" CCFC WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? ? "

" CCFC WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? ? "

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' CARDIFF CITY THE LAST 17 YEARS '

AND NOW WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE TO LOOK FORWARD TOO


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Over the last 17 years for me on the pitch have been the most successful years Cardiff City have had in my 44 years of supporting the Mighty Bluebirds.

Promotion from Div 4

Promotion from Div 3

Championship Winners

Promotion to the the Top flight of football (Premier League) for the first time in 51 years.

A season in the Premier League playing and beating some of the best club teams in the World.

Play off finalists and semi final winners

Play off semi finalists twice

FA Cup Finalists

League Cup finalists

Heroic FA Cup win against Premier League leaders Leeds

Won the Algarve cup in Portugal


Four trips to Wembley,most clubs dream of just one trip.

Only one relegation in our last 17 years, never really struggling in the bottom half of the divisions we have been in.

A New 33,500 modern stadium

Hooligan problem gone.

Cheap family tickets/thousands upon thousands of free tickets.

Big money and big name signings

Cardiff City continue to sell cheap season tickets




YET our season ticket sales went down from 22,500 to 11,500?

Gates reached a high of 33,500 during the above years.

We were selling out nearly every away game in Div 3/ Div 4 and in the Premier League it did not matter if tickets were £55.
And yet now our away support the last two years is now one of the worst in all four divisions?

You support your football club during the good and bad times

SO WHAT REALLY WAS THE PROBLEM THAT OUR FANS HAVE LEFT IN THEIR THOUSANDS AS SUCCESS NEVER WENT AWAY ON THE PITCH?






" THE FUTURE "


NOW WE HAVE A BIG NAME MANAGER IN NEIL WARNOCK / WE HAVE A MANAGER WHO KNOWS NOTHING BUT SUCCESS / PROMOTIONS.

WE HAVE NEXT SEASON BEEN PROMISED A PROMOTION PUSH AGAIN CHEAP SEASON TICKETS

NEIL WARNOCK HAS BEEN PROMISED AT LEAST £6MILLION BY OUR CLUB

So surely and hopefully there's enough support in our catchment area of between 500,000 to one million people to pull 20,000 plus home crowds and away support al least 1,500 average next season

Neil Warnock has nothing but praise for City fans as he remembers the good olds of being on the opposite side and seeing our once great and passionate support.



I honestly can't wait for next season






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We are like we've been in our history up and down at moment we are stabilising but signs are we are on way up under NW! 90% of clubs go through phases of low support then go up again with a bit of success it's all around if people look? Is there a problem maybe yes but then lots clubs have similar problems that's football throughout the ages .

Of course, you're preaching to the converted on here, but its a symptom of modern society that we now have a complete generation of youngsters who have grown up with wall-to-wall top level football on TV. Once the Premier League disappeared from Cardiff, so did their interest. I'm sure a lot of today's generation would rather stay in the pub watching a Premier League game on SKY on a Saturday afternoon rather than spend 3 hours on a coach each way to an away game where the team might lose. Sad, but true.

But when you look at other teams' away followings, you wonder why we can't do the same. Unfortunately, we don't have a large fanbase built up with long-term success in the top flight, like Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Villa etc. Even Bradford City managed to double their core support from their time in the Premier League, before they even reduced the cost of the season tickets. For some clubs in certain towns/cities, there is no other meaningful sporting opposition nearby. There is nothing to get remotely interested in in Derby except the football team! ( ) In Newcastle and Sunderland, the cities are full of addicted football fans. My mother (a lifelong Bluebird) used to go to Newcastle on business a lot and said that the subject of Newcastle United was discussed at some point every day, whether winter or summer, man or woman or whatever your ethnic background. The only other subject was the minority of Sunderland fans who worked there who talked about their team instead! People may dispute this, but the rugby still has an effect on us, with people choosing to have a day out at the rugby in Cardiff a few times a year over going away to watch the Bluebirds.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I fear that only a period of sustained long term success will build up the away following again. Lets hope that Neil Warnock can bring us that success again next season.

