' Peter Whittingham's Future '

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‘ PETER WHITTINGHAMS FUTURE ‘

After 10 years at Cardiff City

By Gary Field

Until the talks which NW has said are due to take place this week have been completed then there is still a chance that Whitts will be with us for next season, given his age any new contract will likely be the last of his playing career, so at many levels it’s as big a decision for him as it is the club.

I believe that if he does leave then it WILL be to another Championship club, and one with aspirations of promotion, and there will be many potential suitors out there who will offer him more money than we have. Having said that I don’t believe any other Championship club will be willing to pay him £25k per week.

This summer WILL see the high earners like Manga & Whitts either leave the club or stay on much reduced contracts and this will bring the focus onto the next highest earners. Noone, Pilkington and Huws will now come under the spotlight and I’m sure NW would like to offload those 3 to give him a chance of offering both Whitts and Manga more attractive contracts.

When first asked about the Whitts contract situation back in November NW said that he had told Whitts not to worry about it as NW wanted him here as long as he was. Make of that what you will but last week NW said that the Whitts contract situation was nothing to do with Whitts turning down any offers and that it had already been agreed that the situation would be discussed at the end of the season.

Many say that Whitts is not a NW type of player yet in the first 11 games this season Whitts didn’t score a goal but in the 26 appearances under NW he has scored 7 goals. Others say that he doesn’t contribute in “General” play – REALLY This season in respect of “Key Passes” PW is in a League of his own, despite having less playing time, his passing accuracy is over 77%, compare that to JR – 73% and AG – 67%, again in respect of possession loss with PW it’s just 9 times, compare that to JR – 34 or AG – 22. Even in the more defensive aspects of the game like tackling PW wins 65% of the tackles he attempts, the same as JR and 5% higher than AG.

There is a saying in life that you never really know the true value of something or someone until you lose them, PW is the prefect example to prove the case in point and I hope that something can be sorted out that will keep him here for the rest of his career.






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we have to keep whitts the stats don't lie the man is a cardiff city legend offload the likes of hoillet and halford who bring nothing to the table

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‘ PETER WHITTINGHAMS FUTURE ‘

After 10 years at Cardiff City

By Gary Field

Until the talks which NW has said are due to take place this week have been completed then there is still a chance that Whitts will be with us for next season, given his age any new contract will likely be the last of his playing career, so at many levels it’s as big a decision for him as it is the club.

I believe that if he does leave then it WILL be to another Championship club, and one with aspirations of promotion, and there will be many potential suitors out there who will offer him more money than we have. Having said that I don’t believe any other Championship club will be willing to pay him £25k per week.

This summer WILL see the high earners like Manga & Whitts either leave the club or stay on much reduced contracts and this will bring the focus onto the next highest earners. Noone, Pilkington and Huws will now come under the spotlight and I’m sure NW would like to offload those 3 to give him a chance of offering both Whitts and Manga more attractive contracts.

When first asked about the Whitts contract situation back in November NW said that he had told Whitts not to worry about it as NW wanted him here as long as he was. Make of that what you will but last week NW said that the Whitts contract situation was nothing to do with Whitts turning down any offers and that it had already been agreed that the situation would be discussed at the end of the season.

Many say that Whitts is not a NW type of player yet in the first 11 games this season Whitts didn’t score a goal but in the 26 appearances under NW he has scored 7 goals. Others say that he doesn’t contribute in “General” play – REALLY This season in respect of “Key Passes” PW is in a League of his own, despite having less playing time, his passing accuracy is over 77%, compare that to JR – 73% and AG – 67%, again in respect of possession loss with PW it’s just 9 times, compare that to JR – 34 or AG – 22. Even in the more defensive aspects of the game like tackling PW wins 65% of the tackles he attempts, the same as JR and 5% higher than AG.

There is a saying in life that you never really know the true value of something or someone until you lose them, PW is the prefect example to prove the case in point and I hope that something can be sorted out that will keep him here for the rest of his career.






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What stats don't tell you is
65% of how many
Of 20
Of 40
Of 60
How many per game
Passes include 2yard passes back to where it came from
Don't believe figures you can make figures look anything
Not criticising whitts
Just the figures quoted mean shit all

http://www.annisabraham.co.uk/2017/05/01/peter-whittinghams-future/

‘ PETER WHITTINGHAMS FUTURE ‘

After 10 years at Cardiff City

By Gary Field

Until the talks which NW has said are due to take place this week have been completed then there is still a chance that Whitts will be with us for next season, given his age any new contract will likely be the last of his playing career, so at many levels it’s as big a decision for him as it is the club.

