratic view of the people already there. You know. So you can have a process.

Re: TV Debate

Mon May 29, 2017 10:00 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it



She clearly won :thumbright:

Corbyn was a disgrace about the Falklands and fighting terrorists



viewtopic.php?f=2&t=184968


Pretty interesting there was no questions about May sucking up to the saudis who bomb innocent people (children)

Re: TV Debate

Mon May 29, 2017 10:19 pm

splottbluebird48 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it



She clearly won :thumbright:

Corbyn was a disgrace about the Falklands and fighting terrorists



viewtopic.php?f=2&t=184968


Pretty interesting there was no questions about May sucking up to the saudis who bomb innocent people (children)

Who do you think won the debate?

Re: TV Debate

Mon May 29, 2017 10:51 pm

splottbluebird48 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it



She clearly won :thumbright:

Corbyn was a disgrace about the Falklands and fighting terrorists



viewtopic.php?f=2&t=184968


Pretty interesting there was no questions about May sucking up to the saudis who bomb innocent people (children)



yes would be a fantastic question..if Labour had never sold arms to middle eastern countries..or Saudi.. or were saying they never would again.
reality is it was a photo op for a large trade deal .
one thats been used to try to deflect from Corbyns real terrorist friendly agenda.
i want our citizens protected. i dont much care about suspected terrorists civil rights. Jeremy thinks the opposite as do his fans.

Re: TV Debate

Mon May 29, 2017 11:00 pm

I guess it depends how you look at things regards the Saudis and then hezbolla/ira.

The royal family in Saudi are the accepted rulers of the kingdom. It is irrelevant if you think the should be a democracy or not. As the elected leaders of the uk there is an obligation to forge relations with other nations. Be it to foster trade and good will or to ultimately build relations when we can discuss humanitarian issues later.

The ira and hezbolla are NOT the legitimate rulers of their people. They are dissidents whose aims may well hold sway with people but they chose violent courses of action which are/were frequently directed at innocent men women and children with no connection to their fight.
One can not meet with them to discuss trade. They are not a country part of a trading block or seeking to join one. One cannot build relations to press home humanitarian issues as they are not a government in charge of aspects involving humanitarian concerns. As o said. They are/were dissident groups.

I can understand people sympathise with a plight or view.
As soon as the people pushing the point think it's acceptable to kill innocent people for their own agenda they cease to have a right to personal representation in my opinion. That is not to say someone who hold a similar view but openly and actively condemns the violent action can not be spoken to. But making friends with terrorists is disgusting imho.

I'm concerned that Corbyn seems to think every violent co nflict can be negotiated. Regards the falklands. The islands were invaded bexause the Argentinians wanted them despite what the islanders wanted. That's why we had a war. The only negotiations I can see are - get off now. His standpoint seems to be conduct a violent act and we will have a chat to see how we can smooth it over for you because no matter how twisted your view is, we will prioritise it.

This isn't a contractual negotiation between a union and an employer. Sometimes you have to forcibly say no because it's the right thing to do.

Re: TV Debate

Mon May 29, 2017 11:04 pm

Hmmmm interesting ...... every online poll has Corbyn winning the debate by a landslide.

Re: TV Debate

Mon May 29, 2017 11:58 pm

Blue Legend wrote:Hmmmm interesting ...... every online poll has Corbyn winning the debate by a landslide.

Everyone knows that the online media is infested with lefties

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 6:44 am

I find it frightening that people can actually believe that May won that debate !!

She will win the election but her performance last night was one of the worst I've seen by any leader of any British political parties. Weak, poorly prepared and showing no commitment to the policies she's put forward.

The polls show only 25% of people believe she won.

I don't think it will change the election result but anyone thinking she's the strong leader she claims to be had better think again.

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 7:18 am

splottbluebird48 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it



She clearly won :thumbright:

Corbyn was a disgrace about the Falklands and fighting terrorists



viewtopic.php?f=2&t=184968


Pretty interesting there was no questions about May sucking up to the saudis who bomb innocent people (children)


so did Corbyns pals in the IRA.

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 8:02 am

Jules wrote:
splottbluebird48 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it



She clearly won :thumbright:

Corbyn was a disgrace about the Falklands and fighting terrorists



viewtopic.php?f=2&t=184968


Pretty interesting there was no questions about May sucking up to the saudis who bomb innocent people (children)


so did Corbyns pals in the IRA.