We can go over this issue for ever and a day, but, we have to acknowledge, that that infamous Tuesday night ripped the heart out of thousands of city fans. I know a hell of a lot of fans that will not return until Tan has left.
For me, another season ticket for me next year and a few more 10,000 miles trips to get to a game from Shanghai.

Tan won't beat me, it is my club, but unfortunately for thousands of others, that Tuesday night finished them.

Travelled home this week so Wolves and Barnsley away and then back for work on Saturday.

Of course, you're preaching to the converted on here, but its a symptom of modern society that we now have a complete generation of youngsters who have grown up with wall-to-wall top level football on TV. Once the Premier League disappeared from Cardiff, so did their interest. I'm sure a lot of today's generation would rather stay in the pub watching a Premier League game on SKY on a Saturday afternoon rather than spend 3 hours on a coach each way to an away game where the team might lose. Sad, but true.

But when you look at other teams' away followings, you wonder why we can't do the same. Unfortunately, we don't have a large fanbase built up with long-term success in the top flight, like Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Villa etc. Even Bradford City managed to double their core support from their time in the Premier League, before they even reduced the cost of the season tickets. For some clubs in certain towns/cities, there is no other meaningful sporting opposition nearby. There is nothing to get remotely interested in in Derby except the football team! ( ) In Newcastle and Sunderland, the cities are full of addicted football fans. My mother (a lifelong Bluebird) used to go to Newcastle on business a lot and said that the subject of Newcastle United was discussed at some point every day, whether winter or summer, man or woman or whatever your ethnic background. The only other subject was the minority of Sunderland fans who worked there who talked about their team instead! People may dispute this, but the rugby still has an effect on us, with people choosing to have a day out at the rugby in Cardiff a few times a year over going away to watch the Bluebirds.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I fear that only a period of sustained long term success will build up the away following again. Lets hope that Neil Warnock can bring us that success again next season.

Good post but away support to me is financially based whilst in champ anyway! Spending couple hundred pounds a month is a lot in todays climate, my question is if you put ccfc in the Midlands,London, or yorks would we be debating poor away support doubt it.

Of course, you're preaching to the converted on here, but its a symptom of modern society that we now have a complete generation of youngsters who have grown up with wall-to-wall top level football on TV. Once the Premier League disappeared from Cardiff, so did their interest. I'm sure a lot of today's generation would rather stay in the pub watching a Premier League game on SKY on a Saturday afternoon rather than spend 3 hours on a coach each way to an away game where the team might lose. Sad, but true.

But when you look at other teams' away followings, you wonder why we can't do the same. Unfortunately, we don't have a large fanbase built up with long-term success in the top flight, like Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Villa etc. Even Bradford City managed to double their core support from their time in the Premier League, before they even reduced the cost of the season tickets. For some clubs in certain towns/cities, there is no other meaningful sporting opposition nearby. There is nothing to get remotely interested in in Derby except the football team! ( ) In Newcastle and Sunderland, the cities are full of addicted football fans. My mother (a lifelong Bluebird) used to go to Newcastle on business a lot and said that the subject of Newcastle United was discussed at some point every day, whether winter or summer, man or woman or whatever your ethnic background. The only other subject was the minority of Sunderland fans who worked there who talked about their team instead! People may dispute this, but the rugby still has an effect on us, with people choosing to have a day out at the rugby in Cardiff a few times a year over going away to watch the Bluebirds.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I fear that only a period of sustained long term success will build up the away following again. Lets hope that Neil Warnock can bring us that success again next season.

Good post but away support to me is financially based whilst in champ anyway! Spending couple hundred pounds a month is a lot in todays climate, my question is if you put ccfc in the Midlands,London, or yorks would we be debating poor away support doubt it.

