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' Expectations for next season - realistic! '

Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:04 am

Expectations for next season - realistic!

Ok straight off - for me a top 9 finish would be a good season for me.

A bottom half finish would be very disappointing indeed. If we finish in the top 6 (hopeful of but it may not happen) a very successful season, if we go up via the play offs or finish in the top 2 - then I believe Warnock will have been the best manager this club has ever had - (not taking away anything from previous successful managers as there has been some good ones. But we wo t be able to compete with the big money that will be spent by some clubs! Let's hope Warnock will become a real legend and finish his managerial career on a massive high! :bluescarf: :bluebird:

What are others expecting next season? I'm sure some of you wil be expecting promotion as an absolute must. What would you be happy with?

Re: Expectations for next season - realistic!

Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:12 am

I predicted that this season we would finish between 12th and 15th. I still believe that this is the most likely outcome, I don't see us finishing much lower or higher than this. Not really a clever prediction to make, even people in my local who rarely follow Cardiff thought mid table at best this season. Difficult to think about next season as we have no real idea who will be playing for us. May have to make our predictions after we find out which players are leaving, and whether or not Warnock can get some decent signings completed. I think at least half our team will need to be replaced if we are to show any real improvement from this season.

Re: Expectations for next season - realistic!

Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:14 am

Similar to what happened when Malky was in charge.All the fans have lapped up all the talk but if we ain't there or there abouts by next Christmas then lookout Nelly.His Mrs won't wanna be reading this board then. :lol:

Re: Expectations for next season - realistic!

Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:18 am

Sneggyblubird wrote:Similar to what happened when Malky was in charge.All the fans have lapped up all the talk but if we ain't there or there abouts by next Christmas then lookout Nelly.His Mrs won't wanna be reading this board then. :lol:


I agree with Martin, Warnock has asked for a budget,is getting it,stated he wanted to stay, to take us up next season and I expect No less than top 6 in the Championship.


Warnock saved us this season :thumbright:

I am a massive Warnock fan,but the talking now will have to be done on the pitch next season a top 6 finish minimum. :thumbright:

Malky was asked to do a job and he really did deliver, runaway Champions of the Championship,our best finish ever in the Championship, Malky delivered :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Re: ' Expectations for next season - realistic! '

Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:26 am

Well, if Warnock had been in charge with the players we have now for the whole season, then we may well be 7th or 8th now this season. So getting in to the top 6 next season must be considered a realistic possibility. To get in to the top 2 is a bit harder, as I expect Villa to occupy one of those places next year with Steve Bruce in charge, and the players/finances at his disposal.

Who else goes up then depends on who comes down from the PL this season. Despite their poor form this year, you have to fancy Sunderland to go straight back up again. Middlesborough look fairly nailed on to come back down too, and have the right mindset for the Championship, if a little boring. The third team down is likely to be Hull or the Jacks. Hull have plenty of experience of the ups and downs between the 2 leagues, and Swansea's record against the lower teams in the PL is what has kept them up successfully in recent years. You have to think that they would cope well against Championship opposition.

All in all an interesting season awaits, and we haven't even finished this one yet! :bluescarf:

Re: ' Expectations for next season - realistic! '

Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:43 am

Warnock has said himself that it might take 2/3 seasons to get us up. With the budgets we're dealing with that's a realistic time frame to build a promotion winning squad. We're Guna need a few transfer windows and some extra funds generated from Warnocks deals too. I think we'll have a good season next year, but miss out on play offs - top 8.

Re: ' Expectations for next season - realistic! '

Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:36 am

We will finish fourth and be promoted via the play offs. Mind you I said that for this season :oops:

Re: ' Expectations for next season - realistic! '

Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:42 am

bluebird58 wrote:Well, if Warnock had been in charge with the players we have now for the whole season, then we may well be 7th or 8th now this season. So getting in to the top 6 next season must be considered a realistic possibility. To get in to the top 2 is a bit harder, as I expect Villa to occupy one of those places next year with Steve Bruce in charge, and the players/finances at his disposal.