I believe that if he does leave then it WILL be to another Championship club, and one with aspirations of promotion, and there will be many potential suitors out there who will offer him more money than we have. Having said that I don’t believe any other Championship club will be willing to pay him £25k per week.

This summer WILL see the high earners like Manga & Whitts either leave the club or stay on much reduced contracts and this will bring the focus onto the next highest earners. Noone, Pilkington and Huws will now come under the spotlight and I’m sure NW would like to offload those 3 to give him a chance of offering both Whitts and Manga more attractive contracts.

When first asked about the Whitts contract situation back in November NW said that he had told Whitts not to worry about it as NW wanted him here as long as he was. Make of that what you will but last week NW said that the Whitts contract situation was nothing to do with Whitts turning down any offers and that it had already been agreed that the situation would be discussed at the end of the season.

Many say that Whitts is not a NW type of player yet in the first 11 games this season Whitts didn’t score a goal but in the 26 appearances under NW he has scored 7 goals. Others say that he doesn’t contribute in “General” play – REALLY This season in respect of “Key Passes” PW is in a League of his own, despite having less playing time, his passing accuracy is over 77%, compare that to JR – 73% and AG – 67%, again in respect of possession loss with PW it’s just 9 times, compare that to JR – 34 or AG – 22. Even in the more defensive aspects of the game like tackling PW wins 65% of the tackles he attempts, the same as JR and 5% higher than AG.

There is a saying in life that you never really know the true value of something or someone until you lose them, PW is the prefect example to prove the case in point and I hope that something can be sorted out that will keep him here for the rest of his career.






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What stats don't tell you is
65% of how many
Of 20
Of 40
Of 60
How many per game
Passes include 2yard passes back to where it came from
Don't believe figures you can make figures look anything
Not criticising whitts
Just the figures quoted mean shit all

All these so called stats mean little. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. 'Key Passes' what on earth are they? Like everything else they're subjective.

Cardiff City must fight to keep Peter Whittingham, says Danny Gabbidon


Former Cardiff City defender Danny Gabbidon insists the Bluebirds need to do everything they can to keep midfielder Peter Whittingham.

Whittingham, who joined in 2007, is out of contract this summer and has been offered a new deal on reduced terms, according to boss Neil Warnock.

Gabbidon believes Whittingham, 32, still has a big role at the club.

"I'd keep him, if it was me, if there was a chance of keeping him, I would," Gabbidon told BBC Radio Wales Sport.

Warnock is hoping to compete for Premier League promotion next season and Gabbidon, who himself made 221 appearances for the Bluebirds, said Whittingham still has what it takes to aid that ambition.

"If you have to re-work the contract, incentivise it, whatever it is to keep him there I would," he explained.

"Because if he's playing 10, 15, 20 games a season, he's going to score goals and he's going to create things with assists.

"If you look at the way Cardiff play, it's not this expansive style of football, so it is (about) set-pieces, putting the balls in the right areas and he's the master at that.

"I still think he's got a big part to play at the club so I'd be trying whatever I could, if I was the manager or the owner, to keep him at the club in some capacity.

"Whether that means a coaching role on top of that if he wants to go into that when he finishes playing. It's that kind of contract I'd be offering him."

Gabbidon revealed he had recently spoken to Whittingham and that he believes the midfielder wants to remain at the Welsh club.

"Speaking to him, I think he would like to stay, obviously he's loved at the club," Gabbidon added.

"He's been there a long time and got some fantastic memories. He's been fantastic for the club. But I think it's a bit all up in the air at the minute. It's 50/50 now to be honest with you."

Asked about the Whittingham situation recently, Warnock, who has tied down striker Kenneth Zohore to a new deal, commented: "I would imagine we will sit around the table again, but it might not be until the end of the season."

The Bluebirds are also increasingly optimistic centre-half Bruno Manga, who is himself out of contract at the end of the season, might sign a new deal also on reduced terms.

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‘ PETER WHITTINGHAMS FUTURE ‘

After 10 years at Cardiff City

By Gary Field

Until the talks which NW has said are due to take place this week have been completed then there is still a chance that Whitts will be with us for next season, given his age any new contract will likely be the last of his playing career, so at many levels it’s as big a decision for him as it is the club.

