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As much as I dislike Corbyn, I physically hate May, so sadly my vote will be going to Labour I think. I'd go Lib Dem, but anything other than a Labour vote is a wasted vote for someone like myself who wants May out.

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As much as I dislike Corbyn, I physically hate May, so sadly my vote will be going to Labour I think. I'd go Lib Dem, but anything other than a Labour vote is a wasted vote for someone like myself who wants May out.

When you say you hate May it just tells me you're very immature how can you possibly hate anyone you don't know,I personally think Corbyn would be a very dangerous person to lead our great country but I could never hate him,I don't know your age but I'm hoping your very young which would excuse your very immature outburst

Worse than May, Rudd, Fallon, Johnson & Hammond?? That lot doesn't inspire too much either

Most of what I believe in Corbyn is the closest I have seen since Harold Wilson. The rest have been no where near including Blair and Brown.

However the though of Abbott stepping in when Corbyn gets shot for being PM scares me so on that it is a no to him.

As far as this shower is concerned it would be almost funny if it was just meant as a joke. The fact that it is a possibility is frightening.

Honestly, claims that Corbyn et al are a bigger threat to our national security than May et al just defy belief. It's clearly the stuff of right wing media sound bites.

Let's look at the facts. I hate to politicise the Manchester bombing but it cannot be ignored. May was repeatedly warned that cut backs to police and security intelligence would make us vulnerable to an attack. She ignored those warnings. Manchester was the victim of the grim reality of those cuts. That's not spin or political bias. That's fact.

As for Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser and IRA lover? What a load of BS. Corbyn has never done anything but condemn individuals that have caused harm to innocent people. How did the Good Friday Agreement come about? All parties sat down and talked it out. They understood enough blood had been shed and talking was the only way to achieve peace. Who was pushing for that approach for years before it actually happened? Corbyn. However, he gets labelled a terrorist sympathiser for simply suggesting talking is the way forward. As a sidenote, he's not had the same attitude with ISIS. He accepts some groups cannot be reasoned with but this whole idea that he's a threat to national security?

We are dealing in facts here. May, based on the facts, with her defensive cuts, threats against neighbouring countries over disputed territories, and robust rhetoric regarding Brexit negotiations, is the far bigger threat to our national security than Corbyn who has simply been a supporter of peace. Just look at his voting record. Voting against the wars in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. I wonder where we'd be now if the government had listened to Corbyn? I severely doubt we'd be seeing armed police on our streets on bank holiday weekend.

Theresa May was the Home Secretary that cut 20,000 police officers and was warned what the consequence could be in 2015.
Voters have had enough of Tory austerity and Tax cuts for the wealthy.

Honestly, claims that Corbyn et al are a bigger threat to our national security than May et al just defy belief. It's clearly the stuff of right wing media sound bites.

Let's look at the facts. I hate to politicise the Manchester bombing but it cannot be ignored. May was repeatedly warned that cut backs to police and security intelligence would make us vulnerable to an attack. She ignored those warnings. Manchester was the victim of the grim reality of those cuts. That's not spin or political bias. That's fact.

As for Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser and IRA lover? What a load of BS. Corbyn has never done anything but condemn individuals that have caused harm to innocent people. How did the Good Friday Agreement come about? All parties sat down and talked it out. They understood enough blood had been shed and talking was the only way to achieve peace. Who was pushing for that approach for years before it actually happened? Corbyn. However, he gets labelled a terrorist sympathiser for simply suggesting talking is the way forward. As a sidenote, he's not had the same attitude with ISIS. He accepts some groups cannot be reasoned with but this whole idea that he's a threat to national security?

We are dealing in facts here. May, based on the facts, with her defensive cuts, threats against neighbouring countries over disputed territories, and robust rhetoric regarding Brexit negotiations, is the far bigger threat to our national security than Corbyn who has simply been a supporter of peace. Just look at his voting record. Voting against the wars in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. I wonder where we'd be now if the government had listened to Corbyn? I severely doubt we'd be seeing armed police on our streets on bank holiday weekend.

