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WARNOCK "I Want to spend next season £5m-£6mill on 6 players

Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:52 am

' NEIL WARNOCK HAS VIRTUALLY MADE HIS MIND UP '

NEIL WARNOCK:
"Since I have been here we have not spent a penny"

"I Want to spend next season £5m-£6mill on 6 players"


Neil Warnock admits he has all but made up his mind over where to swing his Bluebirds axe this summer.

Sunday 16th April 2017

And he says he will be left in no doubt in three weeks' time about his Cardiff City surgery as he reminded players they are facing their final chances to impress ahead of the Easter Monday clash with Nottingham Forest.

Neil Warnock hinted he was also reminded once more what he can do with “three or four better players” in a stark message to his current squad that places are not safe.

It is a message that will ring in the ears of the team on Monday as they welcome Mark Warburton's Forest, a side still not yet assured of Championship safety.

He remains convinced that it will not take the kind of money splurged by Wednesday to succeed, but equally convinced that there are those starting for him now that need to be moved aside come the end of the season. Furthermore, those on the bench could be moved on.

And it is clear that time is fast running out for those in the firing line to change his mind.



NEIL WARNOCK:


“I learned a lot again at Hillsbrough, absolutely,” said Warnock.

“I've had my feelings for a few weeks but these four games will all help me towards the summer. I know what we're looking for but if there are one or two areas we're not 100% sure, we will be in three weeks' time. Games like this will help us.”

It was what made defeat all the more frustrating, even if Warnock did accept that Wednesday's ability to bring on the expensive attributes of the likes of Jordan Rhodes and match-winner Forestieri off the bench underlined the challenge Cardiff face.

Warnock did not change personnel until after the goal, an unspoken admission of at least a little lack of faith in some of those in reserve, and it's clear he sees summer strengthening as first making the starting XI better and then the bench as a result.


“We haven't spent a penny but they could put on Jordan Rhodes and Fernando Forestieri and the sort of money they've spent, but the way we matched them should give us a lot of confidence – I can't see them improving where as we can,” the veteran boss said.

“Next year we can look to change our team at times with the signings that we make and we should have a decent season.

“We want to spend something like £5m or £6m on six players. I don't think money is everything. You can have too many players.

“I don't see the money as a big challenge. If you put three or four good players in our side it can be the difference. We were the better side at Sheffield Wednesday they just took their goal. They didn't hurt us. Better ability on the ball, final pass, things like that, we should have created a lot more.

“We lost the ball in bad areas at time with a sloppy pass, but I didn't think there was much wrong – another couple of good players in that team would have given us that edge.

“It gives us a lot of confidence to be at a stage where three or four good players in that side and we'll be a threat to anyone.

“We have to look to certain players to make us improve and we will have a good challenge.”


It's something Warnock is looking forward to, though admits with honesty that he wishes the end of season was here and the work can really begin.

The planning period will go on for four more games with Warnock promising to make changes for Forest, Lee Peltier in contention to return to the side following injury.

But even if the manager might struggle for motivation, there should be none needed for those still in danger of the axe.
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Re: ' NEIL WARNOCK HAS VIRTUALLY MADE HIS MIND UP '

Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:40 am

I think the majority of Neil Warnock's mind has been made up for some time and only one or two will be genuinely fighting for their City futures...

The conundrum will be what to do about Ricky Lambert. He's been an absolute waste of money in footballing terms but I blame City' and maybe Paul Trollope's due diligence for that. The club may cut him loose with a pay-off but iIf he stays (and I think a fit and contracted Ricky Lambert could still do a job) then he must start earning his corn in earnest

An interesting summer ahead and (for once) it looks like we'll be at he front of the shopping queue rather than waiting for the (not so) bargain September sales! :thumbright: :ayatollah:

Re: ' NEIL WARNOCK HAS VIRTUALLY MADE HIS MIND UP '

Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:51 am

Sven wrote:I think the majority of Neil Warnock's mind has been made up for some time and only one or two will be genuinely fighting for their City futures...