Allan,

As I proved to you the other day,I don't buy it to what u say regarding our away support.

Clubs in the lowest divisions nowadays take double what we do when they travel the following distances.

Plymouth to Doncaster,Plymouth to Carlisle, Carlisle to Yeovil,Pompey to Hartlepool,Carlisle,Doncaster,Morecambe, Bristol Rover to Bury. Exeter,Plymouth,Pompey,Doncaster,Hartlepool,Carlisle etc etc all travel long distances and I have put dozens and dozens of their away supports on here.

Bolton took double the away support to Ipswich Town than we did and Bolton were bottom of the Championship than we were last season,I could go on and on and have proved it time and again.

No league clubs on Tuesday nights take away 200-400 fans long distances.

As to money,our fans paid £50 plus to go away in Prem,no one moaned.

Steve aka RV Casual was honest enough and said he can't be bothered like he use to be and has got bored etc.

Of course, you're preaching to the converted on here, but its a symptom of modern society that we now have a complete generation of youngsters who have grown up with wall-to-wall top level football on TV. Once the Premier League disappeared from Cardiff, so did their interest. I'm sure a lot of today's generation would rather stay in the pub watching a Premier League game on SKY on a Saturday afternoon rather than spend 3 hours on a coach each way to an away game where the team might lose. Sad, but true.

But when you look at other teams' away followings, you wonder why we can't do the same. Unfortunately, we don't have a large fanbase built up with long-term success in the top flight, like Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Villa etc. Even Bradford City managed to double their core support from their time in the Premier League, before they even reduced the cost of the season tickets. For some clubs in certain towns/cities, there is no other meaningful sporting opposition nearby. There is nothing to get remotely interested in in Derby except the football team! ( ) In Newcastle and Sunderland, the cities are full of addicted football fans. My mother (a lifelong Bluebird) used to go to Newcastle on business a lot and said that the subject of Newcastle United was discussed at some point every day, whether winter or summer, man or woman or whatever your ethnic background. The only other subject was the minority of Sunderland fans who worked there who talked about their team instead! People may dispute this, but the rugby still has an effect on us, with people choosing to have a day out at the rugby in Cardiff a few times a year over going away to watch the Bluebirds.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I fear that only a period of sustained long term success will build up the away following again. Lets hope that Neil Warnock can bring us that success again next season.

Once you mentioned Bradford,there your debate is totally floored.
Bradford City had a max of two seasons in the top flight and have spent 99% of their history in the lowest divisions,you honestly can't compare them to our history and little catchment area for support.


So why after 17 years of success(17 years is a long time) on the pict has our away support got worse and our home support gone down over the last few years?

We can go over this issue for ever and a day, but, we have to acknowledge, that that infamous Tuesday night ripped the heart out of thousands of city fans. I know a hell of a lot of fans that will not return until Tan has left.
For me, another season ticket for me next year and a few more 10,000 miles trips to get to a game from Shanghai.

Tan won't beat me, it is my club, but unfortunately for thousands of others, that Tuesday night finished them.

Travelled home this week so Wolves and Barnsley away and then back for work on Saturday.

Some honesty

But I have to say our future looks bright

Of course, you're preaching to the converted on here, but its a symptom of modern society that we now have a complete generation of youngsters who have grown up with wall-to-wall top level football on TV. Once the Premier League disappeared from Cardiff, so did their interest. I'm sure a lot of today's generation would rather stay in the pub watching a Premier League game on SKY on a Saturday afternoon rather than spend 3 hours on a coach each way to an away game where the team might lose. Sad, but true.