Where to start with this myopic shite?
Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell and several more prominent Labour leaders supported the IRA, not the peaceful Republican Party, the SDLP Alliance, indeed Comrade Corbyn called SDLP leader John Hume a sell out.
What do you suggest we do with "disputed" British territories roll over and give them up.
Far higher police numbers did not prevent the 7/7 attacks.
If you are stupid enough to believe we are attacked because of our foreign policy you really haven't got a clue about fundamentalist Islam their aims and objectives.
As for the default position of the left, anyone disagreeing with you does so because they get all their news from the right wing media, really, are you that blinkered. BBC,Channel 4, CNN, and numerous printed media outlets have an absurd left wing bias.
But what's the point, your voting Labour, just like your dad you've always voted Labour and you always will, everything wrong in your own life is the fault of the evil Torys.

Honestly, claims that Corbyn et al are a bigger threat to our national security than May et al just defy belief. It's clearly the stuff of right wing media sound bites.

Let's look at the facts. I hate to politicise the Manchester bombing but it cannot be ignored. May was repeatedly warned that cut backs to police and security intelligence would make us vulnerable to an attack. She ignored those warnings. Manchester was the victim of the grim reality of those cuts. That's not spin or political bias. That's fact.

As for Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser and IRA lover? What a load of BS. Corbyn has never done anything but condemn individuals that have caused harm to innocent people. How did the Good Friday Agreement come about? All parties sat down and talked it out. They understood enough blood had been shed and talking was the only way to achieve peace. Who was pushing for that approach for years before it actually happened? Corbyn. However, he gets labelled a terrorist sympathiser for simply suggesting talking is the way forward. As a sidenote, he's not had the same attitude with ISIS. He accepts some groups cannot be reasoned with but this whole idea that he's a threat to national security?

We are dealing in facts here. May, based on the facts, with her defensive cuts, threats against neighbouring countries over disputed territories, and robust rhetoric regarding Brexit negotiations, is the far bigger threat to our national security than Corbyn who has simply been a supporter of peace. Just look at his voting record. Voting against the wars in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. I wonder where we'd be now if the government had listened to Corbyn? I severely doubt we'd be seeing armed police on our streets on bank holiday weekend.

Where to start with this myopic shite?
Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell and several more prominent Labour leaders supported the IRA, not the peaceful Republican Party, the SDLP Alliance, indeed Comrade Corbyn called SDLP leader John Hume a sell out.
What do you suggest we do with "disputed" British territories roll over and give them up.
Far higher police numbers did not prevent the 7/7 attacks.
If you are stupid enough to believe we are attacked because of our foreign policy you really haven't got a clue about fundamentalist Islam their aims and objectives.
As for the default position of the left, anyone disagreeing with you does so because they get all their news from the right wing media, really, are you that blinkered. BBC,Channel 4, CNN, and numerous printed media outlets have an absurd left wing bias.
But what's the point, your voting Labour, just like your dad you've always voted Labour and you always will, everything wrong in your own life is the fault of the evil Torys.

The agenda that the Sun, the daily Mail and the Express are running in demonising Jeremy Corbyn is not working. People have taken to his brilliant way of campaigning . People are listening and want no more austerity.

Diane Abbott
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQE_Xv-Do1o

I can not understand how people can vote for this Labour team to run the country.

Honestly, claims that Corbyn et al are a bigger threat to our national security than May et al just defy belief. It's clearly the stuff of right wing media sound bites.

Let's look at the facts. I hate to politicise the Manchester bombing but it cannot be ignored. May was repeatedly warned that cut backs to police and security intelligence would make us vulnerable to an attack. She ignored those warnings. Manchester was the victim of the grim reality of those cuts. That's not spin or political bias. That's fact.

As for Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser and IRA lover? What a load of BS. Corbyn has never done anything but condemn individuals that have caused harm to innocent people. How did the Good Friday Agreement come about? All parties sat down and talked it out. They understood enough blood had been shed and talking was the only way to achieve peace. Who was pushing for that approach for years before it actually happened? Corbyn. However, he gets labelled a terrorist sympathiser for simply suggesting talking is the way forward. As a sidenote, he's not had the same attitude with ISIS. He accepts some groups cannot be reasoned with but this whole idea that he's a threat to national security?

We are dealing in facts here. May, based on the facts, with her defensive cuts, threats against neighbouring countries over disputed territories, and robust rhetoric regarding Brexit negotiations, is the far bigger threat to our national security than Corbyn who has simply been a supporter of peace. Just look at his voting record. Voting against the wars in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. I wonder where we'd be now if the government had listened to Corbyn? I severely doubt we'd be seeing armed police on our streets on bank holiday weekend.