The conundrum will be what to do about Ricky Lambert. He's been an absolute waste of money in footballing terms but I blame City' and maybe Paul Trollope's due diligence for that. The club may cut him loose with a pay-off but iIf he stays (and I think a fit and contracted Ricky Lambert could still do a job) then he must start earning his corn in earnest

An interesting summer ahead and (for once) it looks like we'll be at he front of the shopping queue rather than waiting for the (not so) bargain September sales! :thumbright: :ayatollah:


The Lambert problem is a big one. All the noises from NW have been RL is not part of his plans and I would be happy to see him go as it seems quite obvious he duped us all over his fitness before signing.

The summer will be interesting and I have faith NW will add the proper quality to our squad and get rid of anyone who is not buying into what he is trying to achieve.

Re: ' NEIL WARNOCK HAS VIRTUALLY MADE HIS MIND UP '

Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:57 am

Sven wrote:I think the majority of Neil Warnock's mind has been made up for some time and only one or two will be genuinely fighting for their City futures...

The conundrum will be what to do about Ricky Lambert. He's been an absolute waste of money in footballing terms but I blame City' and maybe Paul Trollope's due diligence for that. The club may cut him loose with a pay-off but iIf he stays (and I think a fit and contracted Ricky Lambert could still do a job) then he must start earning his corn in earnest

An interesting summer ahead and (for once) it looks like we'll be at he front of the shopping queue rather than waiting for the (not so) bargain September sales! :thumbright: :ayatollah:



agree but think the conundrum extends beyond Lambert. i think we have a number of players Warnock would prefer to move on. players that could well be on better contracts here than they are likely to be offered elsewhere. ive seen lots of lists up on the board of who we keep and who we get shot of most of which are sensible as regards which players fall into which categories.thats the easy part though. actually getting other clubs to take on players that we have no use for is another thing all together.

Re: ' NEIL WARNOCK HAS VIRTUALLY MADE HIS MIND UP '

Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:01 am

My take on Warnock's comments is that he has made his mind up that (apart from Mark Harris and goalkeeper) his bench is pretty poor and I agree. He believes he needs to take out 3 or 4 players from the first 11 and put them on the bench to give us options going forward. Those 3 or 4 will be replaced by better quality signing in the summer. Overall a sensible and exciting strategy I think.

Re: ' NEIL WARNOCK HAS VIRTUALLY MADE HIS MIND UP '

Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:29 am

City Slicker wrote:My take on Warnock's comments is that he has made his mind up that (apart from Mark Harris and goalkeeper) his bench is pretty poor and I agree. He believes he needs to take out 3 or 4 players from the first 11 and put them on the bench to give us options going forward. Those 3 or 4 will be replaced by better quality signing in the summer. Overall a sensible and exciting strategy I think.

Interesting.
The players I'd get rid of who are currently in squad would be Nooone, Pilkimgton, Connolly, Whitts Add Manga (as he's leaving)
Of the Ines left, I'd look to improve in the following players' positions ( in other words, I'd bench the following players) - Morrison, Bennett, Ralls, Harris.

Re: ' NEIL WARNOCK HAS VIRTUALLY MADE HIS MIND UP '

Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:37 am

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
City Slicker wrote:My take on Warnock's comments is that he has made his mind up that (apart from Mark Harris and goalkeeper) his bench is pretty poor and I agree. He believes he needs to take out 3 or 4 players from the first 11 and put them on the bench to give us options going forward. Those 3 or 4 will be replaced by better quality signing in the summer. Overall a sensible and exciting strategy I think.

Interesting.
The players I'd get rid of who are currently in squad would be Nooone, Pilkimgton, Connolly, Whitts Add Manga (as he's leaving)
Of the Ines left, I'd look to improve in the following players' positions ( in other words, I'd bench the following players) - Morrison, Bennett, Ralls, Harris.