I believe that if he does leave then it WILL be to another Championship club, and one with aspirations of promotion, and there will be many potential suitors out there who will offer him more money than we have. Having said that I don’t believe any other Championship club will be willing to pay him £25k per week.

This summer WILL see the high earners like Manga & Whitts either leave the club or stay on much reduced contracts and this will bring the focus onto the next highest earners. Noone, Pilkington and Huws will now come under the spotlight and I’m sure NW would like to offload those 3 to give him a chance of offering both Whitts and Manga more attractive contracts.

When first asked about the Whitts contract situation back in November NW said that he had told Whitts not to worry about it as NW wanted him here as long as he was. Make of that what you will but last week NW said that the Whitts contract situation was nothing to do with Whitts turning down any offers and that it had already been agreed that the situation would be discussed at the end of the season.

Many say that Whitts is not a NW type of player yet in the first 11 games this season Whitts didn’t score a goal but in the 26 appearances under NW he has scored 7 goals. Others say that he doesn’t contribute in “General” play – REALLY This season in respect of “Key Passes” PW is in a League of his own, despite having less playing time, his passing accuracy is over 77%, compare that to JR – 73% and AG – 67%, again in respect of possession loss with PW it’s just 9 times, compare that to JR – 34 or AG – 22. Even in the more defensive aspects of the game like tackling PW wins 65% of the tackles he attempts, the same as JR and 5% higher than AG.

There is a saying in life that you never really know the true value of something or someone until you lose them, PW is the prefect example to prove the case in point and I hope that something can be sorted out that will keep him here for the rest of his career.






http://www.annisabraham.co.uk/2017/05/0 ... ms-future/

What stats don't tell you is
65% of how many
Of 20
Of 40
Of 60
How many per game
Passes include 2yard passes back to where it came from
Don't believe figures you can make figures look anything
Not criticising whitts
Just the figures quoted mean shit all

All these so called stats mean little. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. 'Key Passes' what on earth are they? Like everything else they're subjective.

I beg to differ but it's very much these type of stats which highlight exactly how lucky we are to have a player like Peter Whittingham.

A "Key Pass" is one which leads directly to a goal scoring opportunity different to an assist which leads directly to a goal. So far this season our team has completed 394 "Key Passes" which places us overall in 17th place in this seasons Championship. Of those 394 passes 121 have been "Long" and 273 "Short".

The 121 Key Long Passes puts us in 1st place and the 273 Key Short passes puts us the 24th place in this season Championship. From your comment on "2 yard passes back to where it came from" you clearly think that PW main contribution is passing the ball sideways or backwards over short distances. Complete bollocks.

This season the No1 individual player in the Championship for completing Key Long passes is - Peter Whittingham. His 52 Key Long passes each of which resulted in an attempt on goal is better than any other player in the Championship. Within the team PW is responsible for 43% of the key long passes this season compared to 12% from AG and 8% from JR.

These may be statistics but they are most certainly not lies damned or otherwise and only go to prove that within our team PW has the vision, passing range and talent to deliver a level of creativity NO other player can get near, and within the Championship he is still as good as anyone.

http://www.annisabraham.co.uk/2017/05/01/peter-whittinghams-future/

‘ PETER WHITTINGHAMS FUTURE ‘

After 10 years at Cardiff City

By Gary Field

Until the talks which NW has said are due to take place this week have been completed then there is still a chance that Whitts will be with us for next season, given his age any new contract will likely be the last of his playing career, so at many levels it’s as big a decision for him as it is the club.

I believe that if he does leave then it WILL be to another Championship club, and one with aspirations of promotion, and there will be many potential suitors out there who will offer him more money than we have. Having said that I don’t believe any other Championship club will be willing to pay him £25k per week.

This summer WILL see the high earners like Manga & Whitts either leave the club or stay on much reduced contracts and this will bring the focus onto the next highest earners. Noone, Pilkington and Huws will now come under the spotlight and I’m sure NW would like to offload those 3 to give him a chance of offering both Whitts and Manga more attractive contracts.

When first asked about the Whitts contract situation back in November NW said that he had told Whitts not to worry about it as NW wanted him here as long as he was. Make of that what you will but last week NW said that the Whitts contract situation was nothing to do with Whitts turning down any offers and that it had already been agreed that the situation would be discussed at the end of the season.