But when you look at other teams' away followings, you wonder why we can't do the same. Unfortunately, we don't have a large fanbase built up with long-term success in the top flight, like Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Villa etc. Even Bradford City managed to double their core support from their time in the Premier League, before they even reduced the cost of the season tickets. For some clubs in certain towns/cities, there is no other meaningful sporting opposition nearby. There is nothing to get remotely interested in in Derby except the football team! ( ) In Newcastle and Sunderland, the cities are full of addicted football fans. My mother (a lifelong Bluebird) used to go to Newcastle on business a lot and said that the subject of Newcastle United was discussed at some point every day, whether winter or summer, man or woman or whatever your ethnic background. The only other subject was the minority of Sunderland fans who worked there who talked about their team instead! People may dispute this, but the rugby still has an effect on us, with people choosing to have a day out at the rugby in Cardiff a few times a year over going away to watch the Bluebirds.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I fear that only a period of sustained long term success will build up the away following again. Lets hope that Neil Warnock can bring us that success again next season.

Good post but away support to me is financially based whilst in champ anyway! Spending couple hundred pounds a month is a lot in todays climate, my question is if you put ccfc in the Midlands,London, or yorks would we be debating poor away support doubt it.

Allan,

As I proved to you the other day,I don't buy it to what u say regarding our away support.

Clubs in the lowest divisions nowadays take double what we do when they travel the following distances.

Plymouth to Doncaster,Plymouth to Carlisle, Carlisle to Yeovil,Pompey to Hartlepool,Carlisle,Doncaster,Morecambe, Bristol Rover to Bury. Exeter,Plymouth,Pompey,Doncaster,Hartlepool,Carlisle etc etc all travel long distances and I have put dozens and dozens of their away supports on here.

Bolton took double the away support to Ipswich Town than we did and Bolton were bottom of the Championship than we were last season,I could go on and on and have proved it time and again.

No league clubs on Tuesday nights take away 200-400 fans long distances.

As to money,our fans paid £50 plus to go away in Prem,no one moaned.

Steve aka RV Casual was honest enough and said he can't be bothered like he use to be and has got bored etc.

You use same teams all the Time which I don't dispute as said there are exceptions! but are you honestly saying that if you stuck ccfc in mid,London or Yorkshire we would have such poor support ? And I was referring to championship, the premier is different completely or are you saying that doesn't matter or financial consideration doesn't matter either? I know lots that cannot afford £100+ to go away games, All you can blame us tan and club for the poor attendances home and away nothing else is considered .

We can go over this issue for ever and a day, but, we have to acknowledge, that that infamous Tuesday night ripped the heart out of thousands of city fans. I know a hell of a lot of fans that will not return until Tan has left.
For me, another season ticket for me next year and a few more 10,000 miles trips to get to a game from Shanghai.

Tan won't beat me, it is my club, but unfortunately for thousands of others, that Tuesday night finished them.

Travelled home this week so Wolves and Barnsley away and then back for work on Saturday.

Some honesty

But I have to say our future looks bright

The Club has been the problem with numerous bad decisions from top to bottom!

A few bad managers and styles of play to compound it has not helped.

Giving free tickets away and other offers is like after the horse has bolted!!

Thousands of people who supported the club for years have walked away. There is only so much anyone can take before they call it a day for whatever reason and thousands have.

I stopped paying for something the other month after years of subscription and within 3 days the company were contacting me. 2 yrs after I didn't renew our 4 ST the club has been silent and that's the same for thousands of others.

The Club and certain individuals have to look at themselves and there they can see the answer.

NW only recently said and quote " people within the club were pulling in different directions and I have sorted that out we are all together"

Hmmm good on you NW but it may be to late to entice those people back, time will tell.

Of course, you're preaching to the converted on here, but its a symptom of modern society that we now have a complete generation of youngsters who have grown up with wall-to-wall top level football on TV. Once the Premier League disappeared from Cardiff, so did their interest. I'm sure a lot of today's generation would rather stay in the pub watching a Premier League game on SKY on a Saturday afternoon rather than spend 3 hours on a coach each way to an away game where the team might lose. Sad, but true.

