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Mathamtically safe now!

Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:52 pm

With goal difference considered, Blackburn on 40 points, us on 55, with 5 games to spare! whod of thought it when we had 8 points from 11 games when PT departed! :bluescarf:

Re: Mathamtically safe now!

Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:59 pm

Yep an excellent achievement.

However are we really safe? Blackburn could mathematically overtake us if they won all their games hansomely and we lost all ours. However what about the clubs between us and Blackburn. A number of them have got to play each other therefore points will be dropped. Are there enough drop points between all those clubs to say we are definitely safe now?

An interesting exercise if that excites you enough.

Re: Mathamtically safe now!

Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:24 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:Yep an excellent achievement.

However are we really safe? Blackburn could mathematically overtake us if they won all their games hansomely and we lost all ours. However what about the clubs between us and Blackburn. A number of them have got to play each other therefore points will be dropped. Are there enough drop points between all those clubs to say we are definitely safe now?

An interesting exercise if that excites you enough.


Highly unlikely, we are safe. :thumbup: :ayatollah:

Re: Mathamtically safe now!

Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:27 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:Yep an excellent achievement.

However are we really safe? Blackburn could mathematically overtake us if they won all their games hansomely and we lost all ours. However what about the clubs between us and Blackburn. A number of them have got to play each other therefore points will be dropped. Are there enough drop points between all those clubs to say we are definitely safe now?

An interesting exercise if that excites you enough.


Blackburn haven't won a game handsomely in 40 games so wouldn't put too much on them doing it in 5 consecutive games in the run in! Some probably needing points for different reasons. Get your point about the rest though!

Re: Mathamtically safe now!

Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:48 pm

Blackburn have Nottingham Forest, Burton and the Wurzels to play. If they win those games then Forest and Burton can both finish on 57 points and the Wurzels 56.

The Wurzels have QPR and Birmingham to play and if they win those games it mean QPR can finish on 62 and the ZULUs on 58. The Wurzels will be on target to have 56.

Now Burton have the Zulus to play still. A draw would would leave each team with a possible target of Burton 55 and Birmingham 56. Burtons remaining games are against clubs higher than us so comfortable wins will see them above us. Birminghams remaining games are against teams that can not catch us, Rotherham, or teams above us. So if they win their remaining games they will be above us.

So onto Forest. If they take a point of Blackburn we are safe. However if they lose but win their remaining games they will finish on 57. 2 of those games are against clubs below us who can still over take us. Those clubs are QPR and Ipswich. If they beat QPR then the Londoners will now be on 59 points to finish. Ipswich will be on 61 if the lose to Forest however they have Burton to play of which Burton need to win that one. If Ipswich lose against Burton too then they still can finish on 58.

That leave the Wolves who are only 4 point behind us. They only have Blackburn to play which Blackburn needs to win. All their other opponents are above us so they could quite easily overtake us.

So my findings are we are not mathematically safe yet.

Re: Mathamtically safe now!

Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:16 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:Blackburn have Nottingham Forest, Burton and the Wurzels to play. If they win those games then Forest and Burton can both finish on 57 points and the Wurzels 56.

The Wurzels have QPR and Birmingham to play and if they win those games it mean QPR can finish on 62 and the ZULUs on 58. The Wurzels will be on target to have 56.

Now Burton have the Zulus to play still. A draw would would leave each team with a possible target of Burton 55 and Birmingham 56. Burtons remaining games are against clubs higher than us so comfortable wins will see them above us. Birminghams remaining games are against teams that can not catch us, Rotherham, or teams above us. So if they win their remaining games they will be above us.

So onto Forest. If they take a point of Blackburn we are safe. However if they lose but win their remaining games they will finish on 57. 2 of those games are against clubs below us who can still over take us. Those clubs are QPR and Ipswich. If they beat QPR then the Londoners will now be on 59 points to finish. Ipswich will be on 61 if the lose to Forest however they have Burton to play of which Burton need to win that one. If Ipswich lose against Burton too then they still can finish on 58.


And when was the last time City lost 5 on the bounce?

That leave the Wolves who are only 4 point behind us. They only have Blackburn to play which Blackburn needs to win. All their other opponents are above us so they could quite easily overtake us.

So my findings are we are not mathematically safe yet.

Re: Mathamtically safe now!

Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:42 pm

The Cobra wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:Blackburn have Nottingham Forest, Burton and the Wurzels to play. If they win those games then Forest and Burton can both finish on 57 points and the Wurzels 56.

The Wurzels have QPR and Birmingham to play and if they win those games it mean QPR can finish on 62 and the ZULUs on 58. The Wurzels will be on target to have 56.

Now Burton have the Zulus to play still. A draw would would leave each team with a possible target of Burton 55 and Birmingham 56. Burtons remaining games are against clubs higher than us so comfortable wins will see them above us. Birminghams remaining games are against teams that can not catch us, Rotherham, or teams above us. So if they win their remaining games they will be above us.