Even if this was correct, the big difference is Corbyn's IRA sympathies are historical, May is actually dealing with the Saudis right now.

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 8:06 am

What were you watching? Wasn't even a "debate" for a start.

Neither of directly answered questions, the same as every other politician would.

And Neither May nor Corbyn "won" anything. It wasn't a debate, and regardless of the line of questioning, the Tory manifesto is still a pile of shit, and they're still going to privatise our NHS.

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 8:55 am

Its interesting that the more exposure that Corbin gets the more people can make their own judgements and not rely on the right wing press to form an opinion.And it goes without saying the reverse is true about May.

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 9:41 am

Sneggyblubird wrote:Its interesting that the more exposure that Corbin gets the more people can make their own judgements and not rely on the right wing press to form an opinion.And it goes without saying the reverse is true about May.


I think this an excellent point Sneggy. The more Corbyn is allowed to demonstrate his worth unsullied by the Right Wing press the more it seems he grows on ordinary people. May on the other hand is appearing more and more a Woman of Straw.

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 9:59 am

Corbyn obviously performed better last night. It was clear to see. I still think the Tories will win the election though so it's irrelevant. Unfortunately, too many people still think Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA almost 40 years ago (the right wing media's comments, not mine) are more important than preventing the privatisation of the NHS, increased rates of income tax for working class and middle class people, damning social care taxes (dementia tax), and erratic Brexit negotiations.

Here's a question. After watching how composed and relaxed the two leaders were last night, who would you rather send into the fire pit of the EU negotiations? May who stuttered over basic questions in front of a 100 strong audience or Corbyn who was attacked constantly by Tory-supporting Corbyn but kept his cool? Bear in mind which one of those two actually thought leaving the EU was probably for the best... it was Corbyn in case you didn't know. May refused to admit she still felt leaving the EU was a bad idea. If you want Brexit done in the best way possible then it clearly doesn't make any sense to send someone that wants to stay in the EU to negotiate Brexit over someone who thinks leaving is probably better.

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 10:20 am

Zabier wrote:Corbyn obviously performed better last night. It was clear to see. I still think the Tories will win the election though so it's irrelevant. Unfortunately, too many people still think Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA almost 40 years ago (the right wing media's comments, not mine) are more important than preventing the privatisation of the NHS, increased rates of income tax for working class and middle class people, damning social care taxes (dementia tax), and erratic Brexit negotiations.

Here's a question. After watching how composed and relaxed the two leaders were last night, who would you rather send into the fire pit of the EU negotiations? May who stuttered over basic questions in front of a 100 strong audience or Corbyn who was attacked constantly by Tory-supporting Corbyn but kept his cool? Bear in mind which one of those two actually thought leaving the EU was probably for the best... it was Corbyn in case you didn't know. May refused to admit she still felt leaving the EU was a bad idea. If you want Brexit done in the best way possible then it clearly doesn't make any sense to send someone that wants to stay in the EU to negotiate Brexit over someone who thinks leaving is probably better.

I don't think either one of them performed particularly well, although I would agree that Corbyn probably did slightly better than May. I still cannot see where Corbyn will get the money from to cover everything in the manifesto, and if it was as easy as just raising the rate of corporation tax etc., I am pretty certain someone would have thought of this many years ago. The promises look great on paper, but we all know that someone (in other words us) has to pay for them, and we are going to have to pay big time especially as the IFS have said that there is a massive difference in their figure compared to those that the Labour party have come out with. That is not to say that the Tory manifesto is not a pipe dream either, both have come out with some right whoppers, and it is up to the electorate to decide which party has told the fewest lies, and which party will be best placed to deal with us leaving the EU. I will be voting Conservative because I have no faith in those at the top of Labour, particularly the likes of Abbott, Mcdonnell etc. Had there been different people leading Labour with policies that could actually be paid for without bankrupting the country, I may have thought differently.

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 10:37 am

Steve Zodiak wrote:
Zabier wrote:Corbyn obviously performed better last night. It was clear to see. I still think the Tories will win the election though so it's irrelevant. Unfortunately, too many people still think Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA almost 40 years ago (the right wing media's comments, not mine) are more important than preventing the privatisation of the NHS, increased rates of income tax for working class and middle class people, damning social care taxes (dementia tax), and erratic Brexit negotiations.