Overall I tend to agree except for Ralls. He seems to be improving game by game, especially when Whittingham isn't playing. Given his youth I think he could be an integral part of Warnock's plans next season but of course it depends upon what calibre of player can be recruited to replace him. If we can get better then I see him on the bench.

Re: ' NEIL WARNOCK HAS VIRTUALLY MADE HIS MIND UP '

Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:56 am

Until Warnock gets the money I'm not speculating anything

We need to be improving attendance and atmosphere

Re: ' NEIL WARNOCK HAS VIRTUALLY MADE HIS MIND UP '

Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:27 pm

The lack of goals from the front 3 is a real concern.

I have seen little evidence that the move away from a set play biased team will bear more fruits than the current system.

The problem with Whitts is he is so one dimensional (and i am a true believer) and if we play him we have to be a pass based team, but that totally exposes Gunnars lack of technique and to a lesser extent Ralls, which is why i believe they both play better without Whitts.

We know Warnock doesn't like tossing around with the ball in the our third or even the middle third, so that ginger kid form Brentford is also out the reckoning.

I have my doubts of Gunnarson. If we received a decent offer i could see him moving on. He is not enough as a stopper and a few goals have come from his defensive lapses or marking because he just isn't tall enough. So if he is not a stopper he needs to be a playmaker or a presser and Ralls is better at those thing than him.

We need goals and they cost money. Two fast direct wide forwards and another striker plus a real centre midfielder will burn his £6 million so we'll need to sell as well.

I can see Saadi, Pilkington,Noone,John,O'Keefe,Kennedy,Huws being sold.
Manga,Harris, Whitts (hopefully stays in some capacity)Amos,McGreggor not retained. I think Holiett may want too much so he may go
Lambert retired due to ongoing injuries (get the insurance lawyers going), Fred paid off.

Thats a huge blank canvas for Warnock. He did a similar thing at QPR. But in Tareet & Faurlin (spelling for both :? ) he had two players well above championship level. Where do they come from ?

Re: ' NEIL WARNOCK HAS VIRTUALLY MADE HIS MIND UP '

Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:46 pm

llan bluebird wrote:The lack of goals from the front 3 is a real concern.

I have seen little evidence that the move away from a set play biased team will bear more fruits than the current system.

The problem with Whitts is he is so one dimensional (and i am a true believer) and if we play him we have to be a pass based team, but that totally exposes Gunnars lack of technique and to a lesser extent Ralls, which is why i believe they both play better without Whitts.

We know Warnock doesn't like tossing around with the ball in the our third or even the middle third, so that ginger kid form Brentford is also out the reckoning.

I have my doubts of Gunnarson. If we received a decent offer i could see him moving on. He is not enough as a stopper and a few goals have come from his defensive lapses or marking because he just isn't tall enough. So if he is not a stopper he needs to be a playmaker or a presser and Ralls is better at those thing than him.

We need goals and they cost money. Two fast direct wide forwards and another striker plus a real centre midfielder will burn his £6 million so we'll need to sell as well.

I can see Saadi, Pilkington,Noone,John,O'Keefe,Kennedy,Huws being sold.
Manga,Harris, Whitts (hopefully stays in some capacity)Amos,McGreggor not retained. I think Holiett may want too much so he may go
Lambert retired due to ongoing injuries (get the insurance lawyers going), Fred paid off.

Thats a huge blank canvas for Warnock. He did a similar thing at QPR. But in Tareet & Faurlin (spelling for both :? ) he had two players well above championship level. Where do they come from ?


I know it is a big call by you but I also have some doubts about Gunner. It was reported there were a few clubs willing to pay £2m for him last summer (might of been message board rumour) but if one were to materialise I would bite their hands off.

Re: ' NEIL WARNOCK HAS VIRTUALLY MADE HIS MIND UP '

Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:49 pm

City Slicker wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
City Slicker wrote:My take on Warnock's comments is that he has made his mind up that (apart from Mark Harris and goalkeeper) his bench is pretty poor and I agree. He believes he needs to take out 3 or 4 players from the first 11 and put them on the bench to give us options going forward. Those 3 or 4 will be replaced by better quality signing in the summer. Overall a sensible and exciting strategy I think.