Many say that Whitts is not a NW type of player yet in the first 11 games this season Whitts didn’t score a goal but in the 26 appearances under NW he has scored 7 goals. Others say that he doesn’t contribute in “General” play – REALLY This season in respect of “Key Passes” PW is in a League of his own, despite having less playing time, his passing accuracy is over 77%, compare that to JR – 73% and AG – 67%, again in respect of possession loss with PW it’s just 9 times, compare that to JR – 34 or AG – 22. Even in the more defensive aspects of the game like tackling PW wins 65% of the tackles he attempts, the same as JR and 5% higher than AG.

There is a saying in life that you never really know the true value of something or someone until you lose them, PW is the prefect example to prove the case in point and I hope that something can be sorted out that will keep him here for the rest of his career.






http://www.annisabraham.co.uk/2017/05/0 ... ms-future/

What stats don't tell you is
65% of how many
Of 20
Of 40
Of 60
How many per game
Passes include 2yard passes back to where it came from
Don't believe figures you can make figures look anything
Not criticising whitts
Just the figures quoted mean shit all

All these so called stats mean little. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. 'Key Passes' what on earth are they? Like everything else they're subjective.

I beg to differ but it's very much these type of stats which highlight exactly how lucky we are to have a player like Peter Whittingham.

A "Key Pass" is one which leads directly to a goal scoring opportunity different to an assist which leads directly to a goal. So far this season our team has completed 394 "Key Passes" which places us overall in 17th place in this seasons Championship. Of those 394 passes 121 have been "Long" and 273 "Short".

The 121 Key Long Passes puts us in 1st place and the 273 Key Short passes puts us the 24th place in this season Championship. From your comment on "2 yard passes back to where it came from" you clearly think that PW main contribution is passing the ball sideways or backwards over short distances. Complete bollocks.

This season the No1 individual player in the Championship for completing Key Long passes is - Peter Whittingham. His 52 Key Long passes each of which resulted in an attempt on goal is better than any other player in the Championship. Within the team PW is responsible for 43% of the key long passes this season compared to 12% from AG and 8% from JR.

These may be statistics but they are most certainly not lies damned or otherwise and only go to prove that within our team PW has the vision, passing range and talent to deliver a level of creativity NO other player can get near, and within the Championship he is still as good as anyone.

Another excellent post on the matter.
The derogatory remark about passing the ball two yards and then getting it back is always a sign of a lack of knowledge of midfield play. Whitts always goes towards the ball to pick it up, usually off lesser players, and to try to move it on offensively. Of course this is not always possible with a lack of movement often seen at our level. It's called linking up and I'd imagine the same people that don't understand that are the same people who didn't rate Gary Medal - one of the best players we've had for many, many years.
Watch any top midfielder and he makes loads of short passes to keep possession, link up and move the ball to create space beside the well documented assists and key passes mentioned above.

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‘ PETER WHITTINGHAMS FUTURE ‘

After 10 years at Cardiff City

By Gary Field

Until the talks which NW has said are due to take place this week have been completed then there is still a chance that Whitts will be with us for next season, given his age any new contract will likely be the last of his playing career, so at many levels it’s as big a decision for him as it is the club.

I believe that if he does leave then it WILL be to another Championship club, and one with aspirations of promotion, and there will be many potential suitors out there who will offer him more money than we have. Having said that I don’t believe any other Championship club will be willing to pay him £25k per week.

This summer WILL see the high earners like Manga & Whitts either leave the club or stay on much reduced contracts and this will bring the focus onto the next highest earners. Noone, Pilkington and Huws will now come under the spotlight and I’m sure NW would like to offload those 3 to give him a chance of offering both Whitts and Manga more attractive contracts.

When first asked about the Whitts contract situation back in November NW said that he had told Whitts not to worry about it as NW wanted him here as long as he was. Make of that what you will but last week NW said that the Whitts contract situation was nothing to do with Whitts turning down any offers and that it had already been agreed that the situation would be discussed at the end of the season.

Many say that Whitts is not a NW type of player yet in the first 11 games this season Whitts didn’t score a goal but in the 26 appearances under NW he has scored 7 goals. Others say that he doesn’t contribute in “General” play – REALLY This season in respect of “Key Passes” PW is in a League of his own, despite having less playing time, his passing accuracy is over 77%, compare that to JR – 73% and AG – 67%, again in respect of possession loss with PW it’s just 9 times, compare that to JR – 34 or AG – 22. Even in the more defensive aspects of the game like tackling PW wins 65% of the tackles he attempts, the same as JR and 5% higher than AG.