Here's a question. After watching how composed and relaxed the two leaders were last night, who would you rather send into the fire pit of the EU negotiations? May who stuttered over basic questions in front of a 100 strong audience or Corbyn who was attacked constantly by Tory-supporting Corbyn but kept his cool? Bear in mind which one of those two actually thought leaving the EU was probably for the best... it was Corbyn in case you didn't know. May refused to admit she still felt leaving the EU was a bad idea. If you want Brexit done in the best way possible then it clearly doesn't make any sense to send someone that wants to stay in the EU to negotiate Brexit over someone who thinks leaving is probably better.

I don't think either one of them performed particularly well, although I would agree that Corbyn probably did slightly better than May. I still cannot see where Corbyn will get the money from to cover everything in the manifesto, and if it was as easy as just raising the rate of corporation tax etc., I am pretty certain someone would have thought of this many years ago. The promises look great on paper, but we all know that someone (in other words us) has to pay for them, and we are going to have to pay big time especially as the IFS have said that there is a massive difference in their figure compared to those that the Labour party have come out with. That is not to say that the Tory manifesto is not a pipe dream either, both have come out with some right whoppers, and it is up to the electorate to decide which party has told the fewest lies, and which party will be best placed to deal with us leaving the EU. I will be voting Conservative because I have no faith in those at the top of Labour, particularly the likes of Abbott, Mcdonnell etc. Had there been different people leading Labour with policies that could actually be paid for without bankrupting the country, I may have thought differently.


Thing is Steve historically the Tories have always explained their policies and their costings and were almost without exception ready with an answer if pressed on how they were going to fund this policy or that policy.To my mind its not the case this time and the Tory voters I know find this disconcerting.Also their tactic of fighting the election on personality is not going as well as they hoped and although I think in the end they'll win with a bit to spare many in the government are less than happy with the PM's less than statesman like performance.

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 10:37 am

Steve Zodiak wrote:
Zabier wrote:Corbyn obviously performed better last night. It was clear to see. I still think the Tories will win the election though so it's irrelevant. Unfortunately, too many people still think Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA almost 40 years ago (the right wing media's comments, not mine) are more important than preventing the privatisation of the NHS, increased rates of income tax for working class and middle class people, damning social care taxes (dementia tax), and erratic Brexit negotiations.

Here's a question. After watching how composed and relaxed the two leaders were last night, who would you rather send into the fire pit of the EU negotiations? May who stuttered over basic questions in front of a 100 strong audience or Corbyn who was attacked constantly by Tory-supporting Corbyn but kept his cool? Bear in mind which one of those two actually thought leaving the EU was probably for the best... it was Corbyn in case you didn't know. May refused to admit she still felt leaving the EU was a bad idea. If you want Brexit done in the best way possible then it clearly doesn't make any sense to send someone that wants to stay in the EU to negotiate Brexit over someone who thinks leaving is probably better.

I don't think either one of them performed particularly well, although I would agree that Corbyn probably did slightly better than May. I still cannot see where Corbyn will get the money from to cover everything in the manifesto, and if it was as easy as just raising the rate of corporation tax etc., I am pretty certain someone would have thought of this many years ago. The promises look great on paper, but we all know that someone (in other words us) has to pay for them, and we are going to have to pay big time especially as the IFS have said that there is a massive difference in their figure compared to those that the Labour party have come out with. That is not to say that the Tory manifesto is not a pipe dream either, both have come out with some right whoppers, and it is up to the electorate to decide which party has told the fewest lies, and which party will be best placed to deal with us leaving the EU. I will be voting Conservative because I have no faith in those at the top of Labour, particularly the likes of Abbott, Mcdonnell etc. Had there been different people leading Labour with policies that could actually be paid for without bankrupting the country, I may have thought differently.


The last point you make Steve is reasonable and fair and I can understand where you are coming from. As a Socialist I think Corbyn is growing in stature by the day and I'm delighted to see it. I'm not sure McDonnell deserves so much criticism but he hasn't yet been subjected to close scrutiny. However, Diane Abbott is a car crash and, with hindsight, Corbyn would have been well advised to keep her away in a locked room. She is undoubtedly a liability and will put off a lot of floating voters. I still expect a Tory win of course but I'm just praying that for the good of the country we can prevent them gaining a bigger majority.