Interesting.
The players I'd get rid of who are currently in squad would be Nooone, Pilkimgton, Connolly, Whitts Add Manga (as he's leaving)
Of the Ines left, I'd look to improve in the following players' positions ( in other words, I'd bench the following players) - Morrison, Bennett, Ralls, Harris.


Overall I tend to agree except for Ralls. He seems to be improving game by game, especially when Whittingham isn't playing. Given his youth I think he could be an integral part of Warnock's plans next season but of course it depends upon what calibre of player can be recruited to replace him. If we can get better then I see him on the bench.


I would also stick with Ralls as I can only see him improving with more game time. That said he does tend to have a mid-season blip, maybe due to tiredness, so NW would need to rest him at some point.

Re: ' NEIL WARNOCK HAS VIRTUALLY MADE HIS MIND UP '

Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:15 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
City Slicker wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
City Slicker wrote:My take on Warnock's comments is that he has made his mind up that (apart from Mark Harris and goalkeeper) his bench is pretty poor and I agree. He believes he needs to take out 3 or 4 players from the first 11 and put them on the bench to give us options going forward. Those 3 or 4 will be replaced by better quality signing in the summer. Overall a sensible and exciting strategy I think.

Interesting.
The players I'd get rid of who are currently in squad would be Nooone, Pilkimgton, Connolly, Whitts Add Manga (as he's leaving)
Of the Ines left, I'd look to improve in the following players' positions ( in other words, I'd bench the following players) - Morrison, Bennett, Ralls, Harris.


Overall I tend to agree except for Ralls. He seems to be improving game by game, especially when Whittingham isn't playing. Given his youth I think he could be an integral part of Warnock's plans next season but of course it depends upon what calibre of player can be recruited to replace him. If we can get better then I see him on the bench.


I would also stick with Ralls as I can only see him improving with more game time. That said he does tend to have a mid-season blip, maybe due to tiredness, so NW would need to rest him at some point.

I'm by no means suggesting Ralls has no part to play. Far from it. It's just that if Whitts goes we deffo need a forward thinking 'boss' for midfield.

Re: WARNOCK "I Want to spend next season £5m-£6mill on 6 pla

Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:19 am

No chance, he'll be lucky to get one million. Financial fair play rules will stop us spending any more.

A summer of cost cutting and free transfers is the best we can look forward too

Re: WARNOCK "I Want to spend next season £5m-£6mill on 6 pla

Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:00 am

Imo NW will make 5-6m on sales on top of the so called 5-6 he'd like to spend with the sales of Noonie, Pilks, John, Huws, Saadi etc.

The 5-6 youngsters on contracts should go out on loan to league 1 sides so that they get the game time they need.

Re: WARNOCK "I Want to spend next season £5m-£6mill on 6 pla

Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:38 pm

Pulisnewport wrote:Imo NW will make 5-6m on sales on top of the so called 5-6 he'd like to spend with the sales of Noonie, Pilks, John, Huws, Saadi etc.

The 5-6 youngsters on contracts should go out on loan to league 1 sides so that they get the game time they need.

Yes, he should. But since ol Russell's days, City is known as the bargain bin. The place where you get players for free. We released Burgstaller ffs.

Re: WARNOCK "I Want to spend next season £5m-£6mill on 6 pla

Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:59 pm

On another note.. 5/6 millions eh? Sure, it could be done.. IF he had a better scouting range.. Spain, middle/Eastern Europe, South America etc. But he don't.
I assume those 4 quality players include the need for s quality keeper!? Another striker!? If he looses whittingham, surely he needs someone who can pass s ball and and strike a set price!? If manga goes, I think we are covered- but need a cheap 4'th option. If he wants to rid Noone and Pilkington, surely he needs another winger or two.. IMO Warnock lives In coucoo land thinking he is in anyway ready for promotion. And if he by some miracle should get it, he needs to build another squad. Becourse he ain't got one ready or able to step it up. Just like Malky.