But when you look at other teams' away followings, you wonder why we can't do the same. Unfortunately, we don't have a large fanbase built up with long-term success in the top flight, like Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Villa etc. Even Bradford City managed to double their core support from their time in the Premier League, before they even reduced the cost of the season tickets. For some clubs in certain towns/cities, there is no other meaningful sporting opposition nearby. There is nothing to get remotely interested in in Derby except the football team! ( ) In Newcastle and Sunderland, the cities are full of addicted football fans. My mother (a lifelong Bluebird) used to go to Newcastle on business a lot and said that the subject of Newcastle United was discussed at some point every day, whether winter or summer, man or woman or whatever your ethnic background. The only other subject was the minority of Sunderland fans who worked there who talked about their team instead! People may dispute this, but the rugby still has an effect on us, with people choosing to have a day out at the rugby in Cardiff a few times a year over going away to watch the Bluebirds.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I fear that only a period of sustained long term success will build up the away following again. Lets hope that Neil Warnock can bring us that success again next season.

Good post but away support to me is financially based whilst in champ anyway! Spending couple hundred pounds a month is a lot in todays climate, my question is if you put ccfc in the Midlands,London, or yorks would we be debating poor away support doubt it.

Allan,

As I proved to you the other day,I don't buy it to what u say regarding our away support.

Clubs in the lowest divisions nowadays take double what we do when they travel the following distances.

Plymouth to Doncaster,Plymouth to Carlisle, Carlisle to Yeovil,Pompey to Hartlepool,Carlisle,Doncaster,Morecambe, Bristol Rover to Bury. Exeter,Plymouth,Pompey,Doncaster,Hartlepool,Carlisle etc etc all travel long distances and I have put dozens and dozens of their away supports on here.

Bolton took double the away support to Ipswich Town than we did and Bolton were bottom of the Championship than we were last season,I could go on and on and have proved it time and again.

No league clubs on Tuesday nights take away 200-400 fans long distances.

As to money,our fans paid £50 plus to go away in Prem,no one moaned.

Steve aka RV Casual was honest enough and said he can't be bothered like he use to be and has got bored etc.

You use same teams all the Time which I don't dispute as said there are exceptions! but are you honestly saying that if you stuck ccfc in mid,London or Yorkshire we would have such poor support ? And I was referring to championship, the premier is different completely or are you saying that doesn't matter or financial consideration doesn't matter either? I know lots that cannot afford £100+ to go away games, All you can blame us tan and club for the poor attendances home and away nothing else is considered .

I put out every club, come on Allan, Plymouth, Carlisle ,Exeter,Doncaster,Grimsby,Hartlepool, Bradford, Pompey, Bristol Rovers etc are all lower divisions clubs and I will tell you what I will tomorrow bring you up many more clubs, so sad you can never be honest and see the truth even though I prove it time and time again.

How many clubs do u want me to bring up and remember these are lower division clubs

I even showed Bolton going to Ipswich when Bolton were bottom of the Championship.


Allan, I am not talking about Newcastle United who wanted 10,000 tickets to come to Cardiff on a Friday night/live on tv, for what might be a nothing game.

We took 1,300 fans to Burnley(Allocation 3,000 tickets),pay on the day to win the Championship,but some on here said it was a nothing game

..... Even Bradford City managed to double their core support from their time in the Premier League, before they even reduced the cost of the season tickets. For some clubs in certain towns/cities, there is no other meaningful sporting opposition nearby. .....

Once you mentioned Bradford,there your debate is totally floored.
Bradford City had a max of two seasons in the top flight and have spent 99% of their history in the lowest divisions,you honestly can't compare them to our history and little catchment area for support

Great to debate but we must make sure we deal in facts.

Bradford is a city of over 500,000 people and a larger urban area of well over 2 million that they share with Leeds.

We have also never had a crowd much above 28,000 let alone over 33,500.

As bluebird58 says. Cardiff City suffers due to the plethora of amenities and entertainment activities that other larger cities do not have.