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 10:42 am

Steve Zodiak wrote:
Zabier wrote:Corbyn obviously performed better last night. It was clear to see. I still think the Tories will win the election though so it's irrelevant. Unfortunately, too many people still think Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA almost 40 years ago (the right wing media's comments, not mine) are more important than preventing the privatisation of the NHS, increased rates of income tax for working class and middle class people, damning social care taxes (dementia tax), and erratic Brexit negotiations.

Here's a question. After watching how composed and relaxed the two leaders were last night, who would you rather send into the fire pit of the EU negotiations? May who stuttered over basic questions in front of a 100 strong audience or Corbyn who was attacked constantly by Tory-supporting Corbyn but kept his cool? Bear in mind which one of those two actually thought leaving the EU was probably for the best... it was Corbyn in case you didn't know. May refused to admit she still felt leaving the EU was a bad idea. If you want Brexit done in the best way possible then it clearly doesn't make any sense to send someone that wants to stay in the EU to negotiate Brexit over someone who thinks leaving is probably better.

I don't think either one of them performed particularly well, although I would agree that Corbyn probably did slightly better than May. I still cannot see where Corbyn will get the money from to cover everything in the manifesto, and if it was as easy as just raising the rate of corporation tax etc., I am pretty certain someone would have thought of this many years ago. The promises look great on paper, but we all know that someone (in other words us) has to pay for them, and we are going to have to pay big time especially as the IFS have said that there is a massive difference in their figure compared to those that the Labour party have come out with. That is not to say that the Tory manifesto is not a pipe dream either, both have come out with some right whoppers, and it is up to the electorate to decide which party has told the fewest lies, and which party will be best placed to deal with us leaving the EU. I will be voting Conservative because I have no faith in those at the top of Labour, particularly the likes of Abbott, Mcdonnell etc. Had there been different people leading Labour with policies that could actually be paid for without bankrupting the country, I may have thought differently.


Most of the Tory manifesto pledges are costed and they've ridden back on pledges before the ink was dry. She is asking the British people to trust her, when he's shown she is completely untrustworthy. She's a careerist who will do whatever it takes for her to get on top, even if that means destroying the country at the same time. Her breakfasts are costed at 7p each. Nutritious.

Also, the Tories have and are bankrupting the country. The decifit has doubled since 2010. Their austerity hasn't worked and will continue to fail.

Finally, when will May actually answer a question? She is a complete joke and a very average politican. To suggest she won (as many others above have said) is completely laughable and must be solely based on Brexit. I hope Spain is more tolerant of migrants than the UK seems to be. And for the avoidance of doubt, "ex-pats" are migrants.

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 10:51 am

petesmeat wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Zabier wrote:Corbyn obviously performed better last night. It was clear to see. I still think the Tories will win the election though so it's irrelevant. Unfortunately, too many people still think Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA almost 40 years ago (the right wing media's comments, not mine) are more important than preventing the privatisation of the NHS, increased rates of income tax for working class and middle class people, damning social care taxes (dementia tax), and erratic Brexit negotiations.

Here's a question. After watching how composed and relaxed the two leaders were last night, who would you rather send into the fire pit of the EU negotiations? May who stuttered over basic questions in front of a 100 strong audience or Corbyn who was attacked constantly by Tory-supporting Corbyn but kept his cool? Bear in mind which one of those two actually thought leaving the EU was probably for the best... it was Corbyn in case you didn't know. May refused to admit she still felt leaving the EU was a bad idea. If you want Brexit done in the best way possible then it clearly doesn't make any sense to send someone that wants to stay in the EU to negotiate Brexit over someone who thinks leaving is probably better.

I don't think either one of them performed particularly well, although I would agree that Corbyn probably did slightly better than May. I still cannot see where Corbyn will get the money from to cover everything in the manifesto, and if it was as easy as just raising the rate of corporation tax etc., I am pretty certain someone would have thought of this many years ago. The promises look great on paper, but we all know that someone (in other words us) has to pay for them, and we are going to have to pay big time especially as the IFS have said that there is a massive difference in their figure compared to those that the Labour party have come out with. That is not to say that the Tory manifesto is not a pipe dream either, both have come out with some right whoppers, and it is up to the electorate to decide which party has told the fewest lies, and which party will be best placed to deal with us leaving the EU. I will be voting Conservative because I have no faith in those at the top of Labour, particularly the likes of Abbott, Mcdonnell etc. Had there been different people leading Labour with policies that could actually be paid for without bankrupting the country, I may have thought differently.