Re: WARNOCK "I Want to spend next season £5m-£6mill on 6 pla

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:15 pm

Scandinavianbluebird wrote:On another note.. 5/6 millions eh? Sure, it could be done.. IF he had a better scouting range.. Spain, middle/Eastern Europe, South America etc. But he don't.
I assume those 4 quality players include the need for s quality keeper!? Another striker!? If he looses whittingham, surely he needs someone who can pass s ball and and strike a set price!? If manga goes, I think we are covered- but need a cheap 4'th option. If he wants to rid Noone and Pilkington, surely he needs another winger or two.. IMO Warnock lives In coucoo land thinking he is in anyway ready for promotion. And if he by some miracle should get it, he needs to build another squad. Becourse he ain't got one ready or able to step it up. Just like Malky.


Thanks for your thoughts Ole!

Re: WARNOCK "I Want to spend next season £5m-£6mill on 6 pla

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:19 pm

RICK+CCFC wrote:
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:On another note.. 5/6 millions eh? Sure, it could be done.. IF he had a better scouting range.. Spain, middle/Eastern Europe, South America etc. But he don't.
I assume those 4 quality players include the need for s quality keeper!? Another striker!? If he looses whittingham, surely he needs someone who can pass s ball and and strike a set price!? If manga goes, I think we are covered- but need a cheap 4'th option. If he wants to rid Noone and Pilkington, surely he needs another winger or two.. IMO Warnock lives In coucoo land thinking he is in anyway ready for promotion. And if he by some miracle should get it, he needs to build another squad. Becourse he ain't got one ready or able to step it up. Just like Malky.


Thanks for your thoughts Ole!

Sure. No sense there Mr fellow fantasy island.. Wonder if he walks on water?

Re: WARNOCK "I Want to spend next season £5m-£6mill on 6 pla

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:24 pm

Scandinavianbluebird wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:On another note.. 5/6 millions eh? Sure, it could be done.. IF he had a better scouting range.. Spain, middle/Eastern Europe, South America etc. But he don't.
I assume those 4 quality players include the need for s quality keeper!? Another striker!? If he looses whittingham, surely he needs someone who can pass s ball and and strike a set price!? If manga goes, I think we are covered- but need a cheap 4'th option. If he wants to rid Noone and Pilkington, surely he needs another winger or two.. IMO Warnock lives In coucoo land thinking he is in anyway ready for promotion. And if he by some miracle should get it, he needs to build another squad. Becourse he ain't got one ready or able to step it up. Just like Malky.


Thanks for your thoughts Ole!

Sure. No sense there Mr fellow fantasy island.. Wonder if he walks on water?


Well you certainly didnt.

Re: WARNOCK "I Want to spend next season £5m-£6mill on 6 pla

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:28 pm

RICK+CCFC wrote:
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:On another note.. 5/6 millions eh? Sure, it could be done.. IF he had a better scouting range.. Spain, middle/Eastern Europe, South America etc. But he don't.
I assume those 4 quality players include the need for s quality keeper!? Another striker!? If he looses whittingham, surely he needs someone who can pass s ball and and strike a set price!? If manga goes, I think we are covered- but need a cheap 4'th option. If he wants to rid Noone and Pilkington, surely he needs another winger or two.. IMO Warnock lives In coucoo land thinking he is in anyway ready for promotion. And if he by some miracle should get it, he needs to build another squad. Becourse he ain't got one ready or able to step it up. Just like Malky.


Thanks for your thoughts Ole!

Sure. No sense there Mr fellow fantasy island.. Wonder if he walks on water?


Well you certainly didnt.

Didn't? You either do, or you don't.. Life is a continuum, and it is for mr Warnock as well.. past tense interests no one IRL..