There is a saying in life that you never really know the true value of something or someone until you lose them, PW is the prefect example to prove the case in point and I hope that something can be sorted out that will keep him here for the rest of his career.






http://www.annisabraham.co.uk/2017/05/0 ... ms-future/

What stats don't tell you is
65% of how many
Of 20
Of 40
Of 60
How many per game
Passes include 2yard passes back to where it came from
Don't believe figures you can make figures look anything
Not criticising whitts
Just the figures quoted mean shit all

All these so called stats mean little. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. 'Key Passes' what on earth are they? Like everything else they're subjective.

I beg to differ but it's very much these type of stats which highlight exactly how lucky we are to have a player like Peter Whittingham.

A "Key Pass" is one which leads directly to a goal scoring opportunity different to an assist which leads directly to a goal. So far this season our team has completed 394 "Key Passes" which places us overall in 17th place in this seasons Championship. Of those 394 passes 121 have been "Long" and 273 "Short".

The 121 Key Long Passes puts us in 1st place and the 273 Key Short passes puts us the 24th place in this season Championship. From your comment on "2 yard passes back to where it came from" you clearly think that PW main contribution is passing the ball sideways or backwards over short distances. Complete bollocks.

This season the No1 individual player in the Championship for completing Key Long passes is - Peter Whittingham. His 52 Key Long passes each of which resulted in an attempt on goal is better than any other player in the Championship. Within the team PW is responsible for 43% of the key long passes this season compared to 12% from AG and 8% from JR.

These may be statistics but they are most certainly not lies damned or otherwise and only go to prove that within our team PW has the vision, passing range and talent to deliver a level of creativity NO other player can get near, and within the Championship he is still as good as anyone.

Another excellent post on the matter.
The derogatory remark about passing the ball two yards and then getting it back is always a sign of a lack of knowledge of midfield play. Whitts always goes towards the ball to pick it up, usually off lesser players, and to try to move it on offensively. Of course this is not always possible with a lack of movement often seen at our level. It's called linking up and I'd imagine the same people that don't understand that are the same people who didn't rate Gary Medal - one of the best players we've had for many, many years.
Watch any top midfielder and he makes loads of short passes to keep possession, link up and move the ball to create space beside the well documented assists and key passes mentioned above.

After Friday night NW summed up our season perfectly for me when he said "I will be looking to bring more goals into the team this summer" and if he manages to do that we will need players with both the vision and quality to deliver the ball forward.

We already have that player in PW, but if he goes I wonder how much of the £6m will need to be spent on replacing him and just how much we will have to pay the player.


Hmmmmmm

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‘ PETER WHITTINGHAMS FUTURE ‘

After 10 years at Cardiff City

By Gary Field

Until the talks which NW has said are due to take place this week have been completed then there is still a chance that Whitts will be with us for next season, given his age any new contract will likely be the last of his playing career, so at many levels it’s as big a decision for him as it is the club.

I believe that if he does leave then it WILL be to another Championship club, and one with aspirations of promotion, and there will be many potential suitors out there who will offer him more money than we have. Having said that I don’t believe any other Championship club will be willing to pay him £25k per week.

This summer WILL see the high earners like Manga & Whitts either leave the club or stay on much reduced contracts and this will bring the focus onto the next highest earners. Noone, Pilkington and Huws will now come under the spotlight and I’m sure NW would like to offload those 3 to give him a chance of offering both Whitts and Manga more attractive contracts.

When first asked about the Whitts contract situation back in November NW said that he had told Whitts not to worry about it as NW wanted him here as long as he was. Make of that what you will but last week NW said that the Whitts contract situation was nothing to do with Whitts turning down any offers and that it had already been agreed that the situation would be discussed at the end of the season.

Many say that Whitts is not a NW type of player yet in the first 11 games this season Whitts didn’t score a goal but in the 26 appearances under NW he has scored 7 goals. Others say that he doesn’t contribute in “General” play – REALLY This season in respect of “Key Passes” PW is in a League of his own, despite having less playing time, his passing accuracy is over 77%, compare that to JR – 73% and AG – 67%, again in respect of possession loss with PW it’s just 9 times, compare that to JR – 34 or AG – 22. Even in the more defensive aspects of the game like tackling PW wins 65% of the tackles he attempts, the same as JR and 5% higher than AG.