Where to start with this myopic shite?
Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell and several more prominent Labour leaders supported the IRA, not the peaceful Republican Party, the SDLP Alliance, indeed Comrade Corbyn called SDLP leader John Hume a sell out.
What do you suggest we do with "disputed" British territories roll over and give them up.
Far higher police numbers did not prevent the 7/7 attacks.
If you are stupid enough to believe we are attacked because of our foreign policy you really haven't got a clue about fundamentalist Islam their aims and objectives.
As for the default position of the left, anyone disagreeing with you does so because they get all their news from the right wing media, really, are you that blinkered. BBC,Channel 4, CNN, and numerous printed media outlets have an absurd left wing bias.
But what's the point, your voting Labour, just like your dad you've always voted Labour and you always will, everything wrong in your own life is the fault of the evil Torys.

The agenda that the Sun, the daily Mail and the Express are running in demonising Jeremy Corbyn is not working. People have taken to his brilliant way of campaigning . People are listening and want no more austerity.

Deluded lefty

I can not understand how people can vote for this Labour team to run the country.

Exactly we are doomed but i still only see a may win ,lefties are always vocal but the silent majority will not vote for labour and corbyn

Diane Abbott
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQE_Xv-Do1o

How can anyone vote for a party with her as Home Secretary. I fear for our children's future if this lot get in.

Honestly, claims that Corbyn et al are a bigger threat to our national security than May et al just defy belief. It's clearly the stuff of right wing media sound bites.

Let's look at the facts. I hate to politicise the Manchester bombing but it cannot be ignored. May was repeatedly warned that cut backs to police and security intelligence would make us vulnerable to an attack. She ignored those warnings. Manchester was the victim of the grim reality of those cuts. That's not spin or political bias. That's fact.

As for Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser and IRA lover? What a load of BS. Corbyn has never done anything but condemn individuals that have caused harm to innocent people. How did the Good Friday Agreement come about? All parties sat down and talked it out. They understood enough blood had been shed and talking was the only way to achieve peace. Who was pushing for that approach for years before it actually happened? Corbyn. However, he gets labelled a terrorist sympathiser for simply suggesting talking is the way forward. As a sidenote, he's not had the same attitude with ISIS. He accepts some groups cannot be reasoned with but this whole idea that he's a threat to national security?

We are dealing in facts here. May, based on the facts, with her defensive cuts, threats against neighbouring countries over disputed territories, and robust rhetoric regarding Brexit negotiations, is the far bigger threat to our national security than Corbyn who has simply been a supporter of peace. Just look at his voting record. Voting against the wars in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. I wonder where we'd be now if the government had listened to Corbyn? I severely doubt we'd be seeing armed police on our streets on bank holiday weekend.

Where to start with this myopic shite?
Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell and several more prominent Labour leaders supported the IRA, not the peaceful Republican Party, the SDLP Alliance, indeed Comrade Corbyn called SDLP leader John Hume a sell out.
What do you suggest we do with "disputed" British territories roll over and give them up.
Far higher police numbers did not prevent the 7/7 attacks.
If you are stupid enough to believe we are attacked because of our foreign policy you really haven't got a clue about fundamentalist Islam their aims and objectives.
As for the default position of the left, anyone disagreeing with you does so because they get all their news from the right wing media, really, are you that blinkered. BBC,Channel 4, CNN, and numerous printed media outlets have an absurd left wing bias.
But what's the point, your voting Labour, just like your dad you've always voted Labour and you always will, everything wrong in your own life is the fault of the evil Torys.

Nice to see someone using actual facts Jock, well said that man

ps. why does Thornberry always seem stoned when on tv.

This thing about getting involved in wars abroad bringing terrorism on us is rubbish imho.

How is it that Germany and Sweden get bombed ?

ISIS own material doesn't say anything about Oraq war etc.. it's irrelevant, they just want to wipe out all unbelievers.

If we'd sat on our hands like we have in Syria then there would have been a massacre like there is there, oh and guess what, thousands of unhappy refugees feeling they had been abandoned and ignored by the West on their way over.

Doing nothing would not have meant terrorism stopped.
It's a ridiculous suggestion and giving the terrorists an excuse by blaming their actions on this frankly makes me sick.

It was a labour decision backed by the vast majority for a government that I voted for and would agsin, but not the currentperennial protestors who live in dream land

Honestly, claims that Corbyn et al are a bigger threat to our national security than May et al just defy belief. It's clearly the stuff of right wing media sound bites.