Re: WARNOCK "I Want to spend next season £5m-£6mill on 6 pla

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:34 pm

Scandinavianbluebird wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:On another note.. 5/6 millions eh? Sure, it could be done.. IF he had a better scouting range.. Spain, middle/Eastern Europe, South America etc. But he don't.
I assume those 4 quality players include the need for s quality keeper!? Another striker!? If he looses whittingham, surely he needs someone who can pass s ball and and strike a set price!? If manga goes, I think we are covered- but need a cheap 4'th option. If he wants to rid Noone and Pilkington, surely he needs another winger or two.. IMO Warnock lives In coucoo land thinking he is in anyway ready for promotion. And if he by some miracle should get it, he needs to build another squad. Becourse he ain't got one ready or able to step it up. Just like Malky.


Thanks for your thoughts Ole!

Sure. No sense there Mr fellow fantasy island.. Wonder if he walks on water?


Well you certainly didnt.

Didn't? You either do, or you don't.. Life is a continuum, and it is for mr Warnock as well.. past tense interests no one IRL..


Yes,,,Ok,,,whatever, Roathy.

Re: WARNOCK "I Want to spend next season £5m-£6mill on 6 pla

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:39 pm

RICK+CCFC wrote:
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:On another note.. 5/6 millions eh? Sure, it could be done.. IF he had a better scouting range.. Spain, middle/Eastern Europe, South America etc. But he don't.
I assume those 4 quality players include the need for s quality keeper!? Another striker!? If he looses whittingham, surely he needs someone who can pass s ball and and strike a set price!? If manga goes, I think we are covered- but need a cheap 4'th option. If he wants to rid Noone and Pilkington, surely he needs another winger or two.. IMO Warnock lives In coucoo land thinking he is in anyway ready for promotion. And if he by some miracle should get it, he needs to build another squad. Becourse he ain't got one ready or able to step it up. Just like Malky.


Thanks for your thoughts Ole!

Sure. No sense there Mr fellow fantasy island.. Wonder if he walks on water?


Well you certainly didnt.

Didn't? You either do, or you don't.. Life is a continuum, and it is for mr Warnock as well.. past tense interests no one IRL..


Yes,,,Ok,,,whatever, Roathy.

I'm sure there is a point in there somewhere Ricky.. Keep
Working on it, and you will get there ;)

Re: WARNOCK "I Want to spend next season £5m-£6mill on 6 pla

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:49 pm

Scandinavianbluebird wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:
RICK+CCFC wrote:
Scandinavianbluebird wrote:On another note.. 5/6 millions eh? Sure, it could be done.. IF he had a better scouting range.. Spain, middle/Eastern Europe, South America etc. But he don't.
I assume those 4 quality players include the need for s quality keeper!? Another striker!? If he looses whittingham, surely he needs someone who can pass s ball and and strike a set price!? If manga goes, I think we are covered- but need a cheap 4'th option. If he wants to rid Noone and Pilkington, surely he needs another winger or two.. IMO Warnock lives In coucoo land thinking he is in anyway ready for promotion. And if he by some miracle should get it, he needs to build another squad. Becourse he ain't got one ready or able to step it up. Just like Malky.


Thanks for your thoughts Ole!

Sure. No sense there Mr fellow fantasy island.. Wonder if he walks on water?


Well you certainly didnt.

Didn't? You either do, or you don't.. Life is a continuum, and it is for mr Warnock as well.. past tense interests no one IRL..



Yes,,,Ok,,,whatever, Roathy.

I'm sure there is a point in there somewhere Ricky.. Keep
Working on it, and you will get there ;)


:laughing6: I thought I recognised your laughing gnome avatar,,,,,,easy really. :geek: :laughing6: :notworthy:

Re: WARNOCK "I Want to spend next season £5m-£6mill on 6 pla

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:51 pm

Yes, you proved your worth to math there mate :) (irony, so it might not be mistaken..)