Most of the Tory manifesto pledges are costed and they've ridden back on pledges before the ink was dry. She is asking the British people to trust her, when he's shown she is completely untrustworthy. She's a careerist who will do whatever it takes for her to get on top, even if that means destroying the country at the same time. Her breakfasts are costed at 7p each. Nutritious.

Also, the Tories have and are bankrupting the country. The decifit has doubled since 2010. Their austerity hasn't worked and will continue to fail.

Finally, when will May actually answer a question? She is a complete joke and a very average politican. To suggest she won (as many others above have said) is completely laughable and must be solely based on Brexit. I hope Spain is more tolerant of migrants than the UK seems to be. And for the avoidance of doubt, "ex-pats" are migrants.

It is almost impossible to get an answer from a politician, and as far back as I can remember that has been the case. Probably just as well, because when a politician actually comes out with an answer it is complete nonsense as we saw with Abbott and her policing costs the other week, or Corbyn and his costs for free nursery care today. Both parties are asking the public to trust them. Why should the public trust either? We have Labour with their £9billion black hole in their costings according to IFS, and the Conservatives equally as bad. The choices are not good, but ultimately the country will elect May because they will have more confidence in her dealing with the EU leaders negotiating our way out of the EU than they will have in Corbyn.

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 11:27 am

Steve Zodiak wrote:
petesmeat wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Zabier wrote:Corbyn obviously performed better last night. It was clear to see. I still think the Tories will win the election though so it's irrelevant. Unfortunately, too many people still think Corbyn's alleged sympathies to the IRA almost 40 years ago (the right wing media's comments, not mine) are more important than preventing the privatisation of the NHS, increased rates of income tax for working class and middle class people, damning social care taxes (dementia tax), and erratic Brexit negotiations.

Here's a question. After watching how composed and relaxed the two leaders were last night, who would you rather send into the fire pit of the EU negotiations? May who stuttered over basic questions in front of a 100 strong audience or Corbyn who was attacked constantly by Tory-supporting Corbyn but kept his cool? Bear in mind which one of those two actually thought leaving the EU was probably for the best... it was Corbyn in case you didn't know. May refused to admit she still felt leaving the EU was a bad idea. If you want Brexit done in the best way possible then it clearly doesn't make any sense to send someone that wants to stay in the EU to negotiate Brexit over someone who thinks leaving is probably better.

I don't think either one of them performed particularly well, although I would agree that Corbyn probably did slightly better than May. I still cannot see where Corbyn will get the money from to cover everything in the manifesto, and if it was as easy as just raising the rate of corporation tax etc., I am pretty certain someone would have thought of this many years ago. The promises look great on paper, but we all know that someone (in other words us) has to pay for them, and we are going to have to pay big time especially as the IFS have said that there is a massive difference in their figure compared to those that the Labour party have come out with. That is not to say that the Tory manifesto is not a pipe dream either, both have come out with some right whoppers, and it is up to the electorate to decide which party has told the fewest lies, and which party will be best placed to deal with us leaving the EU. I will be voting Conservative because I have no faith in those at the top of Labour, particularly the likes of Abbott, Mcdonnell etc. Had there been different people leading Labour with policies that could actually be paid for without bankrupting the country, I may have thought differently.


Most of the Tory manifesto pledges are costed and they've ridden back on pledges before the ink was dry. She is asking the British people to trust her, when he's shown she is completely untrustworthy. She's a careerist who will do whatever it takes for her to get on top, even if that means destroying the country at the same time. Her breakfasts are costed at 7p each. Nutritious.

Also, the Tories have and are bankrupting the country. The decifit has doubled since 2010. Their austerity hasn't worked and will continue to fail.

Finally, when will May actually answer a question? She is a complete joke and a very average politican. To suggest she won (as many others above have said) is completely laughable and must be solely based on Brexit. I hope Spain is more tolerant of migrants than the UK seems to be. And for the avoidance of doubt, "ex-pats" are migrants.

It is almost impossible to get an answer from a politician, and as far back as I can remember that has been the case. Probably just as well, because when a politician actually comes out with an answer it is complete nonsense as we saw with Abbott and her policing costs the other week, or Corbyn and his costs for free nursery care today. Both parties are asking the public to trust them. Why should the public trust either? We have Labour with their £9billion black hole in their costings according to IFS, and the Conservatives equally as bad. The choices are not good, but ultimately the country will elect May because they will have more confidence in her dealing with the EU leaders negotiating our way out of the EU than they will have in Corbyn.