Let's look at the facts. I hate to politicise the Manchester bombing but it cannot be ignored. May was repeatedly warned that cut backs to police and security intelligence would make us vulnerable to an attack. She ignored those warnings. Manchester was the victim of the grim reality of those cuts. That's not spin or political bias. That's fact.

As for Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser and IRA lover? What a load of BS. Corbyn has never done anything but condemn individuals that have caused harm to innocent people. How did the Good Friday Agreement come about? All parties sat down and talked it out. They understood enough blood had been shed and talking was the only way to achieve peace. Who was pushing for that approach for years before it actually happened? Corbyn. However, he gets labelled a terrorist sympathiser for simply suggesting talking is the way forward. As a sidenote, he's not had the same attitude with ISIS. He accepts some groups cannot be reasoned with but this whole idea that he's a threat to national security?

We are dealing in facts here. May, based on the facts, with her defensive cuts, threats against neighbouring countries over disputed territories, and robust rhetoric regarding Brexit negotiations, is the far bigger threat to our national security than Corbyn who has simply been a supporter of peace. Just look at his voting record. Voting against the wars in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. I wonder where we'd be now if the government had listened to Corbyn? I severely doubt we'd be seeing armed police on our streets on bank holiday weekend.

Where to start with this myopic shite?
Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell and several more prominent Labour leaders supported the IRA, not the peaceful Republican Party, the SDLP Alliance, indeed Comrade Corbyn called SDLP leader John Hume a sell out.
What do you suggest we do with "disputed" British territories roll over and give them up.
Far higher police numbers did not prevent the 7/7 attacks.
If you are stupid enough to believe we are attacked because of our foreign policy you really haven't got a clue about fundamentalist Islam their aims and objectives.
As for the default position of the left, anyone disagreeing with you does so because they get all their news from the right wing media, really, are you that blinkered. BBC,Channel 4, CNN, and numerous printed media outlets have an absurd left wing bias.
But what's the point, your voting Labour, just like your dad you've always voted Labour and you always will, everything wrong in your own life is the fault of the evil Torys.

Nice to see someone using actual facts Jock, well said that man

ps. why does Thornberry always seem stoned when on tv.

Facts?

Honestly, claims that Corbyn et al are a bigger threat to our national security than May et al just defy belief. It's clearly the stuff of right wing media sound bites.

Let's look at the facts. I hate to politicise the Manchester bombing but it cannot be ignored. May was repeatedly warned that cut backs to police and security intelligence would make us vulnerable to an attack. She ignored those warnings. Manchester was the victim of the grim reality of those cuts. That's not spin or political bias. That's fact.

As for Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser and IRA lover? What a load of BS. Corbyn has never done anything but condemn individuals that have caused harm to innocent people. How did the Good Friday Agreement come about? All parties sat down and talked it out. They understood enough blood had been shed and talking was the only way to achieve peace. Who was pushing for that approach for years before it actually happened? Corbyn. However, he gets labelled a terrorist sympathiser for simply suggesting talking is the way forward. As a sidenote, he's not had the same attitude with ISIS. He accepts some groups cannot be reasoned with but this whole idea that he's a threat to national security?

We are dealing in facts here. May, based on the facts, with her defensive cuts, threats against neighbouring countries over disputed territories, and robust rhetoric regarding Brexit negotiations, is the far bigger threat to our national security than Corbyn who has simply been a supporter of peace. Just look at his voting record. Voting against the wars in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. I wonder where we'd be now if the government had listened to Corbyn? I severely doubt we'd be seeing armed police on our streets on bank holiday weekend.

Where to start with this myopic shite?
Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell and several more prominent Labour leaders supported the IRA, not the peaceful Republican Party, the SDLP Alliance, indeed Comrade Corbyn called SDLP leader John Hume a sell out.
What do you suggest we do with "disputed" British territories roll over and give them up.
Far higher police numbers did not prevent the 7/7 attacks.
If you are stupid enough to believe we are attacked because of our foreign policy you really haven't got a clue about fundamentalist Islam their aims and objectives.
As for the default position of the left, anyone disagreeing with you does so because they get all their news from the right wing media, really, are you that blinkered. BBC,Channel 4, CNN, and numerous printed media outlets have an absurd left wing bias.
But what's the point, your voting Labour, just like your dad you've always voted Labour and you always will, everything wrong in your own life is the fault of the evil Torys.