We have a County cricket ground that hosts international games and soon a City based team. A regional rugby team and Championship winning Ice Hockey team. Add to that the family based amenities around the bay and the city centre and you can see why the club need to fight for their fans support

Prem football negates all the other activities but without it we are playing second fiddle unlike places like Derby, Bradford, Norwich and Ipswich.

As a capital city and as Swansea residents always say, we get everything and so much more than English cities that are bigger.

..... Even Bradford City managed to double their core support from their time in the Premier League, before they even reduced the cost of the season tickets. For some clubs in certain towns/cities, there is no other meaningful sporting opposition nearby. .....

Once you mentioned Bradford,there your debate is totally floored.
Bradford City had a max of two seasons in the top flight and have spent 99% of their history in the lowest divisions,you honestly can't compare them to our history and little catchment area for support

Great to debate but we must make sure we deal in facts.

Bradford is a city of over 500,000 people and a larger urban area of well over 2 million that they share with Leeds.

We have also never had a crowd much above 28,000 let alone over 33,500.

As bluebird58 says. Cardiff City suffers due to the plethora of amenities and entertainment activities that other larger cities do not have.

We have a County cricket ground that hosts international games and soon a City based team. A regional rugby team and Championship winning Ice Hockey team. Add to that the family based amenities around the bay and the city centre and you can see why the club need to fight for their fans support

Prem football negates all the other activities but without it we are playing second fiddle unlike places like Derby, Bradford, Norwich and Ipswich.

As a capital city and as Swansea residents always say, we get everything and so much more than English cities that are bigger.

At least 35% of Bradford is Asian and 99% have no interest in Football.
Bradford is more known for its Rugby League and I lived there so I should no.
Bradford has to compete with Leeds(massive Leeds fan base in Bradford).
15 clubs with in 20 miles to compete with.
Man United/Man City 30 mins drive away.
No real success for Bradford City in 100 years,spent 80% of it in the lowest divisions.
Bradford has two football clubs Bradford Park Avenue.
Bradford has No catchment areas.

Wayne.

Cardiff Has with in 40 miles at least one million people and just the Jscks to compete with who only hold 20,000.
Rugby is not supported week in week out,only International days

The big cricket games are hardly ever played.

Funny when we were in the Premier League,sold out every home/away game and no matter how expensive and some matches tickets were like gold dust.

Facts.

Wayne, Do you not agree the last 17 years on the pitch has been some of Cardiff best years?

17 years of success for me is a long time

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Lauren Ann McNie

I'm probably going to get told to "move on" and "get over it" for saying this... but it's Tan! A lot of people fell out of love with the club over his rebrand and it's going to take more than having our blue back with a compromised badge to repair that damage... an apology from him would be a good start! You can quote figures of how much money he's put in, but a lot of fans don't care about that. Football is more than a new stadium and big name players and success. Yes, we all love it when City are winning games, but that's not the be all and end all... the fact we had bigger, more passionate crowds in the "bad times" proves that.

We can go over this issue for ever and a day, but, we have to acknowledge, that that infamous Tuesday night ripped the heart out of thousands of city fans. I know a hell of a lot of fans that will not return until Tan has left.
For me, another season ticket for me next year and a few more 10,000 miles trips to get to a game from Shanghai.

Tan won't beat me, it is my club, but unfortunately for thousands of others, that Tuesday night finished them.

Travelled home this week so Wolves and Barnsley away and then back for work on Saturday.

My honest assessment is that 'Tuesday Night' is simply a convenient excuse. It didn't affect our attendances in the Premier League and if it had never happened we would still have the same level of support now which considering everything is not bad a 15000.

The only thing that really puts bums on seats is success. If we start topping the Championship and stay there fans will flood back just as they did last time.