The national debt is £1.6 trillion. £9bn sounds like a lot but compared to that (and I haven't seen the figures you've quoted), it is insignificant.

May, and Cameron before her, have consistently failed to hit every single target and by a distance. National debt has on the increase compared to GDP and I don't see how anyone can trust her bluster with the EU. They have already got their position, David Davis says he has 1,000 pages on it, which in my mind is far too little.

I wouldn't want to negotiate with May, and she needs the EU more than it needs her.

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 1:13 pm

How many times did she say there wouldn't be an election?1,0006 times at least. How many people will lose their heating allowance 690 million was mentioned yesterday by an economist,if it wasn't for free childcare by grandparents how many young families would not be able to survive the austerity? Immigration less than 900k promised in 2019 what is it now 940k admitted by the lady herself,what happens to British citizens livin g in Europe after brexit?

Will they remain British or European citizens in the country they live? What happens to their British pensions will it be harder to transfer them to European bank accounts?
For the many not the few.
In Cardiff today never seen so many beggars on queen street, hope this is not a sign of worse to come and we have the European champions league final here on Saturday,I wonder what the Italians and Spanish will think of our city after they have visited

I say back SNP

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 3:15 pm

Who are you wrote:How many times did she say there wouldn't be an election?1,0006 times at least. How many people will lose their heating allowance 690 million was mentioned yesterday by an economist,if it wasn't for free childcare by grandparents how many young families would not be able to survive the austerity? Immigration less than 900k promised in 2019 what is it now 940k admitted by the lady herself,what happens to British citizens livin g in Europe after brexit?

Will they remain British or European citizens in the country they live? What happens to their British pensions will it be harder to transfer them to European bank accounts?
For the many not the few.
In Cardiff today never seen so many beggars on queen street, hope this is not a sign of worse to come and we have the European champions league final here on Saturday,I wonder what the Italians and Spanish will think of our city after they have visited

I say back SNP


1.4 million people now use food banks, it was 40k in 2010. :(

The majority of people on benefits are now in employment as well. It makes me sick to see what these heartless Tories are doing to the poor and disadvantaged. They only care about themselves.

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 8:27 pm

Oddschecker
Oddschecker wrote:Both Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May went face-to-face with renowned tough-talking interviewer Jeremy Paxman last night as the pair laid out their intentions for how they would run the country if elected on June 8th.

Paxman’s no-nonsense approach appears to have favoured the Labour leader as viewers complained of the treatment dished out to the Corbyn as Paxman attempted to highlight the difference between the Labour leaders’ personal views and what is included in the Labour manifesto.

His line of questioning to the Labour leader appeared to anger a large proportion of the watching audience and led to Corbyn reminding the host on numerous occasions that the manifesto was created to represent the party and not him personally. Jeremy Corbyn, explained “I’m not a dictator who writes things to tell people what to do…This is a product of a process in our party. That’s why I was elected leader of our party: to give a voice to our members and those affiliated to our party.”

The Labour leader came out of the debate with his reputation further enhanced as many praised him for his “humour” and “calmness” during Paxman’s onslaught.

Thersea May followed Corbyn into the firing line with questioning mainly revolved around her dealings with the EU regarding Brexit. The current Prime Minister stressed that “no deal is better than a bad deal”, implying that she’d be prepared to walk away with nothing from the negotiations rather than accept a bad deal.

Corbyn’s answers to Paxman’s tough question appeared to resonate more powerfully with the betting public compared to the current Prime Minister. Since the start of the Sky News and Channel 4 programme, the Labour leader has accounted for well over double the amount of bets placed on the next Prime Minister market compared to Theresa May. In total, Corbyn has received just over 66% of bets placed on the next PM market, compared to 27% for the Conservative leader.

Off the back of last night’s debate, Jeremy Corbyn’s odds have been cut by three different bookmakers to be named next Prime Minister following the general election and is as short as 9/2. Despite the backing for the Labour leader, the Conservative party remain 1/12 to win the most seats on 8th June.

“The support for Jeremy Corbyn has been relentless over the last few weeks, however as the Conservative’s odds continue to drift we are seeing more big wagers placed on the party.”

angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it

Forever Blue wrote:She clearly won :thumbright:


I guess u guys saw what you wanted to see?