Who else goes up then depends on who comes down from the PL this season. Despite their poor form this year, you have to fancy Sunderland to go straight back up again. Middlesborough look fairly nailed on to come back down too, and have the right mindset for the Championship, if a little boring. The third team down is likely to be Hull or the Jacks. Hull have plenty of experience of the ups and downs between the 2 leagues, and Swansea's record against the lower teams in the PL is what has kept them up successfully in recent years. You have to think that they would cope well against Championship opposition.

All in all an interesting season awaits, and we haven't even finished this one yet! :bluescarf:


Modern football is not an exact science. You can also throw into the mix players who down tools and derail seasons which seems to be a phenomenon happening more and more, indeed it could be argued that our players did it under Trollope.

I really believe that stability is a very big factor in the present climate and in deed we the fans should out any players who are not trying because they are sulking for whatever reason. NW is the man and while there will be bumps in the road he is our best bet by a million miles.

Re: ' Expectations for next season - realistic! '

Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:47 am

nubbsy wrote:Warnock has said himself that it might take 2/3 seasons to get us up. With the budgets we're dealing with that's a realistic time frame to build a promotion winning squad. We're Guna need a few transfer windows and some extra funds generated from Warnocks deals too. I think we'll have a good season next year, but miss out on play offs - top 8.



What your saying is sensible Nubbs but if thats the case then NW has made a monumental error in saying what he's said.He should have toned it down a fair bit in the outlook stakes and I think most of the fans would except that but he's more bullish about next season than Mackay ever was and all I'm saying is if were not looking good by Dec then lookout Nelly.I seem to remember A 5-3 defeat by Charlton under Mackay and this place went ballistic but luckily for him that was a defining moment for us and the rest as they say..................I believe he is possibly the best manager we've had in my time(44yrs)but next season he'll have to prove it or the City not so faithful will lynch him on here.I think he believes he can get us there and would like to have one more crack in the prem where his record is a tad less impressive,more than that I don't think he's got the legs.

Re: ' Expectations for next season - realistic! '

Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:02 am

This all depends on who we can offload and who we can recruit. In my opinion we need at least four and maybe five new players to make the first team and a clear out of the bench players to mount any serious challenge. However, if anyone can do it, it's Warnock :thumbup:

Re: ' Expectations for next season - realistic! '

Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:12 am

Sneggyblubird wrote:
nubbsy wrote:Warnock has said himself that it might take 2/3 seasons to get us up. With the budgets we're dealing with that's a realistic time frame to build a promotion winning squad. We're Guna need a few transfer windows and some extra funds generated from Warnocks deals too. I think we'll have a good season next year, but miss out on play offs - top 8.



What your saying is sensible Nubbs but if thats the case then NW has made a monumental error in saying what he's said.He should have toned it down a fair bit in the outlook stakes and I think most of the fans would except that but he's more bullish about next season than Mackay ever was and all I'm saying is if were not looking good by Dec then lookout Nelly.I seem to remember A 5-3 defeat by Charlton under Mackay and this place went ballistic but luckily for him that was a defining moment for us and the rest as they say..................I believe he is possibly the best manager we've had in my time(44yrs)but next season he'll have to prove it or the City not so faithful will lynch him on here.I think he believes he can get us there and would like to have one more crack in the prem where his record is a tad less impressive,more than that I don't think he's got the legs.


My expectations are not ridiculously high. Only so much can be done when there is hardly any money available, whoever the manager is. We will once again be competing with clubs who have a lot more cash available than we do. Like most people say, if anyone can do it Warnock is probably your man. He is not a miracle worker though, and it will be tough to compete with some of the bigger teams in this league. Number 1 target for me would be to reach 50 points asap, and see what happens from there. I will be interested to see just how much backing our manager gets, I have a feeling it may not be as much as some people think. Not just about buying players, it's about wages, and we know in this modern era players will go where thay can get the most money, even if first team football is not guaranteed.

Re: ' Expectations for next season - realistic! '

Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:25 am

Sneggyblubird wrote:
nubbsy wrote:Warnock has said himself that it might take 2/3 seasons to get us up. With the budgets we're dealing with that's a realistic time frame to build a promotion winning squad. We're Guna need a few transfer windows and some extra funds generated from Warnocks deals too. I think we'll have a good season next year, but miss out on play offs - top 8.