So onto Forest. If they take a point of Blackburn we are safe. However if they lose but win their remaining games they will finish on 57. 2 of those games are against clubs below us who can still over take us. Those clubs are QPR and Ipswich. If they beat QPR then the Londoners will now be on 59 points to finish. Ipswich will be on 61 if the lose to Forest however they have Burton to play of which Burton need to win that one. If Ipswich lose against Burton too then they still can finish on 58.




That leave the Wolves who are only 4 point behind us. They only have Blackburn to play which Blackburn needs to win. All their other opponents are above us so they could quite easily overtake us.

So my findings are we are not mathematically safe yet.


And when was the last time City lost 5 on the bounce?


For this to happen would be a freak show.

Safety will be confirmed next game.

Re: Mathamtically safe now!

Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:48 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:Yep an excellent achievement.

However are we really safe? Blackburn could mathematically overtake us if they won all their games hansomely and we lost all ours. However what about the clubs between us and Blackburn. A number of them have got to play each other therefore points will be dropped. Are there enough drop points between all those clubs to say we are definitely safe now?

An interesting exercise if that excites you enough.



if blackburn were to win all 5..15pts {including beating brisol city} mathematically they could catch us if we lost all 5. BUT the blackburn win over Brisol would then mean that they {bc} would have to win their other 4 games to finish above us or go down themselves.

Re: Mathamtically safe now!

Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:51 pm

dogfound wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:Yep an excellent achievement.

However are we really safe? Blackburn could mathematically overtake us if they won all their games hansomely and we lost all ours. However what about the clubs between us and Blackburn. A number of them have got to play each other therefore points will be dropped. Are there enough drop points between all those clubs to say we are definitely safe now?

An interesting exercise if that excites you enough.



if blackburn were to win all 5..15pts {including beating brisol city} mathematically they could catch us if we lost all 5. BUT the blackburn win over Brisol would then mean that they {bc} would have to win their other 4 games to finish above us or go down themselves.


Yep

Re: Mathamtically safe now!

Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:51 pm

dogfound wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:Yep an excellent achievement.

However are we really safe? Blackburn could mathematically overtake us if they won all their games hansomely and we lost all ours. However what about the clubs between us and Blackburn. A number of them have got to play each other therefore points will be dropped. Are there enough drop points between all those clubs to say we are definitely safe now?

An interesting exercise if that excites you enough.



if blackburn were to win all 5..15pts {including beating brisol city} mathematically they could catch us if we lost all 5. BUT the blackburn win over Brisol would then mean that they {bc} would have to win their other 4 games to finish above us or go down themselves.

We could lose our last 5 and we still won't go down. We have been safe for a while. It will be all Blackburn can do just to win a game, they are not going to win all 5, guaranteed.

Re: Mathamtically safe now!

Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:02 pm

Adding fuel to the impossible the Wurzels would need to go to Brighton and win comfortable.

Re: Mathamtically safe now!

Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:05 am

Steve Zodiak wrote:
dogfound wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:Yep an excellent achievement.

However are we really safe? Blackburn could mathematically overtake us if they won all their games hansomely and we lost all ours. However what about the clubs between us and Blackburn. A number of them have got to play each other therefore points will be dropped. Are there enough drop points between all those clubs to say we are definitely safe now?

An interesting exercise if that excites you enough.



if blackburn were to win all 5..15pts {including beating brisol city} mathematically they could catch us if we lost all 5. BUT the blackburn win over Brisol would then mean that they {bc} would have to win their other 4 games to finish above us or go down themselves.

We could lose our last 5 and we still won't go down. We have been safe for a while. It will be all Blackburn can do just to win a game, they are not going to win all 5, guaranteed.



yes obviously
the thread is about being MATHAMATICALLY safe.

Re: Mathamtically safe now!

Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:29 pm

We are still not safe.

Re: Mathamtically safe now!

Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:31 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:We are still not safe.


You genuinely believe we are still in trouble?

Re: Mathamtically safe now!

Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:09 pm

DandoCCFC wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:We are still not safe.


You genuinely believe we are still in trouble?


Of course we aint, anyone think we wont pick up another point? Under Trollop maybe, also Blackburn and Wigan who go to Brighton on Monday, must win all their remaining games, plus improve on a big goal difference, under dave jones big goal differences may disappear, not Warnock, as said in post above we were safe sometime ago :bluescarf:

Re: Mathamtically safe now!

Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:33 pm

DandoCCFC wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:We are still not safe.


You genuinely believe we are still in trouble?


No but we are not mathematically safe yet.

Re: Mathamtically safe now!

Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:49 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
DandoCCFC wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:We are still not safe.


You genuinely believe we are still in trouble?


No but we are not mathematically safe yet.



wasting your time mate. genuinely shocked that football fans use phrases that are very common in football. and dont have a scooby doo what they mean. :o