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Lauren Ann McNie

I'm probably going to get told to "move on" and "get over it" for saying this... but it's Tan! A lot of people fell out of love with the club over his rebrand and it's going to take more than having our blue back with a compromised badge to repair that damage... an apology from him would be a good start! You can quote figures of how much money he's put in, but a lot of fans don't care about that. Football is more than a new stadium and big name players and success. Yes, we all love it when City are winning games, but that's not the be all and end all... the fact we had bigger, more passionate crowds in the "bad times" proves that.

What a load of cobblers Tan made a huge mistake (as all of us have done at some point in our lives) but he didn't kill or physically harm anyone. He reversed that terrible decision and has looked after our club since.

You want a bad owner then go and talk to Coventry fans. In comparison we don't even register on the pissed off fan omitor. In life if you want to make a success of something then you roll up your sleeves and you get on with it.

If you want to fail then you moan groan and find excuses for failure. The above is a classic example.

Probably a combination of all the things that have already been said. Gates will increase with success, but we also have to take in to account that we are not a big club. A lot of season ticket holders during our brief spell in the PL were not hardcore Cardiff fans, and many of them only bought the tickets to watch the big name sides come down here. They will buy again if we ever return to the top, but a lot won't dream of watching us in the lower leagues or mid table in the championship. Be difficult to see much difference even if they give tickets away between now and May with nothing to play for.

We can go over this issue for ever and a day, but, we have to acknowledge, that that infamous Tuesday night ripped the heart out of thousands of city fans. I know a hell of a lot of fans that will not return until Tan has left.
For me, another season ticket for me next year and a few more 10,000 miles trips to get to a game from Shanghai.

Tan won't beat me, it is my club, but unfortunately for thousands of others, that Tuesday night finished them.

Travelled home this week so Wolves and Barnsley away and then back for work on Saturday.

That would be true if the reaction to the event you refer to had been proactive and not reactive!

That Tuesday night might have been a catalyst but it wasn't THE defining moment and there were plenty of grown men fighting to get hold of the free scarves (and some had several)

By the way, I think it's fantastic that you're travelling all that way to watch YOUR club not Tan's

Probably a combination of all the things that have already been said. Gates will increase with success, but we also have to take in to account that we are not a big club. A lot of season ticket holders during our brief spell in the PL were not hardcore Cardiff fans, and many of them only bought the tickets to watch the big name sides come down here. They will buy again if we ever return to the top, but a lot won't dream of watching us in the lower leagues or mid table in the championship. Be difficult to see much difference even if they give tickets away between now and May with nothing to play for.

Steve, a lot of truth said there

For me on the pitch we have virtually has 17 years of success, but I honestly believe what's happened off the pitch has effected our hard core fan base and split it to this day and I know hundreds who stopped going away through it and many not returned.

If Warnock is left to do the job, with his type of passion I am hoping many will return.

The crowds are what they are. There are various different reasons for all different types of fans why they no longer go. Our home attendance is 15k. Probably aboit right for us. We did average 5k more when money was ploughed in and promotion was looking good. If thay happened again we wpuld get 20k crowds.

Away support has started to how signs of increasing. I have noticed lots more youngsters these days. Wolves away was decent when you consider its a.nothing game.

To sum up we have many reasons for reduced home and away support. Cost for me is higher than anything else including anti tan people!

I disagree on city so called cheap season tickets. The huddersfield model would have got us over 20k season tickets in my opinion.

City are not as big as a club as skme of us think or thought we could or should be.

Recent atmosphere at home is good with those there wanting to be there

I think we have a core set of fans but the other "floating" fans need a reason to want to turn up, same with Wales, same with most clubs.

Fans like success, no matter what league they like to see a team going for promotion or the play offs. Can you give much of an argument for a floating fans to pay and come to our next home game? I cant really.

Also these floating fans like to see something new, how many times have we played the clubs in the championship. The Prem brought something new, new teams, new big players so yes of course the attendances increased.

I don't think its a money issue in general as like you say people can afford £55 when it suits them but you have to make people want to spend that kind of money on a game and have to want to go to the game.