What your saying is sensible Nubbs but if thats the case then NW has made a monumental error in saying what he's said.He should have toned it down a fair bit in the outlook stakes and I think most of the fans would except that but he's more bullish about next season than Mackay ever was and all I'm saying is if were not looking good by Dec then lookout Nelly.I seem to remember A 5-3 defeat by Charlton under Mackay and this place went ballistic but luckily for him that was a defining moment for us and the rest as they say..................I believe he is possibly the best manager we've had in my time(44yrs)but next season he'll have to prove it or the City not so faithful will lynch him on here.I think he believes he can get us there and would like to have one more crack in the prem where his record is a tad less impressive,more than that I don't think he's got the legs.




Your right Neil is the right man for the job and he may only have a few seasons left in him. Football fans always set sights high and that's OK, but from my experience of following this league with the manager we have and the budget we've outlined I think realistically it may take a bit longer than next season barring an anomaly. Im not 'expecting' promotion next year I just hope our squad and fan base get stronger and stronger under warnock and we can get back to being a top championship club that fans and players hate coming up against!

Re: ' Expectations for next season - realistic! '

Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:06 pm

It has to be top 6, anything less is a failure.
I honestly believe with Warnock in charge from the start we would have made the play/offs.

if Warnock gets his signings right I see no reason we wont be pushing for top 6 even if we don't spend huge amounts.

Re: ' Expectations for next season - realistic! '

Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:36 pm

Whilst I believe in Neil Warnock 100%, the club really have to honour their promise and give him the funds he has asked for. If they do, then I think he is the best manager in this division for getting a lot for his money. I am sure he already knows who he wants, and has made contact. I would bring Idris Saadi back and have a look at him too.

There most important part of this jigsaw though, lies with the fans. VT is backing NW with funds to have a go at the Premiership again, but the fans have to put all the past behind them, and turn up in their thousands, and make the stadium a horrible place to come for opposing teams. There is no excuses now from the fans, put the past behind you, and put your money where your mouths are! Everyone has an opinion, now its time to put up or shut up! It may also free up more money to spend through FFP?

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Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:55 pm

BACK HIMAND WE WILL FINISH TOP TWO I REALLY BELIEVE THIS BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO PLAY THE FFP CARD EVERY TIME MONEY IS TALKED ABOUT THEN MAYBE AT BEST TOP 8

Re: ' Expectations for next season - realistic! '

Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:12 pm

Reza wrote:BACK HIMAND WE WILL FINISH TOP TWO I REALLY BELIEVE THIS BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO PLAY THE FFP CARD EVERY TIME MONEY IS TALKED ABOUT THEN MAYBE AT BEST TOP 8


I agree with you to an extent :ayatollah: However, we can't ignore FFP as it is not a figment of somebody's imagination. From my limited knowledge our situation is assessed over a rolling 3 year period and that will include some of the big earners through next season: Kenwynne Jones, Marshall, Fabio, Whitts, Le Fondre, to name just a few

If we overspend in the summer we may well be put under an embargo in the January window and that can be massively important when chasing promotion (e.g. would we have gone up so easily if Mackay hadn't been able to sign Frazier Campbell ?).

It's so important I can't think of a single club that has got promoted whilst under an embargo. So we need to back Warnock as much as we possibly can in the summer, then in January if we are looking good for promotion/play-offs it may be worth a gamble as it will be close enough to take that chance.

Exciting times though, unlike the last 2-3 seasons :roll: :lol:

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Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:59 pm

Auto promotion for me :ayatollah:

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Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:20 pm

Minimum 8th. If Slade can do it, surely Warnock can.

Re: ' Expectations for next season - realistic! '

Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:23 am

Steve Zodiak wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:
nubbsy wrote:Warnock has said himself that it might take 2/3 seasons to get us up. With the budgets we're dealing with that's a realistic time frame to build a promotion winning squad. We're Guna need a few transfer windows and some extra funds generated from Warnocks deals too. I think we'll have a good season next year, but miss out on play offs - top 8.