There is a saying in life that you never really know the true value of something or someone until you lose them, PW is the prefect example to prove the case in point and I hope that something can be sorted out that will keep him here for the rest of his career.






http://www.annisabraham.co.uk/2017/05/0 ... ms-future/

What stats don't tell you is
65% of how many
Of 20
Of 40
Of 60
How many per game
Passes include 2yard passes back to where it came from
Don't believe figures you can make figures look anything
Not criticising whitts
Just the figures quoted mean shit all

All these so called stats mean little. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. 'Key Passes' what on earth are they? Like everything else they're subjective.

I beg to differ but it's very much these type of stats which highlight exactly how lucky we are to have a player like Peter Whittingham.

A "Key Pass" is one which leads directly to a goal scoring opportunity different to an assist which leads directly to a goal. So far this season our team has completed 394 "Key Passes" which places us overall in 17th place in this seasons Championship. Of those 394 passes 121 have been "Long" and 273 "Short".

The 121 Key Long Passes puts us in 1st place and the 273 Key Short passes puts us the 24th place in this season Championship. From your comment on "2 yard passes back to where it came from" you clearly think that PW main contribution is passing the ball sideways or backwards over short distances. Complete bollocks.

This season the No1 individual player in the Championship for completing Key Long passes is - Peter Whittingham. His 52 Key Long passes each of which resulted in an attempt on goal is better than any other player in the Championship. Within the team PW is responsible for 43% of the key long passes this season compared to 12% from AG and 8% from JR.

These may be statistics but they are most certainly not lies damned or otherwise and only go to prove that within our team PW has the vision, passing range and talent to deliver a level of creativity NO other player can get near, and within the Championship he is still as good as anyone.

Another excellent post on the matter.
The derogatory remark about passing the ball two yards and then getting it back is always a sign of a lack of knowledge of midfield play. Whitts always goes towards the ball to pick it up, usually off lesser players, and to try to move it on offensively. Of course this is not always possible with a lack of movement often seen at our level. It's called linking up and I'd imagine the same people that don't understand that are the same people who didn't rate Gary Medal - one of the best players we've had for many, many years.
Watch any top midfielder and he makes loads of short passes to keep possession, link up and move the ball to create space beside the well documented assists and key passes mentioned above.

After Friday night NW summed up our season perfectly for me when he said "I will be looking to bring more goals into the team this summer" and if he manages to do that we will need players with both the vision and quality to deliver the ball forward.

We already have that player in PW, but if he goes I wonder how much of the £6m will need to be spent on replacing him and just how much we will have to pay the player.


Hmmmmmm

Well said (as usual), Gary

How long is a long pass
Is a corner a long pass is a free kick a long pass
A completed pass can be 1 yard or 30 yards doesn't matter but it does count in the total percentage
Comparing whitts to Jr. And ag who are all different types of midfielders
IMO whitts would be expected to out pass jr by 30% and out pass ag by 50% becouse that's all whitts is there for

How long is a long pass
Is a corner a long pass is a free kick a long pass
A completed pass can be 1 yard or 30 yards doesn't matter but it does count in the total percentage
Comparing whitts to Jr. And ag who are all different types of midfielders
IMO whitts would be expected to out pass jr by 30% and out pass ag by 50% becouse that's all whitts is there for

Is a corner a long pass - Really. In my world a corner is a cross or when you have the quality of PW it can turn into a shot, he has scored direct from a corner. The same with a freekick it will either be a shot or cross unless it's passed sideways to another player to have a shot or cross.

To suggest that Whitts is only in the team for his passing is simply unbelieveable as there is so much more to his game than that. Comparing him to the other players who play the CM role in the team is completely reasonable and it may surprise you that of the 3 PW is the least likely to play the short pass. So far this season 80% of the passes made by Whitts have been "Short Passes", and believe it or not that is less that AG 85% and JR 86%. Add his ability to keep possession and create goalscoring opportunities for the team then how do we replace him.

By your owns words he should pass the other two to death, so if he goes which of the other two will pick up the mantle Mind you if your really serious about Whitts out passing AG & JR BY 30% and 50% respectively then that sounds like Whitts has been carrying both of them.