Recent drop in attendances can simply go down to poor management and style of football. If Warnock gets us pushing towards the playoffs next season and prices remain reasonable I think attendances will improve.

Tan, as simple as that for many. CCFC

20 years ago {96/97} our average attendance was 3,584 it was the 20th consecutive season of below 10k average gates ,with 4 more below 10k to follow.
where have all the fans gone.? we just didnt have a big enough hard core.
the problem is not TAN ,the problem is 30 years of lack of investment in a club that was unfashionable and was synonymous with hooliganism.
as for away, when going away DIDNT include a family picnic with the dog and gran in tow our suport was good{ but hardly anyone took thousands every week }
things have changed. we are not as big as some clubs when it comes to pop and crisps trips .. big deal

..... Do you not agree the last 17 years on the pitch has been some of Cardiff best years? .....

I absolutely agree. But its not difficult when you and me had the poor performing team to support in the last 25 years of the 20th century.

My 19 year old daughter (and yours I assume) has known nothing but success.

However the fans you are talking about only appeared when we got to the Prem and it is those that disappeared after.

Die-hards will always be around as will many of those who saw our rise from the turn of the century.

You have your work cut out to draw back those who know nothing prior to January 2012. They disappear as quick as they appeared and will only appear again just before promotion.

20 years ago {96/97} our average attendance was 3,584 it was the 20th consecutive season of below 10k average gates ,with 4 more below 10k to follow.
where have all the fans gone.? we just didnt have a big enough hard core.
the problem is not TAN ,the problem is 30 years of lack of investment in a club that was unfashionable and was synonymous with hooliganism.
as for away, when going away DIDNT include a family picnic with the dog and gran in tow our suport was good{ but hardly anyone took thousands every week }
things have changed. we are not as big as some clubs when it comes to pop and crisps trips .. big deal

Mate, the problem is still here Tan

Over 45 years that I've been going down the City we've been run by crooks, people with no money, people with not enough money and some madmen !!

People still throw up the re-brand as an excuse for not watching the current team.

Let's really look at that: yes Tan did make a disastrous error in changing colour however, that decision has been reversed, we've appointed a decent manager, we're playing decent football, prices are comparable (if not better than) with most decent clubs, club finances are definitely moving in the right direction, the owner still hasn't taken any money out of the club and you can even get a decent burger in the Ninian Stand

If the club now spend some money on a few decent players in the summer then I really think these people are completely out of excuses. They may have been fans before the re-brand but I'm struggling to see how they can be described as that now. Purely my opinion but maybe we just have to forget about them (they've clearly forgotten about OUR club) and concentrate on attracting the youngsters on whom our future depends.

I know that is a simplified view but I do get concerned that we are looking too much at the missing 5,000 rather than looking to engender enthusiasm amongst the general, wider population of Cardiff and the Valleys as I really can't see that the club can do any more to attract the "veterans" back !!

I know Annis keeps on mentioning Bradford, but didn't they have huge reductions on their season tickets this year?
I know some people don't like to hear this, but one of the reasons hundreds, maybe even thousands of people from the Valleys don't go anymore is because hooliganism is dead! That was part of the day out for many, like it or not...

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Lauren Ann McNie

I'm probably going to get told to "move on" and "get over it" for saying this... but it's Tan! A lot of people fell out of love with the club over his rebrand and it's going to take more than having our blue back with a compromised badge to repair that damage... an apology from him would be a good start! You can quote figures of how much money he's put in, but a lot of fans don't care about that. Football is more than a new stadium and big name players and success. Yes, we all love it when City are winning games, but that's not the be all and end all... the fact we had bigger, more passionate crowds in the "bad times" proves that.

I'm not gonna say "move on " or "get over it" but you and all the people who think that when Tans gone all our problems will be solved are in dire need of therapy.People come and go as supporters,just about the only thing that hasn't changed in football.Things are looking up at our club.best to look forward and not harp on about what is quickly becoming ancient history.