You can't get away with stating that cuts to Police and Security Services played no part in the Manchester bombings and are not a threat to National Security simply because the 7/7 bombings happened back in 2005, that is myopic shite to use a phrase.

The point made by Zabier was a very good one. As Home Secretary the wooden doll made massive cuts to both services and in doing so hampered their ability to keep us all safe and monitor monsters like Salman Abedi. Like it or not the Labour Government in 2005 increased resource while since 2010 the wooden doll and co. have consistently cut them.

The real nightmare scenario would be a be a Labour SNP coalition. God knows where we are with Brexit if that happens. I'm afraid Theresa May made a grave error of judgement and the consequences for the country could be dire.

This thing about getting involved in wars abroad bringing terrorism on us is rubbish imho.

How is it that Germany and Sweden get bombed ?

ISIS own material doesn't say anything about Oraq war etc.. it's irrelevant, they just want to wipe out all unbelievers.

If we'd sat on our hands like we have in Syria then there would have been a massacre like there is there, oh and guess what, thousands of unhappy refugees feeling they had been abandoned and ignored by the West on their way over.

Doing nothing would not have meant terrorism stopped.
It's a ridiculous suggestion and giving the terrorists an excuse by blaming their actions on this frankly makes me sick.

It was a labour decision backed by the vast majority for a government that I voted for and would agsin, but not the currentperennial protestors who live in dream land

Couldn't agree more. Back in 2003 there was no option but to go to war after what happened with 9/11. The mistake was not having a credible exit strategy. But either way Islamic Terrorism was going to happen because as you stated they hate our way of life and are so brainwashed by their disgusting religion they believe they are doing 'God's' work.

The real nightmare scenario would be a be a Labour SNP coalition. God knows where we are with Brexit if that happens. I'm afraid Theresa May made a grave error of judgement and the consequences for the country could be dire.

I'm a passionate Labour supporter but even I recognise Corbyn and Abbot are huge liabilities. I would still prefer them to May and Rudd but basically the choice is awful.

I really don't believe Labour will win the election (although they would have under Yvette Cooper IMO) but I also don't believe May will get a landslide. She will win with a 20 to 40 seat majority.

However, that will be viewed by many in the Tory Party as a huge failure when it comes to the expectations pre-election and will set in motion their downfall as BREXIT negotiations get bogged down and the wooden doll starts to give in to EU demands over the divorce bill so the UK can have access to the single market.

This will cause mayhem on the Tory backbenches and a full civil war will breakout.

Hopefully Corbyn will be gone after losing the election and will be replaced by a more electable leader who will be able to take advantage of the Tory chaos.

What are Diane Abbots views on immigration.

I have just gone through my previous voting pattern, as a person i am a reflector

87- SDP
92 - Liberals
97- labour
01- labour
05 - labour
10- libs
15 - UKIP
17-Tories

So why did a centre left voter drift so right in middle age ? I just can't see how socialism or social democratic policies can work in such a globalised world. The welfare system and NHS however correct and noble can not function as if its 1948 or even the 80's with so much migration or immigration. We have such an open compassionate system that someone who has or his forefathers never paid into the system take so much out.

The problem is no party has the balls to talk openly about the issue and when May tried to have a sensible conversation about old age care she lost 10 points in the polls.
The world is basically selfish. Baby boomers have had the lot and want to keep it, generation x (me) are hanging on their coattails, generation Y an millennials are so self absorbed and want everything now for themselves, they appear to care for appearance sake but can't be arsed to do anything about it. This is why i believe the polls always over estimate the left vote.

Oh yes the Utopia of no military spending will solve the debt gap i hear the true left scream, but in todays climate that can't be further from the truth.

Most compassionate people would love to go with Corbyns idea's but unless he genuinely said how he would really fund it he won't be taken seriously. Double VAT to 40% would be transparent and reasonably fair, but issuing 40 and 50 year bonds to pay for a five year failure would cripple our next two generations. We only stopped paying for WW2 in 2006, that is the last time we issued bonds of such duration !!!!

I am not really a tory, but a pragmatist.

What are Diane Abbots views on immigration.

What are Theresa May's considering she oversaw record immigration as Home Secretary?

As much as I dislike Corbyn, I physically hate May, so sadly my vote will be going to Labour I think. I'd go Lib Dem, but anything other than a Labour vote is a wasted vote for someone like myself who wants May out.