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 9:20 pm

Dave67 wrote:Oddschecker
Oddschecker wrote:Both Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May went face-to-face with renowned tough-talking interviewer Jeremy Paxman last night as the pair laid out their intentions for how they would run the country if elected on June 8th.

Paxman’s no-nonsense approach appears to have favoured the Labour leader as viewers complained of the treatment dished out to the Corbyn as Paxman attempted to highlight the difference between the Labour leaders’ personal views and what is included in the Labour manifesto.

His line of questioning to the Labour leader appeared to anger a large proportion of the watching audience and led to Corbyn reminding the host on numerous occasions that the manifesto was created to represent the party and not him personally. Jeremy Corbyn, explained “I’m not a dictator who writes things to tell people what to do…This is a product of a process in our party. That’s why I was elected leader of our party: to give a voice to our members and those affiliated to our party.”

The Labour leader came out of the debate with his reputation further enhanced as many praised him for his “humour” and “calmness” during Paxman’s onslaught.

Thersea May followed Corbyn into the firing line with questioning mainly revolved around her dealings with the EU regarding Brexit. The current Prime Minister stressed that “no deal is better than a bad deal”, implying that she’d be prepared to walk away with nothing from the negotiations rather than accept a bad deal.

Corbyn’s answers to Paxman’s tough question appeared to resonate more powerfully with the betting public compared to the current Prime Minister. Since the start of the Sky News and Channel 4 programme, the Labour leader has accounted for well over double the amount of bets placed on the next Prime Minister market compared to Theresa May. In total, Corbyn has received just over 66% of bets placed on the next PM market, compared to 27% for the Conservative leader.

Off the back of last night’s debate, Jeremy Corbyn’s odds have been cut by three different bookmakers to be named next Prime Minister following the general election and is as short as 9/2. Despite the backing for the Labour leader, the Conservative party remain 1/12 to win the most seats on 8th June.

“The support for Jeremy Corbyn has been relentless over the last few weeks, however as the Conservative’s odds continue to drift we are seeing more big wagers placed on the party.”

angelis1949 wrote:May won the debate no ifs or buts May won the debate,come on you lefties on here deny it

Forever Blue wrote:She clearly won :thumbright:


I guess u guys saw what you wanted to see?

I said they were worth a bet a couple of weeks back when you could still get 20/1, not bad odds in a two horse race. I guess their odds were bound to get shorter as more and more bets were made. The average punter is not going to bet on a party at 1/16. I fully expect a comfortable Tory win, but I still shoved a tenner on Labour a while back.

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 11:32 pm

Been away, just got around to watching it. How in gods name anyone could say she "won" is laughable. I'm no fan of Mays but I almost felt sorry for her at times.
If it was a football match I would say it was a comfortable 2-0 win to JC.

This is supposed to be a part political election, it shouldn't be a presidential election, but that's what May has made it and she didn't bank on the fact that JC would get out to all corners of the country and show people that he is simply a much more honest and genuine person than she is.

The tories whole campaign, which coincidentally is reflected on this very message board, is based on personal attacks and shamelessly smearing JC. Labours campaign has been based on promoting a manifesto. This is precisely why the lead has been cut so dramatically.

Perhaps this last few days the tories would be better off spending their time promoting their own policies.

Re: TV Debate

Tue May 30, 2017 11:43 pm

harold pinta wrote:Been away, just got around to watching it. How in gods name anyone could say she "won" is laughable. I'm no fan of Mays but I almost felt sorry for her at times.
If it was a football match I would say it was a comfortable 2-0 win to JC.

This is supposed to be a part political election, it shouldn't be a presidential election, but that's what May has made it and she didn't bank on the fact that JC would get out to all corners of the country and show people that he is simply a much more honest and genuine person than she is.

The tories whole campaign, which coincidentally is reflected on this very message board, is based on personal attacks and shamelessly smearing JC. Labours campaign has been based on promoting a manifesto. This is precisely why the lead has been cut so dramatically.

Perhaps this last few days the tories would be better off spending their time promoting their own policies.



the best bit was when he said being leader was as much about using this { his ear.}.as this { his mouth }.
NO Jeremy any infant school child could tell you...ITS ABOUT USING YOUR f*cking BRAIN.

Re: TV Debate

Wed May 31, 2017 2:56 am

dogfound wrote:any infant school child could tell you...ITS ABOUT USING YOUR f*cking BRAIN.


dogfound, having read many of your posts about politics can I suggest you stop taking your opinions from infant school children.