What your saying is sensible Nubbs but if thats the case then NW has made a monumental error in saying what he's said.He should have toned it down a fair bit in the outlook stakes and I think most of the fans would except that but he's more bullish about next season than Mackay ever was and all I'm saying is if were not looking good by Dec then lookout Nelly.I seem to remember A 5-3 defeat by Charlton under Mackay and this place went ballistic but luckily for him that was a defining moment for us and the rest as they say..................I believe he is possibly the best manager we've had in my time(44yrs)but next season he'll have to prove it or the City not so faithful will lynch him on here.I think he believes he can get us there and would like to have one more crack in the prem where his record is a tad less impressive,more than that I don't think he's got the legs.


My expectations are not ridiculously high. Only so much can be done when there is hardly any money available, whoever the manager is. We will once again be competing with clubs who have a lot more cash available than we do. Like most people say, if anyone can do it Warnock is probably your man. He is not a miracle worker though, and it will be tough to compete with some of the bigger teams in this league. Number 1 target for me would be to reach 50 points asap, and see what happens from there. I will be interested to see just how much backing our manager gets, I have a feeling it may not be as much as some people think. Not just about buying players, it's about wages, and we know in this modern era players will go where thay can get the most money, even if first team football is not guaranteed.


One answer to that Huddersfield Town :D

Re: ' Expectations for next season - realistic! '

Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:41 am

Top 6 challenge if he's backed in summer!!!

Re: ' Expectations for next season - realistic! '

Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:00 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:
nubbsy wrote:Warnock has said himself that it might take 2/3 seasons to get us up. With the budgets we're dealing with that's a realistic time frame to build a promotion winning squad. We're Guna need a few transfer windows and some extra funds generated from Warnocks deals too. I think we'll have a good season next year, but miss out on play offs - top 8.



What your saying is sensible Nubbs but if thats the case then NW has made a monumental error in saying what he's said.He should have toned it down a fair bit in the outlook stakes and I think most of the fans would except that but he's more bullish about next season than Mackay ever was and all I'm saying is if were not looking good by Dec then lookout Nelly.I seem to remember A 5-3 defeat by Charlton under Mackay and this place went ballistic but luckily for him that was a defining moment for us and the rest as they say..................I believe he is possibly the best manager we've had in my time(44yrs)but next season he'll have to prove it or the City not so faithful will lynch him on here.I think he believes he can get us there and would like to have one more crack in the prem where his record is a tad less impressive,more than that I don't think he's got the legs.


My expectations are not ridiculously high. Only so much can be done when there is hardly any money available, whoever the manager is. We will once again be competing with clubs who have a lot more cash available than we do. Like most people say, if anyone can do it Warnock is probably your man. He is not a miracle worker though, and it will be tough to compete with some of the bigger teams in this league. Number 1 target for me would be to reach 50 points asap, and see what happens from there. I will be interested to see just how much backing our manager gets, I have a feeling it may not be as much as some people think. Not just about buying players, it's about wages, and we know in this modern era players will go where thay can get the most money, even if first team football is not guaranteed.


One answer to that Huddersfield Town :D

Huddersfield to be fair have had an exceptional season similar to Leicester last season. Obviously this is the exception rather than the rule, and possibly we can be that team next season. I still think despite their outstanding season, they will be playing us twice again next season.

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Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:15 pm

Top 6 minimum for me and I'll be disappointed not to be pushing for the automatics, if I'm being honest. With the proper manager we now have and his Championship nouse, then I see that as being an expectation that Neil Warnock (publicly at least) buys into! :thumbright: :ayatollah: :clap:

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Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:08 pm

I think top 6 is what most people expect and with Warnock we have every chance,trouble is we are Cardiff City and there might just be a car crash of some sort around the corner.
But yes play off spot is my expectation :thumbup:

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Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:38 pm

Almost impossible to be realistic about next season. We have no idea if we are going to have a good, average or crap squad here come July. Depends on Warnock being able to attract players to an unfashionable club in South Wales who are not going to be in any position to pay the wages that some of our competitors will be paying. I think our current squad would finish top half with Warnock here for a full season, but there are probably going to be a lot of changes over the next few months.