How long is a long pass
Is a corner a long pass is a free kick a long pass
A completed pass can be 1 yard or 30 yards doesn't matter but it does count in the total percentage
Comparing whitts to Jr. And ag who are all different types of midfielders
IMO whitts would be expected to out pass jr by 30% and out pass ag by 50% becouse that's all whitts is there for

Is a corner a long pass - Really. In my world a corner is a cross or when you have the quality of PW it can turn into a shot, he has scored direct from a corner. The same with a freekick it will either be a shot or cross unless it's passed sideways to another player to have a shot or cross.

To suggest that Whitts is only in the team for his passing is simply unbelieveable as there is so much more to his game than that. Comparing him to the other players who play the CM role in the team is completely reasonable and it may surprise you that of the 3 PW is the least likely to play the short pass. So far this season 80% of the passes made by Whitts have been "Short Passes", and believe it or not that is less that AG 85% and JR 86%. Add his ability to keep possession and create goalscoring opportunities for the team then how do we replace him.

By your owns words he should pass the other two to death, so if he goes which of the other two will pick up the mantle Mind you if your really serious about Whitts out passing AG & JR BY 30% and 50% respectively then that sounds like Whitts has been carrying both of them.

This is not about passing stats or data, its about first to the loose (second) ball. Warnock wants to go direct to Kenny, it's pretty irrespective if he wins or directs the header( its a bonus), but the two CM's need to get to that second ball first.......Whitts can't do this.
The natural position for him (like Malky did) is a free roaming deep lying role, but Warnock appears to wants a bit of height in that role as its a defensive role not possession or pace dictating based role.

Whitts just doesn't fit the model. I do believe he has tried playing him in the advanced role but with the ball being hammered forward quickly its not Whitts game.

I think he could be a valuable sub with 20 mins to go to kill the pace of the game and take the sting out the opposition by passing the ball around the park. But, he can't be a starter under Warnocks preferred tactics.

Its a shame Tom Adeyemi is leaving (has left ??) because i believe he fits Warnock profile perfectly.

How long is a long pass
Is a corner a long pass is a free kick a long pass
A completed pass can be 1 yard or 30 yards doesn't matter but it does count in the total percentage
Comparing whitts to Jr. And ag who are all different types of midfielders
IMO whitts would be expected to out pass jr by 30% and out pass ag by 50% becouse that's all whitts is there for

Is a corner a long pass - Really. In my world a corner is a cross or when you have the quality of PW it can turn into a shot, he has scored direct from a corner. The same with a freekick it will either be a shot or cross unless it's passed sideways to another player to have a shot or cross.

To suggest that Whitts is only in the team for his passing is simply unbelieveable as there is so much more to his game than that. Comparing him to the other players who play the CM role in the team is completely reasonable and it may surprise you that of the 3 PW is the least likely to play the short pass. So far this season 80% of the passes made by Whitts have been "Short Passes", and believe it or not that is less that AG 85% and JR 86%. Add his ability to keep possession and create goalscoring opportunities for the team then how do we replace him.

By your owns words he should pass the other two to death, so if he goes which of the other two will pick up the mantle Mind you if your really serious about Whitts out passing AG & JR BY 30% and 50% respectively then that sounds like Whitts has been carrying both of them.

This is not about passing stats or data, its about first to the loose (second) ball. Warnock wants to go direct to Kenny, it's pretty irrespective if he wins or directs the header( its a bonus), but the two CM's need to get to that second ball first.......Whitts can't do this.
The natural position for him (like Malky did) is a free roaming deep lying role, but Warnock appears to wants a bit of height in that role as its a defensive role not possession or pace dictating based role.

Whitts just doesn't fit the model. I do believe he has tried playing him in the advanced role but with the ball being hammered forward quickly its not Whitts game.

I think he could be a valuable sub with 20 mins to go to kill the pace of the game and take the sting out the opposition by passing the ball around the park. But, he can't be a starter under Warnocks preferred tactics.

Its a shame Tom Adeyemi is leaving (has left ??) because i believe he fits Warnock profile perfectly.

In my opinion NW did exactly what he had to this season to get us safe and unlike the 11 games under Trollope where we took an eternity to get the ball forward under NW, and since the New Year I would say, it's been about getting the ball forward quickly. It hasn't pretty to watch but it has been effective but if he gets the players he wants for next season I think you will see a different tactical set up.

4-2-3-1 will be the order of the day next season and I agree he will want the holding midfield players breaking up play and getting to the loose ball first. That type of role has never suited Whittingham and never will but having Whitts around will give NW more options from starting or the bench.