When you say you hate May it just tells me you're very immature how can you possibly hate anyone you don't know,I personally think Corbyn would be a very dangerous person to lead our great country but I could never hate him,I don't know your age but I'm hoping your very young which would excuse your very immature outburst

A very simplistic view of things. That is cleaywtong. Of course you can hate me without knowing them. Everyone is individual and entitled to they own thoughts and feelings. Whether you agree with them is another story but to not respect the views makes you a bigot.

There's a few people I hate but don't know them.

I have just gone through my previous voting pattern, as a person i am a reflector

87- SDP
92 - Liberals
97- labour
01- labour
05 - labour
10- libs
15 - UKIP
17-Tories

So why did a centre left voter drift so right in middle age ? I just can't see how socialism or social democratic policies can work in such a globalised world. The welfare system and NHS however correct and noble can not function as if its 1948 or even the 80's with so much migration or immigration. We have such an open compassionate system that someone who has or his forefathers never paid into the system take so much out.

The problem is no party has the balls to talk openly about the issue and when May tried to have a sensible conversation about old age care she lost 10 points in the polls.
The world is basically selfish. Baby boomers have had the lot and want to keep it, generation x (me) are hanging on their coattails, generation Y an millennials are so self absorbed and want everything now for themselves, they appear to care for appearance sake but can't be arsed to do anything about it. This is why i believe the polls always over estimate the left vote.

Oh yes the Utopia of no military spending will solve the debt gap i hear the true left scream, but in todays climate that can't be further from the truth.

Most compassionate people would love to go with Corbyns idea's but unless he genuinely said how he would really fund it he won't be taken seriously. Double VAT to 40% would be transparent and reasonably fair, but issuing 40 and 50 year bonds to pay for a five year failure would cripple our next two generations. We only stopped paying for WW2 in 2006, that is the last time we issued bonds of such duration !!!!

I am not really a tory, but a pragmatist.

As a pragmatist I believe that in the modern world there is no need for such a small amount of people to own so much of the wealth. It is obscene that football players can earn £300,000pw, Phillip Green can be a 3 times billionaire by stealing from pension funds plus huge firms like Amazon and Starbucks can pay next to no corporation tax by using tax avoidance schemes.

Your point about the world being selfish is spot on, but you have chosen the wrong targets. If everyone paid their fair share instead of being greedy then we could fund public services in the 21st Century.

I have just gone through my previous voting pattern, as a person i am a reflector

87- SDP
92 - Liberals
97- labour
01- labour
05 - labour
10- libs
15 - UKIP
17-Tories

So why did a centre left voter drift so right in middle age ? I just can't see how socialism or social democratic policies can work in such a globalised world. The welfare system and NHS however correct and noble can not function as if its 1948 or even the 80's with so much migration or immigration. We have such an open compassionate system that someone who has or his forefathers never paid into the system take so much out.

The problem is no party has the balls to talk openly about the issue and when May tried to have a sensible conversation about old age care she lost 10 points in the polls.
The world is basically selfish. Baby boomers have had the lot and want to keep it, generation x (me) are hanging on their coattails, generation Y an millennials are so self absorbed and want everything now for themselves, they appear to care for appearance sake but can't be arsed to do anything about it. This is why i believe the polls always over estimate the left vote.

Oh yes the Utopia of no military spending will solve the debt gap i hear the true left scream, but in todays climate that can't be further from the truth.

Most compassionate people would love to go with Corbyns idea's but unless he genuinely said how he would really fund it he won't be taken seriously. Double VAT to 40% would be transparent and reasonably fair, but issuing 40 and 50 year bonds to pay for a five year failure would cripple our next two generations. We only stopped paying for WW2 in 2006, that is the last time we issued bonds of such duration !!!!

I am not really a tory, but a pragmatist.

Good post. The politicians come out with some good ideas that may work in a perfect world. Unfortunately, we do not live in a perfect society, and everything costs money which has to be met by us. The NHS can never be as it was in the 1950's, time has moved on. The population is increasing, and we are living much longer. It would be great if we still had the NHS of decades ago, or the numbers of police that we once had. Who would be prepared to pay for all that, plus the additional pensions that the state has to meet as people live well into their 80's and beyond. The very people who complain most about the cuts are the quite often the people who would be up in arms if we saw big tax rises to cover these costs. No party can address these issues properly without making some very unpopular decisions.