NW wants to bring in more goals and we will need the creativity to supply the goalscorers he intends to bring in and we have that player already - Whitts. I'm not saying he is a starter every game as those days are behind him but, what a squad player.

I really believe NW knows exactly how and when to play Whitts and in fact Whitts has scored all his goals this season since NW took over.

I agree about Adeyemi as he seems the perfect player that NW would want in one of the holding midfield roles and it wouldn't surprise me if he signed another contract with us. This Siddy Sarr also looks a good fit for one of those roles if there is anything in this gossip about us signing him.

We may have sore necks at the moment but I really believe we will see a different system next year.

How long is a long pass
Is a corner a long pass is a free kick a long pass
A completed pass can be 1 yard or 30 yards doesn't matter but it does count in the total percentage
Comparing whitts to Jr. And ag who are all different types of midfielders
IMO whitts would be expected to out pass jr by 30% and out pass ag by 50% becouse that's all whitts is there for

Is a corner a long pass - Really. In my world a corner is a cross or when you have the quality of PW it can turn into a shot, he has scored direct from a corner. The same with a freekick it will either be a shot or cross unless it's passed sideways to another player to have a shot or cross.

To suggest that Whitts is only in the team for his passing is simply unbelieveable as there is so much more to his game than that. Comparing him to the other players who play the CM role in the team is completely reasonable and it may surprise you that of the 3 PW is the least likely to play the short pass. So far this season 80% of the passes made by Whitts have been "Short Passes", and believe it or not that is less that AG 85% and JR 86%. Add his ability to keep possession and create goalscoring opportunities for the team then how do we replace him.

By your owns words he should pass the other two to death, so if he goes which of the other two will pick up the mantle Mind you if your really serious about Whitts out passing AG & JR BY 30% and 50% respectively then that sounds like Whitts has been carrying both of them.

This is not about passing stats or data, its about first to the loose (second) ball. Warnock wants to go direct to Kenny, it's pretty irrespective if he wins or directs the header( its a bonus), but the two CM's need to get to that second ball first.......Whitts can't do this.
The natural position for him (like Malky did) is a free roaming deep lying role, but Warnock appears to wants a bit of height in that role as its a defensive role not possession or pace dictating based role.

Whitts just doesn't fit the model. I do believe he has tried playing him in the advanced role but with the ball being hammered forward quickly its not Whitts game.

I think he could be a valuable sub with 20 mins to go to kill the pace of the game and take the sting out the opposition by passing the ball around the park. But, he can't be a starter under Warnocks preferred tactics.

Its a shame Tom Adeyemi is leaving (has left ??) because i believe he fits Warnock profile perfectly.

In my opinion NW did exactly what he had to this season to get us safe and unlike the 11 games under Trollope where we took an eternity to get the ball forward under NW, and since the New Year I would say, it's been about getting the ball forward quickly. It hasn't pretty to watch but it has been effective but if he gets the players he wants for next season I think you will see a different tactical set up.

4-2-3-1 will be the order of the day next season and I agree he will want the holding midfield players breaking up play and getting to the loose ball first. That type of role has never suited Whittingham and never will but having Whitts around will give NW more options from starting or the bench.

NW wants to bring in more goals and we will need the creativity to supply the goalscorers he intends to bring in and we have that player already - Whitts. I'm not saying he is a starter every game as those days are behind him but, what a squad player.

I really believe NW knows exactly how and when to play Whitts and in fact Whitts has scored all his goals this season since NW took over.

I agree about Adeyemi as he seems the perfect player that NW would want in one of the holding midfield roles and it wouldn't surprise me if he signed another contract with us. This Siddy Sarr also looks a good fit for one of those roles if there is anything in this gossip about us signing him.

We may have sore necks at the moment but I really believe we will see a different system next year.

I really do hope you are correct. Its not Whitts the player I am pissed at losing (if he goes) its what he stands for, a little bit more craft than just blood and guts.

What stats don't tell you is
65% of how many
Of 20
Of 40
Of 60
How many per game
Passes include 2yard passes back to where it came from
Don't believe figures you can make figures look anything
Not criticising whitts
Just the figures quoted mean shit all

Whilst I personally think Whitts should stay and is a huge asset to us I agree with your point on stats being easily manipulated.

One of my favourite quotes is that Salesmen often use statistics like a drunk uses a lampost - more for support than illumination